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The Doctrine of Estoppel

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as usual your msgs of complete nonsense completely befuddle me. 1 person gets a message such as this and you go off about unfairness and whatnot. First off , Jagex has NEVER and will NEVER change names for anyone.

 

Second off , the fact this guy got the offer he did is a hell of alot better than alot of people have in the past. For example Fkedyomomm. A person who was VERY VERY well known in his time for pking , and high stats. Back when server status was up , along with being very active on the original tip it forums. In no way did he ever hide his name or try to reamain unnoticed. Right after he achieved 99 hp on Classic they banned him for his "offensive" name. He was in no was offered any type of compensation for his time or money he paid for members. So this guy is getting it pretty good.

 

Also remember from the T & C of RuneScape. Your character , items , and anything in game belong to Jagex , your only "renting" it. So they can pretty much do as they please.

 

 

 

And if you think they are goin on witch hunts for names that "may" be offensive to players , take a look at the highscores sometime. I just did and saw names that to some may be offensive to some people. For example any name refering to Satan to the hardcore religous people.

 

Or for example a tip it mod here named Virgin Queen .

 

 

 

Before you put yourself up on this soap box and try to preach about unfairness and how they are doing players wrong stop and think. People say that 60-80% of the players of RuneScape are minors. Minors being under 18 , most being from 12-16 years old. Think of it from a parental point of view. Would you want your children to be playing a game with the names your trying to defend and say should have been left because they put the time into it? As you said Jagex can't keep track or filter every name that is made. So who is at fault when they do find out about the name and threaten to lock it out. Jagex or the person who deliberately knew they were bypassing a filter?

 

 

 

Your entire post is based around the false assumption that the name 'KrazyFaken' is actually offensive.

 

 

 

To be see any thing wrong in such a name, ones mind would have to be severely perverted enough that I doubt they would be offended by it.

 

 

 

Jadex needs to grow a pair and tell these whiners 'Lol, no. It's not offensive. Just ignore it.'

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I suppose they are just not re-naming players because otherwise people could say I think my name might be found as offensive please can I change it?

 

 

 

Must be something to do with a matter of principle in my opinion.

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Your entire post is based around the false assumption that the name 'KrazyFaken' is actually offensive.

 

 

 

To be see any thing wrong in such a name, ones mind would have to be severely perverted enough that I doubt they would be offended by it.

 

 

 

Jadex needs to grow a pair and tell these whiners 'Lol, no. It's not offensive. Just ignore it.'

 

 

 

The name can be seen as it is. Doesn't matter what the person truely intended it to be. With so many people trying to bypass the filters who truely knows what the persons name was "meant" to be. There is no way to. I could make a name and mean it as it looks , but when confronted about it say it was meant another way.

 

 

 

And if you don't see the possibility of the name "KrazyFaken" as offensive let me spell it out for you. There are many ways of trying to bypass the filter for swears. Examples of just 1 word. The ever dreaded F word.

 

 

 

Fook , Fak , Fuq , Fugger , faker are just a few. Yes I made the word Faker bold due to the uncanny resemblance to the word f*cker.

 

Put that part into another exmaple you may see in game.

 

"you mother faker you stole my training spot." The word faker being used to bypass a filter to get your meaning across.

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I didn't even have to read the entire article to agree Qeltar. Especially for the name "Krazyfaken" which I assume as Crazy Faking but with with an e and no g. Like: I'm fakin it all! But with an e, that's real sad, good thing I didn't make an offensive username, but it is ridiculous. Unfortunately Jagex has said to even long term members or users, that even if you have been around so long, you're not exempt from the rules, that'd be unfair to everyone else if they took a special taking towards old school peoples.

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Fook , Fak , Fuq , Fugger , faker are just a few. Yes I made the word Faker bold due to the uncanny resemblance to the word f*cker.

 

 

 

Yes, but that doesn't mean the name was intended as a censor bypass.

 

 

 

"Faker" means somebody who fakes something.

 

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faker

 

 

 

It could only be taken offensively if you want to be offended, it's like saying that "Shiitake mushrooms" is offensive when it isn't.

 

 

 

The name can be seen as it is. Doesn't matter what the person truely intended it to be. With so many people trying to bypass the filters who truely knows what the persons name was "meant" to be. There is no way to. I could make a name and mean it as it looks , but when confronted about it say it was meant another way.

 

 

 

And if you don't see the possibility of the name "KrazyFaken" as offensive let me spell it out for you. There are many ways of trying to bypass the filter for swears. Examples of just 1 word. The ever dreaded F word.

 

 

 

Fook , Fak , Fuq , Fugger , faker are just a few. Yes I made the word Faker bold due to the uncanny resemblance to the word f*cker.

 

Put that part into another exmaple you may see in game.

 

"you mother faker you stole my training spot." The word faker being used to bypass a filter to get your meaning across.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter what it may be perceived as.

 

 

 

The only thing that matters is what it IS.

 

 

 

Sure, I can see how are few either extremely uptight, or extremely immature people may be be able to construe such a name as offensive.

 

 

 

However why pander to such shortsighted people? Honestly,

 

 

 

'KrazyFaken'

 

 

 

There's a lot of much easier ways to be offensive.

 

 

 

This is a player who has attracted much public attention to himself over a long period of time, if Jagex actually considered his name offensive themselves - they would have dealt with it a long time ago.

 

 

 

By claiming 'we have had too many reports' they are insinuating that they don't think it's offensive. It's a blame shift.

 

 

 

Considering the idea that they don't personally find it offensive - if Jagex had any nerve, they would tell the reporters to grow up and stop wasting customer service time.

 

 

 

- Gid.

 

 

 

Edit: After a google search, I found no reference to anyone using the word Faken in any form of offensive manner on the first 4 pages. Maybe if I looked further?

 

 

 

'Faken' wasn't even defined in the urban dictionary, my first port of call when I need to find the meaning of any offensive slang.

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Fook , Fak , Fuq , Fugger , faker are just a few. Yes I made the word Faker bold due to the uncanny resemblance to the word f*cker.

 

 

 

Yes, but that doesn't mean the name was intended as a censor bypass.

 

 

 

"Faker" means somebody who fakes something.

 

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faker

 

 

 

It could only be taken offensively if you want to be offended, it's like saying that "Shiitake mushrooms" is offensive when it isn't.

 

 

 

your exmple does not apply to this whereas the word shiitake is used in its proper format. and as far as using the word faker as it is meant to be is one thing. but who is to say that is what it is meant to be? Jagex can't go to every person and say hey what does your name mean or how is it intended to be pronounced.

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It doesn't matter what it may be perceived as.

 

 

 

The only thing that matters is what it IS.

 

 

 

Sure, I can see how are few either extremely uptight, or extremely immature people may be be able to construe such a name as offensive.

 

 

 

However why pander to such shortsighted people? Honestly,

 

 

 

- Gid.

 

 

 

do I need to remind you of the average age of runescape players? and how stupid that comment is? Seeing as most players are from the ages of 12-16 who think snot is funny , farting is a reason to burst into laughter. You need to take into consideration how "mature" most of the players are.

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Ive put my question marks with some of your posts. But this, this just gets my 100% of support.

 

 

 

If these children *cough* Extreme wannabe mods *cough* are offended by a user named Krazyfaken, then please, go play Habbo hotel.

 

Its these kind of people that get offended if they are told they are a cabbage, or even a cart. If Jagex knows whats good for them they will have to try and keep their loyal players instead of all the new kiddo's who don't understand nada.

 

 

 

And I have seen absolutely NO account ever changing username. Ever.

 

 

 

Can't J-mods change their name?

 

 

 

no, i belive that they use j mod accounts for offical buisness, and personal accounts for fun. also, im pretty sure they edit in their j mod accoutn stats, so this is possible and should be done for the "offensively" named players....

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do I need to remind you of the average age of runescape players? and how stupid that comment is? Seeing as most players are from the ages of 12-16 who think snot is funny , farting is a reason to burst into laughter. You need to take into consideration how "mature" most of the players are.

 

 

 

So basically your argument is that since the majority is unable to perceive truth, we should adjust our own concept of truth?

 

 

 

The truth is that KrazyFaken is not offensive.

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"Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned- Tyler"

 

 

 

So basically your argument is that since the majority is unable to perceive truth, we should adjust our own concept of truth?

 

 

 

The truth is that KrazyFaken is not offensive.

 

 

 

What I am saying is that because the majority of maturity cannot handle maturity when it comes to such things. As I said how a "child" perceives such words is completely different from an adult. You don't see many adults trying to bypass a chat filter. Nor do you see them walking around calling each other some of the slang terms used in the game. Regardless if the name is or isn't is a mute point. it can be seen as such.

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1 person gets a message such as this and you go off about unfairness and whatnot.

 

 

It's not just one person. Stop, engage your brain, and think about the issue.

 

 

 

If Jagex wants to do this to people who have been using these names for years, the least they can do is to give them the stats and rewards they have earned on their new accounts.

 

 

 

Simple and reasonable.

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What I am saying is that because the majority of maturity cannot handle maturity when it comes to such things. As I said how a "child" perceives such words is completely different from an adult. You don't see many adults trying to bypass a chat filter. Nor do you see them walking around calling each other some of the slang terms used in the game. Regardless if the name is or isn't is a mute point. it can be seen as such.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but I can't honestly agree with destroying half a decades 'work' because of a mis-perception.

 

 

 

You're right I suppose. People can see it as offensive if they twist it and try hard enough.

 

 

 

However this perception is wrong. Ultimately, these types are wrong to be offended by such a name.

 

 

 

Jagex should stick up for those who are in the right, not bow to pressure from those who are wrong.

 

 

 

You're forgetting that this KrazyFaken is a real person. Someone who invested a great chunk of his LIFE into this game.

 

 

 

Can you honestly say it's fair to do this to him, simply because some passersby though 'Hmm, that sounds slightly like X - Naughty guy. Now back to fishing'

 

 

 

Is that justice?

 

 

 

- Gid.

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"Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned- Tyler"

I have very mixed view points on this, as I possibly put across in the other threads...

 

 

 

In one hand, I feel that after a certain point Jagex should put up their hands and say.... "hey! we missed them, let `em be". These players have been on for along time and allot of them are respectful community members.

 

 

 

Also I agree that starting again as a level 3 is a real kick in the face..... (I will go more into that later)

 

 

 

However, I also see aloft of positives in it. It's good that Jagex are willing to do a very unpopular thing to do whats for the best. At the end of the day the accounts aimed where made with offensive names, and we should not really have them about.

 

 

 

It will be nice to have 2008 starting as a whole new place, where allot of the old issues are gone, maybe it's good that Jagex are saying enough is enough..... lets get it over with before it goes even further.

 

 

 

As for the not editing stats thing, I think it is a block that jagex them selves have but on the game, I seem to remember it explained once that it was once possible but mistakes where made losing people items and stats.... jagex changed it so they cannot make changes to banks, stats etc. Good or bad I don't know.... but it's a reason.

 

 

 

In this case as already explained in the other thread, I don't find the name atall offensive, but can see how some odd people can totally miss interpret it... I would like to think that this case is appealable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stepping away from the human side and looking at the over all, I feel it's possibly a very hard, yet ultimately good decision, and it will be nice to see 2008 starting fresh, yet from a human side I think there is a large negative to come with it... and allot of cases are just not offensive unless you are very easily offended. Perhaps if enough person miss interpreted the name in this case then maybe there is an issue..... possibly can be miss read more easily in other languages? I don't know.

 

 

 

 

 

I am just going to sit here on the fence on this one, it's a really hard thing for me to give a definitive answer on.

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1 person gets a message such as this and you go off about unfairness and whatnot.

 

 

It's not just one person. Stop, engage your brain, and think about the issue.

 

 

 

If Jagex wants to do this to people who have been using these names for years, the least they can do is to give them the stats and rewards they have earned on their new accounts.

 

 

 

Simple and reasonable.

 

 

 

you say its not 1 person yet you only give a 1 person example. Engage your own brain and show more proof. 1 example does not change the masses.

 

 

 

So your saying that because someone bypassed a filter , they should be allowed to get things back? I don't think so. That is like rewarding the guilty. Not only that , if they did that now they would have to go back 7 years and do it for all those they banned in the past. F*kedyomomm , third person to reach 99 hp , banned for his name , never offered anything but the chance to make a new account. , no stats , no name change , no free membership.

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1 person gets a message such as this and you go off about unfairness and whatnot.

 

 

It's not just one person. Stop, engage your brain, and think about the issue.

 

 

 

If Jagex wants to do this to people who have been using these names for years, the least they can do is to give them the stats and rewards they have earned on their new accounts.

 

 

 

Simple and reasonable.

 

 

 

you say its not 1 person yet you only give a 1 person example. Engage your own brain and show more proof. 1 example does not change the masses.

 

 

 

So your saying that because someone bypassed a filter , they should be allowed to get things back? I don't think so. That is like rewarding the guilty. Not only that , if they did that now they would have to go back 7 years and do it for all those they banned in the past. F*kedyomomm , third person to reach 99 hp , banned for his name , never offered anything but the chance to make a new account. , no stats , no name change , no free membership.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, they are having one big push, to get rid of them.... only one example shown but I promise you that they are going after all offensive names.

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you say its not 1 person yet you only give a 1 person example. Engage your own brain and show more proof.

 

 

I don't need to. Everyone but you knows that this is going on with many people, and frankly, I don't really care if you want to be in denial. It's your problem, not mine.

 

 

 

And if Jagex wants to show the world that it cares this little about loyal customers, that's Jagex's problem I suppose.

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Qeltar the flaw in your system is very simple. As I was told 5 years ago by Paul himself when my bank was stolen from me and never returned. "If I do this for you I have to do it for everyone."

 

 

 

If they were to impose the things you say would be "fair" then they have to go back and do it for 7 years of banned names to be "fair" because you say they should.

 

 

 

Lets see , pay people to fix issues with the names of people who bypassed a filter ( or may be seen as such ) to make things "fair".

 

OR

 

Pay the same people to work on updates that everyone here thinks they deserve on a weekly basis.

 

 

 

Pretty clear and simple to me.

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Very well written and insightful article. =D>

 

 

 

I don't even see how some can see Krazyfaken as offensive <.<

 

 

 

Lets do some edits to the name.

 

 

 

KrazyFaken > KrazyFacken > I believe you know what the next edit is.

 

 

 

However I had to go through 2 steps to make it truely offensive, if I could take/replace one letter however its a different matter.

 

 

 

Well written, Jagex seems to forget which power they hold or just plain lazy, I'd vote on the latter. After all you can edit the name more easily than it is to make sure that CS don't ban him for account interaction.

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Very well written and insightful article. =D>

 

 

 

I don't even see how some can see Krazyfaken as offensive <.<

 

 

 

Lets do some edits to the name.

 

 

 

KrazyFaken > KrazyFacken > I believe you know what the next edit is.

 

 

 

However I had to go through 2 steps to make it truely offensive, if I could take/replace one letter however its a different matter.

 

 

 

Well written, Jagex seems to forget which power they hold or just plain lazy, I'd vote on the latter. After all you can edit the name more easily than it is to make sure that CS don't ban him for account interaction.

 

 

 

KrazyFaken , replace 1 letter ok ... KrazyF*ken ... replace my star with a U. And tell me it isn't even close to offensive or inappropriate.

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Okay thats true, however you have to be pretty immature to change a name in order to make it offensive.

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Okay thats true, however you have to be pretty immature to change a name in order to make it offensive.

 

 

 

I guess that would make a person extremely immature to bypass a filter to make an offensive or improper name in the first place huh ? And as I said before , look at the avg age of players , and the way they are bypassing chat filters in game to 'swear" at people.

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Qeltar the flaw in your system is very simple.

 

 

 

There is no flaw.

 

 

 

They are already singling these people out for special attention. They should just do the job PROPERLY.

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KrazyFaken , replace 1 letter ok ... KrazyF*ken ... replace my star with a U. And tell me it isn't even close to offensive or inappropriate.

 

 

 

Dravenstormn: lets say we change the v in your name to a p.. Drapenstormn. now i'd find that pretty offensive. i only changed one letter.

 

 

 

How many names in RS could you change one letter and find something vaguely offensive in it. the word 'fuken' isn't even offensive, you'd have to add a 'c' to actually make it a swear.

 

 

 

And think about it, if you really have to try this hard to make a swearword out of it, chances are, you already know the swear.. rearranging and changing letters in peoples usernames is hardly going to teach children new swear words.

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