Does Jagex think everyone to be a noob?

[MasterMarduk]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department.

 

 

 

Agreed. Do you know how many hardworking players there are in Runescape that are below level 100? What about those lvl 3 skillers? So they can't trade after they mine coal ores, yew logs, etc? And what about those noobs who want to make money with their flax picking? Yeah, it's not so easy coming up with new ideas. Like I said in my other post, Jagex has done a great job making the general public happy and they can't make everyone happy. You need to realize the world does not revolve around you...

 

 

 

EDIT AGAIN: One more thing. It's not that hard for bots to get to lvl 100. Just have a program to kill minotaurs, etc until they're lvl 100. It's certainly faster than getting a lvl 100 with actual playing

 

Exactly. Who's going to get 100 combat faster. A normal player who plays 2-3 hours a day. Or the bot owner who has 10 bots training around the clock? And it's not even fair, just because someone has a low combat lvl doesn't mean he/she is inferior to people who train combat more.

 

 

 

Well there going to be making lvl 100 characters anyways. Once this trade thing is estabilished they will start character farming instead of gp farming. Then we will have even more problems.

 

 

 

Two things...

 

1) Character farming is much easier to track down and = instant ban while gp farming is harder because you can't really track down every gp traded.

 

2) Most of the sites have already said that they are moving on with their lives and gave up rs farming. It was in another thread in this forum.

 

 

 

I disagree with number one, Yes its easyer to track since Jagex logs Ips, but They cant just ban someone for having the same IP or moving Ip regions, all someone has to say is they were on vaction or were living there for a while when they created the guy. Jagex as far as I know doesnt track lvls aquired per day. so there could be a lvl 100 created in around 2 week with a bot and be sold without any problem, and when jagex find this its probibly atleast a month after creation date making 100 possible as a lvl being aquired in regular play time.

[Warrager]

=D>

 

You just explained how seriousily flawed your suggestion is and how bots could EASILY counter it.

[MasterMarduk]

Okay then, what would you suggest be done to completely eliminate goldfarmers and bots, without causing any of the 'problems' that you say will destroy RS. Oh, and I've played since 2003, and these updates are much better than having bots and scammers. So I think I've got a pretty decent perspective on what is or isn't going to kill the game. Either way, the only real loss is the removal of the ability to give gifts or loan items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monday, December 31st, 2:07 PM EST. Doesn't look too dead to me.

 

 

 

The update hasnt happend yet, Just wait you will see the fallout.

 

 

 

Ive already posted that once you hit lvl 100 the restrictions should be lifted, under that there should be a system to restrict trade. Although I think not as harsh as the one being created.

 

 

 

 

 

It's one day away, I think people would be reacting by now..

 

 

 

 

 

The 100 cb trade limit is absurd, most real players have nowhere near that, and it is VERY easy for a bot to get to 100 combat. The quest point trade regulator is probably the best system that could be used to control the trade limit, because most players quest and it is fairly hard for bots to complete quests.

 

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but most players dont quest, Pures dont. I dont, and alot of my freinds dont. People find them boring and only do it when they need something they cant get without doing it.

 

 

 

I also mentioned a bell curve which would allow for trade restiction changes at lower lvls. That could be based on combat, and QP for all I care. Im saying what they are doing is far to drastic.

 

 

 

People wont react unless they know whats going on, Most people dont really see the impact this will have espeically young kids. Over time this will wear on there love for the game, and they will quit.

[Nenga]

It's all been said before. Stop whining you're part of the problem. We brought this on ourselves so only we are to blame. I thought this was gonna be a legit article too, but it's just another whiner whining.

[aznmidget448]

I disagree with number one, Yes its easyer to track since Jagex logs Ips, but They cant just ban someone for having the same IP or moving Ip regions, all someone has to say is they were on vaction or were living there for a while when they created the guy. Jagex as far as I know doesnt track lvls aquired per day. so there could be a lvl 100 created in under a week with a bot and be sold without any problem, and when jagex find this its probibly atleast a month after creation date making 100 possible as a lvl being aquired in regular play time.

 

 

 

You don't even have to look at the IPs. Just go to sites and directly ban the characters the people are selling.

 

 

 

It's also pretty easy to track down people who play 24/7 and get to level 100 in under a week. Jagex does have the material to do that...

 

 

 

Okay then, what would you suggest be done to completely eliminate goldfarmers and bots, without causing any of the 'problems' that you say will destroy RS. Oh, and I've played since 2003, and these updates are much better than having bots and scammers. So I think I've got a pretty decent perspective on what is or isn't going to kill the game. Either way, the only real loss is the removal of the ability to give gifts or loan items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monday, December 31st, 2:07 PM EST. Doesn't look too dead to me.

 

 

 

The update hasnt happend yet, Just wait you will see the fallout.

 

 

 

Ive already posted that once you hit lvl 100 the restrictions should be lifted, under that there should be a system to restrict trade. Although I think not as harsh as the one being created.

 

 

 

And I've already posted that the skillers will be losing out. There are many people who are going for all 99s except for combat. So we should just ignore them? Jagex is trying to make everyone happy. I'm sorry if they don't only think of you when coming up with updates...

[MasterMarduk]

It's all been said before. Stop whining you're part of the problem. We brought this on ourselves so only we are to blame. I thought this was gonna be a legit article too, but it's just another whiner whining.

 

 

 

Ive never brought this on myself, Ive never bought any Autoed goods, Ive never bought RL cash. I used to be a player mod and I would report anyone that I knew to be autoing, in some cases mute them if it was clear.

[Warrager]

It's all been said before. Stop whining you're part of the problem. We brought this on ourselves so only we are to blame. I thought this was gonna be a legit article too, but it's just another whiner whining.

 

 

 

Ive never brought this on myself, Ive never bought any Autoed goods, Ive never bought RL cash. I used to be a player mod and I would report anyone that I knew to be autoing, in some cases mute them if it was clear.

 

I would think a former moderator would have a better suggestion to cut of all trading abilities of players less then 100 combat level.

[MasterMarduk]

I disagree with number one, Yes its easyer to track since Jagex logs Ips, but They cant just ban someone for having the same IP or moving Ip regions, all someone has to say is they were on vaction or were living there for a while when they created the guy. Jagex as far as I know doesnt track lvls aquired per day. so there could be a lvl 100 created in under a week with a bot and be sold without any problem, and when jagex find this its probibly atleast a month after creation date making 100 possible as a lvl being aquired in regular play time.

 

 

 

You don't even have to look at the IPs. Just go to sites and directly ban the characters the people are selling.

 

 

 

It's also pretty easy to track down people who play 24/7 and get to level 100 in under a week. Jagex does have the material to do that...

 

 

 

Okay then, what would you suggest be done to completely eliminate goldfarmers and bots, without causing any of the 'problems' that you say will destroy RS. Oh, and I've played since 2003, and these updates are much better than having bots and scammers. So I think I've got a pretty decent perspective on what is or isn't going to kill the game. Either way, the only real loss is the removal of the ability to give gifts or loan items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monday, December 31st, 2:07 PM EST. Doesn't look too dead to me.

 

 

 

The update hasnt happend yet, Just wait you will see the fallout.

 

 

 

Ive already posted that once you hit lvl 100 the restrictions should be lifted, under that there should be a system to restrict trade. Although I think not as harsh as the one being created.

 

 

 

And I've already posted that the skillers will be losing out. There are many people who are going for all 99s except for combat. So we should just ignore them? Jagex is trying to make everyone happy. I'm sorry if they don't only think of you when coming up with updates...

 

 

 

Account sellers dont post the characters names, just to stop accounts from being banned. If they would have a system to track people playing 24/7 then why need to do this? why not just ban the bots now?

[aznmidget448]

It's all been said before. Stop whining you're part of the problem. We brought this on ourselves so only we are to blame. I thought this was gonna be a legit article too, but it's just another whiner whining.

 

 

 

Ive never brought this on myself, Ive never bought any Autoed goods, Ive never bought RL cash. I used to be a player mod and I would report anyone that I knew to be autoing, in some cases mute them if it was clear.

 

I would think a former moderator would have a better suggestion to cut of all trading abilities of players less then 100 combat level.

 

 

 

Plus, you states earlier that this is a drastic change. Cutting trade for players less than 100 cb would also be a drastic change. Maybe not to you, but to others.

 

 

 

And why would you mute autoers when they don't talk?

 

 

 

Off topic: I won't respond for about an hour... I have to go get new glasses :D

[MasterMarduk]

It's all been said before. Stop whining you're part of the problem. We brought this on ourselves so only we are to blame. I thought this was gonna be a legit article too, but it's just another whiner whining.

 

 

 

Ive never brought this on myself, Ive never bought any Autoed goods, Ive never bought RL cash. I used to be a player mod and I would report anyone that I knew to be autoing, in some cases mute them if it was clear.

 

I would think a former moderator would have a better suggestion to cut of all trading abilities of players less then 100 combat level.

 

 

 

I already said a couple of times it would be resticted with a bell curve based on combat and QP.

[Nenga]

It's all been said before. Stop whining you're part of the problem. We brought this on ourselves so only we are to blame. I thought this was gonna be a legit article too, but it's just another whiner whining.

 

 

 

Ive never brought this on myself, Ive never bought any Autoed goods, Ive never bought RL cash. I used to be a player mod and I would report anyone that I knew to be autoing, in some cases mute them if it was clear.

It's not the autoers who were the cause (i mean not fully), also the whiners who would never stop pestering jagex until they did something drastic then they start whining about that.

[Mayjest]

In all honesty, anyone who plans on quitting or has quit because of the unbalanced trading update has clearly not thought them through. They are following immediate (mostly incorrect) assumptions. For example, I had one in game conversation with someone who thought that 'unbalanced trade' meant that if more than 3000gp was even involved it would be blocked. For example, he thought that it would be impossible to sell an abyssal whip anywhere but the GE, as it costs more than 3000gp.

 

 

 

Seriously, think through every assumption you have made about the new restrictions. Think them through fully. It's really not as bad as you think. The positives more than outweigh the negatives.

[Warrager]

In all honesty, anyone who plans on quitting or has quit because of the unbalanced trading update has clearly not thought them through. They are following immediate (mostly incorrect) assumptions. For example, I had one in game conversation with someone who thought that 'unbalanced trade' meant that if more than 3000gp was even involved it would be blocked. For example, he thought that it would be impossible to sell an abyssal whip anywhere but the GE, as it costs more than 3000gp.

 

 

 

Seriously, think through every assumption you have made about the new restrictions. Think them through fully. It's really not as bad as you think. The positives more than outweigh the negatives.

 

Hm, well since there is a 5% variation of price on G.E, more people will sell/buy on G.E then bother to find a buyer/seller on a forum or ingame...

[MasterMarduk]

In all honesty, anyone who plans on quitting or has quit because of the unbalanced trading update has clearly not thought them through. They are following immediate (mostly incorrect) assumptions. For example, I had one in game conversation with someone who thought that 'unbalanced trade' meant that if more than 3000gp was even involved it would be blocked. For example, he thought that it would be impossible to sell an abyssal whip anywhere but the GE, as it costs more than 3000gp.

 

 

 

Seriously, think through every assumption you have made about the new restrictions. Think them through fully. It's really not as bad as you think. The positives more than outweigh the negatives.

 

 

 

Lets go with rares or anything high value lets say a D full helm. few people even those rich enough to buy them have the Gp laying around, alot of time people would barter and accept items with the cash to trade. With the update bartering isnt good, as items values are messed up becuase of teh GE and what if someone wants more items becuase its in items and not GP?

[Spirrus]

The only problem I have with this update is Jagex' strange obsession with the '3000' number.

[MasterMarduk]

The only problem I have with this update is Jagex' strange obsession with the '3000' number.

 

 

 

If it was 100k the fallout would be far less then what it will be with restiction of 3k. Every RL trade is based on volume and 100k isnt enough to keep going If Jagex would have made that the number Id have seen alot less of a problem in this update.

[Zygimantas]

If they would have not done that it would have been the death of runescape in a year or so.... by posting this you are the biggest noob on tip.it goodjob!

 

 

 

 

 

Yes actions did have to be taken, because Bots and RWT were effecting there business, but the actions they have taken are far to drastic. Doing such a harsh action is what will kill runescape, Im not saying Its going to just die instantly, but over time you will see the decline in players.

What would you have done in Jagex's place then?

[MasterMarduk]

If they would have not done that it would have been the death of runescape in a year or so.... by posting this you are the biggest noob on tip.it goodjob!

 

 

 

 

 

Yes actions did have to be taken, because Bots and RWT were effecting there business, but the actions they have taken are far to drastic. Doing such a harsh action is what will kill runescape, Im not saying Its going to just die instantly, but over time you will see the decline in players.

What would you have done in Jagex's place then?

 

 

 

I already said a couple of times I would have resticted with a bell curve/scale based on combat and QP, and then remove all restictions at 100 although any number over 100 would be good as long as restrictions would be removed.

[Zygimantas]

they are on QP

 

 

 

But combat that would be horrible..

[Warrager]

they are on QP

 

 

 

But combat that would be horrible..

 

I prefer the Jagex idea. If combat lvl was also included in a factor, bots might have a slim chance of coming back. Also it would be unfair to lower lvls and skillers...

[MasterMarduk]

they are on QP

 

 

 

But combat that would be horrible..

 

I prefer the Jagex idea. If combat lvl was also included in a factor, bots might have a slim chance of coming back. Also it would be unfair to lower lvls and skillers...

 

 

 

Right now its unfair to quest haters (ME) and everyone by resticting our abilites to interact.

 

 

 

Its unfair to noobs not to let them us whips, then with the same logic. If you are more powerful, more involved you should get more accesses.

[Warrager]

they are on QP

 

 

 

But combat that would be horrible..

 

I prefer the Jagex idea. If combat lvl was also included in a factor, bots might have a slim chance of coming back. Also it would be unfair to lower lvls and skillers...

 

 

 

Right now its unfair to quest haters (ME) and everyone by resticting our abilites to interact.

 

 

 

Its unfair to noobs not to let them us whips, then with the same logic. If you are more powerful, more involved you should get more accesses.

 

Generally idiots use the term 'noob' to describe people. It doesn't make you look good. Anyways, I don't really care about your suggestion as Jagex will probably never take it up. :

[MasterMarduk]

they are on QP

 

 

 

But combat that would be horrible..

 

I prefer the Jagex idea. If combat lvl was also included in a factor, bots might have a slim chance of coming back. Also it would be unfair to lower lvls and skillers...

 

 

 

Right now its unfair to quest haters (ME) and everyone by resticting our abilites to interact.

 

 

 

Its unfair to noobs not to let them us whips, then with the same logic. If you are more powerful, more involved you should get more accesses.

 

Generally idiots use the term 'noob' to describe people. It doesn't make you look good. Anyways, I don't really care about your suggestion as Jagex will probably never take it up. :

 

 

 

The term noob as I use it is in referance to anyone less then lvl 100, played less then 3 years (no matter the combat) and is only ment to include alot of people in a non offensive way. I call most my freinds noobs as most of them started less then 2 years ago.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

they are on QP

 

 

 

But combat that would be horrible..

 

I prefer the Jagex idea. If combat lvl was also included in a factor, bots might have a slim chance of coming back. Also it would be unfair to lower lvls and skillers...

 

 

 

Right now its unfair to quest haters (ME) and everyone by resticting our abilites to interact.

 

 

 

Its unfair to noobs not to let them us whips, then with the same logic. If you are more powerful, more involved you should get more accesses.

 

Generally idiots use the term 'noob' to describe people. It doesn't make you look good. Anyways, I don't really care about your suggestion as Jagex will probably never take it up. :

 

 

 

Generally, it's idiotic to generalize. HAY I JUST CONTRADICTED MYSELF

[Dizzle229]

Lvel 100+? Ahem! maybe 60 or 70, but 100! that is waaaaaay too high.