baalboy5 Posted July 12, 2008 Author Share Posted July 12, 2008 ^^ *Points to Japan* the REAL REAL reason. Japan attacked USA because of influence of WW2 right? *points at Hitler* Don't you know the first rule of MMO's? Anyone higher level than you has no life, and anyone lower than you is a noob. People in OT eat glass when they are bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 ^^ I meant for WW1 My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 ^^ I meant for WW1 Wait, what? :wall: "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Are you saying we should withdraw immediately and leave Iraq to al qaeda and Iran? Al Queda was never in Iraq. It wasn't until America "took over" that they started popping up there. Vienna Raszyn Warsaw Klushino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 *points to the two world wars* countries invaded france without a care in the world Points to two dictators who ruled aggressive, hateful regimes. Besides, they knew France was an easy target. Points to Franz Ferdinand,whose assassination was the REAL reason for the first world war The assassination of Duke Ferdinand was just the match to the pile of gasoline-doused logs, there were a whole lot of issues in the world at the time and WW1 would've started even without the assassination. Vienna Raszyn Warsaw Klushino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 ^^ I meant for WW1 Wait, what? :wall: Japan beat russia in the 1905 war which made russia ally with France. That made Germany nervous so they came up with their plan for war with both France and russia. The plan was because russia took so long to mobilize they would beat France first then russia. When russia began to mobilize without France and germany at war it messed up the plan. So if Japan hadn't beat russia there wouldn't have been a war. Are you saying we should withdraw immediately and leave Iraq to al qaeda and Iran? Al Queda was never in Iraq. It wasn't until America "took over" that they started popping up there. Thats irrelevant to whether or not to withdraw prematurely. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragoonson Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Damn you guys are good at modern history...I'm better with medival,like the Crusades.By the way,did Germany attack first or did Japan,in WWII? so i herd u liek devarts?If you look at me and feel offended by my 666-ism,think.I could be just as offended by your "cross".[hide=This's why I'm hot]The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".Amen, brother :lol:Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)amen Bruder! (german ftw)I'm invulnerable to everything, except Lenin and Dragoonson.That's impossible. I love people.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine naked men Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Damn you guys are good at modern history...I'm better with medival,like the Crusades.By the way,did Germany attack first or did Japan,in WWII? Didn't it start when Germany invaded Poland? sleep like dead men wake up like dead men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieMcD Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 How can America call a war on...say a random country? How would citizens, congress, and everybody actually agree and civilians would become soldiers to fight for a invasion for a war for no apprent reason? Also How would any other country declare war on another country? Is their like a system, like evidence, beliefs or can the president/queen/king/emprior just be like 'I feel like starting a war' ? 1) Propaganda, it's all propaganda, for Iraq Bush just kept going on and on about how they posed a threat to American peace and had mass amounts of WMDs in Iraq. If they're successful with the propaganda then they'll have the backing of the nation, congress, citizens etc etc. With Bush in charge America can call war on anyone, Bush causes more damage to world peace than he stops. 2) Depends on what system they operate under, I.E democracy, fascism, communism. Since the 2 latter are run by dictators then it's simply down to if they want to go to war or not. In most democracies there are people with the power to veto certain things like wars. So if congress and the citizens aren't in support of going to war then it most likely wont happen. If a country is a member of the UN and wants to declare war on another member then they'll ask the UN, but this can be ignored like the UN's disapproval was for the war on Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Are you saying we should withdraw immediately and leave Iraq to al qaeda and Iran? Al Queda was never in Iraq. It wasn't until America "took over" that they started popping up there. Thats irrelevant to whether or not to withdraw prematurely. Who says America's even doing a good job in Iraq? Most Iraqis want you to withdraw. Yet you decide to stay. That's some democracy you're building there. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 322508.ece :wall: :-w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 We should have bombed iran a while ago. They are killing American troops. Thats enough for me. I mean I remember watching some thing with just William Delahunt by himself and one guy in an empty room. He was trying to find out what the disastrous consequences would be of bombing iran. This is a guy he picked by the way. The guy basically said that they wouldn't be able to do anything and we could destroy their air force within like 2 hours or something. Who says America's even doing a good job in Iraq? Most Iraqis want you to withdraw. Yet you decide to stay. That's some democracy you're building there. So we should withdraw and let the Isf splinter and iran and al qaida gain more power there? Were doing a damn good job now. Thanks to Patreus. That guys up there with Grant, Jackson, and Eisenhower if we win the war. Even the members of the Iraqi parliament who want us out the most aren't calling for an immediate withdrawal. When they testified to congress the sunni guy said that we should have a timetable but that the commanders on the ground should come up with it. He said whatever length of time whether it be a year or more as long as the sentiment was there. I'm not sure when Patreus is going to do his assessment on troop levels but I think it's next month. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragoonson Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 We should have bombed iran a while ago. They are killing American troops. Thats enough for me. I mean I remember watching some thing with just William Delahunt by himself and one guy in an empty room. He was trying to find out what the disastrous consequences would be of bombing iran. This is a guy he picked by the way. The guy basically said that they wouldn't be able to do anything and we could destroy their air force within like 2 hours or something. Who says America's even doing a good job in Iraq? Most Iraqis want you to withdraw. Yet you decide to stay. That's some democracy you're building there. So we should withdraw and let the Isf splinter and iran and al qaida gain more power there? Were doing a damn good job now. Thanks to Patreus. That guys up there with Grant, Jackson, and Eisenhower if we win the war. Even the members of the Iraqi parliament who want us out the most aren't calling for an immediate withdrawal. When they testified to congress the sunni guy said that we should have a timetable but that the commanders on the ground should come up with it. He said whatever length of time whether it be a year or more as long as the sentiment was there. I'm not sure when Patreus is going to do his assessment on troop levels but I think it's next month. You guys would be bastards if that ever happened.You've killed their people,so by right they should bomb you,no? so i herd u liek devarts?If you look at me and feel offended by my 666-ism,think.I could be just as offended by your "cross".[hide=This's why I'm hot]The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".Amen, brother :lol:Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)amen Bruder! (german ftw)I'm invulnerable to everything, except Lenin and Dragoonson.That's impossible. I love people.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 What iranians have we killed? My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragoonson Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hmm I don't know I just don't think people go around shooting American troops for no reason :roll: And unless you're in Iran I seriously doubt you'd know.The First Crusaders were just supposed to capture Jerusalem.Did they?No,they killed every Muslim in there.I doubt soldiers in Iran would kill them all,but they'd kill,no doubt about that. so i herd u liek devarts?If you look at me and feel offended by my 666-ism,think.I could be just as offended by your "cross".[hide=This's why I'm hot]The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".Amen, brother :lol:Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)amen Bruder! (german ftw)I'm invulnerable to everything, except Lenin and Dragoonson.That's impossible. I love people.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 That isn't really coherent. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragoonson Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 That isn't really coherent. Okay I'll simplify it.No,wait its already simple.I'll explain it.No wait its already explained.Damn.Looks like its time for a rephrasing,or a study of your history books. Just as you say Americans haven't killed Iran's folk,they can say they haven't killed Americans,true?I can easily say you castrated me,but is it true?Let me check my pants.No,not true. so i herd u liek devarts?If you look at me and feel offended by my 666-ism,think.I could be just as offended by your "cross".[hide=This's why I'm hot]The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".Amen, brother :lol:Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)amen Bruder! (german ftw)I'm invulnerable to everything, except Lenin and Dragoonson.That's impossible. I love people.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Well as far as I know we haven't. Unfortunately I don't have top secret clearance. iran has been arming, training, and helping in just about every way possible terrorists in Iraq. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 We should have bombed iran a while ago. They are killing American troops. Thats enough for me. I mean I remember watching some thing with just William Delahunt by himself and one guy in an empty room. He was trying to find out what the disastrous consequences would be of bombing iran. This is a guy he picked by the way. The guy basically said that they wouldn't be able to do anything and we could destroy their air force within like 2 hours or something. Oh jesus, soldiers die on duty all around the bloody world. We've a few in Kosovo who inevitably will die keeping the peace. I suppose that means we should all declare war on Serbia. -.- Will you listen to yourself, please, and actually develop some sort of coherence to your arguments? Who says America's even doing a good job in Iraq? Most Iraqis want you to withdraw. Yet you decide to stay. That's some democracy you're building there. So we should withdraw and let the Isf splinter and iran and al qaida gain more power there? Were doing a damn good job now. Thanks to Patreus. That guys up there with Grant, Jackson, and Eisenhower if we win the war. Even the members of the Iraqi parliament who want us out the most aren't calling for an immediate withdrawal. When they testified to congress the sunni guy said that we should have a timetable but that the commanders on the ground should come up with it. He said whatever length of time whether it be a year or more as long as the sentiment was there. I'm not sure when Patreus is going to do his assessment on troop levels but I think it's next month. I don't care about your general. I don't romantically analyse the world through the actions of 'great men'. I see things as they are. You avoided my point. You are (apparently) building a democracy. The will of the Iraqi people is that you should leave immediately. That is their wish, and it is their sovereign right to demand you leave, whether or not you feel there's a terrorist group inside Iraq or not. Let's actually try reversing the roles to develop some sort of consistency here. I'm the leader of, say, China. A terrorist attack has occurred in my country. I've traced the attack to a group operating inside the US. I attack the US, overthrow its government, create a government that suits my personal ideology, ignore the will of the American people, and stay there regardless of the American people despising my troops' very presence there, using the excuse "we're hunting terrorists", pumping barrels of oil out of the country while millions go without power. Now it's your country's will being totally ignored, would you support China in this scenario, as you support the US's actions in the real world? Because that is exactly what's happening in Iraq. You have absolutely no right to stay inside Iraq. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragoonson Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Ah right,a few of our soldiers die in the forests of Brunei training.We don't bomb the crap out of them.(Well,we are technically allied,but still a good example) Ginger,you deserve an applause with both my hands and feet,though I don't think China is democratic...Don't recall. so i herd u liek devarts?If you look at me and feel offended by my 666-ism,think.I could be just as offended by your "cross".[hide=This's why I'm hot]The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".Amen, brother :lol:Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)amen Bruder! (german ftw)I'm invulnerable to everything, except Lenin and Dragoonson.That's impossible. I love people.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Who's demanding that we leave immediately? Maliki has asked for a timetable but that can be as long as we need it to be. A timetable is a bad idea. Politicians in America who call for one are hypocrites. Back in 05-06 Senators Biden, Clinton, Obama, and Reid were all against a timetable. Once we begin to drawdown after Patreus's assessment I'd bet the Maliki will ease up on a timetable. My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00864.html Biden has always supported a timetable, or a plan of some sort. Biden was probably my first choice for President too, god bless you Fightin' Joe. http://youtube.com/watch?v=d_bSzKrQVY4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Who's demanding that we leave immediately? The Iraqi people are. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragoonson Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Who's demanding that we leave immediately? The Iraqi people are. But their opinions don't matter in a democracy :roll: so i herd u liek devarts?If you look at me and feel offended by my 666-ism,think.I could be just as offended by your "cross".[hide=This's why I'm hot]The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".Amen, brother :lol:Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)amen Bruder! (german ftw)I'm invulnerable to everything, except Lenin and Dragoonson.That's impossible. I love people.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackattack Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 As far as setting a timeline...thats not a wise decision, because it only empowers those who don't want us there. Harry Reid Jan 31 2005 A deadline for pulling out will only encourage our enemies to wait us out. It would be a Lebanon 1985, and God only knows where it goes from there. Joe Biden June 21 2005 I don't believe it's smart to set a date for withdrawal. I don't think you should ever telegraph your intentions to the enemy so they can await you. Hillary Clinton September 22 2005 A hard, fast, arbitrary deadline for withdrawal offers our commanders in the field and our diplomats in the region insufficient flexibility to implement that strategy. Barack Obama June 6 2006 My carbon footprint is bigger than yours...and you know what they say about big feet. These are the times that try mens souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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