Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[Veiva]

Flame and hatemongering removed - EDIT

 

 

 

How are you comparing murder to homosexuality? Because, a child won't come out of the union of same-sex couple in love? Is that it?

[THEMASKEDMAN52]

I think it would be better to have gay or lesbian parents. They'd be teaching the kid(s) tolerance. Not to say heterosexuals don't, but not all heterosexuals do. In nature many animals are raised by neither parent. And they can be masculine, feminine, gay, lesbian, even transsexual.

 

 

 

I know plenty of adopted children with two moms or two dads, and one with a transsexual mother. Last I checked they were all straight, avid partakers in their community, church goers, and very very stable.

 

 

 

I don't think it would be any better to have homosexual parents. But I don't think it would be any worse either. As far as I'm aware, people's parenting skills are not affected by their sexual preferences (unless of course they stray into the realms of paedophilia, but that isn't the issue here). Think about it, you're saying that you would make a better parent than me because you're homosexual and I'm not. I know that's probably not what you meant, but I think your use of the term "better" may have been an unwise decision.

 

 

 

People should be regarded as individuals and not be judged by their sexuality.

 

 

 

What I meant to say is I'd make a better parent then anyone who's homophobic or preaching intolerance. I didn't mean to say I'm any better, being gay I don't deserve special treatment (I already hate that other minorities get it now), but I was more-so referring that straight and gay couples combined (as well as bi, transgender, transsexual, etc), who teach tolerance are better parents. But then again, I'm not saying this is true for all gay parents, because it's not, some people preach intolerance against straights, or bi people, or transgenders, or transsexuals, which is all equally wrong.

 

 

 

Sorry if it came off wrong.

[Will H]

I think that same-sex parenting is absoloutely fine, and should be dealt with exactly as a different couple also wanting to adopt a child. As long as they are deemed good potential parents, they can adopt the kid.

 

 

 

I only really have a problem with homosexuality when they start to get involved in other people. This rule also applies to religion for me too.

 

What I don't like is things like gay/lesbian rights parades, because it certainly seems to me as attention seeking. Just give them the same status as any straight guy/girl, be done with it, and shut up.

 

 

 

I'm a Christian, and I don't think that homosexuality is "right", but I keep with my personal code of conduct. Do what you think is right, but don't push your beliefs and ways of life on other people.

[Defender2516]

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No what the hell are you talking about. How can you relate something like "killing a few people" and low scale homosexuality. Killing people - damage and harm done, being gay - no damage and harm done. Stop using this analogy because it makes no sense.

 

 

 

Oh look, my posts was deleted, inspite the fact that every other rude individual gets to keep theres. Its not suprise to me tho.

 

 

 

I'm done talking with kids, have a nice day Satenza because you always miss the point. Enjoy your little talks here.

 

 

 

~Defender~

[The Dark Lord]

The two homosexuals I know of turned out to be straight so I'd rather not express my opinion :lol:

 

 

 

I thought you were permanently banned for posting porn on this site...

[Satenza]

Flame and hatemongering removed, EDIT

 

 

 

No what the hell are you talking about. How can you relate something like "killing a few people" and low scale homosexuality. Killing people - damage and harm done, being gay - no damage and harm done. Stop using this analogy because it makes no sense.

 

 

 

Oh look, my posts was deleted, inspite the fact that every other rude individual gets to keep theres. Its not suprise to me tho.

 

 

 

I'm done talking with kids, have a nice day Satenza because you always miss the point. Enjoy your little talks here.

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

Im afraid you didn't make an analogy that made sense. Attack the argument not the person Defender, I have not insulted you in this thread. I'd like it if you treated me with that respect in the future.

[Diesel]

I have a gay friend. I see nothing wrong with him being gay, as long as he knows his boundaries and the fact that I'm straight. Why should someone's sexual orientation prevent me from hanging out with him/her??

 

 

 

I suppose as a Catholic I should probably have something against homosexuals, but I personally feel that homosexuality is ok to a certain degree. The only thing that I will not tolerate are homosexuals getting married in Christian Churches. Jesus may not have said anything about homosexuality, but Holy Matrimony is a union between a man and a woman. Now if a homosexual couple wants to get married outside the Christian religion, to be considered legally married, I have no problem with that.

 

 

 

In the case of homosexual parents, I don't have a problem with that either. As long as they can be deemed effective parents, why not? Javier Valentin, a catcher for the Cincinnati Reds was raised by a lesbian couple.

[guss]

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Because, unlike rabbits, I don't believe the sole purpose of a human life is to produce more humans. Heck, the planet is polluting and running out of resources because so many of us suckers are running around. Give the world 12 billion people in a few decades... Give the people of the world hell.

 

 

 

Keeping our race going is an extremely important thing, so i'd say yes, children are perhaps the most important thing anyone can do in life. The fact is, not all heterosexual people have children, but no gay people do. They're not giving back to the civilisation that they live in as far as keeping it alive.

 

 

 

Many of the homosexual animals use surrogated mothers or fathers. Problem solved.

 

 

 

My main problem with homosexuality is when a gay couple tries to raise children. A child raised in the ideal environment has a mother and a father. Not two mothers or two fathers. Having a mother and father figure is somthing that, ideally everyone should have.

 

On another point, I don't think that the world is getting overpopulated. Many of the problems in Africa are not caused by overpopualtion. It is bad/corrupt leadership that leads to poverty. I dont think that food is a problem either. America's farms produce enough food to theoretically feed the world. I mean seriously, the human race is not like a plague of rats that needs to be controlled.

 

 

 

I was raised soley by my mother, I turned out fine.

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Yeah, I mean one of my friends' mum is a lesbian, and he's turned out fine. His father's been in his life, so he's had a male influence, but not as much as most kids.

 

 

 

My friends parrents are both queer, he turned out "fine", were all ways joking about it.

[guss]

Because, unlike rabbits, I don't believe the sole purpose of a human life is to produce more humans. Heck, the planet is polluting and running out of resources because so many of us suckers are running around. Give the world 12 billion people in a few decades... Give the people of the world hell.

 

 

 

Keeping our race going is an extremely important thing, so i'd say yes, children are perhaps the most important thing anyone can do in life. The fact is, not all heterosexual people have children, but no gay people do. They're not giving back to the civilisation that they live in as far as keeping it alive.

 

 

 

Many of the homosexual animals use surrogated mothers or fathers. Problem solved.

 

 

 

My main problem with homosexuality is when a gay couple tries to raise children. A child raised in the ideal environment has a mother and a father. Not two mothers or two fathers. Having a mother and father figure is somthing that, ideally everyone should have.

 

 

 

Technically, that's a point against homosexuals having children and not against homosexuality.

 

 

 

Would you see any problem in two homosexuals not adopting children into thier family and rather just acting on thier feelings for one another in a controlled, unharmful and consenting manner?

 

 

 

JUst because people can be queer, dosnt mean they act steriotypicly(not atchual spelling) Guys can be in a girls role in plays ya, and girls in guys, correct, that how some queer parrents act, with out wearing drag all the time...

[meol]

I have a gay friend. I see nothing wrong with him being gay, as long as he knows his boundaries and the fact that I'm straight. Why should someone's sexual orientation prevent me from hanging out with him/her??

 

 

 

I suppose as a Catholic I should probably have something against homosexuals, but I personally feel that homosexuality is ok to a certain degree. The only thing that I will not tolerate are homosexuals getting married in Christian Churches. Jesus may not have said anything about homosexuality, but Holy Matrimony is a union between a man and a woman. Now if a homosexual couple wants to get married outside the Christian religion, to be considered legally married, I have no problem with that.

 

 

 

In the case of homosexual parents, I don't have a problem with that either. As long as they can be deemed effective parents, why not? Javier Valentin, a catcher for the Cincinnati Reds was raised by a lesbian couple.

 

 

 

It's nice to see examples where religion-abiding people aren't necessarily close-minded and intolerant. I knew such a generalisation would be wrong.

 

 

 

IMO, if normal, straight parents can have gay sons, why would a kid raised by a gay couple be gay? We'd have to assume, that homosexuality is more about how you are born, and not about how you are raised then. Also, in every case of adoption, there must be a psycological testing of the parent's to proof if the are capable of raising a healthy son, right?

 

 

 

Also, homosexuality doesn't harm anyone, you can't really compare it to murder.

[BlueLancer]

Jesus may not have said anything about homosexuality, but Holy Matrimony is a union between a man and a woman.

 

 

 

I'm not a christian but I've studied christian theology and I totally agree with you. Some gay people do tend to make a huge deal out of getting married in a church, while a lot of gay people can live just fine without having to sign a form and sing praises in a church to "formalize" their relationship.

 

 

 

But then again... Why can gay women and men get married in churches in countries like The Netherlands, South Africa, Canada etc.. But not in other countries like the USA? I'm pretty sure God wont care which country you were born in if you ever meet him.

 

 

 

It's an issue of society, not religion. There are much more close minded and conservative people in power in USA than there are in Holland/SA/Canada and other countries.

 

 

 

One thing struck my eye though:

 

 

 

Now if a homosexual couple wants to get married outside the Christian religion

 

 

 

What if they're devoted christians? They can't force themselves to change their biological behaviour and genes. You can't start eating your own excrement for lunch just because you're told you "must". It's simply impossible, or you'll get depressed and ruin your life.

 

 

 

And as far as I know, according to christian theology God made all humans. A human doesn't choose his/her sexuality, just as they don't choose their skin color, genes, or other factors they can't control.

 

 

 

Trying to change a real gay person straight is like a white person trying to force himself to be physically asian. You can't do it.. To a gay woman/man having sex with the opposite gender is just as gross as 2 people of the same gender having sex is to you.

[Diesel]

 

One thing struck my eye though:

 

 

 

Now if a homosexual couple wants to get married outside the Christian religion

 

 

 

What if they're devoted christians? They can't force themselves to change their biological behaviour and genes. You can't start eating your own excrement for lunch just because you're told you "must". It's simply impossible, or you'll get depressed and ruin your life.

 

 

 

And as far as I know, according to christian theology God made all humans. A human doesn't choose his/her sexuality, just as they don't choose their skin color, genes, or other factors they can't control.

 

 

 

Trying to change a real gay person straight is like a white person trying to force himself to be physically asian. You can't do it.. To a gay woman/man having sex with the opposite gender is just as gross as 2 people of the same gender having sex is to you.

 

 

 

I understand what your trying to say here, but just because they are devoted Christians doesn't mean that they cannot be together. I can say first-hand that I don't follow all of the rules of the Catholic Church. I'm sure that almost everyone doesn't follow ALL of the rules of his/her church. It's almost impossible in today's world. Because of that fact, they don't have to change. They can still follow their religion, but with a couple of adjustments.

 

 

 

God does create every human being. God also calls us all in a different way. Some of us are called to be priests, some are called to get married, and some are sadly called to be single. If it's against the rules of his/her religion to be in their prefered relationship, then I think that they are called to be single (In terms of the Church) This does not mean that they cannot be legally binded. I understand that if they are devot Christians and they feel discouraged by the rules of the Church, but as I said before, they can't be perfect in their faith. Right?

 

 

 

I also feel that the Church shouldn't have such strict policies on homosexuality. They should at least have something celebrating the call from God to live this way....or something to that degree. They wouldn't be considered "married", but at least the Church recognized the love that a man and a man or a woman and a woman can feel for each other. But, as stubborn as the Church is, they always point out the fact that homosexuality is wrong like in the Old Testament (Leviticus 18:22) But those statement are thousands of years old. If we governed the world like the Old Testament, we would all have been dead right now.

[doomy]

It's kinda wrong imo.

 

 

 

If we were meant to be with the same sex, wouldn't we be able to reproduce with them?

 

 

 

My opinion anyway.

 

 

 

Btw, if people didn't think it wrong, would there be so many jokes about it?

[RayOxide]

If we were meant to be with the same sex, wouldn't we be able to reproduce with them?

 

 

 

Now, this is also my opinion, seeing as I am bisexual, so I don't quite care of your stupid bickering and homophobeness.

 

 

 

I don't think 'God' wanted us to be homosexual, I don't think we were susposed to, but some people are attracted to different people due to Furrumones(Sp?) and this is during Puberty. The brain, environment, relatives and friends influence homosexuallity. :)

[forsaken]

It's completely and utterly wrong :uhh:

 

 

 

If we were meant to be with the same sex, wouldn't we be able to reproduce with them?

 

 

 

My opinion anyway.

 

 

 

Btw, if people didn't think it wrong, would there be so many jokes about it?

 

 

 

I don't really see this link between immorality and immaturity that you're trying to draw.

 

 

 

 

 

My question to you is, who - or what - determines what we 'were meant to be'. Secondly, if that which determines what we were meant to be truly does exist, does that not by the same token mean that it was the causative factor behind persons being homosexual?

[doomy]

If we were meant to be with the same sex, wouldn't we be able to reproduce with them?

 

 

 

Now, this is also my opinion, seeing as I am bisexual, so I don't quite care of your stupid bickering and homophobeness.

 

 

 

I don't think 'God' wanted us to be homosexual, I don't think we were susposed to, but some people are attracted to different people due to Furrumones(Sp?) and this is during Puberty. The brain, environment, relatives and friends influence homosexuallity. :)

 

 

 

True, my comment was a little weird, but as you say, friends are inflences, and thats why i believe what i say.

 

 

 

You make a good point.

[Voldmort0]

On a personal opinion, I find it completely outrageous and can't understand how two people of the same could be attracted to each other.

 

But I think as a society of over 6 Billion people, we have to live with such opinions. We need to be open to other things, not only our own opinions and thoughts. If we were all to like the same things, the world wouldn't be the same. Differences is what make the world go round ;)

 

Homosexuality isn't something which we should be deciding if it's right or wrong, we should all just learn to accept it undifferently to our personal opinions.

[warri0r45]

On a personal opinion, I find it completely outrageous and can't understand how two people of the same could be attracted to each other.

 

But I think as a society of over 6 Billion people, we have to live with such opinions. We need to be open to other things, not only our own opinions and thoughts. If we were all to like the same things, the world wouldn't be the same. Differences is what make the world go round ;)

 

Homosexuality isn't something which we should be deciding if it's right or wrong, we should all just learn to accept it undifferently to our personal opinions.

 

 

 

My thoughts exactly. :)

 

 

 

It's the way some people are and is not a controlable position to be in. It's not an issue of right or wrong, it's what is.

[GrimHams]

If you're interested, heres an interesting page on homosexuality and some facts.

 

 

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1502263/posts

 

 

 

Before you imply that im a hater (which many narrow minded people will, these are facts, not my opinion".

[mrmyk]

To be honest, the media and government says they give equal rights for homosexuals now compared to other people and that there is nothing wrong with it but around and about it seems as much of a taboo as ever..

[forsaken]

To be honest, the media and government says they give equal rights for homosexuals now compared to other people and that there is nothing wrong with it but around and about it seems as much of a taboo as ever..

 

 

 

Merely because individuals do not find anything wrong with it does not necessitate comfortability regarding it. Coupled with the fact that homosexuals are a minority, it's unsurprising that some may find it a 'taboo'. What's important to remember is that in the legal sense, the rights of the individual extend insofar as it one does not impugne on the right of the another.

 

 

 

Simply put, we can [generally] do whatever or say whatever we want, so long as we do not injure others or attempt to oppose our own views above others.

[warri0r45]

If you're interested, heres an interesting page on homosexuality and some facts.

 

 

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1502263/posts

 

 

 

Before you imply that im a hater (which many narrow minded people will, these are facts, not my opinion".

 

 

 

Are you aware of the concept of bias?

 

 

 

Tell me, why is it that those expressing conservative Christian views are always Christian sources? Coincidence? Who would've thunk it.

 

 

 

I'd be more than happy to read the very same statistics from a more impartial source.

 

 

 

Note that I'm not suggesting these statistics are wrong. I just happen to much prefer an unassuming mindset as opposed to a pre-concieved one.

[mrmyk]

To be honest, the media and government says they give equal rights for homosexuals now compared to other people and that there is nothing wrong with it but around and about it seems as much of a taboo as ever..

 

 

 

Merely because individuals do not find anything wrong with it does not necessitate comfortability regarding it. Coupled with the fact that homosexuals are a minority, it's unsurprising that some may find it a 'taboo'. What's important to remember is that in the legal sense, the rights of the individual extend insofar as it one does not impugne on the right of the another.

 

 

 

Simply put, we can [generally] do whatever or say whatever we want, so long as we do not injure others or attempt to oppose our own views above others.

 

 

 

Even if homosexuals are the same in a legal right still many people will impose their views on those that are homosexual. It is common in playgrounds that if someone does something stupid or idiotic then he will be called something revolving around the word "gay".

[forsaken]

To be honest, the media and government says they give equal rights for homosexuals now compared to other people and that there is nothing wrong with it but around and about it seems as much of a taboo as ever..

 

 

 

Merely because individuals do not find anything wrong with it does not necessitate comfortability regarding it. Coupled with the fact that homosexuals are a minority, it's unsurprising that some may find it a 'taboo'. What's important to remember is that in the legal sense, the rights of the individual extend insofar as it one does not impugne on the right of the another.

 

 

 

Simply put, we can [generally] do whatever or say whatever we want, so long as we do not injure others or attempt to oppose our own views above others.

 

 

 

Even if homosexuals are the same in a legal right still many people will impose their views on those that are homosexual. It is common in playgrounds that if someone does something stupid or idiotic then he will be called something revolving around the word "gay".

 

 

 

I mentioned something earlier in the thread but on a different response, but I believe it retains relevance here. That is, I do not see the link between immaturity and immorality. Anyway, my point was that people can find something moral whilst they may find it uncomfortable.

 

 

 

I am well aware that there are persons who will impose their on views on homosexuals - but I fail to see how this relates to my earlier post.

[Satenza]

If you're interested, heres an interesting page on homosexuality and some facts.

 

 

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1502263/posts

 

 

 

Before you imply that im a hater (which many narrow minded people will, these are facts, not my opinion".

 

 

 

I'm sure a link from the Catholic Apolgetics Society is going to be completley impartial when discussing things which they already beleive is - by divine word - wrong.