Age Discrimination

[warren211]

 

I lied that I'm 28 on Yahoo Answers, and the same on several other forums. I am truly 16, but on there no one's noticed, and they take me more seriously. I've also lied a plethora of times about my location, where I was born, etc. Just look at my location now, I don't live there, but only people who knew I didn't would even notice.

 

 

 

How do we know your not lying now? you could be a 3 year old with a huge vocabulary! :shock:

 

 

 

*On topic* I look a lot older than I really am (13). I'm discriminated for being older than I look. I can easily pass as a 16 year old. Boy, you should have seen the look on the face of the girl at 6 flags a year ago when I honestly said i was 12 and she thought i was trying to get cheaper tickets!

[scn64]

Technically, you're not even supposed to be on these forums if you're under 13.

[warri0r45]

Yes because teenagers are really well known for their clarity of thought =D> :roll:

 

If you were referring to the "older, more experienced people" comment, I wasn't referring to myself or teenagers. I was referring to adults.

 

 

 

In fact, I'd say that I'm in the "kids" category currently, as my life experience is minimal as well.

 

 

 

So, thank you for the: " :roll: ", I appreciated it.

 

 

 

The vast majority of people on this forum are teenagers which you know full well.

 

 

 

Kids' opinions are of little value when compared to those of older, more experienced people

 

 

 

According to your argument teenagers are more experienced in life meaning they apparently have a superior opinion. This is wrong because my argument is that teenagers are actually going through puberty which is messing with their hormones, and frame of mind, meaning that a 12 year olds opinion is actually more reliable as they aren't undergoing a serious amount of change. They have views and tend to stick to them.

 

 

 

*Early teens. As far as I can tell, 18, 19 and even 17 year olds have no where near what you would call 'impared judgement' due to hormones. I'm happy to see any scientific studies you can come up with for your case, though.

[Errdoth]

Technically, you're not even supposed to be on these forums if you're under 13.

 

 

 

Technically...yes. :-$

 

(My parents are fine with it though, so, meh.)

[purpieman2]

Well Lie about your age then is all i can say...

 

you can certainly pull off a mature 20+ year old...and if people wont listen to you and what you have to say...like you said when they find out it all goes downhill...then that means they are inmature...so yea take it as a compliment...that you are more mature then some 20+ year old person.

 

You'll have to act like you're that age and sometimes thats not easy to keep at that

[Errdoth]

^I'm not sure what you are getting at. Are you going to combat that, restate it for truth, what?

[rocketman089]

I definatly have prejudiced to people that are 11-13 that post on these forums. Mainly because I think back to how stupid i was when i was that young. If you're tired of "age discrimination", then don't act your age

[purpieman2]

^I'm not sure what you are getting at. Are you going to combat that, restate it for truth, what?

 

Im saying you shouldnt tell your age at all and if you are going to lie and can keep it up, i guess you should go for it

[The Dark Lord]

Never happened to me that I can remember. I'm usually the kind that people automatically trust. Meh.

 

 

 

Yeah, it does suck. Some adults are idiots and believe that the Constitution says that juveniles have no rights whatsoever because they live under their 'father's roof'. I told my dad he was being a dumb [wagon] when he said that. lol

 

 

 

Then again my dad can be the sexist [wagon] and know nothing and then force his beliefs on others. =\

[Sumpta]

I believe it really just depends. There are 12-year-olds out there who think more thoroughly about things than a 35-year-old. It's just that vice versa seems to happen more often...

 

 

 

Life experience could be a measure indeed, but don't assume 12-year-olds can't have quite a bit of that. I know a girl of 12 whose father died a year ago. In her short life, she has seen her parents divorce, her father get ill and die. She's very clever, she thinks a lot about life and she's quite a bit more mature than many 16-year-olds who only worry about getting dates and consuming alcohol.

 

 

 

Young teenagers can still focus on the world outside them. Hormonal teenagers have a way of looking at the world only from their own perspectives. And adults can be so jaded. They have a way of thinking they know it all anyway. Of course, these are all just generalisations, it all just depends on your character I guess...

[Striker6]

Yes because teenagers are really well known for their clarity of thought =D> :roll:

 

If you were referring to the "older, more experienced people" comment, I wasn't referring to myself or teenagers. I was referring to adults.

 

 

 

In fact, I'd say that I'm in the "kids" category currently, as my life experience is minimal as well.

 

 

 

So, thank you for the: " :roll: ", I appreciated it.

 

 

 

The vast majority of people on this forum are teenagers which you know full well.

 

 

 

Kids' opinions are of little value when compared to those of older, more experienced people

 

 

 

According to your argument teenagers are more experienced in life meaning they apparently have a superior opinion. This is wrong because my argument is that teenagers are actually going through puberty which is messing with their hormones, and frame of mind, meaning that a 12 year olds opinion is actually more reliable as they aren't undergoing a serious amount of change. They have views and tend to stick to them.

 

 

 

*Early teens. As far as I can tell, 18, 19 and even 17 year olds have no where near what you would call 'impared judgement' due to hormones. I'm happy to see any scientific studies you can come up with for your case, though.

 

 

 

You need evidence to tell you that teenagers hormones clearly effect the way they think? I thought that was obvious.

[warri0r45]

Yes because teenagers are really well known for their clarity of thought =D> :roll:

 

If you were referring to the "older, more experienced people" comment, I wasn't referring to myself or teenagers. I was referring to adults.

 

 

 

In fact, I'd say that I'm in the "kids" category currently, as my life experience is minimal as well.

 

 

 

So, thank you for the: " :roll: ", I appreciated it.

 

 

 

The vast majority of people on this forum are teenagers which you know full well.

 

 

 

Kids' opinions are of little value when compared to those of older, more experienced people

 

 

 

According to your argument teenagers are more experienced in life meaning they apparently have a superior opinion. This is wrong because my argument is that teenagers are actually going through puberty which is messing with their hormones, and frame of mind, meaning that a 12 year olds opinion is actually more reliable as they aren't undergoing a serious amount of change. They have views and tend to stick to them.

 

 

 

*Early teens. As far as I can tell, 18, 19 and even 17 year olds have no where near what you would call 'impared judgement' due to hormones. I'm happy to see any scientific studies you can come up with for your case, though.

 

 

 

You need evidence to tell you that teenagers hormones clearly effect the way they think? I thought that was obvious.

 

 

 

For young teens, yes. For late teens I honestly don't think so going from my own experience. Seeing as my own experience isn't the greatest scientific source, I invited you to prove me wrong.

[darkforaster]

Age is just how many years or months you have spent living. Sure the longer you live the more experience you get. But this is not neccessarily true. People experience things at different rates. Some people know the conclusion of thier actions early on, some people travel around more than others early on.

 

 

 

But even if thier experience is not as high as others. there judgement can still be respectful.There opinions matter as much as any one else's opinion.Neither you, nor I are superier to each other. We may have the illusion that we are. But we're not. if your royalty or some form of duke. Then yes you are probably superier. But you certainly don't act like it.

 

 

 

So you are equal to all these kids. The only diference is that your smarter and COULD be more expierenced. Nothing else. That is not enougth to make you superier. Kids have more imaginative ideas when there young. They are btter than you in some subjects. Just get used to it.

 

 

 

My post was not that long :roll:

 

Do you value the surgeons opinion in a medical case, or a hobo's? Now, would you say their opinions are equal? Or would you say that the opinion of the surgeon is superior?

 

 

 

Oh, and in case you were wondering, this is not a matter of which being is superior, but which person's opinion is superior/more valuable.

 

 

 

Kids' opinions are of little value when compared to those of older, more experienced people (in matters not pertaining to the kids themselves, of course, i.e. a study on what kids like for a marketing company). Get used to it.

 

 

 

A superior opinion in made by a superier person am I correct? The hobo's and the medical surgeons opinions are the same. But are less knowledgeful of certain things.

 

 

 

For example, a surgeon would know more on medical operations than a hobo. But a hobo would know other things that he knows more about than the surgeon. the opinions are equal. They just might not be correct.

 

 

 

But a child's opinion might actually be more correct than an adults opinion. meaning it is a valuable opinion to know about. E.g someone posts about the sun. And how dangerous it is. A man and a child both want to post. The child knows more, however, about space. But he cannot participate because he is "Too young." A valuable opinion lost due to age discrimination.

 

 

 

and alas, I say agian. That experience does not neccessarily depend on age. there will be younger more experienced ones than some older ones. It's just at what rate we experience. And kids may have expierence a lot because of the experience rate.

 

 

 

Kids are equal to all. You just think your above them because you've lived longer. But age is irrelevant to maturity. And should not have an effect on equality. Kids are equal to adults. Get used to it.

[Led-Zeppelin]

Mate, these forums are King of age discrimination it clearly states upon sign up if you are 13 years or younger, bugger off. :lol:

[Rebdragon]

A superior opinion in made by a superier person am I correct?

 

Stop right there. That is a complete non sequiter dude. Unless you can explain to me how you jumped to that conclusion, don't use that statement as a base of your opinions in this debate.

 

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People are all equal, but their opinions can have more bearing than other's on both specific and general matters.

 

 

 

The surgeon is not "superior" to the hobo. The surgeon's medical opinions, on the other hand, are in fact superior to the hobo's medical opinions.

 

 

 

The hobo's and the medical surgeons opinions are the same. But are less knowledgeful of certain things.

 

 

 

For example, a surgeon would know more on medical operations than a hobo. But a hobo would know other things that he knows more about than the surgeon. the opinions are equal. They just might not be correct.

 

I'd put $50 on that in 98+% of cases, the surgeon's opinion would be of more value than the hobo's.

 

 

 

But a child's opinion might actually be more correct than an adults opinion. meaning it is a valuable opinion to know about. E.g someone posts about the sun. And how dangerous it is. A man and a child both want to post. The child knows more, however, about space. But he cannot participate because he is "Too young." A valuable opinion lost due to age discrimination.

 

One: How can someone be told not to participate because they're "too young"?

 

 

 

Two: In that case, if the child really does know more about the sun than the adult (a rare case when you get into actual particulars about the sun, e.g. it's compostion), than in that specific scenario the child's opinion is superior.

 

 

 

and alas, I say agian. That experience does not neccessarily depend on age. there will be younger more experienced ones than some older ones. It's just at what rate we experience. And kids may have expierence a lot because of the experience rate.

 

Honestly, how many children do you know that have more experience than adults? Now, what about vice-versa?

 

 

 

Generally speaking (but not always, I can't speak in absolutes of course) adults are more experienced in life, and thus have superior opinions about life.

 

 

 

Kids are equal to all. You just think your above them because you've lived longer. But age is irrelevant to maturity. And should not have an effect on equality. Kids are equal to adults. Get used to it.

 

Generally speaking, the odds of me being correct about a matter are higher than a child's.

 

 

 

Nonethless, nowhere did I say that people are not equal. Their opinions may not be equal, but they as human beings are and will always be of equal value. So stop throwing words in my mouth.

 

 

 

Oh, and quick poll: Who here agrees with him that "age is irrelevant to maturity"?

[warri0r45]

A superior opinion in made by a superier person am I correct?

 

Stop right there. That is a complete non sequiter dude. Unless you can explain to me how you jumped to that conclusion, don't use that statement as a base of your opinions in this debate.

 

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People are all equal, but their opinions can have more bearing than other's on both specific and general matters.

 

 

 

The surgeon is not "superior" to the hobo. The surgeon's medical opinions, on the other hand, are in fact superior to the hobo's medical opinions.

 

 

 

The hobo's and the medical surgeons opinions are the same. But are less knowledgeful of certain things.

 

 

 

For example, a surgeon would know more on medical operations than a hobo. But a hobo would know other things that he knows more about than the surgeon. the opinions are equal. They just might not be correct.

 

I'd put $50 on that in 98+% of cases, the surgeon's opinion would be of more value than the hobo's.

 

 

 

But a child's opinion might actually be more correct than an adults opinion. meaning it is a valuable opinion to know about. E.g someone posts about the sun. And how dangerous it is. A man and a child both want to post. The child knows more, however, about space. But he cannot participate because he is "Too young." A valuable opinion lost due to age discrimination.

 

One: How can someone be told not to participate because they're "too young"?

 

 

 

Two: In that case, if the child really does know more about the sun than the adult (a rare case when you get into actual particulars about the sun, e.g. it's compostion), than in that specific scenario the child's opinion is superior.

 

 

 

and alas, I say agian. That experience does not neccessarily depend on age. there will be younger more experienced ones than some older ones. It's just at what rate we experience. And kids may have expierence a lot because of the experience rate.

 

Honestly, how many children do you know that have more experience than adults? Now, what about vice-versa?

 

 

 

Generally speaking (but not always, I can't speak in absolutes of course) adults are more experienced in life, and thus have superior opinions about life.

 

 

 

Kids are equal to all. You just think your above them because you've lived longer. But age is irrelevant to maturity. And should not have an effect on equality. Kids are equal to adults. Get used to it.

 

Generally speaking, the odds of me being correct about a matter are higher than a child's.

 

 

 

Nonethless, nowhere did I say that people are not equal. Their opinions may not be equal, but they as human beings are and will always be of equal value. So stop throwing words in my mouth.

 

 

 

Oh, and quick poll: Who here agrees with him that "age is irrelevant to maturity"?

 

 

 

I'd tend to agree with you in this debate, reb. And age is... of course relevant to maturity. That's a wierd thing to say. :lol:

[darkforaster]

 

Stop right there. That is a complete non sequiter dude. Unless you can explain to me how you jumped to that conclusion, don't use that statement as a base of your opinions in this debate.

 

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People are all equal, but their opinions can have more bearing than other's on both specific and general matters.

 

 

 

That's what I said. opinions have greater value on different matters.

 

 

 

The surgeon is not "superior" to the hobo. The surgeon's medical opinions, on the other hand, are in fact superior to the hobo's medical opinions.

 

 

 

yes the medical opinions. other opinions would be of less value.

 

 

 

I'd put $50 on that in 98+% of cases, the surgeon's opinion would be of more value than the hobo's.

 

 

 

I suppose I would too....

 

 

 

One: How can someone be told not to participate because they're "too young"?

 

 

 

Two: In that case, if the child really does know more about the sun than the adult (a rare case when you get into actual particulars about the sun, e.g. it's compostion), than in that specific scenario the child's opinion is superior.

 

 

 

One: Oh My Goodness! If your 12 and want to play rs, your TOLD not to play or PARTICIPATE. Deary me.

 

 

 

Two: but how on earth do you know if the child's opinion is superier if you don't give that child a chance to say something? Besides if he goes "The surface of the sun is 5315 centigrade." and an adult goes "the surface of the sun is ten thousand centigrade." If you knew nothing of the matter you would go for the adult's opinion. Making it superier immeadiately. However, the child was correct. (according to wikipedia that is...)

 

 

 

Generally speaking (but not always, I can't speak in absolutes of course) adults are more experienced in life, and thus have superior opinions about life.

 

 

 

That's what I said. I said about how children CAN have experience more. I never said all experienced more. Can you make your mind up please?

 

 

 

Generally speaking, the odds of me being correct about a matter are higher than a child's.

 

 

 

Nonethless, nowhere did I say that people are not equal. Their opinions may not be equal, but they as human beings are and will always be of equal value. So stop throwing words in my mouth.

 

 

 

You might as well say they are not as equal. As an opinion is pretty much the thoughts of a person. Those thoughts mean nothing? That person should not exist. Thier very personality is taken away from them. The things that make them humane.

 

 

 

Oh, and quick poll: Who here agrees with him that "age is irrelevant to maturity"?

 

 

 

I do.

[Led-Zeppelin]

What the hell. Of course age has everything to do with maturity. You're saying a two year old is just as mature as a 30 year old? Woo-hoo?

[warri0r45]

What the hell. Of course age has everything to do with maturity. You're saying a two year old is just as mature as a 30 year old? Woo-hoo?

 

 

 

I'm with this bloke. Explain why, darkforaster. And what you replied to Reb will annoy him, I'm sure, but it also annoys me. He didn't say that people aren't equal - only that sometimes thier opinions aren't. Opinions can be wrong, right or varying degrees in between and thus can be unequal. If you're instinct is to jump to a conclusion that opinion = a person, then you'd be sorely mistaken. Opinions change; they aren't who we are. Human rights tell us we are all of equal value and should be treated equally. Facts and people's ability to get them wrong tell us that opinions on a topic can be unequal.

[darkforaster]

What the hell. Of course age has everything to do with maturity. You're saying a two year old is just as mature as a 30 year old? Woo-hoo?

 

 

 

I'm with this bloke. Explain why, darkforaster. And what you replied to Reb will annoy him, I'm sure, but it also annoys me. He didn't say that people aren't equal - only that sometimes thier opinions aren't. Opinions can be wrong, right or varying degrees in between and thus can be unequal. If you're instinct is to jump to a conclusion that opinion = a person, then you'd be sorely mistaken. Opinions change; they aren't who we are. Human rights tell us we are all of equal value and should be treated equally. Facts and people's ability to get them wrong tell us that opinions on a topic can be unequal.

 

 

 

*Sighs* neither of us are getting anywhere.

 

 

 

meh this will be my last post in a while. So don't bother replying.

 

 

 

what i meant by age doesn't determine maturity is the fact that adults, like children can be immature. therefore. Just because someone is older. does not mean that they are more mature. in Fact. At my school. The year 9's are the least mature, while the year 7's are the most mature. more proof that age is not a factor.

 

 

 

(there are about 200 pupils in each year.)

[Rebdragon]

I'd like to start off by saying that I'm sorry if it seemed like I spoke in an absolute about kid's having opinions of less value. My point was that 99% of the time the adult is going to have the more trustworthy opinion, and I simply forgot to put the world "generally" in my point.

 

 

 

Kids in rare cases or child-based subjects can have opinions of higher value than an adult (again, marketing research by asking kid's opinions on products), but in most scenario's anyone with half a brain would be inclined to believe the adult.

 

That's what I said. opinions have greater value on different matters.

 

Yes, and then you went on to say that higher opinion=superior person. I never said that, you just assumed it randomly.

 

 

 

Don't avoid the issue dude; I'd like to debate with straight up answers please. If you think you were wrong about saying higher opinion=superior person, admit it and move on. If you think you were right, defend your argument. I'm just curious (in no way condescendingly), why do you believe that a higher opinion automatically makes a person be of higher value as a human being?

 

 

 

yes the medical opinions. other opinions would be of less value.

 

And.... let's see your next response.

 

 

 

I'd put $50 on that in 98+% of cases, the surgeon's opinion would be of more value than the hobo's.

 

I suppose I would too....

 

Contradiction party :-k :thumbsup: .

 

 

 

One: Oh My Goodness! If your 12 and want to play rs, your TOLD not to play or PARTICIPATE. Deary me.

 

That's not a maturity thing. That's a OMG-Jagex-no-want-get-sued! thing.

 

 

 

Two: but how on earth do you know if the child's opinion is superier if you don't give that child a chance to say something? Besides if he goes "The surface of the sun is 5315 centigrade." and an adult goes "the surface of the sun is ten thousand centigrade." If you knew nothing of the matter you would go for the adult's opinion. Making it superier immeadiately. However, the child was correct. (according to wikipedia that is...)

 

There you go, another anomaly (though, if the child seemed definite in their opinion and the adult didn't, I may go with the child on that one). 99 times out of 100 though, the adult's guna be the one with more knowledge about the subject.

 

 

 

Now, age isn't the only factor. Say, the child just did a project on the sun (which is the only possible way that kid'd even be able to retain that figure...). Unless the adult was an astronomer or a fairly knowledgable person, I wouldn't be surprised if I was inclined to go with the child's opinion.

 

 

 

That's what I said. I said about how children CAN have experience more. I never said all experienced more. Can you make your mind up please?

 

See my last point (below).

 

 

 

The insults are cute by the way, but they're getting old.

 

 

 

You might as well say they are not as equal. As an opinion is pretty much the thoughts of a person. Those thoughts mean nothing? That person should not exist. Thier very personality is taken away from them. The things that make them humane.

 

"I mightaswell", but I won't, because people are equal no matter what they're opinions are. Stop jumping to conclusions and thinking that I'm saying things that I'm not. It's like you're arguing with yourself here.

 

 

 

They're thoughts don't mean "nothing", they're just less likely to be correct when compared to that of someone with more experience with the subject at hand. Again, stop jumping to conclusions.

 

 

 

Oh, and quick poll: Who here agrees with him that "age is irrelevant to maturity"?

 

 

 

I do.

 

See below.

 

 

 

what i meant by age doesn't determine maturity is the fact that adults, like children can be immature. therefore. Just because someone is older. does not mean that they are more mature. in Fact. At my school. The year 9's are the least mature, while the year 7's are the most mature. more proof that age is not a factor.

 

 

 

(there are about 200 pupils in each year.)

 

Hell yes it's a factor.

 

 

 

You're argument succeeds in informing us that it isn't the only factor, for everything we experience in life is technically a factor in regards to maturity. Nonetheless, lifespan is by far the strongest factor when comparing the maturity of peoples. What you are giving us to "disprove" this fact are mere rare anomalies where certain aspects of peoples' lives have caused them to mature faster, that's all.

 

 

 

Again, if I may reiterate: Age/lifespan are not the only factor when it comes to maturity, but it is by far the strongest factor.

 

 

 

meh this will be my last post in a while. So don't bother replying.

 

"Don't bother replying" :-s ?

[Ashlyn_Hart]

To get back on topic, here.

 

 

 

What about reverse age discrimination? All you've been discussing is the younger people in game...

 

 

 

Us older people (I'm 36, btw) are also discriminated against once people find out how old we are.

 

 

 

Sure, you say, well, then, don't tell them, you say. Normally, I don't. I keep my fingers off my keyboard and keep quiet. But sometimes you forget and blurt out your age. I have been flamed just for stating my age.

 

 

 

Yes, adults do play Runescape. More adults play than you truly realize.

[warri0r45]

What the hell. Of course age has everything to do with maturity. You're saying a two year old is just as mature as a 30 year old? Woo-hoo?

 

 

 

I'm with this bloke. Explain why, darkforaster. And what you replied to Reb will annoy him, I'm sure, but it also annoys me. He didn't say that people aren't equal - only that sometimes thier opinions aren't. Opinions can be wrong, right or varying degrees in between and thus can be unequal. If you're instinct is to jump to a conclusion that opinion = a person, then you'd be sorely mistaken. Opinions change; they aren't who we are. Human rights tell us we are all of equal value and should be treated equally. Facts and people's ability to get them wrong tell us that opinions on a topic can be unequal.

 

 

 

*Sighs* neither of us are getting anywhere.

 

 

 

meh this will be my last post in a while. So don't bother replying.

 

 

 

what i meant by age doesn't determine maturity is the fact that adults, like children can be immature. therefore. Just because someone is older. does not mean that they are more mature. in Fact. At my school. The year 9's are the least mature, while the year 7's are the most mature. more proof that age is not a factor.

 

 

 

(there are about 200 pupils in each year.)

 

 

 

Would it have helped you if I used the word generally?

 

 

 

Age generally has relevance to maturity. And don't throw examples around as if they prove that "age is irrelevant to maturity" (quite a definate statement, don't you think?), which is total crap to be honest.

 

 

 

Problem solvered. Now we got somewhere. :wink:

[warri0r45]

To get back on topic, here.

 

 

 

What about reverse age discrimination? All you've been discussing is the younger people in game...

 

 

 

Us older people (I'm 36, btw) are also discriminated against once people find out how old we are.

 

 

 

Sure, you say, well, then, don't tell them, you say. Normally, I don't. I keep my fingers off my keyboard and keep quiet. But sometimes you forget and blurt out your age. I have been flamed just for stating my age.

 

 

 

Yes, adults do play Runescape. More adults play than you truly realize.

 

 

 

The good thing about being more mature (I'm 18, trying not to compare myself to you so please don't take this the wrong way) is we know that the people who flame us purely for being older are full of crap. Just ignore them is my advice. Let them think it actually matters in the big scheme of things.

[xSxqPowerx]

It's because it is the 12 ish year olds who usually are the ones being immature.

 

It is certainly not always the case, but it's generally easier to assume that is true for everyone, fair or not.

 

 

 

Just prove to people that are intelligent and you aren't immature.