The meaning of this thread is to see if people on Tip.It agree with some of the following things I disagree with;

 

 

 

1. Homework.

 

2. The need for seperate Schools (High School & Primary School)

 

3. Being forced into College / University by parents or relitives (IT HAPPENS)

 

4. Going to College / University to party, and not to study.

 

 

 

So to the point, I will say what I think;

 

 

 

Homework. What's the use of it? We go to school numerous hours a day, and we still get work to do at home, this is meant to be our time. Our fun time. Not more work. The older you are, the worse this gets. It's hard enough if you have a part time job, or not very smart. If they want us to do 'Homework' they should just make us stay at school longer.

 

 

 

The need for seperate Schools. What's the use of this? Costs more money to transfer? I do acknowledge that some Schools do infact have Juniour Primary - Primary - High School, but whyare there Schools that cut it at a year? Bullying purposes? Just stupid? Or Maturity purposes?

 

 

 

Being forced into College / University. Some people would feel pressure from relatives to go to College / Uni because they did, they want their offspring to be smart, or just because they want to waste money? I remember reading a study that majority of the people that get pushed into College / Uni do bad, or just don't do anything.

 

 

 

Going to College / University to party, and not to study. Well numerous things happen here, some people that are forced into College / Uni waste their relatives' money by partying, getting drunk, and stoned. But have a great time :wink: . Although they have a good time there's no use for it.

 

 

 

Anyway, to the discussion. And remember, this is all ... My Opinion.

Homework. What's the use of it? We go to school numerous hours a day, and we still get work to do at home, this is meant to be our time. Our fun time. Not more work. The older you are, the worse this gets. It's hard enough if you have a part time job, or not very smart. If they want us to do 'Homework' they should just make us stay at school longer.

 

 

 

I don't like doing it. But teachers give it to us so that we don't forget what we learnt during class and get us thinking outside the classroom.

 

 

 

The need for seperate Schools. What's the use of this? Costs more money to transfer? I do acknowledge that some Schools do infact have Juniour Primary - Primary - High School, but whyare there Schools that cut it at a year? Bullying purposes? Just stupid? Or Maturity purposes?

 

 

 

School isn't big enough to accomodate all the kids?

 

 

 

Being forced into College / University. Some people would feel pressure from relatives to go to College / Uni because they did, they want their offspring to be smart, or just because they want to waste money? I remember reading a study that majority of the people that get pushed into College / Uni do bad, or just don't do anything.

 

 

 

When I have kids I will be pushing them to get an apprenticeship, earn money straight away so that they don't have to leech off me for years to come.

 

 

 

Going to College / University to party, and not to study. Well numerous things happen here, some people that are forced into College / Uni waste their relatives' money by partying, getting drunk, and stoned. But have a great time :wink: . Although they have a good time there's no use for it.

 

 

 

Uni is a place to party. After Uni you will have a job which means less party time. So why not have fun during the best time of your life?

School isn't big enough to accomodate all the kids?

 

 

 

Yes, but if they didn't build a High School / Primary School, there would be more room by making a second / third (Etc) Storie, longer... And you live in Australia, and would know that we have a loss in land for houses.

 

 

 

I don't like doing it. But teachers give it to us so that we don't forget what we learnt during class and get us thinking outside the classroom

We think outside the classroom, we use Literature, and mathematics everyday, and nearly every minute.

 

 

 

When I have kids I will be pushing them to get an apprenticeship, earn money straight away so that they don't have to leech off me for years to come.

 

 

 

Ever thought about what they might want to do in their life? Controlling them is the incorrect thing. They should be able to make their own decisions. Being 18-20 at that time.

I suppose you can link 3 and 4 together, because if parents make their son/daughter go to college, and they dont want to go there, then they may just want to party because they are bored, and dont want to do the course.

 

Homework. What's the use of it? We go to school numerous hours a day, and we still get work to do at home, this is meant to be our time. Our fun time. Not more work. The older you are, the worse this gets. It's hard enough if you have a part time job, or not very smart. If they want us to do 'Homework' they should just make us stay at school longer.

Homework is supposed to be work from school, which hasn't been done. Or it can be used for the next days lesson, and see if you were paying attention to todays lesson.

 

 

 

The need for seperate Schools. What's the use of this? Costs more money to transfer? I do acknowledge that some Schools do infact have Juniour Primary - Primary - High School, but whyare there Schools that cut it at a year? Bullying purposes? Just stupid? Or Maturity purposes?

I don't live in 1 year schools areas. :\ K-5 Is elementary. 6-8 is Middle school. 9-12 is Highschool.

 

 

 

Being forced into College / University. Some people would feel pressure from relatives to go to College / Uni because they did, they want their offspring to be smart, or just because they want to waste money? I remember reading a study that majority of the people that get pushed into College / Uni do bad, or just don't do anything.

Well I hope I don't do horrible in College. My grandparents want me to be "As smart as you can be" :roll: It's funny how they expected me to get honor roll (Which I do) and do all this crap they force me to do. Ug. I guess I'll have to wait 4 more years and I'm off...

 

The need for seperate Schools. What's the use of this? Costs more money to transfer? I do acknowledge that some Schools do infact have Juniour Primary - Primary - High School, but whyare there Schools that cut it at a year? Bullying purposes? Just stupid? Or Maturity purposes?

 

 

 

 

well, I'd hate to have little [cabbage]s running around in the same place as me. It's bad enough with the year 7's and 8's etc.

 

 

 

For all the rest, i agree with jemathonical.

I prettymuch agree with jemathonical, too. What grade/type of classes do you take?

 

 

 

Homework is work you do at home. Theres simply not enough time to do some things or learn certain aspects of ___ in a classroom. So the teacher gives you the premise, and you work alone/with friends to learn the rest

 

 

 

As for the split school thing, im not sure what you're talking about. We have middle/high schools for size reasons. A couple years ago our elementary school took off 6th grade and put it into middle school (so it would be 1-5 to 6-8) just because our elementary schools couldn't fit them all

 

 

 

And people get pressured into college because people out of college simply have a much, much larger chance at getting a job and making more money. Parents can't really do much if their kid parties all the time and [bleep]s up. Not really a problem for those who want to not suck at life

I prettymuch agree with jemathonical, too. What grade/type of classes do you take?

 

 

 

Homework is work you do at home. Theres simply not enough time to do some things or learn certain aspects of ___ in a classroom. So the teacher gives you the premise, and you work alone/with friends to learn the rest

 

 

 

1. I'm in my last year of primary school as I am 13

 

 

 

2. That's why I said -

 

 

 

Homework. What's the use of it? We go to school numerous hours a day, and we still get work to do at home, this is meant to be our time. Our fun time. Not more work. The older you are, the worse this gets. It's hard enough if you have a part time job, or not very smart. If they want us to do 'Homework' they should just make us stay at school longer.

 

 

 

Homework is supposed to be work from school, which hasn't been done. Or it can be used for the next days lesson, and see if you were paying attention to todays lesson.

 

 

 

At some schools, we just have homework. I mean, I think if you don't finish the work at school, you should do it at home. But, not if it's given to you for no particular reason.

 

 

 

I don't live in 1 year schools areas. :\ K-5 Is elementary. 6-8 is Middle school. 9-12 is Highschool.

 

 

 

Yeah, in Australia, (S.A. atleast) Our schools are Reception - Year 7 --- Year 8 - Year 12. (Reception is like year 0 for people that don't know =p)

Homework - purely a reinforcement measure; you learn in school, you have a break of a few hours (or days) and then practice it again, thus reinforcing the lesson of helping you become more prepared for the next lesson. In English Lit for example this year my homework for Shakespeare was to read relevant acts - had we done this in school we would have wasted SO much time with slower readers etc.

 

 

 

Seperate schools - Keeps sizes down, staff can be more specifically trained for the age range they are dealing with - teachers in particular and its probably easier administration wise.

 

 

 

University - I don't see any reason why not to go to university - its certainly not unaffordable (where I live) and it improves your mind (always a good thing) but if you really don't want to its your own fault if you get pressured into it - just stand up for yourself.

 

 

 

Partying at uni - Life isn't all work ya know :D provided you do it in moderation and don't let it affect your work I see no problem with the odd party. If you do screw up at uni it is entirely your own loss - their problem.

Homework. What's the use of it? We go to school numerous hours a day, and we still get work to do at home, this is meant to be our time. Our fun time. Not more work. The older you are, the worse this gets. It's hard enough if you have a part time job, or not very smart. If they want us to do 'Homework' they should just make us stay at school longer.

 

 

 

I don't like doing it. But teachers give it to us so that we don't forget what we learnt during class and get us thinking outside the classroom.

 

 

 

The need for seperate Schools. What's the use of this? Costs more money to transfer? I do acknowledge that some Schools do infact have Juniour Primary - Primary - High School, but whyare there Schools that cut it at a year? Bullying purposes? Just stupid? Or Maturity purposes?

 

 

 

School isn't big enough to accomodate all the kids?

 

 

 

Being forced into College / University. Some people would feel pressure from relatives to go to College / Uni because they did, they want their offspring to be smart, or just because they want to waste money? I remember reading a study that majority of the people that get pushed into College / Uni do bad, or just don't do anything.

 

 

 

When I have kids I will be pushing them to get an apprenticeship, earn money straight away so that they don't have to leech off me for years to come.

 

 

 

Going to College / University to party, and not to study. Well numerous things happen here, some people that are forced into College / Uni waste their relatives' money by partying, getting drunk, and stoned. But have a great time :wink: . Although they have a good time there's no use for it.

 

 

 

Uni is a place to party. After Uni you will have a job which means less party time. So why not have fun during the best time of your life?

 

 

 

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Everything is correct!:P

 

 

 

If you dont party in unvi/college you are a l0za!

 

Homework. What's the use of it? We go to school numerous hours a day, and we still get work to do at home, this is meant to be our time. Our fun time. Not more work. The older you are, the worse this gets. It's hard enough if you have a part time job, or not very smart. If they want us to do 'Homework' they should just make us stay at school longer.

 

 

 

The need for seperate Schools. What's the use of this? Costs more money to transfer? I do acknowledge that some Schools do infact have Juniour Primary - Primary - High School, but whyare there Schools that cut it at a year? Bullying purposes? Just stupid? Or Maturity purposes?

 

 

 

Being forced into College / University. Some people would feel pressure from relatives to go to College / Uni because they did, they want their offspring to be smart, or just because they want to waste money? I remember reading a study that majority of the people that get pushed into College / Uni do bad, or just don't do anything.

 

 

 

Going to College / University to party, and not to study. Well numerous things happen here, some people that are forced into College / Uni waste their relatives' money by partying, getting drunk, and stoned. But have a great time :wink: . Although they have a good time there's no use for it.

 

 

 

 

Homework: I mostly agree. I guess I'd say that homework is bad if it is busywork homework given just to make you have something to do. But if the teacher thinks you should practice math problems or read a book or something, or if theres work to be done, it is necessary.

 

 

 

The Need for Separate Schools: eh, I think its better to keep smaller schools, I really don't see much a difference, but I think it'd be more pleasurable to go to a smaller school than a school-complex-giant-building-department store-thing.

 

 

 

being forced into college: yeah, parents shouldn't force you, but they should encourage you as much as possible, but never make the decision for you.

 

 

 

going to college to party: Totally Agree

School isn't big enough to accomodate all the kids?

 

 

 

Yes, but if they didn't build a High School / Primary School, there would be more room by making a second / third (Etc) Storie, longer... And you live in Australia, and would know that we have a loss in land for houses.

 

 

 

Visit my school about the time the final bell rings. Try having over 500 cars trying to pile out of 1 exit onto a busy road at the same time. And that's only the South lot (juniors/seniors). Now imagine 300ish freshman/sophomores trying to pile out a single exit onto that same busy road as the juniors/seniors. Traffic is a mess for 45 minutes to an hour every night. Now throw in 2 or 3 more exits, 9 more grades (kindergarten included), and parents of thousands apon thousands of students trying to pick their children up. That's one hell of a mess. Now throw in snow.icey conditions and remember high school drivers are inexperienced. I personally don't want to see the day they try to pack everyone together in a single school.

 

 

 

(A little background about schooling in America for anyone who is unfamiliar. Schools are divided into 3 levels. Elementary = Kindergarten through 5th grade, Middle School = 6th through 8th grade, High School = 9th through 12th grade. There are some variations to grade levels in school, that is just how it generally works.)

Err... :| .

 

 

 

I'll go from easiest to hardest:

 

 

 

3&4 can be linked, as has been stated. Uni just isn't for everyone, but you can learn a lot there. If you're really willing and eager to learn, and have the capability to gather and use the knowledge you use in college, then by all means, go. But far too many people nowadays go to Uni just because "it's what you're supposed to do". It just isn't for everyone, and not all children (or parents, possibly moreso) understand that. Oh well, it'd be hard to change the societal opinion on this issue I guess, so you're going to have to grin and bear it ^_^'.

 

 

 

2... hm. I suppose they aren't really necessary, but currently I go to a high school that has no lower level schools connected to it (a college prep Catholic high school), so I gain something from middle schools and high schools being seperated by being able to switch over to it in 9th grade.

 

 

 

I'd also say that since the students are different ages at each level of schooling, it's important for the environments to change. Elementary school should be fun and laid back while introducing the students to learning in general in an environment of peers of a similiar age. Middle school needs to be more difficult and the teaching style is very different, meriting a seperation. High school is a large change socially and educationally, so I see no reason not to seperate it.

 

 

 

So... ya, that's all I got. There's nothing wrong with having a school be kin-12th, and there's nothing wrong with seperating the schools, from what I can speculate anyways. Guess someone else should cover this >_>.

 

 

 

1) Now, that's just flat out wrong, especially for high school classes.

 

 

 

I'll give you an example. Last year I took an AP Latin Virgil class, where we spent the whole entire year reading and translating half of Virgil (couple hundred lines from most of the books), in preperation for the Latin-Virgil AP test. It was the toughest class I've ever taken. To add even more pain to the class, while translating the Latin version, we read spent the entire year reading a 360 page flowery translation (thus making it hard to use) of the entire Aeneid, with period quizzes over each book.

 

 

 

But the class only met for 45 minutes a day, and with that amount of time there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that anyone could survive the AP test just on going to class. The class actually turned out to be two things- review of the homework, tests, and quizzes. So, our teacher, understanding that we needed to be able to recognize any line of the Latin at sight for the AP test in may, had us translate 30 lines a night at first, and 50 a night by third quarter, with tests few hundred lines. Mind you, we had up to 500 or more lines on a test, and he could give us any couple of lines he wanted to and ask us to translate it verbatim, on top of understanding the story of the books we had just read from the English flowery translation. To survive that, you had to go over every lines, and multiple times. And for the fourth quarter, our teacher had us go over everything we had in the first three quarters (thus having us translate 150 lines of the text from quarter one-three a night), with the AP test near the end of the quarter; so we had to work at quadruple speed. By doing that I had gone over every line 5 or 6 times- once during the homework for the first three quarters, again during the class review of the lines of the homework assignment, yet again during the 5+ hour study session before each test, again during the fourth quarter homework, and again during the fourth quarter classes and/or prepping for the AP test. So, most of that learning came from outside the classroom; the class just refined any mistakes I had made during the homework. If I didn't do my homework or study, I'd go over the lines once or twice. But by doing it, I had translated every line five or more times, and thus gained a full understanding of the amazing piece of text that is the Aeneid. Without that hour and a half spent every night on the Latin I would not , and never, truly know the text.

 

 

 

You could give me an line from the Aeneid right now, and the odds are that I could just look at it and translate it on the spot. Not to sound arrogant, but that's not what the class did- that's what the diligence and willingness to learn outside of the classroom did (of course, without the refining, teaching, and pressing of my expert Latin teacher I would have never pushed myself as hard as I did, nor understood what I made mistakes on or didn't understand). It really one of the worlds greatest pieces of epic literature (Virgil spent his entire life writing it, and he never truly was able to finish it, being the perfectionist that he was), and I'm glad I did my homework to fully understand it.

 

 

 

I'd go into how you need to repeatedly go over lessons mathematics to get them ingrained within you, or that you need to spend extra time at home studying for your history classes to retain the information, but I hope that you understand by now that homework is necessary. Maybe in elementary school the teachers taught you everything in class, maybe in middle school homework didn't hold as much weight in your learning, but in high school and beyond, if you don't do your homework, you're screwed in life. Simple as that.

 

 

 

In middle school and below, homework is about grades- you learn everything in class anyways. But in high school, homework isn't about grades at all. It's about learning. I hope you understand that.

 

 

 

Oh, and if any one was wondering (and of course no one is), I scored a 5 on the AP test. Yaaaay homework.

I dont think that homework is ever a bad idea. It is meant to keep your mind up to date with the material your learning.

 

 

 

Everyone needs to go to different schools. Can you imagine if everyone in your town went to the same school? All hell would break loose.

 

 

 

If your parents force you to go to college they either care about you or can't wait to get rid of you. Either way, college is never a bad decision.

 

 

 

Going to college to party? Who the hell would waste all that money on tuition just to party? Those people are idiots.

 

 

 

Or you can avoid all of these things you mentioned and just drop out of school.

Obviously you don't see any point in homework - given your age, you've probably haven't taken any difficult courses yet. Like Rebdragon has said, there's only so much time you have for each class. Do you expect the teacher to spoonfeed you for the rest of school? In my AP Calc class, they'll spend the period going over the previous night's homework, clearing up any confusions, and then teaching just enough to get started on the next night of homework. You don't get spoonfed - instead, you have to figure out things by yourself if you to do well in the class.

Homework: It's designed to reinforce your knowledge of the subject area. It's for your own good and you've really no grounds to complain except for the fact you're lazy.

 

 

 

School Separation: There's a clear difference between under 11s and 11+ students. Put simply, they're maturing into adults, and they need to be put into a new environment that facilitates and reflects that change.

 

 

 

Peer forcing into education: Completely wrong after the age of 16. At that point, you really are an adult in your own right and it shouldn't be up to the parents at that point to decide what's best for you.

 

 

 

University Parties: I don't personally party, but then again I've never really liked that kinda scene. People acting like drunken [bLEEP]s, arguments, high emotions getting the better of people... not for me. However, I understand there is a need for a social life at the place where your studying outside of your studies. For someone people, this is to throw parties and drink lots. So long as they don't neglect their studies and don't do it excessively, no harm in it.