Is God real post your thoughts!

[Lenticular_J]

There are different degrees of theists. Some refuse to send their children to state schools, because they afraid of the influence that teaching reality might have.

 

Degrees of humanity.

[dusqi]

Not all religion says that. Nothing is stopping you from believing in God but not what the bible says about him either. You make it seem like you can't have one without the other.

 

 

 

True, that. My question to you though, and I am genuinely interested in the answer, is why you think that God is more plausible/likely than flying pink elephants? You have said that it is a matter of opinion, what do you base yours on?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aw yes. Dawkins, the infallible pope of atheism.

 

 

 

This statement is both wrong and funny. It is wrong, because Dawkins says that he and everyone else can and should be questioned. It is funny, because you think that it is an insult to say that atheism has an infallible pope, and yet the idea obviously comes from religion itself. So if it is a bad thing to follow someone (or something, i.e. Bible) who can't be wrong and teaches all, why are you religious? :) (I assume you are, I might be wrong).

[Zierro]

True, that. My question to you though, and I am genuinely interested in the answer, is why you think that God is more plausible/likely than flying pink elephants? You have said that it is a matter of opinion, what do you base yours on?

 

 

 

When trying to explain things such as the miracle of life and origin of the universe, God can fit into the puzzle so nicely sometimes.

[Ginger_Warrior]

True, that. My question to you though, and I am genuinely interested in the answer, is why you think that God is more plausible/likely than flying pink elephants? You have said that it is a matter of opinion, what do you base yours on?

 

 

 

When trying to explain things such as the miracle of life and origin of the universe, God can fit into the puzzle so nicely sometimes.

 

There is a difference between not knowing the answer to a problem and fitting the hole in that knowledge with "God", and actually believing in conclusive proof that such an entity exists.

[Zierro]

I'm guessing you took it that I am a theist?

[Lenticular_J]

There is a difference between not knowing the answer to a problem and fitting the hole in that knowledge with "God", and actually believing in conclusive proof that such an entity exists.

 

Sounds a lot like the numerous popular theories about the universe's origin to me, only this one's been in use for longer than civilization's existence.

[warri0r45]

True, that. My question to you though, and I am genuinely interested in the answer, is why you think that God is more plausible/likely than flying pink elephants? You have said that it is a matter of opinion, what do you base yours on?

 

 

 

When trying to explain things such as the miracle of life and origin of the universe, God can fit into the puzzle so nicely sometimes.

 

 

 

I could make up any entity I want, complete with properties I define, to answer any question I want. Literally, anything.

 

 

 

That doesn't make the entity in any way real, nor it's use in answering questions compelling. To my way of thinking, any such thing is a complete cop out to rational scrutiny.

[Zierro]

I could make up any entity I want, complete with properties I define, to answer any question I want. Literally, anything.

 

 

 

Yeah, just like the big bang theory. I know.

 

 

 

That doesn't make the entity in any way real, nor it's use in answering questions compelling. To my way of thinking, any such thing is a complete cop out to rational scrutiny.

 

 

 

It doesn't render it completely false either, does it? Must I state that I'm agnostic in every post? You seem to be thinking that I'm saying God exists when all I'm really saying is he can exist. And why do you atheists keep repeating what the last one just said? Sorry but it's getting a bit tedious.

[warri0r45]

I could make up any entity I want, complete with properties I define, to answer any question I want. Literally, anything.

 

 

 

Yeah, just like the big bang theory. I know.

 

 

 

That doesn't make the entity in any way real, nor it's use in answering questions compelling. To my way of thinking, any such thing is a complete cop out to rational scrutiny.

 

 

 

It doesn't render it completely false either, does it? Must I state that I'm agnostic in every post? And why do you atheists keep repeating what the last one just said? Sorry but it's getting a bit tedious.

 

 

 

The big bang theory can be tested. I'm no expert on it by a long shot, but the foremost theory in astronomy doesn't become so without being tested. Comparing it with god as an answer to questions of reality is rediculous, really.

 

 

 

And what's with this "you atheists" jab? I'm just giving my opinion on your comment. What does you being agnostic have to do with it?

[Zierro]

The big bang theory can be tested. I'm no expert on it by a long shot, but the foremost theory in astronomy doesn't become so without being tested. Comparing it with god as an answer to questions of reality is rediculous, really.

 

 

 

And what's with this "you atheists" jab? I'm just giving my opinion on your comment. What does you being agnostic have to do with it?

 

 

 

Because the past few pages have been talking about the same exact thing you brought up. You're just reiterating exactly what I replied to. I know it happens a lot in these big threads and I'm sorry but I just get bored when I have to go in circles.

[Ginger_Warrior]

There is a difference between not knowing the answer to a problem and fitting the hole in that knowledge with "God", and actually believing in conclusive proof that such an entity exists.

 

Sounds a lot like the numerous popular theories about the universe's origin to me, only this one's been in use for longer than civilization's existence.

 

You're assuming I actually believe the Big Bang is the be-all-and-end-all of explaining the universe's origin. I don't.

 

 

 

The beauty of science is that it is continuous. We could work out what started the universe, but that would lead to another question, "What was before the Big Bang?". Religion is too absolute - there is God, then there is a world, then He made life. No one seems to think "Well, what made God?".

 

 

 

Much as the theist argument goes "Big Bang? You can't make something out of nothing" - and they're right to say that because of the laws of conservation of mass - I look at religion and think "God? He can't have appeared from nowhere".

 

 

 

With science, there is a method to answering that question. Religion seems to conveniently brush the question to one side and say, "Don't ask it again, or you'll be sentenced to eternal damnation in Hell!".

[assassin_696]

Interestingly, with regards to the origins of matter/energy, there's no particular reason to believe why nothingness should be the default position. In fact, all the evidence points towards nothingness/vacuums being inherently unstable, quickly decaying into "something". Therefore it would be far more curious if there was a sustained period of nothingness, this would be more likely to indicate divine intervention.

[Zierro]

You're assuming I actually believe the Big Bang is the be-all-and-end-all of explaining the universe's origin. I don't.

 

 

 

Sounds very similar to what you said to me actually.

 

 

 

The beauty of science is that it is continuous. We could work out what started the universe, but that would lead to another question, "What was before the Big Bang?". Religion is too absolute - there is God, then there is a world, then He made life. No one seems to think "Well, what made God?".

 

 

 

I like combining the both of them. And I don't think that it's impossible.

 

 

 

Much as the theist argument goes "Big Bang? You can't make something out of nothing" - and they're right to say that because of the laws of conservation of mass - I look at religion and think "God? He can't have appeared from nowhere".

 

 

 

It looks like the teapot argument could be used against both of those.

 

 

 

Interestingly, with regards to the origins of matter/energy, there's no particular reason to believe why nothingness should be the default position. In fact, all the evidence points towards nothingness/vacuums being inherently unstable, quickly decaying into "something". Therefore it would be far more curious if there was a sustained period of nothingness, this would be more likely to indicate divine intervention.

 

 

 

That's interesting. I thought of that too. What if everything just "was"?

[Lenticular_J]

With science, there is a method to answering that question. Religion seems to conveniently brush the question to one side and say, "Don't ask it again, or you'll be sentenced to eternal damnation in Hell!".

 

Either say you're talking about Catholicism, or bring into account every monotheistic religion there is. If you claim that every religion rejects science and threatens with Hell, you come across as very ignorant. Islam in particular was at one time a utopia between God (or, Allah) and science (in particular astrology, medicine, and mathematics). Science was done in the name of Him. Of course, many other religions are the same, but Islam in particular is an example. However, I do have to agree that the current void between religion (in particular the Vatican) and science (in particular CERN and other such groups) is very regrettable.

 

 

 

Interestingly, with regards to the origins of matter/energy, there's no particular reason to believe why nothingness should be the default position. In fact, all the evidence points towards nothingness/vacuums being inherently unstable, quickly decaying into "something". Therefore it would be far more curious if there was a sustained period of nothingness, this would be more likely to indicate divine intervention.

 

Whoa, that is interesting. Where'd you find that? I wanna read a bit more about it.

[Furah]

"Well, what made God?"

 

 

 

nothing made God, because if it did then it would be God.

 

 

 

With science, there is a method to answering that question. Religion seems to conveniently brush the question to one side and say, "Don't ask it again, or you'll be sentenced to eternal damnation in Hell!".

 

 

 

wow, that is sad if that's what you think religion is like (well atleast the Christian side, haven't learnt much about the others.) Not only that, but I dislike the use of the word religion, as it makes it seem like a bunch of rules that you must follow, yet it isn't.

[assassin_696]

Interestingly, with regards to the origins of matter/energy, there's no particular reason to believe why nothingness should be the default position. In fact, all the evidence points towards nothingness/vacuums being inherently unstable, quickly decaying into "something". Therefore it would be far more curious if there was a sustained period of nothingness, this would be more likely to indicate divine intervention.

 

Whoa, that is interesting. Where'd you find that? I wanna read a bit more about it.

 

 

 

Victor J. Stenger has explained the concept in some detail in his books, but since I can't find any online sources that quote him directly i'll point you to a review of two of his books, here.

 

 

 

From the review:

 

 

 

As Stenger points out in his remarkable book The Comprehensible Cosmos, all the matter and energy in the universe, including the newly discovered dark matter and dark energy that comprise most of the cosmos, balances out to zero. "Nothing," as physics Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek put it, "is unstable". The void cannot be conceived as ultimately empty.

 

 

 

I'll try and find some better sources or just read the books and put it into my own words.

[Zierro]

Much as the theist argument goes "Big Bang? You can't make something out of nothing" - and they're right to say that because of the laws of conservation of mass - I look at religion and think "God? He can't have appeared from nowhere".

 

 

 

I got something else to say about this. Where in religion is there a law stating that "God must have an origin"? Science clearly contradicts itself in this sense - and instead of defending science, you throw religion under the bus too. Well, what does that tell you about that type of question? This brings me back to my initial point. Some people seem to think logic can solve everything. Here's proof otherwise. I honestly don't believe we're at the peak of our intelligence. People have been assuming this kind of thing for years and years. Ever think for a second that there is a law in which we can't apply our limited logic to metaphysics? I mean, we can and it might be fun to ponder and all, but it's getting us nowhere at the moment.

 

 

 

If you ask Zierro, he'll say that both forms of reasoning are overrated.

[limpbizkit]

"Well, what made God?"

 

 

 

nothing made God, because if it did then it would be God.

 

 

 

With science, there is a method to answering that question. Religion seems to conveniently brush the question to one side and say, "Don't ask it again, or you'll be sentenced to eternal damnation in Hell!".

 

 

 

wow, that is sad if that's what you think religion is like (well atleast the Christian side, haven't learnt much about the others.) Not only that, but I dislike the use of the word religion, as it makes it seem like a bunch of rules that you must follow, yet it isn't.

 

 

 

Coming off you this is pathetic. After what YOU said about it yourself on msn.

[Furah]

"Well, what made God?"

 

 

 

nothing made God, because if it did then it would be God.

 

 

 

With science, there is a method to answering that question. Religion seems to conveniently brush the question to one side and say, "Don't ask it again, or you'll be sentenced to eternal damnation in Hell!".

 

 

 

wow, that is sad if that's what you think religion is like (well atleast the Christian side, haven't learnt much about the others.) Not only that, but I dislike the use of the word religion, as it makes it seem like a bunch of rules that you must follow, yet it isn't.

 

 

 

Coming off you this is pathetic. After what YOU said about it yourself on msn.

 

 

 

Yes, there may be some rules, but that's not what Chrsitianity is about. After all, if there was no rules then we could do what we want, and even in the 'free' countries there are still laws and rules to keep people safe. Yes, I know there are some stupid laws out there, but since they are there to protect us then I shall abide by them, unless they conflict. Then I shall refer to the Bible 1st, and then I shall refer to the government laws, in order of what I feel is most valid. Hence why I am still against homosexual/bisexual activity (not people.)

[limpbizkit]

"Well, what made God?"

 

 

 

nothing made God, because if it did then it would be God.

 

 

 

With science, there is a method to answering that question. Religion seems to conveniently brush the question to one side and say, "Don't ask it again, or you'll be sentenced to eternal damnation in Hell!".

 

 

 

wow, that is sad if that's what you think religion is like (well atleast the Christian side, haven't learnt much about the others.) Not only that, but I dislike the use of the word religion, as it makes it seem like a bunch of rules that you must follow, yet it isn't.

 

 

 

Coming off you this is pathetic. After what YOU said about it yourself on msn.

 

 

 

Yes, there may be some rules, but that's not what Chrsitianity is about. After all, if there was no rules then we could do what we want, and even in the 'free' countries there are still laws and rules to keep people safe. Yes, I know there are some stupid laws out there, but since they are there to protect us then I shall abide by them, unless they conflict. Then I shall refer to the Bible 1st, and then I shall refer to the government laws, in order of what I feel is most valid. Hence why I am still against homosexual/bisexual activity (not people.)

 

 

 

Point is if your even claming to be religous then youd know that things like the bible are only a GUIDE. And thats simply because society is COMPLETLY diffrent to what it was back then.

[Baldur]

God is real. I don't think God is real, I am sure. Say w/e you want about it, say that I am a fool for believing in a religion...But I don't consider my self having a religion, I have fate. Let's take our lovely planet for my next example: The inclination of the earth is 23,27 degrees...science (or whats left of it) proved that if we were at 23,26 we would burn and if we were at 23,28 we would freeze. Your so called big-bang could not have been so precise, its like taking a toothbrush and paint and scrub the brush on your fingers to try making a painting that will be detailled.

 

Why ppl who believe in God and follows the bible are so blessed, while ppl who are atheist often find their life "plain"?

 

 

 

Why do I see a lot of ppl saying their life is empty and are trying to search for the answer to their problems or think that "The Secret" (a book and a dvd about getting what you want in life) will change their lives forever while ppl who believes in God and the bible and are following those say they fell blessed, they know God is acting in their lives?

 

 

 

Why my neighbor (and close friend) was diagnozed with lungs cancer and was said to have only 2 months left to live and then those 2 months became 4 months and those became 4 years and so on (he is still alive) All the cancerous tissues have disapered and he has the pulmonary capacity of a 30 yrs old guy (he his 70). The doctors could not explain this and they were 100% sure my neighbor had cancer at the first place and the x-ray showed it. My neighbor happens to believe in god the bible, etc... Why is he still alive while doctors told him 4 years ago you will have 2 months to live when God is not real and is a myth....why?

 

 

 

Call me crazy, call me stupid, call me a pawn in a plan that we have no idea it is happening. I know God is real.

[Greatsilverwyrm]

God is real. I don't think God is real, I am sure. Say w/e you want about it, say that I am a fool for believing in a religion...But I don't consider my self having a religion, I have fate. Let's take our lovely planet for my next example: The inclination of the earth is 23,27 degrees...science (or whats left of it) proved that if we were at 23,26 we would burn and if we were at 23,28 we would freeze.

 

Link to source? I'm fairly sure that if our axis was differently tipped we would simply more/less differentiated seasons.

 

 

 

Why my neighbor (and close friend) was diagnozed with lungs cancer and was said to have only 2 months left to live and then those 2 months became 4 months and those became 4 years and so on (he is still alive) All the cancerous tissues have disapered and he has the pulmonary capacity of a 30 yrs old guy (he his 70). The doctors could not explain this and they were 100% sure my neighbor had cancer at the first place and the x-ray showed it. My neighbor happens to believe in god the bible, etc... Why is he still alive while doctors told him 4 years ago you will have 2 months to live when God is not real and is a myth....why?

 

 

 

This isn't outside the realm of possibility at all. Assuming it actually did happen.

[Agunimon979]

God is real. I don't think God is real, I am sure. Say w/e you want about it, say that I am a fool for believing in a religion...But I don't consider my self having a religion, I have fate. Let's take our lovely planet for my next example: The inclination of the earth is 23,27 degrees...science (or whats left of it) proved that if we were at 23,26 we would burn and if we were at 23,28 we would freeze. Your so called big-bang could not have been so precise, its like taking a toothbrush and paint and scrub the brush on your fingers to try making a painting that will be detailled.

 

 

 

I dont think god is real, however I dont think we will ever know how this earth was made so I slightly agree. I think.

 

 

 

Why ppl who believe in God and follows the bible are so blessed, while ppl who are atheist often find their life "plain"?

 

 

 

I agree that the church brings families together, but it separates everyone else from you. Also I'm an atheist and my life is much more wild and crazier than a little "o bibel dusnt say its rihgt" bible thumper.

 

 

 

Why do I see a lot of ppl saying their life is empty and are trying to search for the answer to their problems or think that "The Secret" (a book and a dvd about getting what you want in life) will change their lives forever while ppl who believes in God and the bible and are following those say they fell blessed, they know God is acting in their lives?

 

 

 

God is not in your life, lol, who told you that?

 

 

 

Why my neighbor (and close friend) was diagnozed with lungs cancer and was said to have only 2 months left to live and then those 2 months became 4 months and those became 4 years and so on (he is still alive) All the cancerous tissues have disapered and he has the pulmonary capacity of a 30 yrs old guy (he his 70). The doctors could not explain this and they were 100% sure my neighbor had cancer at the first place and the x-ray showed it. My neighbor happens to believe in god the bible, etc... Why is he still alive while doctors told him 4 years ago you will have 2 months to live when God is not real and is a myth....why?

 

 

 

People who don't believe in god DO survive just as much, the bible thumpers however dont care and only report the christians who survive "to raese moer money fur the church ppl will go heer more ololol"

 

 

 

Call me crazy, call me stupid, call me a pawn in a plan that we have no idea it is happening. I know God is real.

 

 

 

Yes, and I believe Candlejack is real. Damn crazy peo

[Lenticular_J]

While pope isn't making an argument the (should I call you guys the opposition? that sounds too mean) would want, I like people like that. Not necessarily religious, just believing in a God(s).

 

 

 

By the way, Agunimon. Take your stupid somewhere else. We really don't like it.

[Agunimon979]

 

By the way, Agunimon. Take your stupid somewhere else. We really don't like it.

 

 

 

ooh, what are you going to do, type at me? From behind your little computer desk? You're not tough on the internet.