for all of you defendig the macros

 

 

 

you KNOW they are bad, you KNOW they kill the economy yet you still defend them. why? challenge? fun? your cheating too? regardless we know the macros arent helping anyone but greedy pkers and cheap skillers so this is barely a debate

 

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And that's the kind of emotionally driven "argument" that steers you away from the cold hard facts and data (I'd guess that you're not a pker or skiller offhandedly). They bring in raw materials for people to use... what, are you saying the economy is dead because you don't like macroers, or because it makes some achievement you have seem less cool? Please, get past your emotions and look at the emperical evidence, then make a decision as to whether or not they help or damage the economy.

 

 

 

Either way, it's hard to define "helping the economy", considering the fact that there aren't really any other economies to compare Runescape to or compete with. As long as all the gp in the game isn't suddenly deleted, or unless there's some major and damaging deflation, nothing can really hurt this economy- it's so self correcting, and from what I've read here you all seem to think it's really all just based on player happyness, not the actual state of the economy, which is what we should be arguing in my opinion.

 

 

 

Though personally, as long as prices of raw materials aren't absurdly low (like 10gp each for Yew logs) or absudely high, and as long as there is enough gp in the game to go around (which is guarenteed by the existence of Alchemy), there's really no "improving" or "damaging" the economy, just changes that benefit certain groups over others (raw material gatherers vs. buyers, skillers vs. combatants, etc.). Would anyone care to disagree?

I don't care if they are or aren't helping the economy! I'd rather gather my own supplies then make them into other profitable resources then buy it! They don't deserve to get stuff freely like this. They need to look like geeks, too! I hate saying it, but I look like a no lifer in front of my parents. When I need money, I have to spend forever getting it! But these guys never log off, so they have all the time in the world, and when I say "they" I mean the bots. The real people, on the other hand, create more bots so they can get more supplies, which means more money. And then those supplies go down in price, which makes it harder for not only me, but everyone else who

 

WORKS WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM BOTS!

It doesn't help me when I am trying to cut yews on free or gather flax, bones, etc. Macroes are artificially lowering prices which harms those players such as myself who are legit. I don't see "making things so easy and cheap to buy" as good. All this simply makes skills unprofitable and ultimately looked down on for being what they are now - cheap and easy.

Maceroers do not help Runescape.Period.

 

 

 

Unfortuanatly, players have brought this on themselves. Not all players, obvoiusly, but some players are too lazy to make their money correctly, and instead by it off sites.

 

 

 

This makes people create more Bots.

 

 

 

Maybe this simple equation might help:

 

 

 

More bots= More Items= Lower prices.

 

Lower prices= more buyers= more gold for the bot.

 

More gold for the bot=more gold selling in RL=more bots.

 

 

 

And the cycle continues.

I dont believe that macroers or gold farmers are helping the economy but rather keeping it stable. If macroers were not imvented and put into RuneScape int he beginning the economy would be different but fine. Jagex cant take all macroers out without making the economy crash.

 

So no macroers in the begginning=fine &

 

Sudden banning in all macroers and whatnot now=economy crash

 

 

 

My opinion voila :

I didn't think I'd end up making a post like that, but looks like someone wants to debate my post, and someone made another crack inflation theory.

 

 

 

INFLATION

 

 

 

 

 

th ecomomy would crumble remember what was it 1929? stock market crash, the great depression, It will be on much smaller porportions, cuz its in rs, but it will affect millions of people... :uhh:

 

 

 

For some reason, I absolutely hate it when people just think of runescape and try and connect it IN ANY WAY to the great depression. There are always tons of things wrong. But obviously, the prove this argument wrong, i don't even need to go that far. Basically, you're completely wrong in thinking that this is, in any way shape or form, causing inflation

 

 

 

The autoers is causing a decrease in price

 

 

 

Inflation is defined as a sustained increase in price of all goods

 

 

 

Solidus_77, there is a "cost for living". if you really want something good, you have to pay for it: food to heal, raw materials, repair barrows, recharge crystal (shield, because i don't know why would someone recharge crystal bow since dark bow is better). other costs too, like buying from shops things players can't be bothered to sell (or are untradeble).

 

 

 

Absolutely incorrect. In runescape, "living" requires no items, no quests, no skills, nothing. Therefore the cost of basic living is 0. Those examples are all additional costs to do a certain activity, or obtain a certain item. None of these activities or items are required to "live".

 

 

 

yea? would you still buy my flax at 100 ea? or you would not talk to me unless i offer 60 or less?

 

 

 

now this just doesn't make sense at all. I tell you that capital doesn't depreciate, and you tell me some random info about the price of flax? The price of flax has nothing to do with capital. Come back when you know what capital is and then I'll consider your argument.

 

 

 

ok... i hope you rethink this when you try to cut yews/mine coal

 

 

 

Looks like you assumed I meant "all goods are infinite", I'm not careless enough to say something as stupid as that. I said that they are all infinitely replenishing, meaning that, for example, if you mine coal it will always come back. However, it takes time to extract this resource and since it doesn't satisfy everyone's needs at any time, it is a scare resource.

 

 

 

the difference is that it's alot harder now for players that play for short periods of time or just started recently

 

 

 

Does that mean it is impossible for new players to surpass these barriers? absolutely not. I said they can be achieved be anyone. I didn't say anything about the difficulty.

 

 

 

i hope you remember this next time when you want to repair your barrows/recharge crystal item/buy food for pk

 

 

 

Same idea as the first post. Pking and repairing barrows, or recharging crystal items are not required for living. They are merely options that people can choose not to do.

Well, duh.

 

But, it doesn't excuse the fatc that it's cheating. Poeple seriously playing can do the same thing.