Using different armor is hybriding, so why can't a mage use a dark bow (lovely weapons) to hybrid if a meleer can use dragonhide?

2 words: Ice Barrage

 

Almost forgot this combo: Charge + Claws of Guthix.

^Ice barrage on its own is hopelessly weak. The thing that makes magic powerful is the ability to pull combos, like miasmic barrage+ice barrage, which can do 62 damage.

tbh the only thing preventing magic from being effective in 1v1 situations is that mages cannot farcast effectively in a 1v1 situation. If a mage tries to farcast, chances are they will be rudely interrupted by another player. It doesn't help that many soloists don't see mages as honest 1v1 pkers and don't afford them the same respect they would to a solo ranger, or warrior. for this reason, it is impossible for a mage to be effective on its own in a 1v1 situation, unless there were only 2 players fighting each other with no others around.

Well. Magic is more for clan wars then anything else. In arenas ancients pwn. 1v1 they are not good. theres a blog of a mage who wins 90% of fights hes in though. i don't know the name anymore. its been awhile since i saw it. Magic needs a buff against melee.

Well. Magic is more for clan wars then anything else. In arenas ancients pwn. 1v1 they are not good. theres a blog of a mage who wins 90% of fights hes in though. i don't know the name anymore. its been awhile since i saw it. Magic needs a buff against melee.

 

 

 

In duel areana, I tend to 3 combo 3/4ths of my opponents, around level 110-130, and, out of over 50 fights, I lost 2, and the guys were red-barred. Tell me how that needs a buff? As obli1v10nmage pointed out, it's only downside if not being able to stay in combat. That's why I love the duel arena, but alas, no loot to be found there anymore.

 

And why would magic only work for clan wars? Castle War used to be THE GAME for ancient magicks, as well as old staking.

Right, it's fairly obvious that magic, at least in p2p, is not underpowered at all. It's just overcosted. If runes were free, people would be screaming about how overpowered it is.

In a pvp situation, its very cheap when compared to melee, and to a lesser extent, range.

In a pvp situation, its very cheap when compared to melee, and to a lesser extent, range.

 

 

 

 

 

I must disagree with that. A Meleer risks a rune platebody (60k) rune legs (40k) and a neitiznot helm (50k)

 

 

 

A magician with combinations will use 300k worth of runes. 60k if they decide to use a Seer's ring, and even more with INV and armor costs.

Max hits:

 

melee - 110 (or something like that)

 

ranged - 48+48

 

magic - 32

 

 

 

Mages have to use lots of inventory spaces for runes, which the other classes can use for food.

 

 

 

32 max damage is not enough to KO, so the mage has to make the meleer to use all his food (one shark can negate the barrage in most cases). However, before the mage has managed to do this, he has most likely been KOed by the meleer.

 

 

 

For all players who think magic isn't even supposed to work in 1vs1 combat: Magic is supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, which means it should work in 1vs1. Currently it is just a support skill similar to prayer and summoning, so Jagex is lying about the combat triangle.

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Max hits:

 

melee - 110 (or something like that)

 

ranged - 48+48

 

magic - 32

 

 

 

Mages have to use lots of inventory spaces for runes, which the other classes can use for food.

 

 

 

32 max damage is not enough to KO, so the mage has to make the meleer to use all his food (one shark can negate the barrage in most cases). However, before the mage has managed to do this, he has most likely been KOed by the meleer.

 

 

 

For all players who think magic isn't even supposed to work in 1vs1 combat: Magic is supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, which means it should work in 1vs1. Currently it is just a support skill similar to prayer and summoning, so Jagex is lying about the combat triangle.

 

 

 

Magic's maximum is 62, and that also freezes and halves your enemies attack speed. Melee CAN hit 110, but not in PvP.

 

 

 

As shown in my Combo Charts, most Spell Combos deal around 24-30 damage ON AVERAGE. A whip does around a 20-25 average damage, plus, if frozen, can't hit, or KO the magician at all.

 

The triangle is fine. Using melee or range I have been able to equal my clan wars KC like when I do with Magic. The damage and effects are devastating. You can't just auto-cast ice burst and expect great things.

Max hits:

 

melee - 110 (or something like that)

 

ranged - 48+48

 

magic - 32

 

 

 

Mages have to use lots of inventory spaces for runes, which the other classes can use for food.

 

 

 

32 max damage is not enough to KO, so the mage has to make the meleer to use all his food (one shark can negate the barrage in most cases). However, before the mage has managed to do this, he has most likely been KOed by the meleer.

 

 

 

For all players who think magic isn't even supposed to work in 1vs1 combat: Magic is supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, which means it should work in 1vs1. Currently it is just a support skill similar to prayer and summoning, so Jagex is lying about the combat triangle.

 

 

 

Magic's maximum is 62, and that also freezes and halves your enemies attack speed. Melee CAN hit 110, but not in PvP.

 

 

 

As shown in my Combo Charts, most Spell Combos deal around 24-30 damage ON AVERAGE. A whip does around a 20-25 average damage, plus, if frozen, can't hit, or KO the magician at all.

 

The triangle is fine. Using melee or range I have been able to equal my clan wars KC like when I do with Magic. The damage and effects are devastating. You can't just auto-cast ice burst and expect great things.

Spell combos are useless illusions, as you use the time for 2 spells to deal 2 hits. With DDS special you use the time for 1 attack to deal 2 hits (there is no initial delay in DDS special).

 

 

 

Let's say you hit two 24s with a combo. During the casting of the spells (including all delays) your opponent eats 2 sharks which reduces the damage done to 8.

 

 

 

If you hit two 24s with a DDS special, your opponent can eat once and you still have damaged the opponent for 28 HP.

 

 

 

The comboes would be useful only if you could hit the opponent two times without the initial delay.

In spell combos both splats appear at the exact same time (or close enough it's equal to DDS.), and if you want you can add in an Obsidian ring attack.

Max hits:

 

melee - 110 (or something like that)

 

ranged - 48+48

 

magic - 32

 

 

 

Mages have to use lots of inventory spaces for runes, which the other classes can use for food.

 

 

 

32 max damage is not enough to KO, so the mage has to make the meleer to use all his food (one shark can negate the barrage in most cases). However, before the mage has managed to do this, he has most likely been KOed by the meleer.

 

 

 

For all players who think magic isn't even supposed to work in 1vs1 combat: Magic is supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, which means it should work in 1vs1. Currently it is just a support skill similar to prayer and summoning, so Jagex is lying about the combat triangle.

 

 

 

Magic's maximum is 62, and that also freezes and halves your enemies attack speed. Melee CAN hit 110, but not in PvP.

 

 

 

As shown in my Combo Charts, most Spell Combos deal around 24-30 damage ON AVERAGE. A whip does around a 20-25 average damage, plus, if frozen, can't hit, or KO the magician at all.

 

The triangle is fine. Using melee or range I have been able to equal my clan wars KC like when I do with Magic. The damage and effects are devastating. You can't just auto-cast ice burst and expect great things.

Spell combos are useless illusions, as you use the time for 2 spells to deal 2 hits. With DDS special you use the time for 1 attack to deal 2 hits (there is no initial delay in DDS special).

 

 

 

Let's say you hit two 24s with a combo. During the casting of the spells (including all delays) your opponent eats 2 sharks which reduces the damage done to 8.

 

 

 

If you hit two 24s with a DDS special, your opponent can eat once and you still have damaged the opponent for 28 HP.

 

 

 

The comboes would be useful only if you could hit the opponent two times without the initial delay.

 

 

 

You do realize that, in PvP, it is better to have more damaging attacks at once, then two separate attacks? That is because your objective is to get your opponents hp to 0 despite and healing they might do. The two attacks together might kill your opponent, so they cannot eat again, as opposed to using just one type of spell, when they can eat between both.

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Max hits:

 

melee - 110 (or something like that)

 

ranged - 48+48

 

magic - 32

 

 

 

Mages have to use lots of inventory spaces for runes, which the other classes can use for food.

 

 

 

32 max damage is not enough to KO, so the mage has to make the meleer to use all his food (one shark can negate the barrage in most cases). However, before the mage has managed to do this, he has most likely been KOed by the meleer.

 

 

 

For all players who think magic isn't even supposed to work in 1vs1 combat: Magic is supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, which means it should work in 1vs1. Currently it is just a support skill similar to prayer and summoning, so Jagex is lying about the combat triangle.

 

 

 

Magic's maximum is 62, and that also freezes and halves your enemies attack speed. Melee CAN hit 110, but not in PvP.

 

 

 

As shown in my Combo Charts, most Spell Combos deal around 24-30 damage ON AVERAGE. A whip does around a 20-25 average damage, plus, if frozen, can't hit, or KO the magician at all.

 

The triangle is fine. Using melee or range I have been able to equal my clan wars KC like when I do with Magic. The damage and effects are devastating. You can't just auto-cast ice burst and expect great things.

Spell combos are useless illusions, as you use the time for 2 spells to deal 2 hits. With DDS special you use the time for 1 attack to deal 2 hits (there is no initial delay in DDS special).

 

 

 

Let's say you hit two 24s with a combo. During the casting of the spells (including all delays) your opponent eats 2 sharks which reduces the damage done to 8.

 

 

 

If you hit two 24s with a DDS special, your opponent can eat once and you still have damaged the opponent for 28 HP.

 

 

 

The comboes would be useful only if you could hit the opponent two times without the initial delay.

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You do realize that, in PvP, it is better to have more damaging attacks at once, then two separate attacks? That is because your objective is to get your opponents hp to 0 despite and healing they might do. The two attacks together might kill your opponent, so they cannot eat again, as opposed to using just one type of spell, when they can eat between both.

 

 

 

Without comboes: hit-eat-hit-eat or eat-hit-eat-hit

 

With comboes: eat-hit-hit-eat

 

 

 

Therefore, the comboes only help if the opponent can't eat before the combo hit because he has full health. Usually the opponents of people with 94+ magic have over 80 hits so even if you are lucky to hit max with the combo, he's not going to die and can eat before the next attacks.

 

 

 

Anyways, the usage of comboes is too hard (requires exact timing and laglessness) compared to melee and ranged special attacks, so magic remains underpowered.

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Max hits:

 

melee - 110 (or something like that)

 

ranged - 48+48

 

magic - 32

 

 

 

Mages have to use lots of inventory spaces for runes, which the other classes can use for food.

 

 

 

32 max damage is not enough to KO, so the mage has to make the meleer to use all his food (one shark can negate the barrage in most cases). However, before the mage has managed to do this, he has most likely been KOed by the meleer.

 

 

 

For all players who think magic isn't even supposed to work in 1vs1 combat: Magic is supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, which means it should work in 1vs1. Currently it is just a support skill similar to prayer and summoning, so Jagex is lying about the combat triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Magic's maximum is 62, and that also freezes and halves your enemies attack speed. Melee CAN hit 110, but not in PvP.

 

 

 

As shown in my Combo Charts, most Spell Combos deal around 24-30 damage ON AVERAGE. A whip does around a 20-25 average damage, plus, if frozen, can't hit, or KO the magician at all.

 

The triangle is fine. Using melee or range I have been able to equal my clan wars KC like when I do with Magic. The damage and effects are devastating. You can't just auto-cast ice burst and expect great things.

Spell combos are useless illusions, as you use the time for 2 spells to deal 2 hits. With DDS special you use the time for 1 attack to deal 2 hits (there is no initial delay in DDS special).

 

 

 

Let's say you hit two 24s with a combo. During the casting of the spells (including all delays) your opponent eats 2 sharks which reduces the damage done to 8.

 

 

 

If you hit two 24s with a DDS special, your opponent can eat once and you still have damaged the opponent for 28 HP.

 

 

 

The comboes would be useful only if you could hit the opponent two times without the initial delay.

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You do realize that, in PvP, it is better to have more damaging attacks at once, then two separate attacks? That is because your objective is to get your opponents hp to 0 despite and healing they might do. The two attacks together might kill your opponent, so they cannot eat again, as opposed to using just one type of spell, when they can eat between both.

 

 

 

Without comboes: hit-eat-hit-eat or eat-hit-eat-hit

 

With comboes: eat-hit-hit-eat

 

 

 

If the Combo works, they won't get the eat that second time after. They will each 0 HP before they can eat. That's the point.

F2P - definitely underpowered.

 

P2P - Don't know

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Max hits:

 

melee - 110 (or something like that)

 

ranged - 48+48

 

magic - 32

 

 

 

Mages have to use lots of inventory spaces for runes, which the other classes can use for food.

 

 

 

32 max damage is not enough to KO, so the mage has to make the meleer to use all his food (one shark can negate the barrage in most cases). However, before the mage has managed to do this, he has most likely been KOed by the meleer.

 

 

 

For all players who think magic isn't even supposed to work in 1vs1 combat: Magic is supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, which means it should work in 1vs1. Currently it is just a support skill similar to prayer and summoning, so Jagex is lying about the combat triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Magic's maximum is 62, and that also freezes and halves your enemies attack speed. Melee CAN hit 110, but not in PvP.

 

 

 

As shown in my Combo Charts, most Spell Combos deal around 24-30 damage ON AVERAGE. A whip does around a 20-25 average damage, plus, if frozen, can't hit, or KO the magician at all.

 

The triangle is fine. Using melee or range I have been able to equal my clan wars KC like when I do with Magic. The damage and effects are devastating. You can't just auto-cast ice burst and expect great things.

Spell combos are useless illusions, as you use the time for 2 spells to deal 2 hits. With DDS special you use the time for 1 attack to deal 2 hits (there is no initial delay in DDS special).

 

 

 

Let's say you hit two 24s with a combo. During the casting of the spells (including all delays) your opponent eats 2 sharks which reduces the damage done to 8.

 

 

 

If you hit two 24s with a DDS special, your opponent can eat once and you still have damaged the opponent for 28 HP.

 

 

 

The comboes would be useful only if you could hit the opponent two times without the initial delay.

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You do realize that, in PvP, it is better to have more damaging attacks at once, then two separate attacks? That is because your objective is to get your opponents hp to 0 despite and healing they might do. The two attacks together might kill your opponent, so they cannot eat again, as opposed to using just one type of spell, when they can eat between both.

 

 

 

Without comboes: hit-eat-hit-eat or eat-hit-eat-hit

 

With comboes: eat-hit-hit-eat

 

 

 

If the Combo works, they won't get the eat that second time after. They will each 0 HP before they can eat. That's the point.

 

You're going to kill people with ~60 damage? Only going to work with pure mage. Normal characters that a level 94+ mage can kill have over 80 (remember the combat level limitations).

 

 

 

PJing doesn't count as wounded characters are easier to kill anyways.

 

 

 

I am pretty sure teamcapes prevent that?

 

but yeah mage, in my opinion is up to par. I use it as a sidearm really when I pk and i think that it really helps..ALOT.

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Max hits:

 

melee - 110 (or something like that)

 

ranged - 48+48

 

magic - 32

 

 

 

Mages have to use lots of inventory spaces for runes, which the other classes can use for food.

 

 

 

32 max damage is not enough to KO, so the mage has to make the meleer to use all his food (one shark can negate the barrage in most cases). However, before the mage has managed to do this, he has most likely been KOed by the meleer.

 

 

 

For all players who think magic isn't even supposed to work in 1vs1 combat: Magic is supposed to be a part of the combat triangle, which means it should work in 1vs1. Currently it is just a support skill similar to prayer and summoning, so Jagex is lying about the combat triangle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Magic's maximum is 62, and that also freezes and halves your enemies attack speed. Melee CAN hit 110, but not in PvP.

 

 

 

As shown in my Combo Charts, most Spell Combos deal around 24-30 damage ON AVERAGE. A whip does around a 20-25 average damage, plus, if frozen, can't hit, or KO the magician at all.

 

The triangle is fine. Using melee or range I have been able to equal my clan wars KC like when I do with Magic. The damage and effects are devastating. You can't just auto-cast ice burst and expect great things.

Spell combos are useless illusions, as you use the time for 2 spells to deal 2 hits. With DDS special you use the time for 1 attack to deal 2 hits (there is no initial delay in DDS special).

 

 

 

Let's say you hit two 24s with a combo. During the casting of the spells (including all delays) your opponent eats 2 sharks which reduces the damage done to 8.

 

 

 

If you hit two 24s with a DDS special, your opponent can eat once and you still have damaged the opponent for 28 HP.

 

 

 

The comboes would be useful only if you could hit the opponent two times without the initial delay.

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You do realize that, in PvP, it is better to have more damaging attacks at once, then two separate attacks? That is because your objective is to get your opponents hp to 0 despite and healing they might do. The two attacks together might kill your opponent, so they cannot eat again, as opposed to using just one type of spell, when they can eat between both.

 

 

 

Without comboes: hit-eat-hit-eat or eat-hit-eat-hit

 

With comboes: eat-hit-hit-eat

 

 

 

If the Combo works, they won't get the eat that second time after. They will each 0 HP before they can eat. That's the point.

 

You're going to kill people with ~60 damage? Only going to work with pure mage. Normal characters that a level 94+ mage can kill have over 80 (remember the combat level limitations).

 

 

 

PJing doesn't count as wounded characters are easier to kill anyways.

 

 

 

How hard can melee or range hit? Range hits up to 60 with d bolt special; but that's unreliable and the regular hits max around 40. Whip can only hit mid 40s; GS low 60s; DH can hit very high but that requires being at very low hp. Magic hits 60s, is far more accurate than melee or range, and can freeze, poison, drain stats, reduce attack speed, and heal the user.

 

 

 

Combos versus regular hits are like switching weapons for melee. Regular casting hits half as much with twice the speed. Melee has the same type of thing; whip hits half as much as DH and is twice as fast. Would you call a massive hit from DH or a godsword a useless illusion?

An average Ice Barrage + Shadow Barrage combo is about 29-30 damage. Whip is maybe 24 damage on average. Check out the combo graphs in my guide. Don't believe me? Do the math yourself. There is only 1 way to hit 0, 2 ways to hit 1, 3 ways to hit 2 ect ect. Then go down: 1 way to hit 58, 2 ways to hit 57, until you reach the mid-point. That is where your damage will be most frequent.

 

 

 

That's not including the effects of the spells.

An average Ice Barrage + Shadow Barrage combo is about 29-30 damage. Whip is maybe 24 damage on average. Check out the combo graphs in my guide. Don't believe me? Do the math yourself. There is only 1 way to hit 0, 2 ways to hit 1, 3 ways to hit 2 ect ect. Then go down: 1 way to hit 58, 2 ways to hit 57, until you reach the mid-point. That is where your damage will be most frequent.

 

 

 

That's not including the effects of the spells.

 

But what about the Defense? The meleer can wear Karils/D hide and retain the same offensive capabilities.

An average Ice Barrage + Shadow Barrage combo is about 29-30 damage. Whip is maybe 24 damage on average. Check out the combo graphs in my guide. Don't believe me? Do the math yourself. There is only 1 way to hit 0, 2 ways to hit 1, 3 ways to hit 2 ect ect. Then go down: 1 way to hit 58, 2 ways to hit 57, until you reach the mid-point. That is where your damage will be most frequent.

 

 

 

That's not including the effects of the spells.

 

But what about the Defense? The meleer can wear Karils/D hide and retain the same offensive capabilities.

 

 

 

 

 

Offensive, but not defensive. Dark bow spec will quickly take care of them if they swap to Ranger armor.

 

How hard can melee or range hit? Range hits up to 60 with d bolt special; but that's unreliable and the regular hits max around 40. Whip can only hit mid 40s; GS low 60s; DH can hit very high but that requires being at very low hp. Magic hits 60s, is far more accurate than melee or range, and can freeze, poison, drain stats, reduce attack speed, and heal the user.

 

 

 

Combos versus regular hits are like switching weapons for melee. Regular casting hits half as much with twice the speed. Melee has the same type of thing; whip hits half as much as DH and is twice as fast. Would you call a massive hit from DH or a godsword a useless illusion?

 

 

 

The combo effect is an illusion because it appears to hit more than non-combo, but in reality it hits the same damage per time as non-combo.

 

 

 

delay-30-30-delay (Combo, 60 damage.)

 

delay-30-delay-30 (Non-combo, 60 damage in the same amount of time used. The delays need to be counted too.)