drago_lark Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 If there were posts about this before (which I bet there were) I have no knowledge of them. Okay I'm a devote Catholic so I strongly support creationism O:) . In Science class it's always bothered me when we learn about evolution and I always get in heated debates with my teacher about the subject. I'd be fine with public schools teaching evolution if the taught creationism along with it. I'm not just talking about Christian beliefs either. When I bring this up the most common response I get is "People are offended." What about the people like me that are offended by evolution? If they can't teach one theory than i don't think they should be able to teach any of them. (I understand this is a touchy subject but please try to keep flames to a minimum. Please and thank you!) :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music:Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people:Jim: you mean scientists?:Priest: Blasphomey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Creationism isn't science though. Science studies natural theories and evolution fits that, whereas Creationism is a supernatural theory. Teach creationism in religion/philosophy class and keep evolution in the science classroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbfgraphx14 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Uh oh, I hope we can handle this thread :uhh: People need to know how to debate without offending someone. And those who do, sometimes need to lighten up. If we all can't decide, like you have stated, we should not teach any of them, but it is not the teachers fault, they are told to teach certain things. Myself, I choose to belive in evolution, and I also respect those who do not. Tbfgraphx14Happy to find I'm not the only one who eats glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy500fan Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I thought Catholics believed in evolution? My whole family is Catholic and they do. I think the Pope does to, at least John Paul did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril_Max Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 then wed have to go through every single religious beleif until noone craps their pants because something thats pretty much proven goes against a book/tablet/crazy homeless guy also why doesnt church teach evolution then? In church pretty much every scientific anything is pretty much looked down upon... :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music :Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people :Jim: you mean scientists? :Priest: Blasphomey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild_goat_14 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 You study theories in Science. Think of it that way, its not like they are telling you "This happened. Everything else is wrong" but instead they are teaching you the scientific theories. Also, just because your teacher teaches it, it doesn't mean they believe it. Teachers get a list of objectives for each year. Evolution is one of them, and if they say "No, lets teach creationism!" they get fired, and that then means they can't be re-hired in the state because they broke a state teaching rule. You teacher is probably teaching you that to keep his/her job. Don't try to make them argue about it, because they probably agree with you but just can't say it. I shall take my flock underneath my own wing, and kick them right the [bleep] out of the tree. If they were meant to fly, they won't break their necks on the concrete.So, what is 1.111... equal to?10/9. Please don't continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago_lark Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music :Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people :Jim: you mean scientists? :Priest: Blasphomey! ROFL! :lol: :lol: and sigged. The church can teach what it chooses because it is a private organization and doesn't receive funding from the state. I just think that we should avoid teaching how we came to be. This way everyone is happy and all the arguing would be over with. But hey I'm just one guy with his opinion. I started this topic to so everyone else could post theirs! :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music:Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people:Jim: you mean scientists?:Priest: Blasphomey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 When it comes to hitting nerves, you've just tapped my spinal cord. But only because I've read into the creation-evolution 'debate' so extensively. As Insane states, Creationism is not science. It invokes supernatural causes and thus is untestable and unfalsifiable by our feeble natural senses. Science must be testable and falsifiable or it's as baseless as any old postulation. Besides not technically fitting any frame of what would be considered conventional science, Creationism carries a theological burden which is subject to wipe all semblance of accountability, which science strives hard to maintain, out the window. In your post you seem to come across as upset that creationism and evolution don't have 'equal time' in the science classroom. This is folly because when it comes to science, it's not about being fair; it's about going with the weight of evidence, which I can assure you evolution holds comfortably, thus why 99%+ of all scientists accept it. In another point you say you get offended by evolution. Evolution is a naturalistic theory just like all others; it's purpose is not to offend you. If you don't like the natural evidence-based explanation of life on earth, then feel free to ignore it and have faith in what it is you believe. You have that right, but I ask you to think why it is you are getting offended by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errdoth Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 May I direct you to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. If you teach your version (and mine, I'm a catholic myself, but don't believe in creationism), you're going to have to teach all other religions version. What puts Christian creationism above other religions ones? And, as was said above, it's not science. It's religion. Last.fm Signature Overlays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour_tacos Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 My old pastor simply linked creationism and proof of evolution like this: God created animals, and over time, adapted them to his ever changing world. I beleive in creationism but try to make up scenarios where scientific evidence fits in with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_m23 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I go to a public school, and they do, but not in depth. Its pretty much just to show the other view of how the world was created. Its mostly not taught because there is no evidence, or theories with logic to support creationism. Science is fact, not belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperClipsYaaaar Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Creationism isn't science though. Science studies natural theories and evolution fits that, whereas Creationism is a supernatural theory. Teach creationism in religion/philosophy class and keep evolution in the science classroom. That's right. Evolution studies how things happen, not who made things happen. You can study evolution and still believe that there was a supernatural creator in the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour_tacos Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Creationism isn't science though. Science studies natural theories and evolution fits that, whereas Creationism is a supernatural theory. Teach creationism in religion/philosophy class and keep evolution in the science classroom. That's right. Evolution studies how things happen, not who made things happen. You can study evolution and still believe that there was a supernatural creator in the beginning. Exactly what I was thinking. Nicely put. : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago_lark Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 Sorry guys maybe offended wasn't the best word to use. I respect evolution and anyone's opinion on it. Maybe I'm just a Jesus-freak. :D :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music:Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people:Jim: you mean scientists?:Priest: Blasphomey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Explain to me how Creationism has to contradict the fact and theory of evolution, and I will give you a cookie. [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 As everyone else creationism isn't a science. Also, evolution is a very strong supported theory and is pretty much considered as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour_tacos Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Explain to me how Creationism has to contradict the fact and theory of evolution, and I will give you a cookie. It doesn't really. People who either don't believe in Creationism or strong believers in Creationism (who think "If you aren't Christian, go to hell) believe that the two contradict each other. They're not mutually exclusive events. (I've been waiting to use that one since I learned it in Algebra last year) I'll take that cookie though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago_lark Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 It looks like I through myself into the fire on this one. I must have a bad way of wording things. I never meant to say that they contradict each other. :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music:Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people:Jim: you mean scientists?:Priest: Blasphomey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 It looks like I through myself into the fire on this one. I must have a bad way of wording things. I never meant to say that they contradict each other. Than what exactly is the problem with them teaching evolution in school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Explain to me how Creationism has to contradict the fact and theory of evolution, and I will give you a cookie. It doesn't really. People who either don't believe in Creationism or strong believers in Creationism (who think "If you aren't Christian, go to hell) believe that the two contradict each other. They're not mutually exclusive events. (I've been waiting to use that one since I learned it in Algebra last year) I'll take that cookie though... But you already agreed with me in the first place :P . My request is directed towards the OP, as he appears so adamant about creationism and evolution not being compatable. EDIT: If you don't think they contradict each other, then why are you demanding that a philosophical and religious standpoint be taught in science class :-s ? [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour_tacos Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 It looks like I through myself into the fire on this one. I must have a bad way of wording things. I never meant to say that they contradict each other. Than what exactly is the problem with them teaching evolution in school? There really isn't, unless you're a diehard Christian. And I'm talking diehard, like the Jesus Warrior on Wife Swap... look it up on YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelem_ryu Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music :Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people :Jim: you mean scientists? :Priest: Blasphomey! Scientists didn't create the iPhone. Engineers did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago_lark Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 The problem is that I don't see why they can't teach both. One theory is just as good as another. I'm not trying to be a smart-[wagon] or anything but can someone show me some cold hard facts that prove evolution is a fact. :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music:Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people:Jim: you mean scientists?:Priest: Blasphomey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour_tacos Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Explain to me how Creationism has to contradict the fact and theory of evolution, and I will give you a cookie. It doesn't really. People who either don't believe in Creationism or strong believers in Creationism (who think "If you aren't Christian, go to hell) believe that the two contradict each other. They're not mutually exclusive events. (I've been waiting to use that one since I learned it in Algebra last year) I'll take that cookie though... But you already agreed with me in the first place :P . My request is directed towards the OP, as he appears so adamant about creationism and evolution not being compatable. EDIT: If you don't think they contradict each other, then why are you demanding that a philosophical and religious standpoint be taught in science class :-s ? True... but I want that cookie! =P~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbfgraphx14 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 :Jim: hey i got this new iPhone it plays music :Priest: better thank jesus for creating a way to talk to other people :Jim: you mean scientists? :Priest: Blasphomey! Scientists didn't create the iPhone. Engineers did. I think they developed the way of communication :-k Tbfgraphx14Happy to find I'm not the only one who eats glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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