In year 1961 the Berlin wall, one of the best known monuments of Cold War was build. Wikipedia says for example the following about it:

 

 

 

However, it was a propaganda disaster for East Germany and the Communist bloc. It became a key symbol of what Western powers regarded as Communist tyranny, particularly after the high-profile shootings of would-be defectors.

 

 

 

Ironically now "our" side is doing the same thing in Baghdad and trying to separate Shia and Sunni muslim parts with a wall. Walls aren't anything new in the middle east, you can ask about them from Israel for example. When the communist bloc created their wall, it was said to be be an image of their tyranny. Now yours should be accepted. Again the American (now talking about politicians, not the people!) hypocrisy shows us its face.

 

 

 

What does this lead to? A bigger separation of a Shia and Sunni population, more attacks against Americans and a social catastrof. This wall won't stop counter attacks, but it will spread the hatred towars their conquerors. Also the example of Israel has shown that with walls like this it has big chances to lead into a social catastrof: it cuts out ways to work places, makes drug, food and water supplies harder to deliver and causes inequality among the Iraqian people.

 

 

 

Of course the news about this haven't spread too widely at American news sites. So far found the following links:

 

BBC's small article

 

CNN

Not to forget a lot of people want to do that right here, between the US and Mexico. makes you roffle doesn't it?

Will people ever learn that it doesnt work?

Not to forget a lot of people want to do that right here, between the US and Mexico. makes you roffle doesn't it?

 

 

 

There is already a wall/fence along much of the US/Mexico border. Not to mention that much of the land on the 'US' side was technically stolen by the US from meixo during historical wars.

 

 

 

I always bring the above point up when hippy Americans accuse Israel of stealing and occupying Palestinians lands. America is doing exactly the same thing and any Americian who thinks Israel should return land to the Palestinians should also want the American occupied lands returned to Mexico.

There is already a wall/fence along much of the US/Mexico border. Not to mention that much of the land on the 'US' side was technically stolen by the US from meixo during historical wars.

 

Not really, it's just along some some of the populated areas like; like San Diego/Tijuana, Nogales, El Paso etc.

 

 

 

As to your second point, just about everyone steals land from everyone. Spain stole the area of Mexico, we stole the continent from the natives and mexicans, you guys stole the island from aboriginals. It goes on and on and it's pointless (not that it's right, but what's in the past is in the past).

Will people ever learn that it doesnt work?

 

 

 

History proves that walls are often very successful.

 

 

 

A good example is the Israeli West Bank barrier.

 

 

 

Its construction has greatly reduced the number of hostile infilitrations and suicide bombings. And because of the reduce need for Isralie military incursions it has allowed damaged buildings and streets to be rebuilt. Also in areas where the barrier has been built given much greater freedoms. The wall has also allowed the westbank economy to recover slightly.

 

 

 

The Hadrian walls constructed in Northern England allowed for a easier defensible area against fairly frequent attacks from the North. It helped keep peace in Brittian for over 300 years. So that wall certainly did work.

 

 

 

There are many examples where walls work to bring peace. Walls are great things and one of the best defensive ways to bring peace to a area.

Will people ever learn that it doesnt work?

 

 

 

History proves that walls are often very successful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are occassions when walls have worked historically but at what cost? All it serves to do is further segrate people who already share resentment & eventually there tends to be a reaction of some kind (as I'm sure there will be at some time in the West Bank). Yes if you go back hundreds of years, walls were probably the best non-military action to preserve peace but nowadays society we are alot more co-dependant on outsiders. In short I think walling great big areas is a short term fix that more often than not just covers up the long term issues & create more problems than they prevent in the long run.

 

 

 

 

 

The Hadrian walls constructed in Northern England allowed for a easier defensible area against fairly frequent attacks from the North. It helped keep peace in Brittian for over 300 years. So that wall certainly did work.

 

 

 

Lets face it, the Roman Empire was scared - bunch of wimps. :wink:

Will people ever learn that it doesnt work?

 

 

 

History proves that walls are often very successful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are occassions when walls have worked historically but at what cost? All it serves to do is further segrate people who already share resentment & eventually there tends to be a reaction of some kind (as I'm sure there will be at some time in the West Bank). Yes if you go back hundreds of years, walls were probably the best non-military action to preserve peace but nowadays society we are alot more co-dependant on outsiders. In short I think walling great big areas is a short term fix that more often than not just covers up the long term issues & create more problems than they prevent in the long run.

 

 

 

 

Basically exactly what I was going to say. The difficult thing about the Sunni Shi'ite issue is that they would have to go to and try and change the roots of thier cultures. It's almost as it's an underlying cultural loathing of each other.

The wall will help control and seperate the area adding extra security from idiots that want to blow themselves up. I think it's a good idea and I think the the majority of the Iraqi people will appreciate an effort to stop this unnecessary violence.

doesn't make much sense.. if these guys are blowing themselfs up, they should be running out of men to supply after 4 years of war :P

 

 

 

~Defender~

doesn't make much sense.. if these guys are blowing themselfs up, they should be running out of men to supply after 4 years of war :P

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

Iraq had it's first suicide attacks for many centuries after USA attacked them. Makes me think why they are now so popular...

 

 

 

edit: source http://www.chomsky.info/talks/20041013.htm

Guess they'll need two sucide bombers now; one for the wall and the other for whatever's inside. :P

ffs ignorant people it's so annoying. you guys are little teenagers who know nothing about the world, stop trying to sound smart.

 

 

 

They are building a wall so that suicide bombers cannot run into market places and just blow stuff up. Not to seperate the different muslims. It will be to make security easier, seeing as there would be controlled entrances.

 

 

 

also the idiot who commented on the Mexican wall. Why shouldn't we seperate our border? Do you really want America to be 60% mexican by 2060? now stfu and stop trying to sound smart, you aren't doing good at it.

 

 

 

ignorant teenagers are so annoying.

They are building a wall so that suicide bombers cannot run into market places and just blow stuff up. Not to seperate the different muslims. It will be to make security easier, seeing as there would be controlled entrances.

 

 

 

 

a) I'm not a teenager.

 

 

 

B) There had been no suicide bombers in Iraq since 13th century before you attacked them.

 

 

 

c) When the Soviet Union build their wall, it was a symbol of a communist tyrant. Now yours is ok?

 

 

 

d) Do you always start a discussion by calling others ignorant teenagers?

Do you really want America to be 60% mexican by 2060?

 

 

 

Whats wrong with Mexicans? As long as they enter legally, (I know you meant illegals but my point still stands) work pay taxes & contribute to society then they should stay.

 

 

 

Anyway whats the difference between Mexican jumping the border & the original white settlers?

Quite. IGotGrapes, that's not exactly a good attitude... Where I live (Vancouver, Canada), it sometimes seems there are more Asians than Caucasians. There's nothing wrong with having a high *insert citizenship here* population.

 

 

 

And really, we may be ignorant teenagers - I fall into that category - but you appear to be an immature preteen. So let's not point fingers. : )

also the idiot who commented on the Mexican wall. Why shouldn't we seperate our border? Do you really want America to be 60% mexican by 2060? now [be quiet] and stop trying to sound smart, you aren't doing good at it.

 

 

 

thanks for the LOL

They are building a wall so that suicide bombers cannot run into market places and just blow stuff up. Not to seperate the different muslims. It will be to make security easier, seeing as there would be controlled entrances.

 

 

 

 

a) I'm not a teenager.

 

 

 

B) There had been no suicide bombers in Iraq since 13th century before you attacked them.

 

 

 

c) When the Soviet Union build their wall, it was a symbol of a communist tyrant. Now yours is ok?

 

 

 

d) Do you always start a discussion by calling others ignorant teenagers?

 

a) Don't lie.

 

 

 

b)they had suicide bombers in the 13th century? you mean the 13th century, which was 2 centuries before gun powder reached the middle east? that' sinteresting.

 

 

 

c)our wall isn't to seperate a country, it's to creat checkpoints as a way to tighten security, thus saving lives.

 

 

 

d)only when they're acting like them.

 

 

 

and to the other 2 posters.

 

I have no problems w/ mexicans or any race for that matter, if they fill out paperwork and come in legally, which they can still do if we build a wall. the only thing the wall will SLOW down, as it'll never stop, is the illegal mexicans who come in and work for 2 dollars and hour.

Come on hohto, you know better than to feed the trolls. Just ignore him and he will go away. Their food is attention. Much like cats, if you give them a little food they keep coming back for more.

Cats make loveable companions, trolls make despicable enemies.

Yes, but cats also scratch you and drag in all sorts of things from outside. Trolls are fun to poke with sticks.

They're gifts, you bastard. They are gifts for the family!

It depends on the nature of the wall. If it acts like the berlin wall then yes, im against it, but if it is possible to legally cross then i think it might be of use. Still, i think this type of thing should be decided primarely by the iraqi goverment and not us.

 

 

 

As for the mexico wall, i am against illegal imigration because its...illegal, and for good reason. Their taking jobs, not paying taxes, and not speaking english makes life generally difficult for those who they are leaching off of. I am one of those who believe there should be a official language and it should be english, because without an official language chaos erupts. It should be english because the majority of the united states speak it as their first language. Anyway, back to the wall, its a foolish but noble prospect, because if you build an nine foot wall they will anwser it with ten foot ladders.

a) Don't lie.

 

 

 

Want to see a pic of my ID papers or should I challenge you to a vodka drinking webcam deathmatch? :P However I'd like to see your id papers before that, assuming you got problems even putting big capitals to places where they belong to, can't really prove or explain your points and you start a discussion by calling others with names. Is this because you're a preteen/teenager or has the schooling system failed once again there?

 

 

 

b)they had suicide bombers in the 13th century? you mean the 13th century, which was 2 centuries before gun powder reached the middle east? that' sinteresting.

 

 

 

Ok, suicide attacks like I first stated and accidentally put the word "bomb" on second line. Happy now? Anyways it doesn't change the fact that suicide attacks were not part of the Iraqian daily life before the conquerors came.

 

 

 

c)our wall isn't to seperate a country, it's to creat checkpoints as a way to tighten security, thus saving lives.

 

 

 

Thus it separates people. You can hide behind words like "checkpoint", "democracy", "freedom" and so on at this war, but it doesn't change the fact that you are just like your great enemy the Soviet Union was after and during the WW2. Again the typical yankee hypocrism: it's ok when you do it but a big crime when someone else does it.

 

 

 

d)only when they're acting like them.

 

 

How did they act then? Give me some good reasons to believe your wall is now more acceptable than theirs was. It's basically a same thing: you separate people from their own fellow country men.

 

 

 

And Indy, I like poking trolls with a stick :P They're so cute and adorable.

 

 

 

 

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