July 26, 200817 yr I enjoy reading each of your comments : very well illustrated points. but I must stress as I have said before these are my own opinion based upon my own experience in metal for me metal was too much of a one dimensional genre and I outgrew and began to listen to something else, for another it could be a great joy and driving passion. MY experience conflicts with another's "truth" or experience; yet it remains a truth. Life offers many paths in practically every facet, there is no right or wrong simply other ways. you may call my experience ignorant but I ask how can such a claim be made? what the word metal is to me is certainly different than what the word metal is to you, for each of us has experienced different musical groups which alters our descrpitive capabilities on our experiences. on the surface it appears quite similar but a closer look reveals each has it's own unique descriptive properties. For example when I state metal is very anger focused, I am not very focused on the subject matter for in my experience with metal the lyrics were never an important part for me, as a guitar player I payed large attention only to the guitars which carried sounds that I associate with the emotion anger. For those curious of what my experience in metal was I shall list a few of the band names I still remember. -Spawn of Possession -Cryptopsy -Necrophagist -Pyscroptic -Atheist -Between the Buried and me -All Shall Perish -Glass Casket -The Faceless -Beneath the Massacre -Sleep Terror -[bleep]...Im dead -Aborted -Severed Savior -Cephalic Carnage -At the Throne of Judgment ...bout all I can remember
July 26, 200817 yr So you listened to about 1% of what metal had to offer and not even anything good? - Jesu - Burzum - Darkthrone - Aarni - Animus - Bathory - Black Sabbath - Blind Guardian - Dream Theater - Helloween - Therion - Sun O))) - Summoning - Saxon - Iron Maiden - Primordial Just a very quick look through my playlist, all of these are metal artists in which they express a large range of emotions, certainly more then just anger. What you listened to was stuff like Death metal / metalcore / grindcore, being willfully ignorant of the rest of the genre. Metal is very diverse and has many unique genres in it which sound, well, not much alike. I'm just trying to say that your musical selection is all in one very specific genre and you ignored everything else. Metal can be as artistic or as "fun" as you want it to be, depending on the group. I urge you to try and listen to some of the examples I posted (especially Aarni, Jesu, Sun O))) and Summoning) to get a unique view of metal. If you want something a bit more light weight and "fun" I would suggest Helloween, or Blind guardian or Iron Maiden.
July 26, 200817 yr I enjoy reading each of your comments : very well illustrated points. but I must stress as I have said before these are my own opinion based upon my own experience in metal for me metal was too much of a one dimensional genre and I outgrew and began to listen to something else, for another it could be a great joy and driving passion. MY experience conflicts with another's "truth" or experience; yet it remains a truth. Life offers many paths in practically every facet, there is no right or wrong simply other ways. you may call my experience ignorant but I ask how can such a claim be made? what the word metal is to me is certainly different than what the word metal is to you, for each of us has experienced different musical groups which alters our descrpitive capabilities on our experiences. on the surface it appears quite similar but a closer look reveals each has it's own unique descriptive properties. For example when I state metal is very anger focused, I am not very focused on the subject matter for in my experience with metal the lyrics were never an important part for me, as a guitar player I payed large attention only to the guitars which carried sounds that I associate with the emotion anger. For those curious of what my experience in metal was I shall list a few of the band names I still remember. -Spawn of Possession -Cryptopsy -Necrophagist -Pyscroptic -Atheist -Between the Buried and me -All Shall Perish -Glass Casket -The Faceless -Beneath the Massacre -Sleep Terror -[bleep]...Im dead -Aborted -Severed Savior -Cephalic Carnage -At the Throne of Judgment ...bout all I can remember no wonder, you listened to 1 good band, atheist... what about summoning, or something? metal is much more rooted in escapism than anger.
July 26, 200817 yr For those curious of what my experience in metal was I shall list a few of the band names I still remember. -Spawn of Possession -Cryptopsy -Necrophagist -Pyscroptic -Atheist -Between the Buried and me -All Shall Perish -Glass Casket -The Faceless -Beneath the Massacre -Sleep Terror -[bleep]...Im dead -Aborted -Severed Savior -Cephalic Carnage -At the Throne of Judgment ...bout all I can remember If they're the only metal bands you've listened to it's quite understandable that you think anger is the emotion portrayed in it. I listen to a fair bit of "Anger" metal, but also a fair bit of depressing stuff. Nadril has already listed half the bands I would have mentioned, plus some, so check them out. But some others I might recommend if you're at all interested are: - Shining (Make sure you get the Swedish one. Particularly their latest album, V: Halmstad.) - Lifelover - Isis - Cult of Luna There are many others I could list, but those are the least "aqcuired taste" ones I could think of. Cool.
July 26, 200817 yr Author I'm currently listening to bands like Atfault, yes A bit of anger but with a political message, Almost folk like (yes close to Dylan) poetic lyrics. With blood Comes Cleansing, maybe metalcore, but because they are religious I highly doubt they would have fan burning down churches. My pure's stats: str:70attc:35def:4range:72mage:70hp:70
July 26, 200817 yr hehe well it was only a small example of the bands I used to listen to, the only ones I could think of off the top of my head,but your responses exemplify difference in opinion, you find the tech metal artists mentioned above to be bad while myself in the past found the technical skill in many of these artists to be exciting. was able to dig up my old last.fm to give a more in depth list of all the metal artists I listened to. (also was able to see a few non metal artists I hadn't listened to in ages and had forgotten about : ) -Slayer -As I Lay Dying -The Black Dahlia Murder -Metallica -Norma Jean -Opeth -Darkest Hour -Nasum -Lamb of god -Through the Eyes of the Dead -A Life once Lost -Children of Bodom -As Blood Runs Black -The Red Chord -Job for a Cowboy -Pantera -The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza -Bring me the Horizon -Into the Moat -Animosity -Tool? is that considered metal? haha I would think maybe might be considered more rock but whatever -Shadows Fall -Genghis Tron -Suicide Silence -Ivebeenshot -Dead will Rise -Arch Enemy -Embrace the End -Cattle Decapitation -Circle of Dead Children -Daughters -Kaamos -splatterhouse -the Locust -Behemoth -Underneath the Gun -Martyr -Dance Club Massacre -Jason Becker -Ed Gein -Belie My Burial -In Flames -Pig Destroyer -From a Second story Window -Trivium -Carcass -Goratory -Heavyheavylowlow -See You Next Tuesday -The Chariot -An Albatross -The Dillinger Escape Plan -Marduk -Emperor -Waking the Cadaver -Bleeding Through -Dark Funeral -Knights of the Abyss -Darkthrone -Arsis -Capharnaum -Amon Amarth -Napalm Death -At the Gates -Down -25 Dollar Massacre -Nile -Naglfar -Watain -Deicide -1349 -Murder comes in Rows -Abigail Williams -Burzum -Robinson -Dismember Lastly escapism to you is the avoidance of reality by absorption in entertainment or in an imaginative situation? I find something rooted in that to follow closely with fear, the same with anger so it still hang within the same spectrum of fear
July 26, 200817 yr Author -Slayer -As I Lay Dying -The Black Dahlia Murder -Metallica -Norma Jean -Opeth -Lamb of god -Through the Eyes of the Dead -Children of Bodom -As Blood Runs Black -Job for a Cowboy -Pantera -The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza? -Tool? -Shadows Fall -Dead will Rise -Arch Enemy -Dance Club Massacre? -Trivium -The Dillinger Escape Plan -Bleeding Through -Arsis -Nile I have heard of these, the question marks are for the weird named ones(haven't heard of them though)... Nice collection, I take it you don't listen to sea shanties. My pure's stats: str:70attc:35def:4range:72mage:70hp:70
July 26, 200817 yr feedme man, those all almost fit within the death metal or metalcore genres as I said. You've heard a small percentage of what metal has to offer.
July 26, 200817 yr hehe well it was only a small example of the bands I used to listen to, the only ones I could think of off the top of my head,but your responses exemplify difference in opinion, you find the tech metal artists mentioned above to be bad while myself in the past found the technical skill in many of these artists to be exciting. was able to dig up my old last.fm to give a more in depth list of all the metal artists I listened to. (also was able to see a few non metal artists I hadn't listened to in ages and had forgotten about : ) -Slayer -As I Lay Dying -The Black Dahlia Murder -Metallica -Norma Jean -Opeth -Darkest Hour -Nasum -Lamb of god -Through the Eyes of the Dead -A Life once Lost -Children of Bodom -As Blood Runs Black -The Red Chord -Job for a Cowboy -Pantera -The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza -Bring me the Horizon -Into the Moat -Animosity -Tool? is that considered metal? haha I would think maybe might be considered more rock but whatever -Shadows Fall -Genghis Tron -Suicide Silence -Ivebeenshot -Dead will Rise -Arch Enemy -Embrace the End -Cattle Decapitation -Circle of Dead Children -Daughters -Kaamos -splatterhouse -the Locust -Behemoth -Underneath the Gun -Martyr -Dance Club Massacre -Jason Becker -Ed Gein -Belie My Burial -In Flames -Pig Destroyer -From a Second story Window -Trivium -Carcass -Goratory -Heavyheavylowlow -See You Next Tuesday -The Chariot -An Albatross -The Dillinger Escape Plan -Marduk -Emperor -Waking the Cadaver -Bleeding Through -Dark Funeral -Knights of the Abyss -Darkthrone -Arsis -Capharnaum -Amon Amarth -Napalm Death -At the Gates -Down -25 Dollar Massacre -Nile -Naglfar -Watain -Deicide -1349 -Murder comes in Rows -Abigail Williams -Burzum -Robinson -Dismember Lastly escapism to you is the avoidance of reality by absorption in entertainment or in an imaginative situation? I find something rooted in that to follow closely with fear, the same with anger so it still hang within the same spectrum of fear i'll keep with the fact that few of those bands are worth listening to. most of the -core is pseudo-anger for all i care hell, a few bands in that big list of yours are hardly 'angry' music. it's a damn shame really, it's like listening to Yes, Dream Theater and Steve Vai and saying that all progressive 'whatever' is pure [bleep] with no substance. as for escapism...what does it matter? Escapism can come in many forms, and is present in almost all sorts of entertainment/arts. we don't fear, but just find euphoria in these things.
July 26, 200817 yr Author About the barking, poodle or terrier My pure's stats: str:70attc:35def:4range:72mage:70hp:70
July 26, 200817 yr I have heard of these, the question marks are for the weird named ones(haven't heard of them though)... Nice collection, I take it you don't listen to sea shanties Sea shanties? afraid I have no idea what that is.... as for the ones in question marks here is some a two songs from both the dance club massacre and TTDTE. Listening to both of these right now I don't consider it to be any good, but I would probably say that about most of the music I listened to in high school hahaa Dance Club massacre: http://youtube.com/watch?v=HavFPT6FP7I The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza: http://youtube.com/watch?v=evmdYmgVP6c (also thought this was kinda funny http://youtube.com/watch?v=VMZMdJaMIMo) feedme man, those all almost fit within the death metal or metalcore genres as I said. You've heard a small percentage of what metal has to offer. yes indeed this list only is a small percantage of what metal has to offer but you must also take into consideration that not every metal band I heard back in the day I liked so there is also a wide majority of bands who simply did not appeal to me in one way or another and was not included in this list. This includes much of the earlier power metal, etc I have heard from my parents old music collection as well as from previous guitar instructors who were keen in teaching stuff like megadeth, dream theater, etc.... i'll keep with the fact that few of those bands are worth listening to. most of the -core is pseudo-anger for all i care back to my earlier speaking of what is one thing for one is certainly not for another... these -core genres were included in my definition of metal for it was a part of my life in the metal experience for me, for you it is excluded and not to your definition. Which is why i often state these are but opinions that work for me in my own personal experience not in the experience of others. hell, a few bands in that big list of yours are hardly 'angry' music. once again, difference in opinions, as a guitarist as I have said before I payed little attention to lyrical content, hell I would never know what most of the guys were saying until I read the lyrics. I instead focused on the instrumentation itself which to me is easily described as having the emotion of anger, something I find to be persistent throughout the genre, different wrapping but generally the same package. Yes this is simply just one way to look at metal, and there are many, which I accept and make no claims that metal is not something else, but try to understand for you metal can be beauty and for me it can be one dimensional, it can be both. it's a damn shame really, it's like listening to Yes, Dream Theater and Steve Vai and saying that all progressive 'whatever' is pure [bleep] with no substance. Yes [bleep]ery?... personally don't see much [bleep]ery in yes, but as stated before what is [bleep]ery to me is different than what it would be for you (though both dream theater and steve vai I would consider having some [bleep]ery) *I know [bleep]ery probably isn't a word but couldn't think of any other way to call it :D ** Completely unrelated, but check out some of these yes vinyls I got recently : Would like to say to each of you have enjoyed having this continued discussion with each and every one who has made comments. Each of you has made excellent points defending your feelings on the subject of metal and has done so in a mature manner refusing to resort to the common internet practice of insults, love you guys
July 26, 200817 yr Author Nice vinyls, The Tony on Tony reminded me of my friends band, The New Tony Bennett... My pure's stats: str:70attc:35def:4range:72mage:70hp:70
July 26, 200817 yr Author And sea shanties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_shanties http://www.arrr.net/shanties/drunken_sailor.shtml My pure's stats: str:70attc:35def:4range:72mage:70hp:70
July 27, 200817 yr I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, although, I cannot find much hints of anger in [early] At The Gates or Burzum. As for Yes being [bleep]ery, I think topographic tales from the ocean is just really [bleep]. I don't mind the song lengths...hell, one of my favourite bands is Tangerine Dream (Zeit is loooong), but, I've never really found substance in Yes.
July 31, 200817 yr Death metal style: Job for a Cowboy please tell me this is sarcasm. :lol: nudist hippy vegan elves who inexplicably wear leather.
July 31, 200817 yr Author Death metal style: Job for a Cowboy please tell me this is sarcasm. :lol: Deathcore/ w/e, it was just to get my point across! My pure's stats: str:70attc:35def:4range:72mage:70hp:70
October 14, 200817 yr Author Gunna see them this week -The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza this is a top friend on TDTE's myspace -Dance Club Massacre Lastly escapism to you is the avoidance of reality by absorption in entertainment or in an imaginative situation? I find something rooted in that to follow closely with fear, the same with anger so it still hang within the same spectrum of fear If you call metal childish, why are you on a Runescape forum. My pure's stats: str:70attc:35def:4range:72mage:70hp:70
October 16, 200817 yr When did this thread appear and why didn't I see it??? Aaaaaaaanyway, it's more of a talent you're born with, but upon saying that, I managed to pick it up by randomly growling whenever I felt like it. You need a deep voice in the first place, that can help. If you're talking about Hardcore screams, though, you just have to inhale really quickly, through your vocal chords. Trial and error, mainly. My Last.FmLeekSpinner!!!Random Furry Dance!!!Proud to hate life, since not too long ago!!!
October 17, 200817 yr I'm with cyco on this one. I don't think you can really "growl" when you sing tenor :| . YOU! ATTEND TET EVENTS! CLICK HERE!
October 17, 200817 yr well, give me some details on your band or what you listen to apart from what you mentioned. We should euthanize anyone who lacks the capability to contribute to society in any way.Please don't elect this man for president in 2012
October 17, 200817 yr I'm with cyco on this one. I don't think you can really "growl" when you sing tenor :| .Never hurt the melodic death metal bands. It's possible with any voice type, you just need to do it from the bottom of your lungs otherwise you're gonna hurt. Steam | Soup | Last.fm
October 17, 200817 yr Would really have been to hard to search in google? I found this. Also, screaming is the vocal art of sucking, literally. :lol: My Last.FmLeekSpinner!!!Random Furry Dance!!!Proud to hate life, since not too long ago!!!
October 17, 200817 yr Author Would really have been to hard to search in google? I found this. Also, screaming is the vocal art of sucking, literally. :lol: I usually do exhales, the video it showed gave a good lesson on inhales, I usually do the second scream for highs. I don't do drugs. My pure's stats: str:70attc:35def:4range:72mage:70hp:70
October 18, 200817 yr Would really have been to hard to search in google? I found this. Also, screaming is the vocal art of sucking, literally. :lol: I usually do exhales, the video it showed gave a good lesson on inhales, I usually do the second scream for highs. I don't do drugs. I always do exhales, they're a lot easier in my opinion, but I never try to get a Deathcore/Hardcore sound, i'm no punk :P Also, what have drugs got to do with any of this? My Last.FmLeekSpinner!!!Random Furry Dance!!!Proud to hate life, since not too long ago!!!
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