Dravenstormn: lets say we change the v in your name to a p.. Drapenstormn. now i'd find that pretty offensive. i only changed one letter.

 

 

 

And my name could be changed to Nuke Freedom (edit: something Jagex seems to be quite good at :D), by changing one letter. Isn't it wonderful? :lol:

 

 

 

Like someone already said, people just want to feel offended. In fact that is one of the worst problems these and the cause for 'political correct' talking in real life.

I add a new point.

 

 

 

I am italian, and immagine i use a normal name that in Italy you can even see on the cartoons for the youngers... but that in english has a second meaning.

 

 

 

It passes the censorship, i play for a couple of years, and after that i get banned????????

 

 

 

Must I spend some months on hard core sites to be sure that not even in serbo-croatian language my usual playing alias has no second meaning?

 

jag2 (jÃÆââ¬Å¾Ãâ Ã¢â¬â¢g) pronunciation

 

n.

 

 

 

1. Slang.

 

1. A bout of drinking or drug use.

 

2. A period of overindulgence in an activity; a spree: a shopping jag; a crying jag. See synonyms at binge.

 

 

 

 

Oh my! Bouts of drinking and drug use? How can Jagex have such an awful, offensive name?

 

 

 

I feel faint... Bring me my smelling salts!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Give me a break.

Dravenstormn: lets say we change the v in your name to a p.. Drapenstormn. now i'd find that pretty offensive. i only changed one letter.

 

 

 

And my name could be changed to Nuke Freedom (edit: something Jagex seems to be quite good at :D), by changing one letter. Isn't it wonderful? :lol:

 

 

 

Like someone already said, people just want to feel offended. In fact that is one of the worst problems these and the cause for 'political correct' talking in real life.

 

 

 

However something Jagex will never notice RuneScape -> RuneSrape

 

 

 

Therefore if they go about finding flaws in names, surely they should do it to the name of their game.

My feeling is that these people being banned for 'offensive names' are people Jagex highly suspect of RWT, it just seems pretty obvious tbh. I mean even the tone of the reply to faken with the smile and wink, it seems slightly mocking. Maybe this isn't the case but I don't think Jagex really give two damns about offensive names that aren't universally offensive (Fak is only really offensive in the UK and Ireland). The timing just seems perfect (I don't imagine they'd wait to 'bury' these 'name' bannings because they could of banned at any time and certainly at a less controversial time with probably LESS coverage on forums).

 

I know enough about programming to understand that this is utter nonsense.

 

 

It isn't. The problem isn't with the programming but with the database design.

 

 

 

Consider this board. An admin could change your name easily, because in the database you aren't "Duke_Freedom", you are "userid # 690". That's what is used to index your profile, options, PMs, posts, etc. The only place you are "Duke_Freedom" is in a user data file, so that can be changed there and then it will appear everywhere else dynamically.

 

 

 

If Jagex, rather than using a user number index chose to key using the user name, then changing user names would be extremely difficult. It could be done, but would require a large amount of work.

 

 

 

 

either way, i dont think it will be hard to create a new account with new name and copy the user profile into this account.

 

i am not much of a DB designer myself but as a software engineer i know that everything can be done if you have the will...

Nice article, it truely is ridiculous how they are dealing with these "offensive" names. If the suggestions you mentioned were used then there would be no problems.

 

I know enough about programming to understand that this is utter nonsense.

 

 

It isn't. The problem isn't with the programming but with the database design.

 

 

 

Consider this board. An admin could change your name easily, because in the database you aren't "Duke_Freedom", you are "userid # 690". That's what is used to index your profile, options, PMs, posts, etc. The only place you are "Duke_Freedom" is in a user data file, so that can be changed there and then it will appear everywhere else dynamically.

 

 

 

If Jagex, rather than using a user number index chose to key using the user name, then changing user names would be extremely difficult. It could be done, but would require a large amount of work.

 

 

 

 

Actually I am not sure if they can change the names on this system.... I know you use the same forums for your site, but I remember on forum suggestions forum I remember sombody asking for their name to be changed a while back and was told they would have to open a new account as it cant be changed....

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I know enough about programming to understand that this is utter nonsense.

 

 

It isn't. The problem isn't with the programming but with the database design.

 

 

 

Consider this board. An admin could change your name easily, because in the database you aren't "Duke_Freedom", you are "userid # 690". That's what is used to index your profile, options, PMs, posts, etc. The only place you are "Duke_Freedom" is in a user data file, so that can be changed there and then it will appear everywhere else dynamically.

 

 

 

If Jagex, rather than using a user number index chose to key using the user name, then changing user names would be extremely difficult. It could be done, but would require a large amount of work.

 

 

 

 

Actually I am not sure if they can change the names on this system.... I know you use the same forums for your site, but I remember on forum suggestions forum I remember sombody asking for their name to be changed a while back and was told they would have to open a new account as it cant be changed....

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So they lie in the terms and conditions.

 

 

 

Would be great if false information can make it void.

Okay thats true, however you have to be pretty immature to change a name in order to make it offensive.

 

 

 

I guess that would make a person extremely immature to bypass a filter to make an offensive or improper name in the first place huh ? And as I said before , look at the avg age of players , and the way they are bypassing chat filters in game to 'swear" at people.

 

 

 

Noobs will always swear in game, this isn't about noobs swearing. This is about a person who worked long and hard on his account and had it banned due to the POSSIBLITY that it could be offensive.

 

 

 

Krazyfaken, by people who aren't purposely trying to be offended, would just be understood as FAKING, and a FAKE is just something that isn't real (which has already been posted on here anyway).

 

 

 

Using your train of thought, anyone with the word BATCH in their name should be banned too, since its similar to the B-word, and the fact that it has no relevance to the B-word doesn't matter.

 

 

 

Or how about SACK, cause it kinda looks like SUCK.

 

 

 

Or maybe FUNK, since it too bears a RESEMBLANCE to the F-word.

 

 

 

The list would go on an on...

 

 

 

Make one example and its unfair that you don't do it for everyone. I believe you used a thought like that when talking about your bank being stolen?

And my name can be changed to assthewiz. Guess I'm offensive. :|

Okay thats true, however you have to be pretty immature to change a name in order to make it offensive.

 

 

 

I guess that would make a person extremely immature to bypass a filter to make an offensive or improper name in the first place huh ? And as I said before , look at the avg age of players , and the way they are bypassing chat filters in game to 'swear" at people.

 

 

 

Krazyfaken, by people who aren't purposely trying to be offended, would just be understood as FAKING, and a FAKE is just something that isn't real (which has already been posted on here anyway).

 

 

 

I'm going to just address this part.

 

 

 

You must not choose a username that infringes the rights of any third party, impersonates Jagex staff or other users, which is deliberately confusing or which is offensive, racist, obscene, hurtful, unlawful or otherwise inappropriate or which breaches the username requirements specified on our site or our Rules of Conduct. We reserve the right to make such assessment in our sole discretion, change any username for any reason or take such other action as we believe appropriate.

 

 

 

Which means they have no obligation to change usernames.

 

 

 

However if they are proven wrong and the owner indeed meant faking.

 

 

 

A material breach is any failure to perform that permits the other party to the contract to either compel performance, or collect damages because of the breach. If the contractor in the above example had been instructed to use copper pipes, and instead used iron pipes which would not last as long as the copper pipes would have, the homeowner can recover the cost of actually correcting the breach - taking out the iron pipes and replacing them with copper pipes.This is also known as a partial breach

 

 

 

The Restatement (Second) of Contracts lists the following criteria to determine whether a specific failure constitutes a breach:

 

 

 

In determining whether a failure to render or to offer performance is material, the following circumstances are significant: (a) the extent to which the injured party will be deprived of the benefit which he reasonably expected; (B) the extent to which the injured party can be adequately compensated for the part of that benefit of which he will be deprived © the extent to which the party failing to perform or to offer to perform will suffer forfeiture; (d) the likelihood that the party failing to perform or to offer to perform will cure his failure, taking account of all the circumstances including any reasonable assurances; (e) the extent to which the behavior of the party failing to perform or to offer to perform comports with standards of good faith and fair dealing.

 

 

 

 

They commited a material breach, and as such the player of the account can collect damages, which would pretty much just be his stats, or the account back, however if he traded the items across, he has no right to get them back as they are still in his possesion.

 

 

 

Thats if the terms and conditions can be saw as a contract, which they pretty much are.

Look out, Fook A Ji :shock:

Wow qeltar, you're making reports left and right these days, so much going on! :lol:

 

 

 

Anyways, another good read, and im glad that I've had no friends or personal experiences with this, but it really would suck to have that happen.

I have to say that I'm going to have to agree with you 100%. This is insane all-around. I'd go into why, but you and everyone else who's posted has it down already. =D>

 

 

 

Good luck, Krazyfaken and everyone else that has ever had this happen or will in the future.

This may be a minor point in Qeltar's argument, but this situation does not invoke estoppel.

 

 

 

A classic example of estoppel (one I learned the first week of law school, in fact) is where a property owner sees his neighbor building a skyscraper a few feet onto his land. He says nothing. Then when the building is finished, he says, "Aha, that's my building!"

 

 

 

The pertinent feature is notice, which in this case, Jagex did not have until reported by other players.

 

 

 

I do agree that it's a shame that such drastic measures be taken for a marginal name. But the ol' slippery slope is another law school staple, and the line has to be drawn somewhere.

 

 

 

People may have been a little too quick on the trigger to report for our taste, but even I have to admit the name could be taken the wrong way.

Interesting read.

 

 

 

This reminds me of a Tip.It Times article called "Biased Banning Raises Brows" that resulted in Andrew threatening to sue Tip.It.

 

 

 

http://www.angelfire.com/vamp/neokyleshelp/index/

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=419655

 

 

 

Good luck on not getting threatened with a lawsuit. :lol:

 

I know enough about programming to understand that this is utter nonsense.

 

 

It isn't. The problem isn't with the programming but with the database design.

 

 

 

Consider this board. An admin could change your name easily, because in the database you aren't "Duke_Freedom", you are "userid # 690". That's what is used to index your profile, options, PMs, posts, etc. The only place you are "Duke_Freedom" is in a user data file, so that can be changed there and then it will appear everywhere else dynamically.

 

 

 

If Jagex, rather than using a user number index chose to key using the user name, then changing user names would be extremely difficult. It could be done, but would require a large amount of work.

 

 

 

The other options -- ignoring the whiners or editing the replacement accounts -- they have no excuses for.

 

 

 

Ever heard about "Search and replace" macros ?

 

 

 

There is no reason what so ever that changing a name could not be possible. It is pure BS.

=D> =D> Great Article indeed, hope this gets hot topic =D> =D>

I'm sorry but this is stupid. What would Jagex have to gain by banning a member if they knew they were just pulling at strings? It's not like anyone who gets banned has to pay a 50 dollar fine. By banning people with offensive names, they lose a member, lose money, and get a "bad reputation" for being "too harsh".

 

 

 

Until I see what Jagex would have to gain by banning someone, I'm not buying this.

Now why doesn't this situation surprise/bother me one bit? I believe it's because I told you this sort of thing would happen months ago by the way Jagex was going with it's updates, but you dismissed me as "Not knowing anything". Oh well... I suppose, as they say, time is all that's needed to prove who's wrong and who's right.

 

 

 

Anywho, this is one of those cases where you can't pick and choose when you want to agree with the fact that Jagex wants to make the game "Safe for all players". You wanted an extremely regulated game and that's what you'll get. Even if your name might not be offensive in the least, if you get enough players who think it is then you become subject to the will of the players (Also known as the "Tyranny of the majority"). Wonderful, isn't it.

 

 

 

You might not like it. You might not even agree with it. But it's what you wanted to happen by asking Jagex to take total control over their game. I mean, Jagex could simply tell people to 'toughen up', but that would contradict the stance you want them to take. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you or I think; Only what Jagex thinks. And that's the bottom line. No and's, if's or but's about it.

 

 

 

And if Jagex wants to show the world that it cares this little about loyal customers, that's Jagex's problem I suppose.

 

 

 

Ah... How ironic! :

First off, a really well written article from Qeltar, again. Secondly, it's great that this problem finally gets some publicity - by being a hot topic it would get some more :P . Although I've been aware of this for quite a while - a friend of mine got banned for his name already back in '04 or somewhere close to that - there's still quite a lot of players who didn't know anything about this. It's disgusting to see JaGex still doing this, as they can do it so that there's not many to tell about it to the rest of the community.

Wow, I'm glad you made an article about this. The same thing happened to me. In my last Runescape account, I included my last name in my username. It just so happens that some people could find my last name offensive (I won't say what it is because I don't want to give personal information away anymore), but IT IS MY ACTUAL LAST NAME IN REAL LIFE. And you know what happened? They locked my account. And I was even a member. I couldn't believe it; all the months of hard work I had put into the account, only to have it banned because I put my "offensive" last name as part of my username. Why don't you go ahead and ban Zezima while you're at it, Jagex? That's his last name too. Maybe in an alternate universe it could be deemed offensive, so why don't you go ahead and ban him? Silly Noobex. After that happened I quit Runescape for two years and I only came back and made a new account about two weeks ago.

 

 

 

Btw thanks for not approving my forum account activation Qeltar. :roll:

Krazy Faken Jagex!

 

 

 

Another well written article Qeltar, and congratulations on Tip.It Times!

 

 

 

P.S-Lol at Gidions location-WILDERNESS?THIS IS BOUNTY HUNTER!!!

A good read qeltar.

 

Am I the only one here who remembers this subject being the content of a rather controversial tip.it times article that was later removed due to threats of legal action? :uhh: