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These ads are now on the main website too. Still waiting for an official response to clear this up.

 

 

 

Agreed. Where are the Admins, Crew. Why are they avoiding this problem? Come out from hiding and admit what you have to admit.

 

 

 

You are a service, a service to us clients. You cannot survive without us, the clients. Explian your lack of control over this issue!

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Agreed. Where are the Admins, Crew. Why are they avoiding this problem? Come out from hiding and admit what you have to admit.

 

 

 

You are a service, a service to us clients. You cannot survive without us, the clients. Explian your lack of control over this issue!

 

 

 

There's nothing to admit :-s If I were you, I wouldn't be so demanding over this issue and take matters into your own hands, which you have yet to do. I do know that I explained in your thread in Off-Topic that Tip.it does not have initial control over these advertisements. It's not like we're asking for them to be here. But once we know about them, they can be blocked. So take some action and help us get rid of them by posting here.

 

 

 

Complaining about how the administrators won't "admit what they have to admit" will not get you anywhere.

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Tip.it does not have initial control over these advertisements.

 

 

 

I'm still confused here. I thought that Tip.It had control over the type of ad placed on their page, but not the content displayed it the ad itself. These advertisements are not banner ads, but rather flash ads coded into the page, and, as far as I understand, were intially placed by Tip.It itself.

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I do know that I explained in your thread in Off-Topic that Tip.it does not have initial control over these advertisements.

 

 

 

You do have initial control. You chose that provider, you choose to continue to use that provider. If you disliked the fact that they serve bad adverts you could change to another provider - plenty of places do when they realise their current provider serves bad adverts.

 

 

 

It's not like we're asking for them to be here.

 

 

 

By continuing to use an advert provider that you know consistently provides bad adverts, be they annoying, inappropriate or advertising malware, you are.

 

 

 

Must be my wonderful Apple computer with its wonderful Safari web browser, with its wonderful pop-up blocker \'<3:

 

 

 

How many mods and admins block the adverts on their own site? Why is this, because they're over-the-top annoying? "It's not good enough for us, but it's good enough for our users".

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all of sudden people seem to be so agressive.

 

 

 

I admit, some of the ads are VERY annoying, but like whineing about it helps anything at all. Like, have you seen any difference since you started complaining? No.

 

 

 

No matter how much you whine about something, it doesn't make a big difference, if the admins or wohevertheyare are busy ATM.

 

Just be patient and wait.

 

 

 

 

You do have initial control. You chose that provider, you choose to continue to use that provider.

 

 

Google pays well =o

 

 

 

 

 

BLAH!!!! at you people :?

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Google pays well.

 

 

 

Actually, I'm erfectly ahppy with the google ads, they are small, unobtrusive, and sometimes get the point across. These things, I think it's sae to say, aren't google's advertising. I mean, who associates a baseball with winning a laptop??!?! Come on, not google.

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Google pays well.

 

 

 

Actually, I'm perfectly happy with the google ads, they are small, unobtrusive, and sometimes get the point across. These things, I think it's sae to say, aren't google's advertising. I mean, who associates a baseball with winning a laptop??!?! Come on, not google.

 

 

 

In the end, these ads pay for the forum/website too :|

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but like whineing about it helps anything at all.

 

 

 

Yeah, no one should ever complain about anything that's wrong. That's the way to get things right.

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Well said Parabola.

 

 

 

Bursnet can DIAF for all I care. It's mal-ware ads incarnate and they know it and don't care.

 

 

 

Google does pay well as someone said but there are other ad agencies that pay better which is why Tip.it does not exclusively use them.

 

 

 

Parabola really hit the nail on the head though, I have told administrators for years about Burstnet and I have always been ignored (why i bolded some of ricks post). It really says something when staff tell people to get ad blockers instead of simply stopping displaying malware ads.

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You are a service, a service to us clients. You cannot survive without us, the clients. Explian your lack of control over this issue!

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but that ego of your's needs to be crushed.

 

 

 

Tip.It voluntarily runs these servers for your benefit, not the other way around. If the users left, that means the crew doesn't have to deal with whining idiots. No more work, no more stress, no more paying for servers. I'm sure more than a few wouldn't think twice about it if that happened.

 

 

 

Until you actively start paying Tip.It for their services, they don't owe you anything. Even if they actively ignored you, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it because you are using their servers and bandwidth.

 

 

 

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Flash ads suck. Period. Regardless whether they're from BurstNet, Doubleclick or some 16 year olds basement server. BurstNet, DoubleClick and related crap ad peddlers will remain blocked on every machine I touch because of all the issues they cause.

 

 

 

Depending on the rates agencies pay, Tip.It could most likely downgrade the ads and still keep up their current revenue by inserting another simple ad or 2 mid page that are seen while scrolling threw a thread. Many other forums do this to help with exposure and do fairly well with it. Yes the 12 year olds around here would kick and scream but it would do away with these damn annoying flash ads.

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I'm sorry that there are so many problems with advertising. We are doing everything possible to remove them as soon as they get reported but it still requires a lot of time. Even if it is reported when you see it the first time, there is a 24 - 48 hour delay to get them removed from the rotation, plus the time that we need to check it out, find out which one it is, etc.

 

 

 

Every day we have 10 to 20 new advertisements and some days 100 new ones. Some have a duration of only 2 days, some are shown only in one region, state or even city so we cannot see them all and many times we spend HOURS to get an ad removed that is not even being shown any more, etc.

 

 

 

But as rule we remove all Pop ups (advertising in front of page) ASAP! On Tip.It we try to show only embedded advertising on 2 banner spaces up and left and 2 pop under page in the course of 24 hours, with a minimum of 6 hours between them!

 

 

 

The ad delivery programs for our suppliers are changing, so it's possible that we cannot catch all until (hopefully) a new automatic filtering system will be set.

 

 

 

Unfortunately people using Pop up blockers instead of reporting a bad advertisement is creating a huge problem. Only 0.01% !!! of all banners are visited and we have to cover all expenses from that :( and it is not even possible all the time!

 

 

 

We are trying our best, and the best way to help us is to report ASAP whatever you don't like, and visit at least some banners that are decent and nonaggressive and somewhat interesting.

 

 

 

This is not a small home held site it is multiple servers and a ton of bandwith we have to support. Monthly costs are in the range of thousands of dollars and the only way to make it as free as is possible is to put these banners on pages :(

 

 

 

Remember if you like a site, any web site, probably the best way to at least help it somewhat is to visit one or two of its banners a day, even if they are not exactly what you always dreamed of. ;)

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Unfortunatly exatly people using Pop up blockers in place to report a bad advertising is creating a huge problem that only 0.01% !!! of all banners are visited and we have to cover all expenses from that :( and it is not even possible at all time!

 

 

 

Use non-intrusive adverts that aren't annoying, inappropriate or pushing malware and people will be less inclined to block them.

 

 

 

Would you care to address my points about the supplier you choose to use? After so many problems with bad adverts why aren't you using a different provider? Why do you think it's okay to stay with a provider that consistently provides bad adverts, be they annoying, intrusive, pornographic or malware-pushing?

 

 

 

You make out as though the current provider is a huge effort for YOU to continue to use - having to spend ages making sure certain adverts aren't shown etc., so why not use a different one and make everyone happy?

 

 

 

It seems like you didn't look at any of my or Mercifull's comments (ironic, since that's exactly what he's said has been done in the past).

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Parabola

 

 

 

I can't answer all the above issues and questions but can tell you from a rough memory i have, we have looked into other advertising and if i remember correctly, problems arise from using other ad companies because of the size of this site and hits we get from users.

 

 

 

The current ads *yes* is a strain on Silverion and we do look at other ad companies on a regular basis to see what deals we could or maybe able to do with them but currently we havent found one where it would be a worst risk to use. As Silverion has said i think, we have multi deciated servers which do cost alot! and atm we can not aford to down grade, if it was possible , we would.

 

 

 

Sometimes , well most of the time we only get about 3 or 4 bad ones in a week or two to be removed, meanning those pop ups one or some that i wouldnt like kids to see or possible those that give mailware (but they are very few really compared to the amount of ads we have on a daily basis.

 

 

 

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then the ads go crazy once in a while and we have a few more than average complaints, they are dealt with asap. I know alot of fansites not just runescape related that have all ads on their site! and dont even bother to killed those naughty ads off.

 

 

 

As to Mercifull comments and i know he/she will take offence to this because i said it ;) they do not know the problems we have to deal with to keep this site alive and the problems we have actually getting deals with new companies cause of our size as well as we do not want adult content ads on this site etc. Theres alot more to it than most understand.

 

 

 

BTW hiya Mercifull :P ;)

 

 

 

If the time comes to when we actually get a good enough deal with ad company where we can changed for the better, then it will happen.

 

 

 

We do have currently a few more staff here to control adverts on site , as in they can remove them when reported, but also the problem we get as silverion sais , we all don't get the same adverts and when a user reports them, sometimes , well most times they do not give us enough information on the ad to locate it , to kill it off. So this sometimes takes time.

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Use non-intrusive adverts that aren't annoying, inappropriate or pushing malware and people will be less inclined to block them.

 

 

 

Would you care to address my points about the supplier you choose to use? After so many problems with bad adverts why aren't you using a different provider? Why do you think it's okay to stay with a provider that consistently provides bad adverts, be they annoying, intrusive, pornographic or malware-pushing?

 

 

 

 

We eliminated over 6 publishers/adv companies and If you check around professional reviews this which we use now are very well respected for quality, there is no porno/tabaco/guns/alcohol and never was on any of our advertisers at most there was dating sites that can disturb someone, but they are not in any exemption category.

 

 

 

We eliminate all flash/blinking etc things but as i say we cannot check all of them i see probably 15%, because of geotargeting, of what we are showing.

 

 

 

Strange but less intrusive thing like google end to create a lot of problms as everyone can "target" us and show all this gold sellers and they change URL of site once a day to evade our bans so basically you pass all day running and banning its urls.

 

 

 

Also many times one of this advertising companies sell its inventory (contracts they made) to others as they alone cannot cover quantity or like that so you finish with one delivering content with address of other etc.

 

 

 

We try at best mode possible to select ones that offer less intrusive adds that still can cover our expenses, it is not a simple thing to do as many "new" companies try to offer great deals and after 3 months you expect a paycheck and they bankrupt with all "earned" money.

 

 

 

Btw in most cases people reporting bad advertising on our site in end was infected by some kind of browser hijack or malaware, unfortunately this in most cases is found only after hours of looking for "bad" adv to find it is not even in our rotation but come by other ways.

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I was really more concerned about the half page ads that pop up and scroll with you. I'm not sure that you addressed them in your post, but as I said earlier, and as was stated mostly throught the tread, they are kind of annoying, obtrusive, and generally make the overall quality of the site downgraded when it is full of ads.

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*fluffles* Lightning :D. things have changed a little since the last time we spoke about ads. Gone are the days of my sites getting a half dozen hits a day lol and I do now know the problems that arise from running large websites. The Battlestar Wiki is by far nowhere near the size of tipit (approx 30,000 views a day) but we still have had the same kinds of problems with bad adverts in the past. Its painful to sort out but its not as complicated as you make out.

 

 

 

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We are now using the ad provider Adbrite. They allow you to white list only the ads you want rather than having to blacklist the bad ones. Every few days you just have to approve/deny the text, banner and flash ads that you want. You can also deny any 3rd party advertisements (which tend to be the malware ones). Basicly not a single ad will show unless you specifically approve it. The problem with Google is that you don't have a choice when someone wants to advertise on your site and you end up advertising competitors or sites that go against the rules such as gold sellers. On Adbrite you would just deny this request and the advert would not appear.

 

 

 

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Perhaps it would be worth just giving them a trial run? Maybe only on the front page for a month, for example, just to see how you get on with them.

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I was really more concerned about the half page ads that pop up and scroll with you. I'm not sure that you addressed them in your post, but as I said earlier, and as was stated mostly throught the tread, they are kind of annoying, obtrusive, and generally make the overall quality of the site downgraded when it is full of ads.

 

 

 

ONLY adds we show are uper banner (leaderboard), right side banner (skycreaper) and 1 popunder every 6 hours (2 in 24 hours) ( window opened UNDER your browser window).

 

 

 

If you se anything else that disturb you please to report it and we will try to remove it ASAP ( ASAP mean from 1 or 5 days depend on advertiser because of technical times to find it and remove it from rotation)

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*Checks the surrounding caves and brush for hiding administrators* (Oh wait, I like in a city, whoops)

 

 

 

(And if the problem is that you are strapped for cash, at least make the paypal donate button in a language that someone other than Viktor and Silverion can undersnd)

 

 

 

Yes I agree why is the paypal link in some weird language.

 

 

 

Well said Parabola.

 

 

 

Bursnet can DIAF for all I care. It's mal-ware ads incarnate and they know it and don't care.

 

 

 

Google does pay well as someone said but there are other ad agencies that pay better which is why Tip.it does not exclusively use them.

 

 

 

Parabola really hit the nail on the head though, I have told administrators for years about Burstnet and I have always been ignored (why i bolded some of ricks post). It really says something when staff tell people to get ad blockers instead of simply stopping displaying malware ads.

 

 

 

Why must you display adds from Burstnet, I must also comment that they contain Malware or Trojans.

 

 

 

I was really more concerned about the half page ads that pop up and scroll with you. I'm not sure that you addressed them in your post, but as I said earlier, and as was stated mostly throught the tread, they are kind of annoying, obtrusive, and generally make the overall quality of the site downgraded when it is full of ads.

 

 

 

ONLY adds we show are uper banner (leaderboard), right side banner (skycreaper) and 1 popunder every 6 hours (2 in 24 hours) ( window opened UNDER your browser window).

 

 

 

If you se anything else that disturb you please to report it and we will try to remove it ASAP ( ASAP mean from 1 or 5 days depend on advertiser because of technical times to find it and remove it from rotation)

 

 

 

Actually no the pop ups I receive show in front of the current browser window.

 

 

 

And I agree with Mercifull please try Adbrite it is a more trustworthy advertiser.

 

 

 

Tip.it has chosen Google as our advertisement provider. So basically, Tip.it decides, "Okay, we'll have advertisements in this spot here." Then Google searches for other sites that relate to our website and advertise them for us. So we do not exactly pick what advertisements you see. Up front, we cannot instantaneously block any and all advertisements that are advertising sites selling Runescape gold - that's not how it works. But we have staff members who spend a lot of time blocking 'bad advertisements' including the ones that are for websites that sell Runescape-gold. Once you report the bad ads here, they can be blocked if you fill out the information we need.

 

 

 

There's a big difference between a fansite who who says this on their homepage: "Thanks for coming to our website! I would also recommend that you visit and buy some gold!" ..and a website that has Google advertisements that select those advertisements for them. But we strive to stop it by having staff members who block those advertisements for us. So yes, we are certainly taking action against this :)

 

 

 

I would like to see more staff created for this purpose as this really concerns me that I can find any links on Tip.It that go to RS god selling sites, has Tip.it considered advertising solutions other than Google. Adbrite is a good alternative.

 

 

 

Once again we need more staff to combat these bad adds if we are going to continue to use Google for our advertising.

 

 

 

And one more thing does Tip.it have any official statement about there stance on adds selling RS gold after the update and how they plan to COMPLETELY AND FULLY REMOVE THEM?

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And one more thing does Tip.it have any official statement about there stance on adds selling RS gold after the update and how they plan to COMPLETELY AND FULLY REMOVE THEM?

 

 

 

I'm getting tired of explaining this to people on IRC too.

 

 

 

If people haven't noticed already, Tip.It actively removes said ads from their rotation as they are found (as poorly as it works, they do remove them). The Jagex threats are pointed toward the sites that advertise these things 24/7 without doing a damn thing about them. Those are the sites propagating the issue. Tip.It already actively removes them to the best of their abilities and you can safely bet Tip.It won't be on Jagex's bad side for actively remove the ads from the site.

 

 

 

People need to stop fear mongering and get a clue.

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And one more thing does Tip.it have any official statement about there stance on adds selling RS gold after the update and how they plan to COMPLETELY AND FULLY REMOVE THEM?

 

 

 

I'm getting tired of explaining this to people on IRC too.

 

 

 

If people haven't noticed already, Tip.It actively removes said ads from their rotation as they are found (as poorly as it works, they do remove them). The Jagex threats are pointed toward the sites that advertise these things 24/7 without doing a damn thing about them. Those are the sites propagating the issue. Tip.It already actively removes them to the best of their abilities and you can safely bet Tip.It won't be on Jagex's bad side for actively remove the ads from the site.

 

 

 

People need to stop fear mongering and get a clue.

 

 

 

This is awful, as poorly as it works, if its broken fix it, Google is not the only good paying internet advertiser out there and I have already made my suggestion if something is working "poorly" then it is not working to the standards I would hope Tip.It would hold themselves to. And as you said they are against Jagex rules not illegal which is what people are posting.

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This is awful, as poorly as it works, if its broken fix it, Google is not the only good paying internet advertiser out there and I have already made my suggestion if something is working "poorly" then it is not working to the standards I would hope Tip.It would hold themselves to. And as you said they are against Jagex rules not illegal which is what people are posting.

 

 

 

Stop me if I'm wrong, but I think Cruiser may be referring to what Silverion said earlier:

 

 

 

they change URL of site once a day to evade our bans so basically you pass all day running and banning its urls.

 

 

 

What that means is that the ad of a gold-selling site will be blocked, but then they will change their URL, making the initial block seem almost pointless, since the ad with the new URL has to be blocked all over again. That's not something that can just be fixed in a heartbeat.

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This thread just kind of got out of hand. Let me remind some people:

 

 

 

a) This is a discussion for the annoying flash adverts that pop up on the page (see pictures in first post)

 

 

 

B) This is not a discussion about google adSense advertising on this site, and their "gold selling" ads

 

 

 

c) Pease do not pressure the administrators and staff for a response, they are busy enough as it is, and have already tried to clear this up

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