How to make a John Kerry speech interesting:

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Were they even real police or just campus security?

 

I think they were real officers.

 

 

 

Best opinion I've heard on the subject, quoted from a friend:

 

 

 

I doesn't matter if 100% agree on this or not.

 

What else is there to discuss? Whether or not he was disturbing the peace? Why shouldn't he have been let in to ask his question? If we're going by the book, he should have been escorted out of the room as soon as he entered. The cops should not have stood around and let him have the mic, letting this escalate into a huge deal with THEM [bleep]ing up in the end.

 

 

 

The only reason that this is news, that we we're even talking about this, is because the student was tasered. He wasn't escorted out of the building without the use of excessive force, he was tasered for almost absolutely no reason. Unless it was extremely brutal, what led up to the tasing doesn't matter, as in this case, with (I count) 7 cops around him, the tasing was unnecessary.

 

 

 

[cabbage] like this happens all the time though. I hope I'm not the only one that thinks giving certain individuals certain power over others WITH the personal freedom to choose what to do in situations instead of sticking to strict rules is completely bogus.

 

 

 

But that makes me a generic punk, right? [bleep] the police, right?

 

 

 

No, really, [bleep] them.

 

Excuse the language.

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Were they even real police or just campus security?

 

I think they were real officers.

 

 

 

Best opinion I've heard on the subject, quoted from a friend:

 

 

 

I doesn't matter if 100% agree on this or not.

 

What else is there to discuss? Whether or not he was disturbing the peace? Why shouldn't he have been let in to ask his question? If we're going by the book, he should have been escorted out of the room as soon as he entered. The cops should not have stood around and let him have the mic, letting this escalate into a huge deal with THEM [bleep] up in the end.

 

 

 

The only reason that this is news, that we we're even talking about this, is because the student was tasered. He wasn't escorted out of the building without the use of excessive force, he was tasered for almost absolutely no reason. Unless it was extremely brutal, what led up to the tasing doesn't matter, as in this case, with (I count) 7 cops around him, the tasing was unnecessary.

 

 

 

[cabbage] like this happens all the time though. I hope I'm not the only one that thinks giving certain individuals certain power over others WITH the personal freedom to choose what to do in situations instead of sticking to strict rules is completely bogus.

 

 

 

But that makes me a generic punk, right? [bleep] the police, right?

 

 

 

No, really, [bleep] them.

 

Excuse the language.

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You have a really intelligent friend there. I completely agree with him 100%

[KnightLite]

Wow :shock:

 

 

 

That kid is my hero! He made John Kerry look like a complete idiot. It's to bad that the huge majority of you tip.iters are liberal.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Wow :shock:

 

 

 

That kid is my hero! He made John Kerry look like a complete idiot. It's to bad that the huge majority of you tip.iters are liberal.

 

Haha, but seriously. He owned him.

[venomai]

It's disturbing that Kerry starts to answer the kid's question as he's getting tasered.

 

Hell, the audience was making more of an effort to stop the cops. You can hear "What has he done?" and "Stop!" through Kerry's rambling answers. :roll:

[Lenin64]

Rather convenient time to have a camera going, eh? Ok, so maybe the taser action was a little much, and I couldn't fully hear the kid's question, but it sounded like he was trying to cause a scene. He definitely should have been removed. He resisted, leads to arrest. Makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is why the officers weren't reading him his rights. America seems to be falling towards a police state. So what doesn't work now? 8-)

[flowerboy]

I think it was completely justified.

 

He could've done something bad, like chuck his book at Kerry and k0 him.

[warri0r45]

Rather convenient time to have a camera going, eh? Ok, so maybe the taser action was a little much, and I couldn't fully hear the kid's question, but it sounded like he was trying to cause a scene. He definitely should have been removed. He resisted, leads to arrest. Makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is why the officers weren't reading him his rights. America seems to be falling towards a police state. So what doesn't work now? 8-)

 

 

 

He resisted what? The cops grabbing him because he was asking a question? The whole argument here hinges on whether the cops were justified in grabbing him. I found it borderline wierd that he was just grabbed by the police in that instant when his mike goes off and he faces them for a brief moment. Either he said something in that moment to get them worked up or they are power hungry ego trippers.

[TotalTalker]

Does anyone know how long he was arrested for?

[Defender2516]

wow I'm very disappointed in the audience. They should have stood up to them and took em down. They can't tase everyone in the audience.

 

 

 

but no they just laugh at him as he's being tased. What a bunch of [wagon].

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think thats bad? We have people here laughing at a man who died from a headbut. Although it seems unlikely someone would die and especially from a armless man, the fact that they find it funny is insanity.

 

 

 

I remember when I was at my school... and the twin towers fell.. the black people in their laughed hard as the white people ran for their lives.

 

 

 

People can tell me all they want that this world is getting better.. but I say their just blind and always will be.

[GordanFreeman]

wow I'm very disappointed in the audience. They should have stood up to them and took em down. They can't tase everyone in the audience.

 

 

 

but no they just laugh at him as he's being tased. What a bunch of [wagon].

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think thats bad? We have people here laughing at a man who died from a headbut. Although it seems unlikely someone would die and especially from a armless man, the fact that they find it funny is insanity.

 

 

 

I remember when I was at my school... and the twin towers fell.. the black people in their laughed hard as the white people ran for their lives.

 

 

 

People can tell me all they want that this world is getting better.. but I say their just blind and always will be.

 

 

 

Black people laughed at the white people...what? What are you talking about? There weren't any black people working in the twin towers? Someone's a bit prejudiced, eh... :-s

[Defender2516]

wow I'm very disappointed in the audience. They should have stood up to them and took em down. They can't tase everyone in the audience.

 

 

 

but no they just laugh at him as he's being tased. What a bunch of [wagon].

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think thats bad? We have people here laughing at a man who died from a headbut. Although it seems unlikely someone would die and especially from a armless man, the fact that they find it funny is insanity.

 

 

 

I remember when I was at my school... and the twin towers fell.. the black people in their laughed hard as the white people ran for their lives.

 

 

 

People can tell me all they want that this world is getting better.. but I say their just blind and always will be.

 

 

 

Black people laughed at the white people...what? What are you talking about? There weren't any black people working in the twin towers? Someone's a bit prejudiced, eh... :-s

 

 

 

Meh... thats not what I said at all..

 

 

 

Let me rephrase. The black students at my school was watching the twin towers fall on TV. They laughed and made fun of the white people as they ran for their lives.

[Gamerr]

I was very angry when I saw that. In America some policemen really are ordered to do stuff that are illegal, but hey do you hear Bush doing something about it, na.

 

 

 

This is really a shame, he didn't even attack Kerry, just asked a good question.

[warri0r45]

wow I'm very disappointed in the audience. They should have stood up to them and took em down. They can't tase everyone in the audience.

 

 

 

but no they just laugh at him as he's being tased. What a bunch of [wagon].

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think thats bad? We have people here laughing at a man who died from a headbut. Although it seems unlikely someone would die and especially from a armless man, the fact that they find it funny is insanity.

 

 

 

I remember when I was at my school... and the twin towers fell.. the black people in their laughed hard as the white people ran for their lives.

 

 

 

People can tell me all they want that this world is getting better.. but I say their just blind and always will be.

 

 

 

You're right, it was much better when those black people were our slaves and we were laughing at them.

 

 

 

So you'd rather world wars, disease pandemics, slavery, widescale ignorance, widescale discrimination, the heightened threat of nuclear armageddon, lower life expectancy, witch trials, crusades, rape and pillage tactics, arms races, eugenics and human experiments?

 

 

 

Now is your turn. Show me the light and lead my from my blindness.

[Barihawk]

Warrior, I don't even know where the hell you are going with that post. Unless you are trying to lead people into thinking he was expressing racist sentiment in his.

[warri0r45]

Warrior, I don't even know where the hell you are going with that post. Unless you are trying to lead people into thinking he was expressing racist sentiment in his.

 

 

 

No.

 

 

 

I want him to elaborate on why he thinks those that take the view that the world is overall getting better are blind. I was suggesting why he is wrong and inviting him to elaborate on his view as I have done so at least once before in a different thread.

[Evilperson]

You can't deny that the kid was resisting arrest.

 

 

 

But you have to ask yourself, if you are sitting there eating a bagel and a cop comes up to you and says, "You're under arrest for having a weapon in public", would you resist as well?

[Defender2516]

wow I'm very disappointed in the audience. They should have stood up to them and took em down. They can't tase everyone in the audience.

 

 

 

but no they just laugh at him as he's being tased. What a bunch of [wagon].

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think thats bad? We have people here laughing at a man who died from a headbut. Although it seems unlikely someone would die and especially from a armless man, the fact that they find it funny is insanity.

 

 

 

I remember when I was at my school... and the twin towers fell.. the black people in their laughed hard as the white people ran for their lives.

 

 

 

People can tell me all they want that this world is getting better.. but I say their just blind and always will be.

 

 

 

You're right, it was much better when those black people were our slaves and we were laughing at them.

 

 

 

So you'd rather world wars, disease pandemics, slavery, widescale ignorance, widescale discrimination, the heightened threat of nuclear armageddon, lower life expectancy, witch trials, crusades, rape and pillage tactics, arms races, eugenics and human experiments?

 

 

 

Now is your turn. Show me the light and lead my from my blindness.

 

 

 

You can never make a blind man see the light.. and I am to tired to debate right now.. but here is why you are blind, since you counted yourself as a blind man.

 

 

 

1. Rape: Amazing you put this one on this list. Okay everyone, unlock your windows, open your doors, men do not rape women anymore, the world is a better place.

 

 

 

2. Disease pandemics: Thank God we have a cure for aids..

 

 

 

3. Slavery: Are you joking? Not in America, but definatly around the world..

 

 

 

4 the heightened threat of nuclear armageddon: Yeah, we don't have that nowdays.. I will let North Korea know.

 

 

 

5. widescale ignorance, widescale discrimination: I shall let the Muslim world know they are no longer a threat.

 

 

 

6.lower life expectancy: Obesity in America, last I checked, is at 66% and increasing. The world is getting filled up with more man made chemicals than ever. We have strong mediciene, but it is shown that youths are getting sicker at younger ages.

 

 

 

7. crusades: I guess terrorists wasn't on a crusade when they kill our troops and bomb our towers. They did it for their religion, it is a Crusade to kill all Americans and Jews.

 

 

 

I could say more, but you would probably on attempt to refute it with more ignorance words with mixed in insults.

 

 

 

So I really don't bother with you much Warrior. Enjoy your blindness of this great world that is existing.. wow a world with no rape.. has the world really been this de-sensitized.

[assassin_696]

Defender, stop being so ignorant and actually read and consider the points warri0r made.

 

 

 

As for that video, well, it's a sorry state of affairs when the police try and arrest a man for exercising his freedom of speech. Sure, he was being disruptive, but so what? Politicians should expect that they might get that and shouldn't have to resort to that kind of thing, even though Kerry seemed fine with it.

[Defender2516]

Defender, stop being so ignorant and actually read and consider the points warri0r made.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, I didn't know a different opinion means ignorance now.

 

 

 

All those things he said, he talked as if they were in the past, they are in todays times as well, only replaced under different labels, and some are deadlier.

 

 

 

Like war, pillage tactics, has been turned into Moab's and technology warfare.

 

 

 

Please enlightment how I am ignorant and how the world is a better place now. Just because some of what he said is not in America, doesn't mean the world is a better place now. It may be a better place for Americans, but not for the rest of the world.

[Barihawk]

Defender, stop being so ignorant and actually read and consider the points warri0r made.

 

 

 

He did. Warrior's points were that we have advanced beyond those things. Defender simply stated that they all exist in some way, shape, and form today. He then goes on to say that anyone who claims that we have advanced past such things is blind, because they happen practically every day.

[assassin_696]

Sorry for dragging this OT btw MPC, I'll clean it if you want.

 

 

 

Defender, stop being so ignorant and actually read and consider the points warri0r made.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, I didn't know a different opinion means ignorance now.

 

 

 

All those things he said, he talked as if they were in the past, they are in todays times as well, only replaced under different labels, and some are deadlier.

 

 

 

Like war, pillage tactics, has been turned into Moab's and technology warfare.

 

 

 

Please enlightment how I am ignorant and how the world is a better place now. Just because some of what he said is not in America, doesn't mean the world is a better place now. It may be a better place for Americans, but not for the rest of the world.

 

 

 

Look, i'm not going to spell it out for you, but if you can't see we've come a long way medically since the black plague, a long way since rape was commonplace, since slavery was globally legal and promoted by the world's superpowers, since the height of the Cold War, since we still thought that the Sun went round the Earth and that people of a different skin colour were inferiour and since people could be expected to live to about 30 in the western world then you're missing the point. And you're lucky Muslim extremists aren't having a crusade on the scale of the European ones in the past against America.

[Barihawk]

You are still failing to see the point, assassin.

 

 

 

The epidemics have changed. Millions die every year from diseases like Ebola and HIV/AIDS, but very little support is there for it. People care more about celebrities (this is a world-wide phenomenon, mind you) or for their own convenience than they do some person with no connection to them.

 

 

 

Rape is still commonplace. I don't know where you get the notion that it's changed somehow. It's less commonplace than it was 1000 years ago, but it's still common enough that many men and women who have been raped would be offended by your blindness to the problem.

 

 

 

Slavery is inherent in every culture, not just human bondage. But while we are on the subject of the latter, it exists in almost every nation on Earth, regardless of it's legality or not. It even happens right here in the US, but we are all too eager to look the other way.

 

 

 

Oh, and the notion you say that skin color does not make someone inferior: only in legality only. To think that racism has been eliminated worldwide is complete ignorance on your part. Reverse racism is included, and is rampant in the US, even to the point where it has laws passed in it's favor. But people are blind to it.

 

 

 

And the Islamic extremist crusade has every reason to be as feared as the Medieval Crusades. Why? You don't have to send millions of men with swords to accomplish your goals when you can have one man with a vest of C-4 kill hundreds. The sentiment is there, the will to kill to there, and the numbers are there. Think of how many people have been killed by terrorist attacks worldwide in the last 30 years, and it get's awfully similar to the carnage of the Crusades.

 

 

 

Defender has a point. The world is not getting better, it's only getting more convenient.

[MyPurpleCrayon]

So I've thought about it a lot more and actually completely changed my opinion:

 

 

 

Think about the 20 kids at Virginia Tech who died... What if that kid had pulled out a gun, or a knife? He deserved what he got, and I think the cops using over-aggressive force is okay in a situation like that, ESPECIALLY with all the shootings that are going on now. The cops shouldn't be responsible for what that student was capable of.

[Darksavior69]

So I've thought about it a lot more and actually completely changed my opinion:

 

 

 

Think about the 20 kids at Virginia Tech who died... What if that kid had pulled out a gun, or a knife? He deserved what he got, and I think the cops using over-aggressive force is okay in a situation like that, ESPECIALLY with all the shootings that are going on now. The cops shouldn't be responsible for what that student was capable of.

 

Going on some political tirade isn't any reason to suspect he would have a weapon. Even if for some reason they did think he had a weapon, it would have become clear he didn't when he was pinned on the ground for a few minutes by a couple cops. It would have been slightly different if they had used to taser to actually restrain him, though still unjustified, but at the point they did taser him he was restrained and clearly no real danger to anyone.