RuneScape isn't ruined...

[DanDuke]

Okay, I'm getting really sick and tired of people whining and complaining about how Jagex ruined Runescape and all they care about is money. I've seen loads of Rants about people coming back and instantly quitting because there's no wildy and there's a trade limit now. They want it to go back to the way it was, etc etc. Well guess what? it's not. It's not as if Runescape can stay the same forever.

 

 

 

First of all, the updates can't please everybody. They removed RWT because they had to. Plain and simple. It was a pain for us legit players; the bots kept hogging all the yew trees and mining rocks. Removing RWT included removing wildy and putting down a trade limit, but oh well, c'est la vie. Wilderness was a big part of Runescape for some people and taking it away was like taking away the game for some people, but you have to move on. With the trade limit, you can no longer give away free stuff, or receive stuff gratos. Too bad, you'll just have to work for your money.

 

 

 

Secondly, jagex isn't obsessed with money. I'm sure removing the wilderness wasn't an easy decision for them, it's been around for a long time and it's not something you take away on a whim. Hell, I'm sure they lost money with that update.

 

I'm betting the removal of the wilderness made many member pkers quit, and also potential members in f2p. Runescape is the way all employees of Jagex win their lives. It's thanks to the game they can buy their car, their house, etc. Maintaining Runescape isn't free.

 

 

 

Thirdly, these ranters always seem to *conveniently* overlook the good things. Bounty Hunter, although not the same as the wilderness, acts as a replacement. I've never heard one of them mention Summoning, the new slayer helmet, or even the new graphics. Jagex worked a long time to bring us the graphical update. We're happy, and they make money from new members, so it works for everybody. Jagex spend time and money on the updates, we're happy with the good ones, and they make cash with them. As for f2p whining about them not getting any new updates, hey, they got an achievement diary, dueling arena, party room, and

 

 

 

Lastly, to people who are unfairly muted/banned. You have every reason to be mad about the automated responses you get, but the amount of report abuses they receive everyday must be absolutely insane. There is no way they can respond to all of them with the amount of people they have.

 

 

 

Anyway, I think that's it for now. I tried to organise as best I could, and I forgot some stuff, but w/e...

[Guest]

definatly. I 100% agree what your saying, that people only focus on the bad :|

 

 

 

Wrong forum btw, rants is more problems with the game.

[Agunimon979]

I thought the wilderness was removed because people kept on getting lured...?

[nerdattack16]

I thought the wilderness was removed because people kept on getting lured...?

 

That could be part of it. But it was also most likely removed as a potential RWT source. Just like Bounty Hunter today, two players could meet and one could kill the other for the items. That's why Bounty Hunter was created: a replacement for "dangerous" PKing that would help remove (or in the current case, somewhat cut down) RWTing.

 

 

 

Anyway. Yeah, RuneScape isn't ruined. For some people. I suppose it is, if PKing (or RWTing) was their life in it. But there are most likely more non-PKers than PKers out there, and they're still playing. Sure, you can't please everyone, but it seems like a vast majority of players are still happy with the game.

[Nabbagad]

Exactly! Nice rant, I agree with everything you have said.

[The_Gabe]

Well actually, there is one part I don't agree on, I think Jagex is money obssessed. Think about it, they had to remove the wild so they won't have to shut down rs, and if rs is shot down, they don't make any money.

[deloriagod]

I 100% disagree with your rant.

 

 

 

1. From what I've been told, RWT + trade limits were put into effect due to Jagex getting far too many fraudulent credit card charges. They failed epically by not taking care of this earlier on and in a much more effective way than they are currently doing. I won't go into details about it but I'm willing to bet they've barely reduced the amount of fraudulent charges. They also won't give me any details as to the amount of fradulent charges before these updates and after. Many players on the official forums say "they don't have to" but I'd be willing to bet it's because they failed and they're not willing to admit it after such huge updates.

 

 

 

Also, I personally miss bots keeping the prices of resources under control. Now if I want to level a skill, it's going to cost me money instead of helping me make money.

 

 

 

2. They are obsessed with money. They could charge $15 a month like most other games and get a small amount of players due to the quality of the game. But they only charge $5. Most parents are willing to shell out $5 a month to keep their kid out of trouble. $15 is less likely and then they would be competing with games like WoW, EQII, and L2.

 

 

 

3. BH sucks. It's not a replacement for wilderness, it's junk. Summoning is a money drain, slayer helm is ok, and the new graphics make the game come up to par with early Gamecube graphics. Nothing spectacular to make up for all that we lost.

[Fairness]

^That. Face it, not every company can succeed. Jagex might keep up the impression that all is OK, but it's not.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

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Okay, I'm getting really sick and tired of people whining and complaining about how Jagex ruined Runescape and all they care about is money. I've seen loads of Rants about people coming back and instantly quitting because there's no wildy and there's a trade limit now. They want it to go back to the way it was, etc etc. Well guess what? it's not. It's not as if Runescape can stay the same forever.

 

 

 

Thirdly, these ranters always seem to *conveniently* overlook the good things. Bounty Hunter, although not the same as the wilderness, acts as a replacement. I've never heard one of them mention Summoning, the new slayer helmet, or even the new graphics. Jagex worked a long time to bring us the graphical update. We're happy, and they make money from new members, so it works for everybody. Jagex spend time and money on the updates, we're happy with the good ones, and they make cash with them. As for f2p whining about them not getting any new updates, hey, they got an achievement diary, dueling arena, party room, and

 

 

 

Lastly, to people who are unfairly muted/banned. You have every reason to be mad about the automated responses you get, but the amount of report abuses they receive everyday must be absolutely insane. There is no way they can respond to all of them with the amount of people they have.

 

 

 

Anyway, I think that's it for now. I tried to organise as best I could, and I forgot some stuff, but w/e...

[/hide]

 

 

 

This is a forum for rants about the game, not Arrow's thread just below this...

 

If you wanted to post this thread, put it in RSOF under 'Compliments'...

 

 

 

I 100% disagree with your rant.

 

 

 

1. From what I've been told, RWT + trade limits were put into effect due to Jagex getting far too many fraudulent credit card charges. They failed epically by not taking care of this earlier on and in a much more effective way than they are currently doing. I won't go into details about it but I'm willing to bet they've barely reduced the amount of fraudulent charges. They also won't give me any details as to the amount of fradulent charges before these updates and after. Many players on the official forums say "they don't have to" but I'd be willing to bet it's because they failed and they're not willing to admit it after such huge updates.

 

 

 

Also, I personally miss bots keeping the prices of resources under control. Now if I want to level a skill, it's going to cost me money instead of helping me make money.

 

 

 

2. They are obsessed with money. They could charge $15 a month like most other games and get a small amount of players due to the quality of the game. But they only charge $5. Most parents are willing to shell out $5 a month to keep their kid out of trouble. $15 is less likely and then they would be competing with games like WoW, EQII, and L2.

 

 

 

3. BH sucks. It's not a replacement for wilderness, it's junk. Summoning is a money drain, slayer helm is ok, and the new graphics make the game come up to par with early Gamecube graphics. Nothing spectacular to make up for all that we lost.

 

 

 

100% agree with this post, and its exactly how i look at the new Runescape.

 

A couple of Jagex lovers are likely to 'flame' you for saying what you think, thats the points of a rants forum, right? :roll:

[DanDuke]

I 100% disagree with your rant.

 

 

 

1. From what I've been told, RWT + trade limits were put into effect due to Jagex getting far too many fraudulent credit card charges. They failed epically by not taking care of this earlier on and in a much more effective way than they are currently doing. I won't go into details about it but I'm willing to bet they've barely reduced the amount of fraudulent charges. They also won't give me any details as to the amount of fradulent charges before these updates and after. Many players on the official forums say "they don't have to" but I'd be willing to bet it's because they failed and they're not willing to admit it after such huge updates.

 

 

 

Also, I personally miss bots keeping the prices of resources under control. Now if I want to level a skill, it's going to cost me money instead of helping me make money.

 

 

 

2. They are obsessed with money. They could charge $15 a month like most other games and get a small amount of players due to the quality of the game. But they only charge $5. Most parents are willing to shell out $5 a month to keep their kid out of trouble. $15 is less likely and then they would be competing with games like WoW, EQII, and L2.

 

 

 

3. BH sucks. It's not a replacement for wilderness, it's junk. Summoning is a money drain, slayer helm is ok, and the new graphics make the game come up to par with early Gamecube graphics. Nothing spectacular to make up for all that we lost.

 

 

 

I'm sorry you think so, but that's your personal opinion and not the opinion of 90% of RS. Anyway, no company can be perfect.

 

 

 

Anyway, I tried to focus this rant more about people like deloriagod, who refuse to see the nice things that are still left.

[Alg]

I think the main thing to remember is that they're a Company. Those tend to want to make money. Setting Jagex apart from others as 'money-hungry' makes about as much sense as saying Nintendo is special in that it is 'money-hungry'

 

 

 

Really though, the game is still playable. 6-7 months after, there's still a large player-base. It isn't what it was, but it isn't completely ruined.

 

There are things that they could have made better, Bh is one of them.

[The Observer]

Well, all of you sohuldn't be saying Jagex is 'money hungry'. What will prove that Jagex isn't money hungry? Giving you all $100 each? Seriously people...

 

 

 

The reason why the Wilderness was removed because of the large amount of fraudulant charges made with stolen credit cards. If I went around and accepted stolen credit cards, would I not get in trouble?

[Omali]

Well actually, there is one part I don't agree on, I think Jagex is money obssessed. Think about it, they had to remove the wild so they won't have to shut down rs, and if rs is shot down, they don't make any money.

 

 

 

Yea, god forbid Andrew attempt to pursue a company he built from the ground up, stopping it from being shut down and facing even more charges from banks after the matter.

 

 

 

Idiotic rambling > Common Sense :thumbsup:

[sycosis5]

100% agreed, people need to look at the good aspects of a game too.

[Seraphyna]

I agree 95%. I personally hate the trade limit...but I can live with it. People act like PC and PKing were/are the entire game. People need to realize that the game is so much more. PC was never meant to replace normal training, the wild was the source of many a scam/lure and RS is better off without it (though I do hate revenants with a passion). The whiners need to wake up and see the good things in RS, not just the "bad". Runescape is far from ruined.

[fenrir321]

Contrary to what most people think, The Man isn't out to get us.

 

The official loss of players is 60k, though it is unknown what the ratio of legit players to RWT accounts was. Also, Jagex reported a profit first day because now that the updates were implemented, RWT dropped drastically, therefore no reason to steal credit card numbers. No stolen credit card numbers means less money to pay back to bank. To all of those unappreciative of almost no RWT, think of it like this:

 

Jagex is a multi million, maybe BILLION, dollar industry. If paying back money forced them to act this way, then think about how much money they were paying back. RWT is a serious issue. The only things that probably stop countries from acting is because it allows "jobs" for the citizens and/or the government is corrupt/apathetic.

 

Why the hell would Andrew Gower (sp? :oops: ) purposefully [cabbage] up the game? He and the rest of the mods said that the game is very dear to them. If they lied, you can quote them and take them to court for a ridiculous reason for a game that you should most likely NOT be playing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, god forbid Andrew attempt to pursue a company he built from the ground up, stopping it from being shut down and facing even more charges from banks after the matter.

 

 

 

Idiotic rambling > Common Sense :thumbsup:

 

+10 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Also, for those who think Jagex could have done this differently, feel free to send in suggestions. i'm sure Mr. Gower would LOVE you forever and become your eternal servant if you found a way not only to make bh = old wildy, but a plan that would have been better than theirs.

 

 

 

SERIOUSLY, how can you tell the difference between a stolen credit card number and a regular one? Don't say, "Looking at purchase records." That's against customer rights for privacy. You can't tell the difference. Jagex even stated that that was one of their plans, but why didn't they do it? About a year or so ago, in Tenn. there was a law passed that said any restaurants which allow smoking must be 21+. One of my favorite places (good onion rings ftw \ ), had to switch to only 21+. Why? Because the majority of their business came from smokers. Same concept. Obviously, the vast majority of Jagex's customers use a credit card (for some unknown reason. I use Checks : ). Removing credit card usage means a deficit most likely. Tell the players to adapt or accept a deficit and possibly go bankrupt? Hmm.........that's a really hard question. They can either destroy the previous game and have it reborn for different players, or just destroy the game. I think they picked the first one.

[deloriagod]

 

I'm sorry you think so, but that's your personal opinion and not the opinion of 90% of RS. Anyway, no company can be perfect.

 

 

 

 

Oh! You have actually ran a poll!? I'd love to see the statistics. [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

Don't make up numbers. It just makes you look ignorant.

 

 

 

100% agreed, people need to look at the good aspects of a game too.

 

 

 

When you take away the best aspects, the good and even decent are hard to look at.

 

 

 

 

Also, for those who think Jagex could have done this differently, feel free to send in suggestions. i'm sure Mr. Gower would LOVE you forever and become your eternal servant if you found a way not only to make bh = old wildy, but a plan that would have been better than theirs.

 

 

 

 

The way they chose to attack this is not going to be as effective as it could be. My parents have run a business for just over 10 years now. I know how credit cards and fraud work. Hell, I know how to commit credit card fraud. There is a much better way they could have stopped credit card fraud BUT membership would no longer have been instant and it would actually require them to do some work besides what they do for the game. I'm also not going to explain this because I know the age and mentality of the majority of people who browse this forum. I have, however, put it out there on the official forums and I doubt Jagex took a second glance at it beacuse they seem set in their ways.

 

 

 

 

SERIOUSLY, how can you tell the difference between a stolen credit card number and a regular one?

 

 

 

It's extremely simple. But again, I'm not going to explain the process due to the conditions I stated before.

[DanDuke]

Deloriagod, instead of whining and complaining here about how Jagex is so horrible, why don't YOU run the goddamn company. From what you say, you could probably do a better job than them. Also, if you hate Runescape so much, why even be here? It just makes you look like an idiot.

[Fairness]

He doesn't run the goddamn company because the Gowers run it, smartie. What kind of question is that? And everyone has a right to post here, whether or not he likes this piece of crap. You don't have a simple good response other than, basically, "get out" - why bother posting here then?

[DanDuke]

He doesn't run the goddamn company because the Gowers run it, smartie. What kind of question is that? And everyone has a right to post here, whether or not he likes this piece of crap. You don't have a simple good response other than, basically, "get out" - why bother posting here then?

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but he's the one acting like a smartie : . What? the Gowers run Jagex? As if I didn't know -.- . If you must know, I was being sarcastic, but apparently you weren't able to figure that out. :lol: . If he has a better solution to end RWT, why doesn't he put it forward instead of pretending to know something he doesn't?

[fenrir321]

 

 

 

I'm also not going to explain this because I know the age and mentality of the majority of people who browse this forum. I have, however, put it out there on the official forums and I doubt Jagex took a second glance at it beacuse they seem set in their ways.

 

Just a heads up: in a logical argument saying that you know something but won't say it is just as good as saying "I don't know".

 

They probably don't want to change again and lose another 60k more members, possibly more. And based on what you said in context of the sentence, I guess that a good way to avoid credit card fraud is to not use a credit card, ie use checks in the mail. They don't give instant membership yet prevent credit card fraud. If that wasn't what you are stating, please state it. I'm not being sarcastic or flaming you. I'd really love to know as many ways as possible to find credit card fraud and not fall for it/not get sucked into it by accident. Also, don't stereotype this forum. It is very inflamatory to stereotype, and also, if you persist, this forum has a better reputation than the RSOF.

 

 

 

^^^To the two posts with swearing in them above me:^^^

 

Could you edit out the [Guthix][Cabbage] in your posts? It's very offensive to me. I don't give a damn if you say "damn", but make it so it's just "damn."

[RSBDavid]

1. Runescape was not 100% a pking MMO, otherwise it would be called "PKscape" I do notice Pking was a big part of the game.

 

 

 

2. Runescape is a great MMO because of it's constant changing. I am glad they removed PKing. Also, don't tell me I wanted PKing removed because I suck at it. I have a good pking account I used to use but it got boring after the first 100 kills. I am thinking about trying BH on my lvl 54 pker soon.

 

 

 

3. I am not a fanboy. I play rs in my free time. Maybe 1-2 hours every 3 days now.

 

 

 

4. A lot of us complained about Macro's , so they listened and removed the reason to macro, thus adding the trade limit and removing edge. That being said, a lot of people still use auto fighting or auto anything macro's on their main accounts or pures.

 

 

 

 

 

My little advice is to give Jagex advice instead of flaming them. They really do listen to the players. They ignore bomb threats, flaming, and riots.

[DanDuke]

bballer brings up a good point. We kept complaining about macros so they removed them, but in a way none of us were expecting.

[fenrir321]

bballer brings up a good point. We kept complaining about macros so they removed them, but in a way none of us were expecting.

 

Exactly. There's a saying that obviously most people don't get:

 

"Be careful what you wish for, you just might get. And not in the way you may want..."

 

I might have added the second part :-w , but it still proves my point

[Nabbagad]

My comments in blue.

 

 

 

I 100% disagree with your rant.

 

 

 

1. From what I've been told, RWT + trade limits were put into effect due to Jagex getting far too many fraudulent credit card charges. They failed epically by not taking care of this earlier on and in a much more effective way than they are currently doing. I won't go into details about it but I'm willing to bet they've barely reduced the amount of fraudulent charges. They also won't give me any details as to the amount of fradulent charges before these updates and after. Many players on the official forums say "they don't have to" but I'd be willing to bet it's because they failed and they're not willing to admit it after such huge updates.

 

Not taken care of the things earlier? So removing the wilderness 2 months earlier would have changed anything??? How could they do a more effective way?

 

 

 

Also, I personally miss bots keeping the prices of resources under control. Now if I want to level a skill, it's going to cost me money instead of helping me make money.

 

True, I miss chopping logs ten times slower because of the 100s of bots...

 

But even though raw materials have risen, its for the best. I mean, people complain that RuneScape is too much of a kid game and too easy, yet they complain when something becomes harder... :roll:

 

 

2. They are obsessed with money. They could charge $15 a month like most other games and get a small amount of players due to the quality of the game. But they only charge $5. Most parents are willing to shell out $5 a month to keep their kid out of trouble. $15 is less likely and then they would be competing with games like WoW, EQII, and L2.

 

They are obsessed with money yet they charge 3 times less then WoW and other MMOs, ok...

 

 

 

3. BH sucks. It's not a replacement for wilderness, it's junk. Summoning is a money drain, slayer helm is ok, and the new graphics make the game come up to par with early Gamecube graphics. Nothing spectacular to make up for all that we lost.

 

While BH may not be as good as the original Wilderness, it still is a replacement. Summoning is a money drain, well whats bad about that? So is construction, RuneScape needs money drains to prevent the economy filling with with money. The Slayer helm is more then ok, I think its excellent. And graphics that are up to par with a gamecube game for an online browser game is quite amazing!