Tip.It Users Takin The Wrong Point Of View?

[Ouchy]

*NOTE* I AM NOT PRAISING AUTOERS. I AM JUST TALKING ABOUT MY POINT OF VIEW SO PLEASE, NO FLAMING.*NOTE*

 

 

 

I know that many people from the tip.it and RuneScape community have been severely complaining about how the price of has dropped. Until recently this was my point of view and I didn't want to accept anything else.

 

 

 

Many people think that it sucks that price on many items has gone down and I will say that this sucks for most sellers. But think about the consumers (buyers). They are able to buy more of that item. This is excellent for advancing in skills such as fletching, fire making and rune crafting. This is good-sort of.

 

 

 

So while people are whinging and moaning just stop for a second and aske yourself "Is this really so bad?"

[klankaos]

I believe it is. While autoers may be good for the buyers, it's not a purely buyer-based market. The sellers need to get something out of it, and the people that are hurt are those players that work hardest ingame to get those resources. Autoers are a serious problem, because they destroy the economy for everyone, honestly. Even those buyers will sometimes become sellers, so in the long run, it really hurts everyone.

[123Yourgone]

Lower prices and easy lvling arnt good for ANYBODY.

 

So you bought 99 smithing cheap? big deal so did 300,000 other people.

 

Thats what could happen to this game, christ the only thing rs has going for it is the constant grind and challenge and you want to remove what little there is?

 

Cheaper raw materials = cheaper skills, cheaper skills = easier lvls, easier lvls = more people who didnt have to work half as hard as the people who did it previous to the price drops getting undeserved skill capes.

 

Do you want to be displaying a sig that says:

 

Proud to be #151,913 to 99 crafting!

[Shazarabbit]

I think what needs to be addressed is that people automatically blame autoers. Yes they may be breaking the rules, but if it wasn't for the player who wanted to buy those servies (items/cash) with RL money then the autoers wouldn't have any business.

 

 

 

I don't support autoing, but having said that i don't care whether they are here or not. They don't affect my game play at all.

[123Yourgone]

I think what needs to be addressed is that people automatically blame autoers. Yes they may be breaking the rules, but if it wasn't for the player who wanted to buy those servies (items/cash) with RL money then the autoers wouldn't have any business.

 

 

 

I don't support autoing, but having said that i don't care whether they are here or not. They don't affect my game play at all.

There is a public bot out now like the old aryan that people use to do anything and just keep the items rather then sell, so their would still be millions of bots even without the gold market.

[The Observer]

Lower prices aren't good. There are already several tens of thousands of 99 Cookers. If it goes any lower, there will be a few hundred thousand 99 Cookers. :|

[Solidus_77]

This has been debated at least twice already. First was "Why autoers are helping the economy". We already know that they there are winners and losers in this situation, however we have also decided already that the losers lose more than the winners win.

 

 

 

Yes, the consumers are winning here, however them winning at the cost of letting autoers invade rs is acceptable. Conversely, if autoers are removed, the loss to the consumers is an acceptable sacrifice.

[WookieeMania12]

Yes, a lot of bots can affect a price for certain goods (sharks for example and this is a true story). When bots really got bad, the prices dropped to about 300-400gp ea (this was before the big bot massacre in May 1st, 2007). It sounds good for the buyers, but it isn't. Why? Because, many sellers got annoyed at the price being so cheap, so many went back to fishing lobs (which were about 200-300gp ea). That means that the buyers (Especially those trying to reach 99 cooking) found it harder to find someone selling shark (since the prices were so low and the shark take time to fish). After May 1st, sharks moderately started to reach the price they deserve: 800gp-1k ea. Even the lowest price for shark increased to 950gp, meaning that shark is becoming more valuable.

[albal1234]

I belive that (even though I despise of them) autoers do aid the economy greatly. They provide the yews and sharks that pkers and fletchers need. I take my stance with the autoers.

[Shazarabbit]

I think what needs to be addressed is that people automatically blame autoers. Yes they may be breaking the rules, but if it wasn't for the player who wanted to buy those servies (items/cash) with RL money then the autoers wouldn't have any business.

 

 

 

I don't support autoing, but having said that i don't care whether they are here or not. They don't affect my game play at all.

There is a public bot out now like the old [Caution] that people use to do anything and just keep the items rather then sell, so their would still be millions of bots even without the gold market.

 

 

 

I understand that, but there would not be as many as the ones who sell for gp to sell for real life cash.

[123Yourgone]

I belive that (even though I despise of them) autoers do aid the economy greatly. They provide the yews and sharks that pkers and fletchers need. I take my stance with the autoers.

How does the game need 100k people with 99 fletching or cooking, in case you havnt noticed people who have these capes are ridiculed, some of them got the skills before the autoers took control and its very unfair.

[meili]

:roll: If all the autoers were magically removed from RS, prices would rise really high for certain raw materials. This would not be a tragedy but instead a big boost for everyone. High level skills would be worth more and players would get more respect for both buyable and non-buyable skills.

[The_Stihl]

I don't care for the effect cheaters in general have on the economy, simply for the effect it has on newcomers.

 

 

 

No legit player starts their RuneScape account with riches to spare, and that means merchanting is out of the question. For that reason, autoing tends to allow the rich to stay rich, and discourage the poor from being anything but poor, and that's not doing the community any favours.

 

 

 

Not to say that I'm jumping on y'all with this communistic ideal that everyone should share everything, but you can hardly say that a player is just a lazy beggar after (s)he goes out and consciously mines five thousand coal ores to reach the big one mill.

 

 

 

This, of course, may become more universally tangible depending on the degree of damage the "Great Exchange" does to merchanting in general.

[IAm314159]

With the autoers becoming more prevalent in the Runescape economy, they do play an important part as they keep prices of commodities down for people to buy greater stocks of them and use them for various purposes. Look what happened when Jagex started banning all those autoers: the price of yew logs (quoting a good example) went up from around 250-300 ea to around 300-350 ea. The buyers were extremely -bleep- off.

 

 

 

Autoers can also have negative effects, such as when the sellers get not very happy when the prices of items gets pushed down so far. Thus I still believe the economy can function perfectly well WITHOUT autoers, as more people will be coerced to train their skills to get commodities, and the prices will be quite stable in the long term with short-term fluctuations from time to time.

[meili]

Look what happened when Jagex started banning all those autoers: the price of yew logs (quoting a good example) went up from around 250-300 ea to around 300-350 ea. The buyers were extremely -bleep- off.

 

 

 

And the legit sellers, including myself were happy. :roll: Autoers are the reason even noobs don't rescpe the fletching skill cape. :roll: If prices rose, then players would get more kudos for getting high fletching. It's really a win-win for all legit players.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

The impact of autoers was more like the effect of a casual relationship.

 

 

 

The cause: There are surely more players on RS than before, especially experienced ones.

 

 

 

The effects:

 

Fletching- A bunch of "autoers" see this opportunity so woodcutting never stops. Prices rise, for most part, yews did.

 

 

 

Fire making- Loads of autoers want to cut yew trees because loads of members need them. As the result the willow logs/ oak logs (most favourable construction commodity) are nothing more than spoils that are salvaged and expensed regularly by US. (See F2p general stores- Varrock, Lumbridge) Prices dropped overall but there's no harm.

 

 

 

Rune crafting- People are constantly runecrafting and runes are used up. So somebody must mine pure ess more so than rune ess. Autoers see this and took the roles of suppliers. Jagex did tweak it so regular ess can no longer make member runes, so the prices stabilized.

 

 

 

Prayer- I wouldn't know, but you can be buying some cheaters' load of d bones. The prices dropped from 2.5k (2006 first quarter?) to 1.5k noawdays. It is going down...

 

 

 

Overall, the price was affected...but what about the barrows armours, ranger sets, dag king rings, d bows whips...They dropped significantly and is still dropping, so now who do you blame? Obviously more players of cause!

 

 

 

From what I saw, 5~10yew cutters on a tree, the flooding of autoers will eventually fail A LONG TIME I MAY SADLY ADD, they compete intrusively (lowering and lowering rl value)for illegal trading. The only way to stop this is toughen on the banning of rl trading so rl trading can't be done anymore.

[123Yourgone]

The impact of autoers was more like the effect of a casual relationship.

 

 

 

The cause: There are surely more players on RS than before, especially experienced ones.

 

 

 

The effects:

 

Fletching- A bunch of "autoers" see this opportunity so woodcutting never stops.

 

 

 

Fire making- Loads of autoers want to cut yew trees because loads of members need them. As the result the willow logs/ oak logs (most favourable construction commodity) are nothing more than spoils that are salvaged and expensed regularly by US. (See F2p general stores- Varrock, Lumbridge)

 

 

 

Rune crafting- People are constantly runecrafting and runes are used up. So somebody must mine pure ess more so than rune ess. Autoers see this and took the roles of suppliers.

 

 

 

Overall, the price was affected...but what about the barrows armours, ranger sets, dag king rings, d bows whips...They dropped significantly and is still dropping, so now who do you blame? Obviously more players of cause!

 

 

 

From what I saw, 5~10yew cutters on a tree, the flooding of autoers will eventually fail A LONG TIME I MAY SADLY ADD, they compete intrusively (lowering and lowering rl value)for illegal trading. The only way to stop this is toughen on the banning of rl trading so rl trading can't be done anymore.

There is a massive ammount of macroers who dont real life trade.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

There is a massive ammount of macroers who dont real life trade.

Well now even if you factor that in, that's just marginal difference to the economy.

 

 

 

Is selling price dropping "really so bad?"

 

People should avoid fishing/ fletching if you plan on selling them, seriously get over it- there are many ways to make gp w/o worrying price drops.

[meili]

There is a massive ammount of macroers who dont real life trade.

Well now even if you factor that in, that's just marginal difference to the economy.

 

 

 

Is selling price dropping "really so bad?"

 

People should avoid fishing/ fletching if you plan on selling them, seriously get over it- there are many ways to make gp w/o worrying price drops.

 

 

 

I see that in the field of logic, you fight unarmed.

 

 

 

If price drops don't matter, then price increases don't matter either. If there are many ways to make gp without worrying about price drops then there are, conversely, many ways of making go without worrying about price increases.

 

 

 

If people should avoid skills like fishing/fletching..well there goes mining/crafting/smithing/runecrafting... and every other skill. :lol:

 

 

 

I should really stop replying to posts like yours which make no sense.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

There is a massive ammount of macroers who dont real life trade.

Well now even if you factor that in, that's just marginal difference to the economy.

 

 

 

Is selling price dropping "really so bad?"

 

People should avoid fishing/ fletching if you plan on selling them, seriously get over it- there are many ways to make gp w/o worrying price drops.

 

If people should avoid skills like fishing/fletching..well there goes mining/crafting/smithing/runecrafting... and every other skill. :lol:

 

 

 

I should really stop replying to posts like yours which make no sense.

 

fishing/fletching aren't even remotely related to mining/crafting/smithing/runecrafting...Fishing-cooking, fletching for the purpose of magic. So far people are whining over fishes, and logs (yews and magics) so you exaggerated a lot. Besides, generally speaking (mining/crafting/smithing/runecrafting) normally have a steady growth.

[Randox]

Well, if autoers have depresed the price of the item you sell for a living than thinking autoers suck big time is probaly the point of view that makes the most sense. Now, if the price drops dont affect your income and make the things you want to buy cheeper than there not that bad.

 

 

 

I hate them on principle. There either making money in real life, or making the live of people who actualy play the game harder. They dont really play, just interfere and to be honest, I resent that with passion. When teh creators of a game dont put in cheats, than just accept it and play the game, dont find your own way to cheat if it affects other people.

 

 

 

Cheating to make your life is fine as long as your the only person effected by it.

[foodmanfood1]

low priced things are nice :D but i still probably couldn't afford them :lol:

[maddudy]

sorry yes it is that hard

 

everywhere u go u see a bald green man walking around at a tree or a fishing spot

 

autos attacks trees like is they was nothing killing it b4 a real player can cut it for exp

 

 

 

i dont care for low price for fish and logs

 

the only time i even bought logs was when i did willows

 

the only other thing i buy is bs and p ess

 

bots kept the p ess low at 80 ea which made me happy

 

really the only bad thing for me is that p ess are 150 ea now?(price check)?

 

i never bought fish my 80 cooking was from everything i fished my self with my time

 

 

 

armor dont count people