Does Jagex think everyone to be a noob?

[MasterMarduk]

These updates to the trade system are on the scale of what a noob would do. They make it impossible to make money from trading, Impossible to give anything to anyone, Impossible to share exp with a freind (yes theres the assist system but thats rubbish also). They dont seem to think players can do things without being watched and contolled like cattle. Yes this will stop RWT and Drop trades, but at what cost? All costs! This is a messure that would be taken at the death of game. The drastic actions hinder all freedom in the game. Runescape will become a joke of a game after this is implimented, the ability to trade with who you want for what you want for how much you want is the basis of our econmic system, with this update its almost turning it into a communist system thats controlled by jagex.

 

 

 

The GE has shown to be unreliable, take a look at any Pot there is and you will see the value far less then the herb. Why make pots then? there will always be people making pots for the EXP, but other then that theres no reason, and with that with PKing gone theres no use for most the pots anyways as they were the demand for way more then half. I dont know what kinda volume has to pass threw the GE before the price changes, but whatever it is kids probibly to young to know how anything works just want coins and will sell for the lowest value to get them as fast as possible. with things like crafted items this means black armour, being free in lvl 3 clues will become worthless and people will just post to get rid of it. Even with major changed they say they are working on the system is far to imflexable and will not make anyone happy. This will push the once gold farmers into account farmers that will sell the accounts to people for cash. Although this is slower it is just as profitable and jagex cant do the same as they have done to the trade systme without resticting access to our characters to 1 IP address.

 

 

 

These changes have made me quit and have made me so mad, why couldnt they think of something that would solve the problem without hurting everyone? They could have. I feel they just gave up and went for the easiest solution possible and made it so we cant interact with one another in any kinda human way. Remove compashion, remove bartering, Remove niceness, Remove giving, they have taken away all humanity from the game with these kinda actions.

 

 

 

I hope in time they come to release what they have done and reverse there choice for a far less harmful one. Until then I wont be on anymore and I believe there are far more then jagex considered that will do the same. Jagex Will commited finacial suicide with this action, and they only will have themselfs to blame.

 

 

 

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable

[Lemeja]

Get over it :?

[jessy87]

this will not cause the death of runescape

[Warrager]

Saying that Jagex that thinks everyone is a 'noob' doesn't really help. Bots and RWT were eventually going to destory the economy. It was a ticking time bomb. The steps were drastic, but some people think it was needed.

[MasterMarduk]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

[aznmidget448]

These changes have made me quit and have made me so mad, why couldnt they think of something that would solve the problem without hurting everyone? They could have. I feel they just gave up and went for the easiest solution possible and made it so we cant interact with one another in any kinda human way. Remove compashion, remove bartering, Remove niceness, Remove giving, they have taken away all humanity from the game with these kinda actions.

 

 

 

They have considered other options, but they obviously found this one to have the least affect on the game. Can't people learn to be grateful for once? All I hear these days are rants rants and more rants. Jagex is trying to make the game better in general. If you have a better idea, go ahead and suggest it to them and if it's good, they'll consider adding it to the game. Otherwise, just stop complaining and accept the update. Sure they will lose money with this update, but they've already considered the consequences. You can't make everyone happy and therefore they are willing to do this. Just realize that they had made money from those autoers because half of them were members. They are not stupid and are not throwing away their income for no reason. Give the game some time and you will see it prosper.

 

 

 

As for the GE, just like the game, you need to give it time. Jagex already said that they'll add a system to allow you to highlight prices which you think unfair.

 

 

 

Once again, if you have any suggestions, then go tell them. Otherwise, these rants are no help.

 

 

 

Edit: To what you said above. they already are changing the game so that the max trade is determined by quests. That will allow a greater maximum trade value...

 

 

 

And as the first response said, please just get over it -.-

[Smackapotato]

I got used to it, many people have too. It's a change, it's different, it's not an easy update for you to get over, but guess what?

 

 

 

It's staying like this and you can't do anything to change it back, so get used to it.

[Sonicspeed]

You're making the wrong conclusions for the wrong reasons.

 

 

 

The overall point that I have to side with Jagex on is that, previously, "sharing" exp was unfair to somebody. While both of you agreed to do it, the fact of the matter is that whoever gave their raw products for finished ones was losing out. With the GE this is now obvious -- rather than give up your raw products for finished ones, sell them and you can buy even MORE finished product. Thus it was unfair for two reasons: One, for the one giving up raw materials, and two: for everybody else, who didn't get the opportunity to train at a lower cost. People need to start getting used to the GE now, and treat themselves fairly now that trading is no longer a hassle. Jagex is forcing you, raw materials givers, to get the most out of your hard work.

 

 

 

Yes, gifts are no longer possible, but this is all the more reason for people to work for themselves now. I agree with some that it's somewhat of a hassle when group monster hunting, but perhaps now people will simply bring a big stack of coins so that exchanging items is still easy there.

 

 

 

Furthermore, this isn't "communistic". The way you're using that word seems to make me think you're only using it because it has the "bad" connotation. It's still a free market, capitalistic system. People just aren't allowed to jipp themselves off now.

 

 

 

Pots are less than herbs because people demand exp more than products, thereby raising their price. Everything else you described is explainable. In runescape, people are willing to pay for exp, rather than for time used to make products.

[Warrager]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department.

[MasterMarduk]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department.

 

 

 

It would be like a bell curve, Its good enough for colleges why would it not be good enough for the game?

[777thzapster]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

 

 

1. Stop Whining..

 

2. If they made trading under 100 restricted it would kindof make every skiller or pure or any lower level just get combat up to trade freely...and that really isn't fair.

 

3. Why have you now just started talking about the update, this happened almost a month ago, but just because two days before the trade deadline comes in you gets all ants in the pants when you've known this was happeneing for a month.

 

4. There are a few of us that have been here since the beginning, I have been too, runescape is changing and it will be for the better.

 

5. Next time post this in rants like the forum rules tell you to. KTHX

[shotdown12]

Another topic on this?

[aznmidget448]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department.

 

 

 

Agreed. Do you know how many hardworking players there are in Runescape that are below level 100? What about those lvl 3 skillers? So they can't trade after they mine coal ores, yew logs, etc? And what about those noobs who want to make money with their flax picking? Yeah, it's not so easy coming up with new ideas. Like I said in my other post, Jagex has done a great job making the general public happy and they can't make everyone happy. You need to realize the world does not revolve around you...

 

 

 

EDIT AGAIN: One more thing. It's not that hard for bots to get to lvl 100. Just have a program to kill minotaurs, etc until they're lvl 100. It's certainly faster than getting a lvl 100 with actual playing

[fasterthanU1]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department.

 

 

 

umm yep i defintaly aggre with you this guy needs to take a chill pill lol

[Warrager]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department.

 

 

 

Agreed. Do you know how many hardworking players there are in Runescape that are below level 100? What about those lvl 3 skillers? So they can't trade after they mine coal ores, yew logs, etc? And what about those noobs who want to make money with their flax picking? Yeah, it's not so easy coming up with new ideas. Like I said in my other post, Jagex has done a great job making the general public happy and they can't make everyone happy. You need to realize the world does not revolve around you...

 

 

 

EDIT AGAIN: One more thing. It's not that hard for bots to get to lvl 100. Just have a program to kill minotaurs, etc until they're lvl 100. It's certainly faster than getting a lvl 100 with actual playing

 

Exactly. Who's going to get 100 combat faster. A normal player who plays 2-3 hours a day. Or the bot owner who has 10 bots training around the clock? And it's not even fair, just because someone has a low combat lvl doesn't mean he/she is inferior to people who train combat more.

[jessy87]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

 

 

i would expect better from a player claiming to be a long time member/player.

[MasterMarduk]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

 

 

1. Stop Whining..

 

2. If they made trading under 100 restricted it would kindof make every skiller or pure or any lower level just get combat up to trade freely...and that really isn't fair.

 

3. Why have you now just started talking about the update, this happened almost a month ago, but just because two days before the trade deadline comes in you gets all ants in the pants when you've known this was happeneing for a month.

 

4. There are a few of us that have been here since the beginning, I have been too, runescape is changing and it will be for the better.

 

5. Next time post this in rants like the forum rules tell you to. KTHX

 

 

 

I would rather them be unfair to Pures or skillers then everyone. I have a skill pure and more then 100 other characters. Most of which I no longer play since I stoped pking around a year ago. I have been talking about this on runescape forums since they posted it, I just now desided to post here my concerns and problems with there judgement.

[MasterMarduk]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

 

 

i would expect better from a player claiming to be a long time member/player.

 

 

 

So what saying this is bad for runescape is bad? Im just letting myself be heard. So what now we cencer people that are agianst change?

[MasterMarduk]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department.

 

 

 

Agreed. Do you know how many hardworking players there are in Runescape that are below level 100? What about those lvl 3 skillers? So they can't trade after they mine coal ores, yew logs, etc? And what about those noobs who want to make money with their flax picking? Yeah, it's not so easy coming up with new ideas. Like I said in my other post, Jagex has done a great job making the general public happy and they can't make everyone happy. You need to realize the world does not revolve around you...

 

 

 

EDIT AGAIN: One more thing. It's not that hard for bots to get to lvl 100. Just have a program to kill minotaurs, etc until they're lvl 100. It's certainly faster than getting a lvl 100 with actual playing

 

Exactly. Who's going to get 100 combat faster. A normal player who plays 2-3 hours a day. Or the bot owner who has 10 bots training around the clock? And it's not even fair, just because someone has a low combat lvl doesn't mean he/she is inferior to people who train combat more.

 

 

 

Well there going to be making lvl 100 characters anyways. Once this trade thing is estabilished they will start character farming instead of gp farming. Then we will have even more problems.

[reaper88888]

Okay then, what would you suggest be done to completely eliminate goldfarmers and bots, without causing any of the 'problems' that you say will destroy RS. Oh, and I've played since 2003, and these updates are much better than having bots and scammers. So I think I've got a pretty decent perspective on what is or isn't going to kill the game. Either way, the only real loss is the removal of the ability to give gifts or loan items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monday, December 31st, 2:07 PM EST. Doesn't look too dead to me.

[Zygimantas]

If they would have not done that it would have been the death of runescape in a year or so.... by posting this you are the biggest noob on tip.it goodjob!

[MasterMarduk]

Okay then, what would you suggest be done to completely eliminate goldfarmers and bots, without causing any of the 'problems' that you say will destroy RS. Oh, and I've played since 2003, and these updates are much better than having bots and scammers. So I think I've got a pretty decent perspective on what is or isn't going to kill the game. Either way, the only real loss is the removal of the ability to give gifts or loan items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monday, December 31st, 2:07 PM EST. Doesn't look too dead to me.

 

 

 

The update hasnt happend yet, Just wait you will see the fallout.

 

 

 

Ive already posted that once you hit lvl 100 the restrictions should be lifted, under that there should be a system to restrict trade. Although I think not as harsh as the one being created.

[aznmidget448]

Just to note, I have played since the begining, and this is the first update that has ever even made me consider quiting.

 

 

 

I have never before quit and I never planed to but the inflexability of this is to much. If they wanted to get rid of Bots/RWT all they would have to do is make it so trading under lvl 100 was resticted. Since investing time into making a character lvl 100 is to much for both bots and RWTers it would have solved this. The limit of 3k and what 30k? with quests?! I hate quests theres no way in hell I would do them.

 

 

 

The limits are why they think we are noobs, that kinda limit is for very small trades, If you want to do big trades the limits are far to imflexable.

 

Um that's the worst suggestion I've EVER seen. Just letting you know I'm glad you aren't working for Jagex in the development department.

 

 

 

Agreed. Do you know how many hardworking players there are in Runescape that are below level 100? What about those lvl 3 skillers? So they can't trade after they mine coal ores, yew logs, etc? And what about those noobs who want to make money with their flax picking? Yeah, it's not so easy coming up with new ideas. Like I said in my other post, Jagex has done a great job making the general public happy and they can't make everyone happy. You need to realize the world does not revolve around you...

 

 

 

EDIT AGAIN: One more thing. It's not that hard for bots to get to lvl 100. Just have a program to kill minotaurs, etc until they're lvl 100. It's certainly faster than getting a lvl 100 with actual playing

 

Exactly. Who's going to get 100 combat faster. A normal player who plays 2-3 hours a day. Or the bot owner who has 10 bots training around the clock? And it's not even fair, just because someone has a low combat lvl doesn't mean he/she is inferior to people who train combat more.

 

 

 

Well there going to be making lvl 100 characters anyways. Once this trade thing is estabilished they will start character farming instead of gp farming. Then we will have even more problems.

 

 

 

Two things...

 

1) Character farming is much easier to track down and = instant ban while gp farming is harder because you can't really track down every gp traded.

 

2) Most of the sites have already said that they are moving on with their lives and gave up rs farming. It was in another thread in this forum.

[MasterMarduk]

If they would have not done that it would have been the death of runescape in a year or so.... by posting this you are the biggest noob on tip.it goodjob!

 

 

 

 

 

Yes actions did have to be taken, because Bots and RWT were effecting there business, but the actions they have taken are far to drastic. Doing such a harsh action is what will kill runescape, Im not saying Its going to just die instantly, but over time you will see the decline in players.

[reaper88888]

Okay then, what would you suggest be done to completely eliminate goldfarmers and bots, without causing any of the 'problems' that you say will destroy RS. Oh, and I've played since 2003, and these updates are much better than having bots and scammers. So I think I've got a pretty decent perspective on what is or isn't going to kill the game. Either way, the only real loss is the removal of the ability to give gifts or loan items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monday, December 31st, 2:07 PM EST. Doesn't look too dead to me.

 

 

 

The update hasnt happend yet, Just wait you will see the fallout.

 

 

 

Ive already posted that once you hit lvl 100 the restrictions should be lifted, under that there should be a system to restrict trade. Although I think not as harsh as the one being created.

 

 

 

 

 

It's one day away, I think people would be reacting by now..

 

 

 

 

 

The 100 cb trade limit is absurd, most real players have nowhere near that, and it is VERY easy for a bot to get to 100 combat. The quest point trade regulator is probably the best system that could be used to control the trade limit, because most players quest and it is fairly hard for bots to complete quests.