Ahh sorry to be the insensitive b*tch here but cut the crap 'I could have done this' 'my mother could have done that' you can do anything you want, child or no child if you really want something bad enough. Using your kid as an escape goat for why you couldn't or didn't do something is a f*cking cop out.

 

 

 

Sorry but I don't like people who use excuses... You can do anything and I stand by that.

 

 

 

My dad was a street rat with a dream, I was born earlier than expected and he still did it.

 

 

 

I have a mother of 6 children and another one on the way doing my uni course and she is in the top 5% of QLD.

 

 

 

My motto: "No excuses".

Ahh sorry to be the insensitive b*tch here but cut the crap 'I could have done this' 'my mother could have done that' you can do anything you want, child or no child if you really want something bad enough. Using your kid as an escape goat for why you couldn't or didn't do something is a f*cking cop out.

 

 

 

Sorry but I don't like people who use excuses... You can do anything and I stand by that.

 

 

 

My dad was a street rat with a dream, I was born earlier than expected and he still did it.

 

 

 

I have a mother of 6 children and another one on the way doing my uni course and she is in the top 5% of QLD.

 

 

 

My motto: "No excuses".

 

 

 

Thats a pretty damn good motto if I do say so myself.

Could you imagine that? Seriously! "If you weren't born I could have found a cure for cancer".

 

 

 

No wonder you wouldn't care if you weren't here, jeez. You need one of Goddess's super love bug hugs lol

I dont belive abortion should be a choice in teen pregnancy, they made a mistake they should have to deal with it, the baby didnt do anything wrong why should it be denied the right to live because mommy decided to slum around in highschool?

 

 

 

if your not amture enough to raise a child, put it up for a doption so someone who is mature enough to raise it, will.

 

 

 

the people who are saying abortion are usually the same people who are aggainst the death penalty, it makes no sense, they will let a mass murderer live, but not an innocent baby.

 

 

 

The roughly 200 million plus sperm males ejaculate every orgasm didn't do anything wrong, why should they be denied the right to an egg for fertilization because someone choses to pleasure themselves?

 

 

 

did you seriously just make that comparison?

 

 

 

a sperm alone cant become a fetus, rubbing one out is not the same as an abortion.

 

 

 

We're probably not on the same wavelength here. My comparison was between sperm and a zygote (combined sperm and egg). The idea in comparing these two is that some against abortion often cite the zygote as the beginning of life. I want to know why this line in the sand is the one chosen when you can track life's potential back to sperm and eggs and even prior to that. Every of the 50 trillion cells making up you codes for your entire body and thus has a potential to make one 'you'. The argument about life's potential to me dosen't hold much water. With the right tools and an understanding of genetics, I could mix, match and manipulate the genes of a few organisms with various DNA-ases and give you a human being.

 

 

 

Let me take this in a different direction; what's wrong with terminating the life of an unborn foetus not yet with a developed nervous system (i.e relatively early on in the pregnancy) when it's mother hasn't got the financial capacity to care for it. In other words, who's hurt here? Now compare that outcome to the mother refusing an abortion, ending up in financial difficulty and not being able to provide for her baby. Who's hurt here?

 

 

 

In the first scenario the mother has the ability to pursue what she would have otherwise done with her life, which could include any number of careers or ending up as a mother but in a much more financially secure position to provide for her child. In the second scenario the mother is burdened by the child and both mother and child have less opportunity in life than they otherwise could have if the mother had the child while in a financially better position to do so.

Warrior would you like a hug too? :P

I dont belive abortion should be a choice in teen pregnancy, they made a mistake they should have to deal with it, the baby didnt do anything wrong why should it be denied the right to live because mommy decided to slum around in highschool?

 

 

 

if your not amture enough to raise a child, put it up for a doption so someone who is mature enough to raise it, will.

 

 

 

the people who are saying abortion are usually the same people who are aggainst the death penalty, it makes no sense, they will let a mass murderer live, but not an innocent baby.

 

 

 

The roughly 200 million plus sperm males ejaculate every orgasm didn't do anything wrong, why should they be denied the right to an egg for fertilization because someone choses to pleasure themselves?

 

 

 

did you seriously just make that comparison?

 

 

 

a sperm alone cant become a fetus, rubbing one out is not the same as an abortion.

 

 

 

We're probably not on the same wavelength here. My comparison was between sperm and a zygote (combined sperm and egg). The idea in comparing these two is that some against abortion often cite the zygote as the beginning of life. I want to know why this line in the sand is the one chosen when you can track life's potential back to sperm and eggs and even prior to that. Every of the 50 trillion cells making up you codes for your entire body and thus has a potential to make one 'you'. The argument about life's potential to me dosen't hold much water. With the right tools and an understanding of genetics, I could mix, match and manipulate the genes of a few organisms with various DNA-ases and give you a human being.

 

 

 

Let me take this in a different direction; what's wrong with terminating the life of an unborn foetus not yet with a developed nervous system (i.e relatively early on in the pregnancy) when it's mother hasn't got the financial capacity to care for it. In other words, who's hurt here? Now compare that outcome to the mother refusing an abortion, ending up in financial difficulty and not being able to provide for her baby. Who's hurt here?

 

 

 

In the first scenario the mother has the ability to pursue what she would have otherwise done with her life, which could include any number of careers or ending up as a mother but in a much more financially secure position to provide for her child. In the second scenario the mother is burdened by the child and both mother and child have less opportunity in life than they otherwise could have if the mother had the child while in a financially better position to do so.

 

 

 

You present a good argument, but thats where Adoption comes in, if someone is not financial secure enough, or emotionally ready for a baby i dont think an abortion should be the first thing that comes to mind.

 

 

 

I believe there are grey area's where abortions should be considered, like if the mothers health is in danger, or some inbred hick father decided to rape his daughter and get her pregnant.

 

 

 

but if the girl just had sex without a condom and got pregnant she should have to cary the burden of pregnancy as a reminder that if your not ready for a child, then your not ready for unprotected sex.

 

 

 

im not saying keep the child, just put it up for adoption so someone who can provide the proper care for the baby, can.

 

 

 

I just dont believe abortion should be the first thing that comes to someones mind when they find out they are pregnant and arent ready for that kind of responsibility.

Warrior would you like a hug too? :P

 

 

 

Haha, sure. :P

 

 

 

I see what you were saying above and I agree. "No excuses" is a great motto to live by but generally, people do make excuses. My post was going on that generality of what unfortunately often happens. In an ideal world no one would complain and we would all soldier on financial hardship or not and make all our lives awesome.

 

 

 

All I was pointing out was that it's often the case that those who wait to have kids in a more secure setting or happen to have no 'mistakes' have a better chance at success and a fruitful life than those who do have a 'mistake' and go through with the pregnancy. This is one part of the basis for why I'm pro-choice when it comes to something like abortion. Granted I'm assuming these hypothetical outcomes with regards to the situation of mother and child but I feel it's an accurate assumption going by how society works. Fair call?

I dont belive abortion should be a choice in teen pregnancy, they made a mistake they should have to deal with it, the baby didnt do anything wrong why should it be denied the right to live because mommy decided to slum around in highschool?

 

 

 

if your not amture enough to raise a child, put it up for a doption so someone who is mature enough to raise it, will.

 

 

 

the people who are saying abortion are usually the same people who are aggainst the death penalty, it makes no sense, they will let a mass murderer live, but not an innocent baby.

 

 

 

The roughly 200 million plus sperm males ejaculate every orgasm didn't do anything wrong, why should they be denied the right to an egg for fertilization because someone choses to pleasure themselves?

 

 

 

did you seriously just make that comparison?

 

 

 

a sperm alone cant become a fetus, rubbing one out is not the same as an abortion.

 

 

 

We're probably not on the same wavelength here. My comparison was between sperm and a zygote (combined sperm and egg). The idea in comparing these two is that some against abortion often cite the zygote as the beginning of life. I want to know why this line in the sand is the one chosen when you can track life's potential back to sperm and eggs and even prior to that. Every of the 50 trillion cells making up you codes for your entire body and thus has a potential to make one 'you'. The argument about life's potential to me dosen't hold much water. With the right tools and an understanding of genetics, I could mix, match and manipulate the genes of a few organisms with various DNA-ases and give you a human being.

 

 

 

Let me take this in a different direction; what's wrong with terminating the life of an unborn foetus not yet with a developed nervous system (i.e relatively early on in the pregnancy) when it's mother hasn't got the financial capacity to care for it. In other words, who's hurt here? Now compare that outcome to the mother refusing an abortion, ending up in financial difficulty and not being able to provide for her baby. Who's hurt here?

 

 

 

In the first scenario the mother has the ability to pursue what she would have otherwise done with her life, which could include any number of careers or ending up as a mother but in a much more financially secure position to provide for her child. In the second scenario the mother is burdened by the child and both mother and child have less opportunity in life than they otherwise could have if the mother had the child while in a financially better position to do so.

 

 

 

You present a good argument, but thats where Adoption comes in, if someone is not financial secure enough, or emotionally ready for a baby i dont think an abortion should be the first thing that comes to mind.

 

 

 

I believe there are grey area's where abortions should be considered, like if the mothers health is in danger, or some inbred hick father decided to rape his daughter and get her pregnant.

 

 

 

but if the girl just had sex without a condom and got pregnant she should have to cary the burden of pregnancy as a reminder that if your not ready for a child, then your not ready for unprotected sex.

 

 

 

im not saying keep the child, just put it up for adoption so someone who can provide the proper care for the baby, can.

 

 

 

I just dont believe abortion should be the first thing that comes to someones mind when they find out they are pregnant and arent ready for that kind of responsibility.

 

 

 

It's hard to disagree with any of that, so I won't. :P

 

 

 

Adoption is another great option and I'd tend to agree you shouldn't jump straight for abortion. This issue always demands careful consideration and consultancy.

Fair call :P

 

 

 

i wasnt trying to say you were wrong or anything, every has there personal views on pretty much everything, mine is just abortion shouldnt be a top priority.

 

 

 

 

 

silly teens, having sex without birth control lol

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: I think we just killed the thread lol

ok well alot of you ppl here seem to say get an abortion well its hard to say that unless it was you and your gf having a baby at such a young age now i know am a young dad and when i made my mistake i couldnt just get rid of it i told my gf and she said them same out familys didnt wanna know cause we where 13 but i know i did the right thing.

 

 

 

p.s sorry for bad spelling didnt go to school much cause as u know i had to bring up a baby

Fair call :P

 

 

 

i wasnt trying to say you were wrong or anything, every has there personal views on pretty much everything, mine is just abortion shouldnt be a top priority.

 

 

 

 

 

silly teens, having sex without birth control lol

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: I think we just killed the thread lol

 

 

 

Haha, people are probably shocked that two people on opposite sides of the religion fence agree on an issue, especially one as contentious as abortion (assuming you're a christain, sorry if I'm wrong).

My oppinion would be dont get pregnant... :?

 

 

 

Am I supposed to be supportive of it or something?

Fair call :P

 

 

 

i wasnt trying to say you were wrong or anything, every has there personal views on pretty much everything, mine is just abortion shouldnt be a top priority.

 

 

 

 

 

silly teens, having sex without birth control lol

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: I think we just killed the thread lol

 

 

 

Haha, people are probably shocked that two people on opposite sides of the religion fence agree on an issue, especially one as contentious as abortion (assuming you're a christain, sorry if I'm wrong).

 

 

 

 

 

Lol i dont know if they would be more shocked that two people on different sides on an issue are agreeing, or that 2 people on a runescape message board have the maturity to have a discussion like this and tthen be able to agree to disagree in a amture way :P

 

 

 

and yeah, im a christian, but a christian who questions certain aspects of his religion. Not to dwell on it very much, but i find the bible to be more of a book of guidlines of how we should live, than a history book.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: wow my spelling and grammer are atrocious right now, im gonna go to bed now :P

ok well alot of you ppl here seem to say get an abortion well its hard to say that unless it was you and your gf having a baby at such a young age now i know am a young dad and when i made my mistake i couldnt just get rid of it i told my gf and she said them same out familys didnt wanna know cause we where 13 but i know i did the right thing.

 

 

 

p.s sorry for bad spelling didnt go to school much cause as u know i had to bring up a baby

 

 

 

But don't worry kids, he dropped out of school at 15 to buy 2 houses and earn over 300k a year.

 

 

 

How did you manage that, by the way jay? Sell your story to a soap opera?

ok well alot of you ppl here seem to say get an abortion well its hard to say that unless it was you and your gf having a baby at such a young age now i know am a young dad and when i made my mistake i couldnt just get rid of it i told my gf and she said them same out familys didnt wanna know cause we where 13 but i know i did the right thing.

 

 

 

p.s sorry for bad spelling didnt go to school much cause as u know i had to bring up a baby

 

 

 

But don't worry kids, he dropped out of school at 15 to buy 2 houses and earn over 300k a year.

 

 

 

How did you manage that, by the way jay? Sell your story to a soap opera?

 

 

 

He became a rapper for Channel U.

both my homes are 4 bed rooms and worth alot of cash plus what the heck is the ghettos i live in the uk liverpool

 

 

 

A Ghetto is Basicly a Place where alot of Black/ White people hang around they call them selfs "Gangsters" They Shoot people, rob stores, All the [cabbage] man, I think they live in flats as well Not sure.

 

 

 

Due to todays new look a Ghetto now has a false meaning, which you just described. A Ghetto is an area where the poorest people live, low income housing and all that crap.

Buying houses was easier back in the day, most people with degrees and two incomes still cant afford a house these days. But yeah, more details needed on this person story...

i didnt say nothink about i get 300k a year and i didnt say nothink about dropping out of school thats how old i was when i finished school so dont go make out am sum silly lil kid that makes stuff up you dont know nothink about me and what i do am prob older than you and why should i go into my life all i was saying is dont keep going on about abortion to you know how it feels. any way this will be the last time i post on this topic cause it seems most of you just wanna diss me

But don't worry kids, he dropped out of school at 15 to buy 2 houses and earn over 300k a year.

 

 

 

How did you manage that, by the way jay? Sell your story to a soap opera?

 

 

 

I don't mean to spill my guts here but I don't mind; maybe it will be beneficial for people to know my story.

 

 

 

I understand that some - most stories can be complete, utter bull sh*t, however, in all seriousness, sometimes there is honesty involved.

 

 

 

My dad was on the street from 8/9 years old and has lived his dream for the past 30 years. I didn't even know who my father was until I was a teenager because he worked so hard for his dream and to put food in my mouth.

 

 

 

I only remember saying goodnight and then goodnight again the next night for the next 13 years. My only memory to the age of 10 apart from that was a kiss to the forehead; and an, I love you sweet dreams and sometimes a quick bed time story. I remember all my birthdays though because dad made sure he had 13 days off each 13 years to be there for them.

 

 

 

I never fully understood for the following 3 years why he never had the time to see me do a back flip on the trampoline just like a yellow power ranger or build a cubby house out of the linen cupboard blankets, why he didn't know who the samurai pizza cats were but somehow all the pictures I drew made it to the top of the refrigerator with "I'm proud of you, love daddy xo" made it there.

 

 

 

However, is the best dad I could ever ask for? (And majority of the time he relies on my two brothers and I, to help him with spelling and grammar because he never had the opportunity to finish high school yet alone start it, he learnt everything he knew from reading dictionaries and encyclopaedias).

 

 

 

I mean f*ck he raised three kids with no less than university level education and the youngest kid already owns a car and is investing for a house.

 

 

 

He is someone who went from becoming a ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅnobodyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

If you have a child before you can assure you'll be making enough money to afford it in the future, it was either an accident, or an act of plain stupidity. Having a child at 15, 16, 17 will probably screw up your life. You'll probably have to stay home to take care of it instead of going to college/university and starting a career that will bring you enough money to take care of it..

If you have a child before you can assure you'll be making enough money to afford it in the future, it was either an accident, or an act of plain stupidity. Having a child at 15, 16, 17 will probably screw up your life. You'll probably have to stay home to take care of it instead of going to college/university and starting a career that will bring you enough money to take care of it..

 

 

 

Sometimes kids can be born unexpectedly but if you ever call a kid an accident or tell them that they're an act of stupidity, I swear I will kick your arse myself.

I know a girl who got pregnet and had an abortion like 2 months later at age 14. :|

 

 

 

I'd say... I'm not sure, because my mother had me when she was 18. :|

Anyway, on a much lighter and happier note I'm 21 turning 22 and currently trying to conceive.

 

 

 

When I do, there will be one GIANT thread \ :D :D :D

i didnt say nothink about i get 300k a year and i didnt say nothink about dropping out of school thats how old i was when i finished school so dont go make out am sum silly lil kid that makes stuff up you dont know nothink about me and what i do am prob older than you and why should i go into my life all i was saying is dont keep going on about abortion to you know how it feels. any way this will be the last time i post on this topic cause it seems most of you just wanna diss me

 

Wow, that's a lot of words for: "I've been found out".

ffs what is your prob found out for what atleast i have a family and kids and am finished with this so if u wanna carry on calling me whatever you want to thats up to you