Item Lending = RWT

[green9090]

After all the work Jagex has gone through to prevent RWT, I am appalled that they would allow such an obvious issue to slip through their awareness. Imagine this scenario:

 

 

 

"Quick easy Godsword loans! $2/hour for Saradomin and Armadyl, $1/hour for Bandos and Zamorak! Buy a whole day and get $5 off!"

 

 

 

Now, why would this work? Well, when you think about it, loaning an item is called a SERVICE. Goods and SERVICES are sold for money. With item lending, Jagex has effectively made it possible to give away an in-game service for no cost, which means that RWTers can EASILY, TRIVIALLY exploit it as a gaping loophole. Soon, mark my words, we will see bots returning to the game, buying big-ticket items and loaning them for real cash.

 

 

 

How to solve this? Well, the first part of the fix was introduced today. The ability to trade item lends as an item is a good first step- now they need to go on the GE. That's right, ITEM LOANS NEED A GE VALUE. The nature of item lending makes this fantastically easy to implement- you put your Godsword up on the GE for loan for X number of hours, and somebody with an offer up to borrow that Godsword for the same number of hours for the same or higher amount gets it for that amount of time. You get the Godsword back at the end of the loan period.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, "until either party logs out" loans would either need to be shortened drastically or removed. A five minute loan with a fifteen minute cooldown period would be difficult to exploit for RWT, and would serve the purpose of allowing a friend to try out an item without buying one. Longer loans, however, would only allow RWT to easily exploit it by repeatedly loaning and taking back the item.

 

 

 

You can protest all you want, and say that you like being able to help out friends, but this needs to go away for the same reason free trade did. Item lending leaves the door wide open for RWT.

 

 

 

This thread is on the RSOF under the quickfind code 15-16-481-57316510. I'm hoping to get the attention of a Jagex moderator.

[mario_sunny]

Well, RWT was still alive before item lending. It was possible (and still is, unfortunately)to find an empty corner in bounty hunter where two players can kill eachother uninterrupted and transfer valuables. It's risky though.

 

 

 

That's a very good suggestion. I was trying to figure out a way to stop RWT lending like that too, but I couldn't think of any way it would work. Your grand exchange idea is genius. I'll definitely hop on over to your RSOF thread and support it as well.

[green9090]

That's a very good suggestion. I was trying to figure out a way to stop RWT lending like that too, but I couldn't think of any way it would work. Your grand exchange idea is genius. I'll definitely hop on over to your RSOF thread and support it as well.

 

Yeah, I've been thinking since item lending was released about how to fix it, because I knew Jagex is too pig-headed to ever take back an update. It wasn't until today that the perfect solution presented itself.

 

 

 

Thank you for your support!

[highlanders]

If you pay 2$, instead of 30k in-game, you basically just RWT bought 30k. You saved yourself 30k geepees off of your bank account, w00t. That's like 15k for 1 dollar too, LoL. It's like a tiny scale RWT, that's within the trade limit, and that is destined to have tif topics about it and waste lots of people's 5 minutes'.

[green9090]

If you pay 2$, instead of 30k in-game, you basically just RWT bought 30k. You saved yourself 30k geepees off of your bank account, w00t. That's like 15k for 1 dollar too, LoL. It's like a tiny scale RWT, that's within the trade limit, and that is destined to have tif topics about it and waste lots of people's 5 minutes'.

 

Now think about people buying a day for $20. Big market to get to walk around looking cool with your shiny AGS...

[highlanders]

Who the hell would pay 20$ to have an AGS only for a day? That's 4 months of membership. I doubt people even reallly really desperate for attention would do this. Not to mention most of RS players don't even have a credit card to begin with, and have to ask mommy around for purchases. You could get it for cheap, even for free in-game, I see no point.

[green9090]

If there was a gold buying market, there will be an item lending market.

[highlanders]

If the sky is blue, then sheeps with wings will fly through it.

[green9090]

If I can draw a flawed comparison between a valid argument and ridiculous one, I will look smart.

[highlanders]

You typed a random premise with no arguments to base it. Everyone could say just about everything.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I think I'll play Devils' Advocate here and side with highlanders. Your argument has no premise; it's honestly like inferring that we can still RWT with our (max 30K) trade limit. Besides, you're seriously underplaying the true supply of Godswords; it isn't like RWT companies have thousands of these things. Oh, and if you think they do, you'd better be ready to prove it. I don't buy into inferences and Google pages.

[Zierro]

Sorry, I only think it would work in theory. In reality, lots of people aren't going to RWT this way. What motive do they have? Many people are still fine with lending for 30k, so why would they have a reason to risk getting banned just to save a few GP?

[green9090]

I think I'll play Devils' Advocate here and side with highlanders. Your argument has no premise; it's honestly like inferring that we can still RWT with our (max 30K) trade limit. Besides, you're seriously underplaying the true supply of Godswords; it isn't like RWT companies have thousands of these things. Oh, and if you think they do, you'd better be ready to prove it. I don't buy into inferences and Google pages.

 

There are many lendable items with a much larger supply, Godswords are just an example. Dragon axes, Bandos armor, fury amulets... All of these things could be lent for cash.

 

 

 

Excuse me for making a wild assumption here, but I believe 24 hours of owning a party hat or AGS is worth slightly more than 30k.

 

 

 

The point here isn't even really if it's going to become widespread right away. The issue is that RWT is now possible. Take it how you will, I could offer to provide a Runescape service to somebody in return for a real life benefit. Preventing that was what the Dec. 10 updates were all about, and we may as well shut the loophole. I'm not seeing a good argument for leaving it open- it's just a problem waiting to happen.

 

 

 

Sorry, I only think it would work in theory. In reality, lots of people aren't going to RWT this way. What motive do they have? People are fine with lending for 30k, so why would they have a reason to risk getting banned just to save a few GP?

 

People are not fine with lending for 30k, if you had seen any lending going on you would know that people have been junk trading 200k+ for a couple hours of Godsword usage, which is only bound to become more common now that there's no trust trade involved.

[highlanders]

I'm not seeing a good argument for leaving it open- it's just a problem waiting to happen.

 

Your whole thread is based on the assumption that it would be a big problem. In the wild chance that it does happen, large-scale, how is it a problem? If some people are lending around their god swords and some idiots are paying for it, it doesn't affect other players in any way. It's just like a service, but instead of paying geepees, you pay real money. The rest of the world is unaffected.

[Master_Smither]

It's a possibility but I'm gonna stick with people will use their 1M cash in game rather than their $5 irl for 24 hours of an Armadyl Godsword which imo is terrible SGS ftw. But I am supporting your thread none the less because we should ve prepared for it because eventually some sad rich nerd irl willdo it or someone will start a business of it.

[green9090]

I'm not seeing a good argument for leaving it open- it's just a problem waiting to happen.

 

Your whole thread is based on the assumption that it would be a big problem. In the wild chance that it does happen, large-scale, how is it a problem? If some people are lending around their god swords and some idiots are paying for it, it doesn't affect other players in any way. It's just like a service, but instead of paying geepees, you pay real money. The rest of the world is unaffected.

 

My thread is not based on the fact that it would be, but on the possibility that it might be.

 

 

 

If you can't see the problem in making RS back into a way for Chinese sweatshops to churn out money, then I really don't know what to say to you.

 

 

 

This would also help those trying to sell item loans in game. The loan being valued 0 is ridiculous; services have a value, just like items, and the game needs to recognize this. Or are you arguing that item loans truly are worthless?

[highlanders]

I love you ignore my question(How would it be a problem?) and go on about how I'm an evil person who promotes gold farmers in sweatshops. :lol:

 

 

 

This would also help those trying to sell item loans in game. The loan being valued 0 is ridiculous; services have a value, just like items, and the game needs to recognize this. Or are you arguing that item loans truly are worthless?

 

 

 

You're contradicting yourself. According to this sentence's logic, for them to loan items for money is fine and dandy, after all item loans have worth! :lol:

[green9090]

I love you ignore my question(How would it be a problem?) and go on about how I'm an evil person who promotes gold farmers in sweatshops. :lol:

 

 

 

Okay, I will spell it out for you.

 

Bringing back ways for autoers to make real money is bad.

 

Read the dev diaries on the Dec. 10 updates if you want more info.

 

 

 

This would also help those trying to sell item loans in game. The loan being valued 0 is ridiculous; services have a value, just like items, and the game needs to recognize this. Or are you arguing that item loans truly are worthless?

 

 

 

You're contradicting yourself. According to this sentence's logic, for them to loan items for money is fine and dandy, after all item loans have worth! :lol:

 

Excuse me? Yes, loaning items for RUNESCAPE money is fine. because an item loan has value. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

[muggiwhplar]

Honestly, does it really matter anymore?

[green9090]

Honestly, does it really matter anymore?

 

An excellent question. I will respond with equal eloquence- yes.

[highlanders]

Bringing back ways for autoers to make real money is bad.

 

You make up a new one every time, incredible. First off, autoers? Autoers are gone for good now, how are they relevant in this at all?

 

 

 

Excuse me? Yes, loaning items for RUNESCAPE money is fine. because an item loan has value. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

 

I was pointing out how your logic is flawed. If we go back before you went off subject, I clearly asked you how it is a problem, as it doesn't affect other players, and doesn't put the economy out of whack. Could be called "Off the books".

[green9090]

Bringing back ways for autoers to make real money is bad.

 

You make up a new one every time, incredible. First off, autoers? Autoers are gone for good now, how are they relevant in this at all?

 

 

 

Excuse me? Yes, loaning items for RUNESCAPE money is fine. because an item loan has value. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

 

I was pointing out how your logic is flawed. If we go back before you went off subject, I clearly asked you how it is a problem, as it doesn't affect other players, and doesn't put the economy out of whack. Could be called "Off the books".

 

It's starting to become pretty obvious that you don't have anything of use to say, and you've stopped making sense. I've said what I'm going to say to your arguments, now excuse me if I don't waste any more time on your nonsense.

[highlanders]

I'm the one trying to have a rational discussion here. But sure, run away from your own thread if that's what you like.

 

 

 

Here's a summed up of the arguments against your point of view.

 

 

 

-No insensitive to use it

 

-Overly expensive

 

-Risk of getting banned

 

 

 

And even if it's being used, where is the problem?

 

-Idiots lose their money

 

-Some company goes into leaps of trouble for a couple of dollars

 

-Nobody else is affected: some items are being moved around, but that is all

 

 

 

Dig up a hole and bury your thread in it.

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes it would be some sort of small-scale RWT. But the thing you cant seem to get your head wrapped around is the fact that even if it happens, it hurts no one. Let me break it down for you:

 

 

 

1) Idiot pays a couple of dollars irl

 

2) In-game, idiot gets item for no geepee fee

 

 

 

How does it affect anyone at all? In the game, all that has happened is somebody got loaned an item for free. Thats all, nobody is suffering from it, except the idiot that wasted his money. That's what it means by "items are moving around, but that is all".

[Aussietroopa]

How stupid is this topic? Chances of this happening large scale? It aint gunna happen, people will be banned for Rwting, and last I looked, it was nearly impossible for a low level to get a Godsword to lend it out. Meaning the only way the people Rwting to the players to actually get a Godsword to lend will be at LEAST 90-100 combat. Which means that when they get banned for Rwting, they just lost how many hours for a measly $5? Your logic is flawed, Rwt'ers don't have Godswords on level 3's, the way it used to work was they'd buy rsgp for a lower price then they sold it. How is a level 3 going to get a Godsword without putting in tonnes of hours? They cant. [End Thread and Stupid Arguement]

[Mercifull]

You can only loan one item at a time. The amount of work required to do this on a large scale just isnt worth it. The RWTers will stick to powerlevelling peoples characters.