baalboy5 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Was the theory of God just created because of how undevolped people were back then and though that rain was God's tears or that a earthquake was God's wrath? Im so-so atm, but I'm still gonna respect God enough to use a 'G' Don't you know the first rule of MMO's? Anyone higher level than you has no life, and anyone lower than you is a noob. People in OT eat glass when they are bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunee_boy Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 As for the "pie paradox", it's just a replay of the Omnipotence Paradox, used primarily by Thomas Aquinas. There are many different parts to Omnipotence. Omnipotence: Being able to do anything. <- Fails the Paradox. Almighty: Being far greater in power than anything, nothing can contest. <- Defies Omnipotence. Absolute Omnipotence: God doesn't follow our laws and can thus do anything beyond logic. <- It kind of "cheats" the Paradox but in the end DEFEATS it! Essential Omnipotence: It's Omnipotent, ONLY BECAUSE OF LOGIC. It can't do anything illogical, but why would it try to defy logic? SUPER-DUPER GODLINESS!: G0D H4x0rzed j00! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 So it's decided. God is a h4xxj0r. I'ma call the internet police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Was the theory of God just created because of how undevolped people were back then and though that rain was God's tears or that a earthquake was God's wrath? Im so-so atm, but I'm still gonna respect God enough to use a 'G' Theory of God? ...Back then? Not exactly. People have been embodying spirituality since we decided "Hey, I'm not a monkey any more." Eh, it's not a crime to be ignorant of things most of the world doesn't know, and none of us really understand. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Was the theory of God just created because of how undevolped people were back then and though that rain was God's tears or that a earthquake was God's wrath? Im so-so atm, but I'm still gonna respect God enough to use a 'G' Theory of God? ...Back then? Not exactly. People have been embodying spirituality since we decided "Hey, I'm not a monkey any more." Eh, it's not a crime to be ignorant of things most of the world doesn't know, and none of us really understand. Are you talking about the 'G' in God being capitalized as opposed to 'g'od? Because it's really just simple grammar: God is a proper noun, like a name. Therefore, it's first letter in capitalized...I wouldn't call you lenticular, I'd call you Lenticular. Similiarly, you should call me Raven, not raven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 ...Whaaaaaa? I wasn't referring to his little grammar part at all. I like it when people capitalize God's name, but, hey, I guess if they don't believe in Him, they don't really have to. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 ...Sorry. Just...Raven being Raven. 8-) I'm sorry, I should be studying for finals, but Tip.It called. Anywhooo. The source of the MONOTHEISTIC Abrahmic God is through prophets and physical appearances of the Lord. Not because people just said so. That was there the polytheistic greek gods, like Hephaestus and Zeus came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowager286 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 ...Sorry. Just...Raven being Raven. 8-) I'm sorry, I should be studying for finals, but Tip.It called. Anywhooo. The source of the MONOTHEISTIC Abrahmic God is through prophets and physical appearances of the Lord. Not because people just said so. That was there the polytheistic greek gods, like Hephaestus and Zeus came from. I have no Idea if your being sarcastic or not. If you are being sarcastic, then you should make your sarcasm slightly more obvious. If your aren't, then you just made a terrible argument that a 4th grader shouldn't be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Oooh, insults. I haven't faced those before. I have faith that the prophets like Moses were telling the truth. Maybe physical appearances was a bad choice of words, but...yeah. Direct divine influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowager286 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Oooh, insults. I haven't faced those before. I have faith that the prophets like Moses were telling the truth. Maybe physical appearances was a bad choice of words, but...yeah. Direct divine influence. I'm not insulting you, I insulted your argument... .Which was terrible. The reason it was so terrible and looked at first to be sarcasm is because the ancient Greeks had prophets, they had TONS of stories that quite a few believed.(the numbers might have fallen later on in Greek culture.) I think your right personally, but your argument was pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Mmmmm...except that the polytheistic prophets claimed erroneous things, and largely after the Pantheon had been established. The stories were created by farmers to explain things they couldn't. Things explained by modern religions like Christianity are still - surprise - unexplained. Creation of matter is still unexplained, so God is still a completely viable fallback. All of the Greek Gods were debunked by science, and until we get some hard proof that everything that God says or said is wrong, then I'ma go with God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomai Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I'm interested to know how science "debunked" the Greek gods. :idea: It seems more likely that science has not debunked the Greek gods, but rather some of the claims that were associated with them. If this is all that is needed to "debunk a god," then the Judeo-Christian God would have been debunked long ago. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0rd Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I'm interested to know how science "debunked" the Greek gods. :idea: It seems more likely that science has not debunked the Greek gods, but rather some of the claims that were associated with them. If this is all that is needed to "debunk a god," then the Judeo-Christian God would have been debunked long ago. ;) No, the Greek gods were physical beings, not an illusive and esoteric deity like the Judeo-Christian God. It has been proven, scientifically, that humans cannot throw lighting, stand on clouds, be invincible...etc. [iNSERT "I R EATIN TEH SHIX ATM" BILL COSBY SIGNATURE GIF HERE, LOL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Zombie Nazis! They haven't been debunked. They could exist! ...but logic dictates otherwise. Unless you consider nazis to be zombies...which I'd sympathize with. The arguments associated with God largely remain un-debunked. Science debunked the Greek gods because once they no longer had any powers associated with them, then they weren't Gods anymore. I suppose there could still be giants astride in the heavens, immortal and watching, but they don't do crap. EDIT: Lame, they won't let me post from 4chan. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 No, the Greek gods were physical beings, not an illusive and esoteric deity like the Judeo-Christian God. It has been proven, scientifically, that humans cannot throw lighting, stand on clouds, be invincible...etc. Eh, to some extent they were. I love Greek polytheism, despite how mussed and confusing it is. You never know if the stories are expected to be true or not - because how many were prophesies, were bedtime stories, and whatnot. Zeus would certainly be high in the rankings for most bad-[wagon] popular deity in history, though. Seriously - he throws lightning, killed his father, and married his sister. And rides a unicycle. I just realized I had nothing to really say. AH WELL. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It's OT, Lenticular! My signature is a storm-trooper doing pelvic hip-thrusts! You don't NEED to have something to say! THE MIND REELS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0rd Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Exactly, red-tape rivals, recycling bibles. Silly storm-trooper, you're not supposed to be thrusting, YOUR A STORM-TROOPER! [iNSERT "I R EATIN TEH SHIX ATM" BILL COSBY SIGNATURE GIF HERE, LOL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Must...resist urge...to divide...by 0! We don't get anything done. :twss: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomai Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 No, the Greek gods were physical beings, not an illusive and esoteric deity like the Judeo-Christian God. It has been proven, scientifically, that humans cannot throw lighting, stand on clouds, be invincible...etc. ... Or walk on water, or turn water into wine? ;) And the Greek gods were not "humans," they were gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_gaurd0 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I call for shenanigans. I'm going to bed. I'll go yell at you all with my ossum-sauce trooper tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtaurian Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I call for shenanigans. I'm going to bed. I'll go yell at you all with my ossum-sauce trooper tomorrow. I don't believe you have a bed. Enjoy your inability to sleep comfortably. To put it bluntly, [bleep] off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernHero Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 ^ Nothing has to be be created from nothing, if it always were. No need for god there either. Don't be an idiot. Can't we just have a civil conversation without resorting to this kind of cheapness? :| Being an atheist is one thing, denial is another. If the whole basis of science is that everything that occurs has a logical answer, then there must be a cause to the Big Bang. For that to happen, there must have been something already there, no matter how small, for it to occur. The question is therefore this: What made that small space? What made the particles that caused the Big Bang? And what made those things? And what made that thing? So on, and so forth... Why does there has to be a cause to big bang? I think it's as logical, if not even more, that there is no "maker" at all. Or no beginning therefore. The ultimate answer just could be that the time has no beginning. It always has been and always will. Does flower have a maker? No. It just is. Reality is hundreds of times more beautiful and more interesting than delusions. Fairy tales just tend to be easier to follow than the wonderful intricacies of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowager286 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Can't we just have a civil conversation without resorting to this kind of cheapness? No, what Northern hero said was a load of crap,It didn't even make sense! (How in the hell do you create nothingness? :| ) Why does there has to be a cause to big bang? I think it's as logical, if not even more, that there is no "maker" at all. Or no beginning therefore. The ultimate answer just could be that the time has no beginning. It always has been and always will. Does flower have a maker? No. It just is. Because I find it difficult to believe that stuff just happens to exist. Unless science can give me a solid good reason as to why stuff exists for no good reason then I will remain skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moad14 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Science can not prove anything. This is the undeniable truth. You can get close by forming theories and testing them, but you have to take that final jump in the faith that your theory is correct. It is the same with religion; it's all about your beliefs in the end. Obviously many people have forgotten this. You need not separate science and religion though; I have theories that combine every seemingly sound scientific belief and exact words from the Bible. I haven't enough information on most other religions to debate those yet though. If you'd like to talk about this, private message me in-game please. I prefer a real-time conversation so I can answer questions more efficiently. I love to meet people; send me a pm if you see me on RuneScape! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Why does there has to be a cause to big bang? I think it's as logical, if not even more, that there is no "maker" at all. Or no beginning therefore. The ultimate answer just could be that the time has no beginning. It always has been and always will. Does flower have a maker? No. It just is. Of course it has a maker - the bulb or the seed that it grew from, the rain it gained water from, and the soil it drew nutrition from. Everything that exists must have been created by something(s) before it. The universe is surely no exception to that rule, and that's the one fallacy science is unable to explain so far: How do you create something from nothing? My logical answer would be this: There must have been something there before the Big Bang. In which case, what caused that? | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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