Is magic too weak??

[MotherBrainII]

Although I know Warrior disagrees, I prefer to use standard attacks unless I know the opponent's HP is low enough that I could potentially KO them. If using the combo still won't do enough damage to kill the opponent if it maxes, what's the point?

 

 

 

Unless of course the combo in question is the ice blitz-DFS-obby ring-blood barrage combo, which can potentially bring HP down from 99 to 0 in the space of less than three seconds, and is impossible to block effectively.

[llamster]

 

How hard can melee or range hit? Range hits up to 60 with d bolt special; but that's unreliable and the regular hits max around 40. Whip can only hit mid 40s; GS low 60s; DH can hit very high but that requires being at very low hp. Magic hits 60s, is far more accurate than melee or range, and can freeze, poison, drain stats, reduce attack speed, and heal the user.

 

 

 

Combos versus regular hits are like switching weapons for melee. Regular casting hits half as much with twice the speed. Melee has the same type of thing; whip hits half as much as DH and is twice as fast. Would you call a massive hit from DH or a godsword a useless illusion?

 

 

 

The combo effect is an illusion because it appears to hit more than non-combo, but in reality it hits the same damage per time as non-combo.

 

 

 

delay-30-30-delay (Combo, 60 damage.)

 

delay-30-delay-30 (Non-combo, 60 damage in the same amount of time used. The delays need to be counted too.)

 

 

 

Yes, it's the exact same DPS. It halves attack speed and doubles the max. But like I said; that's (roughly) the same as when comparing a whip to DH. A huge hit from the greataxe is not an illusion, no?

[Sir_Kurity]

Ok, the main problem with mage i see is that there is a "delay" for the ko.

 

 

 

For example, lets say someone attacks with darts and ko's with a dark bow or something.

 

 

 

5-5-5-5-5-5-(25-25) or something. There is little delay when you switch.

 

 

 

Now lets assume mage is doing its stuff.

 

 

 

15-15-15-15-delay-(15-20)

 

 

 

So the enemy can see the ko coming, so unlike other weapon switches, he has time to eat.

[Karvinen]

 

How hard can melee or range hit? Range hits up to 60 with d bolt special; but that's unreliable and the regular hits max around 40. Whip can only hit mid 40s; GS low 60s; DH can hit very high but that requires being at very low hp. Magic hits 60s, is far more accurate than melee or range, and can freeze, poison, drain stats, reduce attack speed, and heal the user.

 

 

 

Combos versus regular hits are like switching weapons for melee. Regular casting hits half as much with twice the speed. Melee has the same type of thing; whip hits half as much as DH and is twice as fast. Would you call a massive hit from DH or a godsword a useless illusion?

 

 

 

The combo effect is an illusion because it appears to hit more than non-combo, but in reality it hits the same damage per time as non-combo.

 

 

 

delay-30-30-delay (Combo, 60 damage.)

 

delay-30-delay-30 (Non-combo, 60 damage in the same amount of time used. The delays need to be counted too.)

 

 

 

Yes, it's the exact same DPS. It halves attack speed and doubles the max. But like I said; that's (roughly) the same as when comparing a whip to DH. A huge hit from the greataxe is not an illusion, no?

The special set effect damage of greataxe is higher than the normal damage of it, therefore it is not an illusion if only the special (full set) and normal attacks (non-full set) are compared.

 

 

 

The point is that combo magic is as (under)powerful as non-combo magic. Comboing creates only more hassle.

[iusetitans]

mage is better than melee but not as good as range

 

 

 

mage dont need super pots unlike melee and can pack on brews / super restore

[xxlegendxx]

Archers ARE supposed win against mages and you can freeze meleers so they wouldn't dds spec you. Triangle is fine.

 

 

 

That's the idea that mages have freezing spells to make up for thier weak defense, and it works in non-multicombat, but freezing spells are useless in mutlicombat for this theoretical defense. Even if you freeze a meleer as a mage, there's still the rest of their army and therefore making this theoretical means of defense useless.

[llamster]

Ok, the main problem with mage i see is that there is a "delay" for the ko.

 

 

 

For example, lets say someone attacks with darts and ko's with a dark bow or something.

 

 

 

5-5-5-5-5-5-(25-25) or something. There is little delay when you switch.

 

 

 

Now lets assume mage is doing its stuff.

 

 

 

15-15-15-15-delay-(15-20)

 

 

 

So the enemy can see the ko coming, so unlike other weapon switches, he has time to eat.

 

 

 

Nope. The two most powerful spells, ice barrage and miasmic barrage, both have delays. The opponent has no way of knowing if the caster will follow up with an instant spell or continue casting one of those.

 

 

 

 

How hard can melee or range hit? Range hits up to 60 with d bolt special; but that's unreliable and the regular hits max around 40. Whip can only hit mid 40s; GS low 60s; DH can hit very high but that requires being at very low hp. Magic hits 60s, is far more accurate than melee or range, and can freeze, poison, drain stats, reduce attack speed, and heal the user.

 

 

 

Combos versus regular hits are like switching weapons for melee. Regular casting hits half as much with twice the speed. Melee has the same type of thing; whip hits half as much as DH and is twice as fast. Would you call a massive hit from DH or a godsword a useless illusion?

 

 

 

The combo effect is an illusion because it appears to hit more than non-combo, but in reality it hits the same damage per time as non-combo.

 

 

 

delay-30-30-delay (Combo, 60 damage.)

 

delay-30-delay-30 (Non-combo, 60 damage in the same amount of time used. The delays need to be counted too.)

 

 

 

Yes, it's the exact same DPS. It halves attack speed and doubles the max. But like I said; that's (roughly) the same as when comparing a whip to DH. A huge hit from the greataxe is not an illusion, no?

The special set effect damage of greataxe is higher than the normal damage of it, therefore it is not an illusion if only the special (full set) and normal attacks (non-full set) are compared.

 

 

 

The point is that combo magic is as (under)powerful as non-combo magic. Comboing creates only more hassle.

 

 

 

Whip maxes 45 or so at maxed stats. DH can hit 90+, but that requires being at very low hp which is impractical for PvP, so realistically you can only expect to hit 70-80 at best. If DH could hit 90+ consistently at max hp, then it would be indisputably better than the whip for PvP (considering that it's already quite popular).

 

 

 

Regular magic hits 30s at 5 speed. Combos hit 60s at half the speed of regular magic. This is the same as whip versus Dharok's if DH could hit 90+ at max hp. DH is obviously better than whip if it were like that; so clearly combos are better than regular casting.

 

 

 

Archers ARE supposed win against mages and you can freeze meleers so they wouldn't dds spec you. Triangle is fine.

 

 

 

That's the idea that mages have freezing spells to make up for thier weak defense, and it works in non-multicombat, but freezing spells are useless in mutlicombat for this theoretical defense. Even if you freeze a meleer as a mage, there's still the rest of their army and therefore making this theoretical means of defense useless.

 

 

 

Farcasting is pretty much impossible in Worlds/BH anyway. But mage easily outhits melee even without farcasting.

[demby123]

My only problem with spell combinations is the fact that,unlike special attacks , they are two separate hits. One can eat through combinations,leaving 20 damage not accounted for, but a special will push the healing effects of food to the point after its performed. :(

[sadukar123]

My only problem with spell combinations is the fact that,unlike special attacks , they are two separate hits. One can eat through combinations,leaving 20 damage not accounted for, but a special will push the healing effects of food to the point after its performed. :(

 

You cannot. You can stack a DFS hit, 2 magic hit and 1 range hit, possibly dealing 105 damage in the time span of 1 splat occuring.

[warrior5024]

My only problem with spell combinations is the fact that,unlike special attacks , they are two separate hits. One can eat through combinations,leaving 20 damage not accounted for, but a special will push the healing effects of food to the point after its performed. :(

 

You cannot. You can stack a DFS hit, 2 magic hit and 1 range hit, possibly dealing 105 damage in the time span of 1 splat occuring.

 

 

 

Haha, that Combo was sooo much fun! Not practical because of the two minute wait, but fun none-the-less.

 

The TSC is the most reliable high hitting magic combo. I'd love to see some pure pull that off and blow everybody out of the water :lol:

[demby123]

My only problem with spell combinations is the fact that,unlike special attacks , they are two separate hits. One can eat through combinations,leaving 20 damage not accounted for, but a special will push the healing effects of food to the point after its performed. :(

 

You cannot. You can stack a DFS hit, 2 magic hit and 1 range hit, possibly dealing 105 damage in the time span of 1 splat occuring.

 

Thats not realy magic by itself. :|

[sadukar123]

My only problem with spell combinations is the fact that,unlike special attacks , they are two separate hits. One can eat through combinations,leaving 20 damage not accounted for, but a special will push the healing effects of food to the point after its performed. :(

 

You cannot. You can stack a DFS hit, 2 magic hit and 1 range hit, possibly dealing 105 damage in the time span of 1 splat occuring.

 

Thats not realy magic by itself. :|

 

Just magic can hit around 60 or so.

[warrior5024]

My only problem with spell combinations is the fact that,unlike special attacks , they are two separate hits. One can eat through combinations,leaving 20 damage not accounted for, but a special will push the healing effects of food to the point after its performed. :(

 

You cannot. You can stack a DFS hit, 2 magic hit and 1 range hit, possibly dealing 105 damage in the time span of 1 splat occuring.

 

Thats not realy magic by itself. :|

 

 

 

Is a Whip with Karil's Melee by itself?

[mister_moocky]

Indeed, by its self magic has little hope against a mager or meleer in range armour. However by using it with the other combat styles you are a much more effective fighter. The problem is that meleers and rangers (albeit, less so for rangers) get a large ammount of accuracy from a weapon and some jewlery, while mages have to depend on low-defence robes for their accuracy bonuses. However if you gave mages a staff with high accuracy, such as +65, it would be overpowered. A better solution already stated would be to make range equipment give negative melee attack, like armadyl does.

[gummibear95]

gosh... stop complainin!!!

 

 

 

i have only lv 71 mage, and i can still epicly pown rangers and melers alike,

 

 

 

mage is not underpowered, if your good, and use anchients, throw in a safe spot or two, mix in a mage potion, and bake on high heat for 3-4 hours, you could quite possibly be able to kill some1 in 2-3 hits, and they wouldnt even get near you.

[llamster]

My only problem with spell combinations is the fact that,unlike special attacks , they are two separate hits. One can eat through combinations,leaving 20 damage not accounted for, but a special will push the healing effects of food to the point after its performed. :(

 

You cannot. You can stack a DFS hit, 2 magic hit and 1 range hit, possibly dealing 105 damage in the time span of 1 splat occuring.

 

Thats not realy magic by itself. :|

 

 

 

Is a Whip with Karil's Melee by itself?

 

 

 

Yes.

[warrior5024]

My only problem with spell combinations is the fact that,unlike special attacks , they are two separate hits. One can eat through combinations,leaving 20 damage not accounted for, but a special will push the healing effects of food to the point after its performed. :(

 

You cannot. You can stack a DFS hit, 2 magic hit and 1 range hit, possibly dealing 105 damage in the time span of 1 splat occuring.

 

Thats not realy magic by itself. :|

 

 

 

Is a Whip with Karil's Melee by itself?

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

Funny, I thought Karil's required 70 Range?

 

 

 

That means the melee has to Range at some point to wear the armor, so it is considered Hybriding, since it's giving them an edge against the triangle.

[IzzetGuildmage]

Magic is very good in minigames, especially crowded ones such as Castle Wars, Soul Wars, Clan Wars, Stealing Creation and the like.

 

 

 

It's also good in combination with range or melee to soften up the target, allowing for an easier K0.

 

 

 

However, using ONLY magic on a pvp situation, your opponents will just eat through your spells (even barrage) and reach you eventually. Farcasting can be done but it's very fragile to farcasters. Not to mention they are beaten by the ever increasing amount of rangers.

 

 

 

Less relevant is how they are very fragile to thievers in Stealing Creation.

[demby123]

 

Thats not realy magic by itself. :|

 

 

 

Is a Whip with Karil's Melee by itself?

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

Funny, I thought Karil's required 70 Range?

 

 

 

That means the melee has to Range at some point to wear the armor, so it is considered Hybriding, since it's giving them an edge against the triangle.

 

I'd consider it tanking.

 

 

 

Using the highly defensive pieces of armor of another class to defy the advantages of the one ment to defeat you.Hes still using melee,which we should some defence against.

 

Do you consider tank rangers hybrids ?

[warrior5024]

 

Thats not realy magic by itself. :|

 

 

 

Is a Whip with Karil's Melee by itself?

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

Funny, I thought Karil's required 70 Range?

 

 

 

That means the melee has to Range at some point to wear the armor, so it is considered Hybriding, since it's giving them an edge against the triangle.

 

I'd consider it tanking.

 

 

 

Using the highly defensive pieces of armor of another class to defy the advantages of the one ment to defeat you.Hes still using melee,which we should some defence against.

 

Do you consider tank rangers hybrids ?

 

 

 

 

 

Do they use items from another corner of the triangle to tweak their advantages? Yes. Is that hybriding? Yes.

[Big_Stingman]

I don't think magic itself is weak, it's just that the armor can't hold up against to melee if your opponent can get to you. Even with Ahrims.

[warrior5024]

I don't think magic itself is weak, it's just that the armor can't hold up against to melee if your opponent can get to you. Even with Ahrims.

 

 

 

 

 

Which is why you can freeze, move back, safe spot, and slow weapon speed.

[sa121]

I don't think magic itself is weak, it's just that the armor can't hold up against to melee if your opponent can get to you. Even with Ahrims.

 

 

 

 

 

Which is why you can freeze, move back, safe spot, and slow weapon speed.

 

And then be hit with dragon claws and downed for max mage. That's the one problem with mage; otherwise it'd be fine alone.

[abbydog95]

Magic is like a side arm, its useful incombine with melee + range, you can freeze meleers then shoot a d bow special at them, or rush them with an ags = Very High damage. If you think its weak look at the AoW guide about stacking attacks.

[Karvinen]

 

Do they use items from another corner of the triangle to tweak their advantages? Yes. Is that hybriding? Yes.

 

 

 

Dragonhide armour pieces are defence items. Not ranged. Even though dragonhide armour gives offensive ranged bonus, you must use a ranged weapon to use the bonus. You're not able to inflict ranged damage just with the armour.

 

 

 

To be a hybrid, you must use ATTACKS from at least two different combat styles. Unless you consider a character with armour and a melee weapon to be a hybrid of melee and defence.