Vezon Dash Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Sounds like Vaporeon to me. This. I love Vaporeon. You have to have something to absorb electric attacks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 He's got hippo, nattorei, and landlos to take care of electric attacks though. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 I'm trying a: Celebi@Choice ScarfCalm252SpD, 104HP, 152Def-Trick-Leech Seed-Thunder Wave-Heal Bell While it is doing its job (forcing switches and paralysing a lot), i still need a betetr move set, any suggestions? Also, a battle which i'm very proud of (predicted a lot): [hide]Battle between LYM and Demoli started! Tier: WifiVariation: +8, -23Rule: RatedRule: Sleep ClauseRule: Species ClauseRule: Wifi Battle Demoli sent out Rupee! (Starmie)LYM sent out Gyarados!The foe's Gyarados intimidates Rupee!Rupee's Attack fell! Start of turn 1The foe's Gyarados used Protect!The foe's Gyarados protected itself! Rupee used Trick!The foe's Gyarados protected itself! Start of turn 2Demoli called Rupee back!Demoli sent out Anise! (Celebi) The foe's Gyarados used Stone Edge!Anise lost 113 HP! (29% of its health) Start of turn 3Anise used Leech Seed!The foe's Gyarados was seeded! The foe's Gyarados used Taunt!Anise fell for the taunt! The foe's Gyarados's health is sapped by leech seed. Start of turn 4Demoli called Anise back!Demoli sent out Beyblade! (Nattorei) LYM called Gyarados back!LYM sent out Sceptile! Start of turn 5LYM called Sceptile back!LYM sent out Infernape! Beyblade used Thunder Wave!The foe's Infernape is paralyzed! It may be unable to move! Start of turn 6Demoli called Beyblade back!Demoli sent out Ellebreyals! (Heatran) The foe's Infernape used Flamethrower!Ellebreyals's Flash Fire raised the power of its Fire-type moves! Start of turn 7LYM called Infernape back!LYM sent out Gyarados! The foe's Gyarados intimidates Ellebreyals!Ellebreyals's Attack fell!Ellebreyals used Earth Power!It had no effect! Start of turn 8Demoli called Ellebreyals back!Demoli sent out Anise! (Celebi) The foe's Gyarados used Waterfall!It's not very effective...Anise lost 66 HP! (17% of its health) Start of turn 9LYM called Gyarados back!LYM sent out Sceptile! Anise used Trick!Anise switched items with the foe's Sceptile!Anise obtained one Leftovers!The foe's Sceptile obtained one Choice Scarf! Anise restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 10LYM called Sceptile back!LYM sent out Infernape! Demoli called Anise back!Demoli sent out Ellebreyals! (Heatran) Start of turn 11Demoli called Ellebreyals back!Demoli sent out Anise! (Celebi) LYM called Infernape back!LYM sent out Gyarados! The foe's Gyarados intimidates Anise!Anise's Attack fell!Anise restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 12LYM called Gyarados back!LYM sent out Sceptile! Anise used Thunder Wave!The foe's Sceptile is paralyzed! It may be unable to move! Anise restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 13Demoli called Anise back!Demoli sent out Jannet! (Hippowdon) Jannet's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!LYM called Sceptile back!LYM sent out Electivire! The sandstorm rages!The foe's Electivire is buffeted by the sandstorm! Start of turn 14LYM called Electivire back!LYM sent out Gyarados! The foe's Gyarados intimidates Jannet!Jannet's Attack fell!Jannet used Stealth Rock!Pointed stones float in the air around LYM's team! The sandstorm rages!The foe's Gyarados is buffeted by the sandstorm! Start of turn 15Demoli called Jannet back!Demoli sent out Beyblade! (Nattorei) The foe's Gyarados used Waterfall!It's not very effective...Beyblade lost 52 HP! (16% of its health)Beyblade's Iron Barbs hurts the foe's Gyarados The sandstorm rages!The foe's Gyarados is buffeted by the sandstorm!Beyblade restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 16LYM called Gyarados back!LYM sent out Infernape!Pointed stones dug into the foe's Infernape! Beyblade used Thunder Wave!The foe's Infernape is already paralyzed. The sandstorm rages!The foe's Infernape is buffeted by the sandstorm!Beyblade restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 17Demoli called Beyblade back!Demoli sent out Rupee! (Starmie) The foe's Infernape used Vacuum Wave!It's not very effective...Rupee lost 35 HP! (13% of its health) The sandstorm rages!Rupee is buffeted by the sandstorm!The foe's Infernape is buffeted by the sandstorm! Start of turn 18LYM called Infernape back!LYM sent out Electivire!Pointed stones dug into the foe's Electivire! Rupee used Trick!Rupee switched items with the foe's Electivire!Rupee obtained one Focus Sash!The foe's Electivire obtained one Choice Scarf! The sandstorm rages!The foe's Electivire is buffeted by the sandstorm!Rupee is buffeted by the sandstorm! Start of turn 19Demoli called Rupee back!Demoli sent out Jannet! (Hippowdon) The foe's Electivire used Dark Pulse!Jannet lost 184 HP! (43% of its health) The sandstorm rages!The foe's Electivire is buffeted by the sandstorm!Jannet restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 20The foe's Electivire used Dark Pulse!Jannet lost 178 HP! (42% of its health) Jannet used Slack Off!Jannet regained health! The sandstorm rages!The foe's Electivire is buffeted by the sandstorm!Jannet restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 21LYM called Electivire back!LYM sent out Gyarados!Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gyarados! The foe's Gyarados intimidates Jannet!Jannet's Attack fell!Jannet used Earthquake!It had no effect! The sandstorm rages!The foe's Gyarados is buffeted by the sandstorm!Jannet restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 22Demoli called Jannet back!Demoli sent out Beyblade! (Nattorei) The foe's Gyarados used Waterfall!It's not very effective...Beyblade lost 48 HP! (15% of its health)Beyblade's Iron Barbs hurts the foe's Gyarados The sandstorm rages!The foe's Gyarados is buffeted by the sandstorm!Beyblade restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 23LYM called Gyarados back!LYM sent out Electivire!Pointed stones dug into the foe's Electivire! Beyblade used Spikes!Spikes were scattered all around the feet of LYM's team! The sandstorm rages!The foe's Electivire is buffeted by the sandstorm!Beyblade restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 24Demoli called Beyblade back!Demoli sent out Rupee! (Starmie) The foe's Electivire used Flamethrower!It's not very effective...Rupee lost 66 HP! (25% of its health) The sandstorm rages!The foe's Electivire is buffeted by the sandstorm!Rupee is buffeted by the sandstorm! Start of turn 25LYM called Electivire back!LYM sent out Gyarados!Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gyarados!The foe's Gyarados fainted! Rupee used Thunderbolt!But there was no target... The sandstorm rages!Rupee is buffeted by the sandstorm!LYM sent out Electivire!Pointed stones dug into the foe's Electivire!The foe's Electivire is hurt by spikes! Start of turn 26Demoli called Rupee back!Demoli sent out Beyblade! (Nattorei) The foe's Electivire used Dark Pulse!It's not very effective...Beyblade lost 50 HP! (15% of its health) The sandstorm rages!The foe's Electivire is buffeted by the sandstorm!Beyblade restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 27LYM called Electivire back!LYM sent out Infernape!Pointed stones dug into the foe's Infernape!The foe's Infernape is hurt by spikes! Beyblade used Spikes!Spikes were scattered all around the feet of LYM's team! The sandstorm rages!The foe's Infernape is buffeted by the sandstorm!Beyblade restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 28Demoli called Beyblade back!Demoli sent out Ellebreyals! (Heatran) The foe's Infernape used Flamethrower!Ellebreyals's Flash Fire raised the power of its Fire-type moves! The sandstorm rages!The foe's Infernape is buffeted by the sandstorm!LYM: I give up!Demoli: good game[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 You could probably do something similar with Mew with a lot less weaknesses. If you need power you could go with Darkrai, if it's still unbanned. If you want to keep Celebi's role, Erufuun could probably do it far better with Mischevious Heart. You'd lose Natural Cure though if you're using Celebi as a status sponge. With Erufuun I'd run Switcharoo/Leech Seed/Sub/Toxic, with the last moveslot being up to you. I've seen a really good tank Erufuun used before with Cotton Spore, but that's a little gimmicky. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 I see, can erufuun sponge special hits and learn stun spore/twave? cause paralisis helps me a lot more than toxic, so landlos can set up an sd instead of rock polish. (im writing this on a cell phone, sorry for the format) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 I see, can erufuun sponge special hits and learn stun spore/twave? cause paralisis helps me a lot more than toxic, so landlos can set up an sd instead of rock polish. (im writing this on a cell phone, sorry for the format) Yeah it gets Stun Spore, but you might need to give it the Scope Lens if you're worried about the shaky accuracy, but then it just kills the purpose of switcharoo. Although it does get Taunt as well, so it might not be TOO big a deal. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 God erufuun was a disaster for me, i droped to 4k ranks and such. Bt i think i found a new partner, replaced celebi for a jirachi with twave, trick, wish and iron head (i'm kind weary of this one, any replacement suggestion?). It is kinda working, and it doesn't rely much on flinch. Plus, he's a good wish passer. (20:08:57) +RankingBot: Your rank in Wifi is 500/19380! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Replaced Ono with the Gen IV lead Machamp that I know and love. Working great. Also been using Dancing Tank Gliscor (Toxic Orb + Poison Heal with EQ/Taunt/Sword Dance/Protect) and it is simply fantastic. It checks stuff all over like Roopushin and Breloom (although I kinda like bouncing back spores with espeon instead), both of which wreck Tyranitar and Doryuuzu, as it happens. Gliscor is a great partner for both on a sand team. Biggest problem I have right now are water attacks, since they absolutely wreck my entire team, except maybe Garchomp. Does anyone know when Nintendo/Pokemon Online is going to add V-Generate as a legal move? I'm kinda hoping it happens soon, since Victini needs that move to be useful (although Kaendan is cool too). For those who don't know, V-Generate is Victini's other signature move (Kaendan is the other). It is a 180-base power physical fire attack that lowers the user's defenses and speed by 1 stage when it is used. But that's it. No recharge or power drop of any kind, and it's coming with STAB and base 100 attack. It also has near-perfect accuracy (95%). It's something I would honestly love on my team. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 V-Generate will probably be released along with the next movie, since the event victini didn't get it. V-Generate will sigle handedly elevate Sun Teams to an whole new level. Lets make the calcs. 180 base power, which gets stab, which turns into 270 base power. That alone makes it the strongest move in the game apart from stab selfdestruct/explosion. Now, sun also multiplies this by 1.5, which turns it to, lets see, 270+135=405 base power. Add a choice band and use adamant nature and you have, quite simply, the strongest move in the game. Boy, victine will bea beast (plus, his ability makes sure the move won't fail). Also, lets organize a 5th gen tournment, it's about time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Yeah, because of that, I now have a good reason to run Heatran/Kingdra. I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Yeah Heatran is going to become more or less a staple. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Heatran's already a good poke, great typing and coverage, and can set up rocks. Plus, he has good stats to top it all. Oh, Magma storm is awesome on heatran, specially if you also have a pursuiter/wanna trap someone. I can't believe how many people use FB over it, yet it's only slightly more accurate. I can be just lucky though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I give up. This metagame is [bleep]ing broken. I can't get anything going anymore. There is no team that works well now. What the hell happened to make this so... I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I think people realised this metagame is more about team synergy rather than checks, hence once you start messing with your team to find your perfect defensive core and the attacking combo that you like best, you start noticing that most threats arent that broken and are easily countered by your regular pokes and some prediction. Whats your team and pokes that give you most trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 The only thing I found that murders is Rankurusu, so maybe a teambuild around it wouldn't be a bad idea? I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 If thats your play style, then stick to it. Before i settled down with my team i tried a miriad of other techniques and failed miserably with almost all of them. Although i might suggest having at least 2 usable sweepers in yourt eam. I personally use Starmie and Landlos, but i guess Ranku can use both with psycho shock and Psychic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Well, the tried-and-true set I run around with (and popularized) is this: Rankurusu @Life OrbEVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpAAbility: Magic GuardNature: Bold~ Calm Mind~ Recover~ Psycho Shock~ Hidden Power [Fighting]/Focus Blast I just can't find a good offensive core... From what I'm aware, Tyranitar, Scizor, Landlos, Garchomp, and to an extent Doryuuzu threaten this. We need something that can deal with them... Starmie could check them except for Scizor, no? Problem being, Scizor just constantly spams U-turn, so it can't be countered. I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Try a zuruzukin, they are also quite bulky, and have three amazing abilities (Moxie, Intimidate and Shed Skin). Plus, access to two other amazing set up moves (Bulk Up and Dragon Dance). Not only that, but it gets two increadible stabs, Dark and Fighting. If you are willing to try a sandstorm team, doryuzzu is obviously strong after a sd (and very fast), but landlos takes the cake. While not 400 speed fast, he ahs the trolliest speed of 101, and sand power, which gives earthquake on sandstorm and LO boost a increadible base power (OHKOs 0/252 nattorei and 252/252 if it has spikes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Yeah, I've built my team around the concept of insane bulk, and it's working rather well. Now the only things that are really frustrating to face are what, Balloon Doryuuzu and some rain teams? And Starmie is amazing: Starmie @Expert BeltEVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spd / 4 Def (for more swaps into SR)Nature: TimidAbility: Natural Cure~ Hydro Pump / Surf~ Ice Beam~ Thunderbolt~ Hidden Power [Fire] Seriously, the amount of people who get greedy and swap in Scizor and Nattorei is astounding, so I punish them with a quick HP Fire. Wish support is good, so complement it with the best answer to dragons there is: Jirachi @LeftoversEVs: 252 HP / 216 SpDef / 36 SpdNature: CarefulAbility: Serene Grace~ Wish~ Body Slam~ Iron Head~ U-turn / Fire Punch / Stealth Rock Once again, so many people get greedy with Nattorei and Scizor, so Fire Punch punishes both. Seriously, the bulk this thing has is insane. Fun fact: LO Sazandora's Fire Blast fails to 2HKO it. The picture is even better looking at Draco Meteor. Specs Latios does something like 35%. Free Wish. I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I take from that that you're doing well, have you tried zuruzukin yet? Or have you found another guy for your team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I take from that that you're doing well, have you tried zuruzukin yet? Or have you found another guy for your team? Zuruzukin is "Eh" for me. He's not bad, but he's the weakest link in my team, in that he really doesn't do much. Sure being able to eat Gengar for breakfast is awesome, but he just doesn't do enough for the team. Shed Skin doesn't quite work well either, so maybe I could play around with an Intimidate variant which can safely deal with Doryuuzu? Failing that, there's always Machamp/Roobushin/Hariyama. I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I take from that that you're doing well, have you tried zuruzukin yet? Or have you found another guy for your team? Zuruzukin is "Eh" for me. He's not bad, but he's the weakest link in my team, in that he really doesn't do much. Sure being able to eat Gengar for breakfast is awesome, but he just doesn't do enough for the team. Shed Skin doesn't quite work well either, so maybe I could play around with an Intimidate variant which can safely deal with Doryuuzu? Failing that, there's always Machamp/Roobushin/Hariyama. Don't forget Gliscor/Landlos, both of which also check Dory's counters if you happen to have a dory of your own. Balloon dorys are a problem for Gliscor that only run earthquake, though. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I take from that that you're doing well, have you tried zuruzukin yet? Or have you found another guy for your team? Zuruzukin is "Eh" for me. He's not bad, but he's the weakest link in my team, in that he really doesn't do much. Sure being able to eat Gengar for breakfast is awesome, but he just doesn't do enough for the team. Shed Skin doesn't quite work well either, so maybe I could play around with an Intimidate variant which can safely deal with Doryuuzu? Failing that, there's always Machamp/Roobushin/Hariyama. Don't forget Gliscor/Landlos, both of which also check Dory's counters if you happen to have a dory of your own. Balloon dorys are a problem for Gliscor that only run earthquake, though. Main problem with this is that I already run Landlos and don't want another ice weakness. I might start using a more physically bulky Hariyama or something, who knows. Knock Off is an awesome move after all. I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoli Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Wouldn't you be better of with a Machamp in that case? I mean, loosing knock off is kind of bad, but machamp mroe then makes up for it. Machamp, along with other like Starmie, Garchomp (which i can't wait to be banned), Lati brothers (same boat as chomp) and skarmory haven't aged a bit, and still do their job without much interruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Machamp is a very good option, but it took a major beating in Gen V. In Gen IV, Machamp was amazing. It had pretty good defenses, but the main thing it had going for it (as opposed to perhaps something like Swampert) was that it had, for all intents and purposes, no weaknesses. No one used Psychic or Flying type moves in Gen IV. Yes you'd have the occasional sweeping azelf or skarmory that would threaten Machamp, but azelf you can switch out of since psychic sucks for attacking anyway and most bulky machamp and deal with Skarmory. In Gen V, though, psychic attacks are far more common with new, GOOD psychic types being introduced, the ability to use Psycho Shock so Blissey doesn't wall the crap out of you (PS Starmie actually 2hkos Blissey, as it happens), all Deoxys and Lati pokes being unbanned, and Magic Mirror Espeon making it one of the more popular pokemon out there since it basically counters stall singlehandedly with good prediction. Offensively, it still has STAB No Guard Dynamicpunch, and it isn't any weaker than before, but now there's that ground/ghost thing that gets it as well, although yes without the STAB, but still...it seems to me that in this gen ground/ghost is better typing than pure fighting, especially when you consider the ghost had better defenses iirc. 130 base attack is also nothing to laugh at, but when base 140 Roobushin and its priority mach punch, Machamp doesn't seem to great anymore. Imo, Machamp has little purpose outside of the lead role. It's offensively outclassed by Roobushin and it's defensively outclassed by that ground/ghost thing I can't remember the name of. It can pull off a very good offensive/defensive mix with high attack +Dpunch along with good defenses, but it just doesn't good enough to really make up for its shortcomings. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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