Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[warri0r45]

And your "its who we are argument is total crap by the way." I could be a murderer or a rapist and say" its who I am," but we all have freedom of choice and free- will, its something you can choose to be or not to be.

(1) If it's such a simple choice perhaps you could explain the quotes I presented in my first post on page 1. Homosexuality nor hetrosexuality is seen in early childhood; you're likely born with a sexual inclination but it's only born out in a sexual nature at puberty. Before that' date=' many with homosexual tendancies can be seen to be more feminine in toy choice, to give you an example.

 

 

 

As I stated for someone else, perhaps you could help me by answering these simple questions as well if you think it's a simple choice -

 

 

 

1) Why would I choose to be gay if I have a biological attraction towards women and no such attraction towards men?

 

2) Why would I choose to be gay when it's still looked down on in society, especially in religious circles? [/quote']

 

 

 

There's a difference between having an unchosen, natural inclination towards something and actually acting on it. At this point in my life, I have a natural inclination towards fornication with members of the opposite sex. Does that make me a bad person, sinful? No. Not even from a Christian point of view. This is just like homosexuality; they have natural inclinations towards fornication with members of the same sex, which isn't wrong from a Christian perspective. Just like someone who has a ridiculously short temper and is aggressive by nature has a natural inclination towards murder and revenge. Having these feelings by themselves is okay, we can't choose or change that.

 

 

 

Acting on them is what, from a Christian perspective, is seen as wrong. Me acting on my natural inclinations is wrong, just like the others in the above list is seen as wrong. We all struggle with things, so I don't see why a homosexual having feelings towards what Christianity calls "wrong" is any worse than me having feelings towards something wrong; the only difference is that when I get married, I can legally (from a Christian perspective) act on them with my wife.

 

 

 

But at the moment, I am no different than a homosexual, from a Christian perspective. I have natural inclinations towards sin; I just choose not to act on them.

 

 

 

If only others see what you do. Some don't. That's what I'm arguing against at the moment. If you are of the belief that acting on urges programmed into us and not chosen is a no-no either ever or until a specific point in time, then so be it. I'd see something such as that as horridly illogical and counter-intuitive but whatever floats your boat.

[Guest]

Just one more post before bed...

 

 

 

However if you discriminate against them (possibly in real life too), you are void of any rights yourself and you can be even held criminally responsible according to the law (because the lawmakers in most 1st world countries have decided any form of discrimination is a criminal offense)

 

 

 

:lol: Living in fairy land again? Trust me the laws stop discrimination.

 

 

 

Anyway that's regardless. I still love all homosexuals as a Christian should (or maybe that's just my individualism :roll: ) but I won't be saying on the internet or in real life that I agree with homosexuality or their actions. I put up with it and don't discriminate against homosexuals like the whites did to the blacks in America during the 60's, 70's etc. That's ludacris, we're all sinners (if you agree that homosexuality is one or not its irrelevant), nobody deserves to be treated like that. But that doesn't mean you can't speak against something you don't agree with, like any sane person would do with a pedophile or murderer.

 

 

 

So don't take me as a Gay Basher, because I disagree with their actions, I'm actually quite a loving person in real life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Onto the next piece of stupidity, once again, a quote by me taken out of context. Simply quoted, and no thought put into why I posted it concerning a previous statement by another user (in the below case it was Warrior).

 

 

 

I don't know why I bother replying to you Ginger, since you've come up with constant Garbage since regularly posting on OT. Maybe its just when you try contradicting me, as I don't bother reading your posts out side of those directed at me. So my apologies for the generalisation, if that's the case. :^o

 

 

 

 

 

Eelspremiers, your argument is flawed in two key parts:

 

 

 

Ok well since your asking for my personal opinion then I'll give it to you. Science doesn't come into it here. I'll also come from the point of view thats "its a fact they are born gay" instead of making that "lifestyle choice" during puberty years as you requested.

 

What dyu mean 'science doesn't come into it'? If I went out on the street and said religion had no bearing on the world I'd be laughed at. It annoys me how you say science has no bearing on the world, but if an athiest such as me said religion doesn't come into anything I'd be flamed. Human emotion is partly down to hormonal activity, therefore science is probably directly connected to this.

 

 

 

Warrior was asking for my personal opinion on why I see homosexuality as wrong. That's a personal opinion, therefore science doesn't come into why I perceive something as wrong, unless I had a mental condition and my brain worked in a weird way and therefore a scientific analysis of my brain could determine that I'm in fact an idiot and therefore come up with such idiotic statements. Which clearly isn't the case, so you've failed once again.

 

 

 

@ Bold: Science does have a bearing on the world, though it doesn't on my religious beliefs and personal opinion on homosexuality. But yeah thanks for that totally irrelevant statement.

 

 

 

Oh and also human emotion has nothing to do with my beliefs in something being seen as "wrong" by me. Once again a totally irrelevant comment from you.

 

 

 

At least Warrior and Bluelancer challenge me in my beliefs, you just come up with total random garbage, that's totally irrelevant to anything being said.

 

 

 

By the way from what I saw of those sites and read (apologies if you can prove me wrong), they weren't credible and even could be seen as biased. You don't like it when on the religious threads Christians post their sources of Christians sites (despite having factual sources on them) but rather sites with a more scientific connotation on the evidence. SO in this case do you have any scientific sources whereby they can conclusively prove that its biological and that a lifestyle choice has nothing to do with their homosexuality?

 

 

 

If you're gona play the "proof" game, can you prove homosexuality is unnatural? And no, the Bible isn't proof. It's a set of guidelines.

 

 

 

No I don't plan on proving a belief or a personal opinion. Since it can't be done. Its like you saying to me "can you prove to me why your favourite team the Parramatta Eels is the greatest NRL team of all time" (who coincidently craps all over Warri0rs Broncos, who have no chance of making the top 8 and are going to lose against Parramatta in 2 weeks time [sorry got a bit side tracked there]. :P)

 

 

 

In other words you can't and don't prove a belief or personal opinion, but rather if your trying to tell me that its a fact that homosexuals are born that way and its never a lifestyle choice, you must rightly state credible sources.

[insane]

If you are of the belief that acting on urges programmed into us and not chosen is a no-no either ever or until a specific point in time, then so be it. I'd see something such as that as horridly illogical and counter-intuitive but whatever floats your boat.

 

 

 

Did you NOT read the murder example?

[Ginger_Warrior]

@ Bold: Science does have a bearing on the world, though it doesn't on my religious beliefs and personal opinion on homosexuality. But yeah thanks for that totally irrelevant statement.

 

I'm accusing you of double standards. If you can't understand that, then don't bother trying to reply. I'm basically saying that it's seen as perfectly acceptable for you to say science means nothing, but if I did the same for religion, you'd be offended. Just because your religious doesn't mean you abide by different rules of tolerance than I do.

 

 

 

I'm basically asking why is it I'm seen as lacking any sense of moral direction because I lack religious backing to my arguments, yet I can't accuse you of not following logic. I'll leave this argument here since as it's a seperate topic in itself.

 

At least Warrior and Bluelancer challenge me in my beliefs, you just come up with total random garbage, that's totally irrelevant to anything being said.

 

I'm challenging your viewpoint just as much as they are, just from a different position. Again, if you feel my argument is irrelevant, don't reply to it. Simple, and reduces spam. :)

 

 

 

In other words you can't and don't prove a belief or personal opinion, but rather if your trying to tell me that its a fact that homosexuals are born that way and its never a lifestyle choice, you must rightly state credible sources.

 

I'm not asking you to prove an opinion is right. If you've only just realised you can't prove an opinion to be right, then you're a bit behind. No opinion is ever right, however, I'm challenging your opinion. You seem to be implying that homosexuality is actually something you have control over. Just as you've asked us to give credible sources, I am asking you to do the same for your theory. Again, just because you have a religious side to your argument doesn't mean it's valid without your own sources.

[assassin_696]

If you are of the belief that acting on urges programmed into us and not chosen is a no-no either ever or until a specific point in time, then so be it. I'd see something such as that as horridly illogical and counter-intuitive but whatever floats your boat.

 

 

 

Did you NOT read the murder example?

 

 

 

I know what you're probably going to say, but I have to say this anyway. There's a difference between having a homosexual urge and acting on it, and having a murder urge and acting on it (although I genuinely can't think of any reason why people would be born genetically pre-disposed to murder, I would imagine that's far more likely to be nurtured, as it were). Acting on one urge causes obvious harm (murder), but to act on a homosexual urge does not cause any harm. I know that they are roughly equated in Christianity through sin, but you can't equate them ethically.

[nomadmike]

:? Well right now do to overpopulation and such I wouldn't mind a few million people going over to the other side to help this poor globe :( .

 

I see it as since there is enough of us right now why not. I'm not going that way but if it will some what slow down more babies from coming in let it happen.

 

 

 

If there were 2 men and 2 women left on Earth in the future and one guy went for another guy....well our species might be as well as gone -.- :roll: .

[BlueLancer]

 

If there were 2 men and 2 women left on Earth in the future and one guy went for another guy....well our species might be as well as gone -.- :roll: .

 

 

 

If there were just 2 men and 2 women left on earth their descendants would die from genetic disorders due to multiple generations of inbreeding and incest.

 

 

 

Just like someone who has a ridiculously short temper and is aggressive by nature has a natural inclination towards murder and revenge. Having these feelings by themselves is okay, we can't choose or change that.

 

 

 

Acting on them is what, from a Christian perspective, is seen as wrong.

 

 

 

Acting on a natural inclination (doubtful but I realize certain people's genes can alter their vulnerability to severe aggression and such) to murder hurts society and other people.

 

 

 

Acting on a natural inclination to follow your natural mating/bonding orientation doesn't hurt the society or any person. I don't see how people, be it conservative christians, muslims, random hillbillies or star wars geeks can discriminate against them.

 

 

 

If you were to choose neighbours... From 2 robbers, 2 murderers, 2 gay people... Which one of them doesn't break the law, act disruptively and pays taxes + works just like any other citizen or couple?

 

 

 

Acting on them is what, from a Christian perspective, is seen as wrong

 

 

 

 

What about your own personal perspective as a human, equal to all other humans? I thought people would limit religion from affecting their thoughts, instead it seems some people want to limit their thoughts from affecting their religiousness.

 

 

 

But as I've read your posts for years I understand that's not something that's going to change overnight and it's your lifestyle choice to be a catholic christian. I just hope it wont make you judgemental in real life situations with people from different backgrounds, religions, sexualities and nations.

[martinisback]

They're both comparable in the fact that both have the freedom of choice to choose that path.

 

 

 

 

I made a post just for you, above this one. Animals don't choose homosexuality just like they don't "choose" biological behavior. Humans are animals too.

 

 

 

What, does a baboon, chimpanzee, dolphin.. Choose his sexuality?

 

 

 

 

And as you have the right to strongly accept their way of life so therefore you should accept the way in which I disagree with their actions. Or are you going to be hypocritical?

 

 

 

You have a right to disagree with them, I can't deny you have that freedom.

 

 

 

However if you discriminate against them (possibly in real life too), you are void of any rights yourself and you can be even held criminally responsible according to the law (because the lawmakers in most 1st world countries have decided any form of discrimination is a criminal offense)

 

 

 

Blue lancer your a noob!

 

 

 

Home Sexuality is Wrong! But God makes all kinds of people, and if they are Gay then they are gay and thats not changeable. But I hate how they make such a big deal, and say " Oh my god we arent getting normal respect" - PROFANITY REMOVED They try to hard to get attention :-s

[insane]

If you are of the belief that acting on urges programmed into us and not chosen is a no-no either ever or until a specific point in time, then so be it. I'd see something such as that as horridly illogical and counter-intuitive but whatever floats your boat.

 

 

 

Did you NOT read the murder example?

 

 

 

I know what you're probably going to say, but I have to say this anyway. There's a difference between having a homosexual urge and acting on it, and having a murder urge and acting on it (although I genuinely can't think of any reason why people would be born genetically pre-disposed to murder, I would imagine that's far more likely to be nurtured, as it were). Acting on one urge causes obvious harm (murder), but to act on a homosexual urge does not cause any harm. I know that they are roughly equated in Christianity through sin, but you can't equate them ethically.

 

 

 

I wasn't dialoguing on the morality of acting on the urges. I was merely stating that acting on them was in fact, choice. I was just pointing out the difference between being disposed towards an action and actually acting.

[BlueLancer]

 

Blue lancer your a noob!

 

 

 

Home Sexuality is Wrong! But God makes all kinds of people, and if they are Gay then they are gay and thats not changeable. But I hate how they make such a big deal, and say " Oh my god we arent getting normal respect" - PROFANITY REMOVED They try to hard to get attention :-s

 

 

 

Maybe they make a big deal because people like you tell them they are "wrong"? Do you really have the balls to walk up to a gay person in real life and tell him "he's wrong"? That's YOUR close minded opinion, not mine.

 

 

 

And thanks for the 'noob' reference. I'm sure you weren't a 'noob' registering on the forums before being 13 years old, you could be easily banned, but nobody's going to sink that low are they? :lol:

 

 

 

God makes all kinds of people

 

 

 

Did it occur to you there may be gay people born who don't believe in God like you do?

 

 

 

Or they may have a different religion? But why am I talking.. I'm sure you're laughing at these posts with your pimply faced homophobic friends. "OMG haha they're defending gays and negroes, what's next, give coloureds free public bathrooms? Bunch of noobs!" Living in the 1800's are we?

 

 

 

Unlike you, I can and have the freedom to stand up for discriminated people. It's people like you that cause them to make a "big deal" out of it.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Home Sexuality is Wrong!

 

Care to elabourate on that? Or should I presume you're just taking the Mikey and deliberately causing a flame war for attention-seeking?

[martinisback]

This is my opinion, after all most questions are opinion based.

 

 

 

I did say I THINK its Wrong, but also mentioned that God has made all kinds of people, Good and bad. Never said anything about them other then they complain that the dont get enough respect. They have parades all day, isn't that enough..

[Ginger_Warrior]

This is my opinion, after all most questions are opinion based.

 

 

 

I did say I THINK its Wrong, but also mentioned that God has made all kinds of people, Good and bad. Never said anything about them other then they complain that the dont get enough respect. They have parades all day, isn't that enough..

 

It's that kind of attitude I'm questioning. Somehow, you feel homosexuals doesn't deserve to be at the same level in society as heterosexuals are. It's fine you have that opinion, but I want to at least provide an insight into what brought you to that opinion.

[martinisback]

This is my opinion, after all most questions are opinion based.

 

 

 

I did say I THINK its Wrong, but also mentioned that God has made all kinds of people, Good and bad. Never said anything about them other then they complain that the dont get enough respect. They have parades all day, isn't that enough..

 

It's that kind of attitude I'm questioning. Somehow, you feel homosexuals doesn't deserve to be at the same level in society as heterosexuals are. It's fine you have that opinion, but I want to at least provide an insight into what brought you to that opinion.

 

 

 

where did i mentionthat?

[Satenza]

I think the only way you could change someones mind about homosexuality being a sin or not is by refering back to the Bible and pointing out the passages there. The only passage which is really worthwhile citing as biblical proof that it "condemns" homosexuality is Pauls writings. Yet Pauls credibility really isn't much to boast about what with his contradictions of earlier wirtings from the Old Testament and even more ambiguity about the author of 'his' work. As well as clear sexism in his writings. But of course picking and choosing still continues because I doubt any Christian still follows what Paul wrote regarding that issue.

 

 

 

Oh, and I'd also like to point out the relationship between David and Jonathan. Unclear as to whether it was sexual, but most think it was a loving and close relationship. Perhaps suggesting that (if sex didn't come into it) homosexual relationships were fine.

[GrimHams]

This is my opinion, after all most questions are opinion based.

 

 

 

I did say I THINK its Wrong, but also mentioned that God has made all kinds of people, Good and bad. Never said anything about them other then they complain that the dont get enough respect. They have parades all day, isn't that enough..

 

It's that kind of attitude I'm questioning. Somehow, you feel homosexuals doesn't deserve to be at the same level in society as heterosexuals are. It's fine you have that opinion, but I want to at least provide an insight into what brought you to that opinion.

 

 

 

I think he sees this the way i see feminists today, they have whats acceptable but still want more. Hell its like f2p and members in runescape. :lol: The thing is, with minorities they feel threatened by a large majority not agreeing with their beliefs and try to "rise above" everyone elses evil and thats where we get gay pride parades and campaigning for more rights than anyone else.

[PaperClipsYaaaar]

I think the only way you could change someones mind about homosexuality being a sin or not is by refering back to the Bible and pointing out the passages there. The only passage which is really worthwhile citing as biblical proof that it "condemns" homosexuality is Pauls writings. Yet Pauls credibility really isn't much to boast about what with his contradictions of earlier wirtings from the Old Testament and even more ambiguity about the author of 'his' work. As well as clear sexism in his writings. But of course picking and choosing still continues because I doubt any Christian still follows what Paul wrote regarding that issue.

 

Yes, and Sodom got destroyed because of rape, not homosexuality.

[Satenza]

I think the only way you could change someones mind about homosexuality being a sin or not is by refering back to the Bible and pointing out the passages there. The only passage which is really worthwhile citing as biblical proof that it "condemns" homosexuality is Pauls writings. Yet Pauls credibility really isn't much to boast about what with his contradictions of earlier wirtings from the Old Testament and even more ambiguity about the author of 'his' work. As well as clear sexism in his writings. But of course picking and choosing still continues because I doubt any Christian still follows what Paul wrote regarding that issue.

 

Yes, and Sodom got destroyed because of rape, not homosexuality.

 

 

 

Not just rape, the villagers were just all round [wagons] to people.

[wakka102]

It's perfectly fine to be homosexual in my book. I don't see a problem with it. I've hung out with plenty of homosexual people and there just fine. I even work with a few at my job and there really nice.

 

 

 

to anyone who says homosexuality is a choice, its not. Do you honestly think that these people want to be constantly persecuted by others? I'm sure if most where given a choice they would choose to be straight just so they can fit in and not cause problems. It's absolutely not a choice. There are mental ties to it from when you are younger, it has something to do with how you are raised. Just let them be and don't be jerks to them and they won't bother you.

[Sumpta]

I think it's sad that this question can generate 15 pages of discussion in this day and age. How in the world can anyone maintain that it's "wrong"? These people are struggling to find a place in society and not be looked down upon, because of the simple fact that they like people of their one sex better. Ever since the tight grip of religion, they have struggled with guilt and persecution, resulting in squashing their feelings, to the pain and detriment of all parties involved. Just think of the many women married to gay men, resulting in awful marriages. The horror...

 

 

 

For the life of me, I don't understand why people feel threatened by homosexuals.

[The Real ET]

I think the only way you could change someones mind about homosexuality being a sin or not is by refering back to the Bible and pointing out the passages there. The only passage which is really worthwhile citing as biblical proof that it "condemns" homosexuality is Pauls writings. Yet Pauls credibility really isn't much to boast about what with his contradictions of earlier wirtings from the Old Testament and even more ambiguity about the author of 'his' work. As well as clear sexism in his writings. But of course picking and choosing still continues because I doubt any Christian still follows what Paul wrote regarding that issue.

 

 

 

Oh, and I'd also like to point out the relationship between David and Jonathan. Unclear as to whether it was sexual, but most think it was a loving and close relationship. Perhaps suggesting that (if sex didn't come into it) homosexual relationships were fine.

 

 

 

It's in Leviticus too. Here's a quote from King James Verison as written on Bible.com

 

 

 

13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

(For those who don't understand, if two men have sex they should be killed.)

 

 

 

Looking at the rest of Leviticus, you can't use all of what's in there as later passages in the Bible condradict it and a lot of it are outdated rules for life (usually to stop incest) that are strict and asuming that everything to do with nakedness is sin. >.< Also, Leviticus is the typical wrathful god book of the bible and (if it's the Christian version) is mostly ruled out by Jesus' death and God's suddenly change of heart to pure love.

 

I do agree with the whole Paul thing.

 

Overall, the places in the Bible (at least the only ones I've ever found) are from the places that are most seeming to have been tainted by man.

 

 

 

I think it's sad that this question can generate 15 pages of discussion in this day and age. How in the world can anyone maintain that it's "wrong"? These people are struggling to find a place in society and not be looked down upon, because of the simple fact that they like people of their one sex better. Ever since the tight grip of religion, they have struggled with guilt and persecution, resulting in squashing their feelings, to the pain and detriment of all parties involved. Just think of the many women married to gay men, resulting in awful marriages. The horror...

 

 

 

For the life of me, I don't understand why people feel threatened by homosexuals.

 

 

 

In this day and age I find that to be an extremely narrow-minded view. I can easily understand why people don't like it and feel threatened. Religion is, has, and always will be an incredibly powerful and dominant factor in everything us humans ever do. I don't like it either, but I can understand it and if you can't understand the opposite side of the argument you can't effectively argue your side (what's the exact quote for that, I can't remember it).

[Sumpta]

I think it's sad that this question can generate 15 pages of discussion in this day and age. How in the world can anyone maintain that it's "wrong"? These people are struggling to find a place in society and not be looked down upon, because of the simple fact that they like people of their one sex better. Ever since the tight grip of religion, they have struggled with guilt and persecution, resulting in squashing their feelings, to the pain and detriment of all parties involved. Just think of the many women married to gay men, resulting in awful marriages. The horror...

 

 

 

For the life of me, I don't understand why people feel threatened by homosexuals.

 

 

 

In this day and age I find that to be an extremely narrow-minded view. I can easily understand why people don't like it and feel threatened.

 

 

 

Mmkay. Why? Why are people threatened?

 

 

 

Do gay people murder, pillage and rape?

 

Do gay people make the streets unsafe?

 

Do gay people steal our jobs?

 

Do gay people make us alter our lives in any way?

 

 

 

I don't see how religion should be reason enough to ban a group of people from society or look down on them. In the case of christianity, it is all but a christian thought to do so. Did not Jesus always stand up for the minorities? Heathens, prostitutes and leppers? Why should he have excluded homosexuals? Feeling threatened by homsexuality is not inherent to the religion itself, it is part of a human policy to maintain power. As such, no I cannot understand its continuing influence on society. Then again, I do live in a country where religion and politics are separated.

[The Real ET]

I think it's sad that this question can generate 15 pages of discussion in this day and age. How in the world can anyone maintain that it's "wrong"? These people are struggling to find a place in society and not be looked down upon, because of the simple fact that they like people of their one sex better. Ever since the tight grip of religion, they have struggled with guilt and persecution, resulting in squashing their feelings, to the pain and detriment of all parties involved. Just think of the many women married to gay men, resulting in awful marriages. The horror...

 

 

 

For the life of me, I don't understand why people feel threatened by homosexuals.

 

 

 

In this day and age I find that to be an extremely narrow-minded view. I can easily understand why people don't like it and feel threatened.

 

 

 

Mmkay. Why? Why are people threatened?

 

 

 

Do gay people murder, pillage and rape?

 

Do gay people make the streets unsafe?

 

Do gay people steal our jobs?

 

Do gay people make us alter our lives in any way?

 

 

 

I don't see how religion should be reason enough to ban a group of people from society or look down on them. In the case of christianity, it is all but a christian thought to do so. Did not Jesus always stand up for the minorities? Heathens, prostitutes and leppers? Why should he have excluded homosexuals? Feeling threatened by homsexuality is not inherent to the religion itself, it is part of a human policy to maintain power. As such, no I cannot understand its continuing influence on society. Then again, I do live in a country where religion and politics are separated.

 

 

 

You live in a country where religion and politics are seperated? Where is that? I wanna move there. :D

 

 

 

Anyway, homosexuality is seen as an evil thing and that homosexuals "spread" their homosexuality to others (Been hearing those debates about homosexual couples adopting?). Thusly, homosexuality is seen as a threat to the religion, and allowing homosexuals to be free and have all the rights as hetrosexuals is seen as attacking Christianity. Not all Christians are like that, mind you, but it's the ones who have power who are like that and they are usually the ones in government. In the words of Gandhi:

 

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

 

Many Christians (not all) don't live the way Christ wanted them to live.

[warri0r45]

If you are of the belief that acting on urges programmed into us and not chosen is a no-no either ever or until a specific point in time, then so be it. I'd see something such as that as horridly illogical and counter-intuitive but whatever floats your boat.

 

 

 

Did you NOT read the murder example?

 

 

 

Firstly, how is murder in any way logically comparable to homosexuality in terms of how they harm society? Murder takes life away. Homosexuality and being accepted as such allows those with such tendancies to live happier lives.

 

 

 

Aside from that, what purpose are biological urges to kill if such an act is a sin? The whole concept of god inclining a human to sin through our inherent biological nature and then sending us to hell if we don't repent for the way he made us is at minimum illogical and at maximum sickening and sadistic to me.

 

 

 

Aside from that, feel free to tell me what I'm missing or ignoring in the murder example.

 

 

 

Edit: Just to make sure, the purpose of my debating in this topic recently is much more focused on showing that it's not a choice, as you already know. The fact that you believe that acting on homosexual urges is wrong is up to you to decide but I may question that at a later date to see how you justify such a belief.

[Guest]

I'm not asking you to prove an opinion is right. If you've only just realised you can't prove an opinion to be right, then you're a bit behind. No opinion is ever right, however, I'm challenging your opinion. You seem to be implying that homosexuality is actually something you have control over. Just as you've asked us to give credible sources, I am asking you to do the same for your theory. Again, just because you have a religious side to your argument doesn't mean it's valid without your own sources.

 

 

 

Wait..Wait...Am I reading this right? Your telling me I'M A BIT BEHIND?! Geez, seriously!

 

 

 

Firstly the bolded text. You state that my religious perspective on issues isn't valid unless I've got my own sources. What do you want God's homepage? His Blog? Just one sec I'll go and have a quick search on Google to find some adequate sources on the internet to prove my belief correct. By the way, while I'm at it I'll have a quick search for Buddha's Website, whereby I'll also prove Buddhism correct, just for a special child such as you! :roll:

 

 

 

As stated, morals and beliefs - have NOTHING to do with Science and neither should someone have to prove that their beliefs are correct. ITS NOT POSSIBLE! THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERING PERSPECTIVES ON VALUES AND MORALS IN SOCIETY!

 

 

 

Challenge my opinion by all means, like Bluelancer and Warrior do (and concerning your post - you don't challenge my beliefs, you simply think up irrelevant crap and try to find some flaw in my personal opinion. You seriously fail in soooo many ways).

 

 

 

And for the record, talking about serious contradictions. Here's 2 quotes from just the above paragraph I quoted.

 

 

 

I'm not asking you to prove an opinion is right. If you've only just realised you can't prove an opinion to be right, then you're a bit behind.

 

 

 

Just as you've asked us to give credible sources, I am asking you to do the same for your theory. Again, just because you have a religious side to your argument doesn't mean it's valid without your own sources.

 

 

 

So a personal opinion can't be valid unless I provide factual sources, yet in your first quote you say that nobody can prove an opinion to be right. Good One Einstein! Trust me, Good contradiction! I'm starting to wonder if even you know what you're talking about.