Forum Points

[Sam]

I've seen this feature implemented on alot of other forums. It can be used to purchase things like custom titles and small transactions like getting signatures made for you or winning a contest etc..

 

 

 

It'd be cool to see this feature implemented - just ask people on other forums who use this system and they'll tell you it's great - it can help show your appreciation for something aswell.

[InkofDeath]

Get certain amount of points...spend them...buy item X...seems interesting.

 

 

 

I'm open for it as long as it doesn't crowd, or look awful in the daily usage of the boards.

 

 

 

How would you get points? By posting? By people rating, which would give points? Mods+ hand out points?

 

 

 

How can you spend them? How much can you spend? How much can you buy? Can you have multiple titles/items?

 

 

 

Is this application even compatible with phpbb3?

 

 

 

Probably more questions so I'd suggest you link to an example, and then a link to the site of the creator of the program.

[dsavi]

Unless you've seen that on a PHPBB3 forum, it would have to be coded from scratch.

 

And yeah, we'd need to know some more stuff about it first.

[Kill_Life]

This has been suggested before but was decided against (can't find the link).

[Jimmyw3000]

This has been suggested before but was decided against (can't find the link).

 

 

 

I think it got deleted in the rollback. I think it was something along the lines of a thumbs up/down system, but was decided against, as mods can only do so much, and when opened to all the tifers, it could cause a lot of abuse.

[InkofDeath]

This has been suggested before but was decided against (can't find the link).

 

This isn't like the rating system, this is points to buy certain member titles, or say even Tip.It Avatars...etc.

 

 

 

Though there was one topic back in say feb to april, that was discussing a war-rating thing, where people could attack each other and such.

 

 

 

Even then this is like forum achievements, and once you achieve an achievement or whatever, you get points, which you can spend.

 

 

 

I really like this idea if that is what it is. As I'd be on the forums a heck of a lot more.

 

 

 

Ways to obtain points:

 

Forum Achievements.

 

Posting (say 2 points per post?).

 

Mods+ Can Hand Out Say 50 Points per day...15 max per person.

 

 

 

?

[Kill_Life]

Personally I'm against it.

 

 

 

Doesn't really lead to anything but more spam imo.

 

 

 

Custom ranks can't be bought, else they wouldn't really be special anymore.

 

If you want a signature or something, you can request them for free in the Art Bazaar.

 

 

 

Posting (say 2 points per post?)

 

 

 

There is the post count, and this would just lead to more spam so people can get some points.

 

 

 

Mods+ Can Hand Out Say 50 Points per day...15 max per person.

 

 

 

Mods have something else to do then giving people points. And then they'll get bothered all the time aswell to give the points to someone. And there will be rants and jealousy: Why did he get points and I didn't?

 

 

 

As for 'Attacking eachother': This is a forum, not a game. If you want to attack people, you can play ArenaScape which can be found on the main page of Tip.It.

[Sam]

Thanks guys/girls for the feedback. I didn't consider that you would have to code it into PHBB3. I didn't consider the spam either. Maybe we could rally some suggestions regarding these issues?

 

 

 

And for custom ranks, they would't be at all cheap. At least 5000 points I would say.

 

 

 

I've seen a points system implemented on a PHPBB forum - check out Signaturebar Forums. Though I think that is PHPBB 2, but I can't tell.

[Dragontotem]

 

Posting (say 2 points per post?)

 

 

 

There is the post count, and this would just lead to more spam so people can get some points.

 

 

 

 

 

 

OR if a post is good, they would perhaps deserve points. Not for each post lol.

 

Although.. That would remind me of RSOF.. Does wannabe's ring any bells to anyone?

 

 

 

yeah, sorry, im kinda against it too :P

[The Observer]

Maybe instead a rating system could be handed out in people's account notes. Only moderators can give this to people.

[Rainy_Day]

I don't see a Mod-user system as bad (When a moderator gives someone a rating for being a good poster/bad for being a bad poster), just so long as those 'ratings' are not be used in any bad way (bragging purposes, people bugging moderators for them and so on).

 

 

 

The forum points system of purchasing custom ranks/signatures isn't a great idea IMO, and as Kill_Life said was decided against. There isn't an actual use for it, and only encourages people to spam more.

[dsavi]

As someone else mentioned, this is not the idea that I suggested. And yes, it was deleted in the rollback.

 

 

 

I've seen a points system implemented on a PHPBB forum - check out Signaturebar Forums. Though I think that is PHPBB 2, but I can't tell.

 

That's PHPBB2 from what I can tell, the stupid people removed the Copyright PHPBB group thing at the bottom of the page, I'm not exactly in agreement with that idea.

 

 

 

I don't know really, we would have to decide on the basic details a bit more before I could give a clear answer.

[InkofDeath]

Custom ranks can't be bought, else they wouldn't really be special anymore.

 

The custom ranks wouldn't be custom as they would be a pre-named rank in which you could purchase. I'm also saying that with the variety of items able to buy, by the time you hit 2000 posts you'll have probably only bought around two or so items. I wasn't saying to keep prices low, prices should be quite high, in a way this would reward a lot of the people with 6k+ posts. So basically a rank would be say Animal Incinerator, people could buy this rank, and perhaps it would only last for say 3-5 months...? A time out on items would also be a good thing to add.

 

 

 

I really don't think the mods+ would get harassed over handing out points, and if they did there's two easy solutions (warn; suspend).

 

 

 

If you want a signature or something, you can request them for free in the Art Bazaar.

 

True, or you could purchase some good quality sig in the 'shop' that is unique enough to have it in the shop/worth buying.

 

 

 

I wasn't saying I was with this, I'm just giving suggestions so it might work out.

[Errdoth]

Going on with "rating" systems, I've always been in favor to a system like this:

 

 

 

 

Little buttons in post to give various ratings. (Ratings in that image are: Thanks, Informative, Agree, Funny, Helpful)

 

 

 

 

All of the ratings given for a particular post are shown underneath that post

 

 

 

 

All ratings given to a particular user are shown in their profile.

 

 

 

There aren't any negative ratings, so people won't go emo because of it, and the ratings do absolutely nothing other than sit at the bottom of your post and make you look cool :P

[dsavi]

I agree except for the one that says "Agree". That wouldn't exactly be a good idea, IMO.

[The Observer]

Going on with "rating" systems, I've always been in favor to a system like this:

 

 

 

 

Little buttons in post to give various ratings. (Ratings in that image are: Thanks, Informative, Agree, Funny, Helpful)

 

 

 

 

All of the ratings given for a particular post are shown underneath that post

 

 

 

 

All ratings given to a particular user are shown in their profile.

 

 

 

There aren't any negative ratings, so people won't go emo because of it, and the ratings do absolutely nothing other than sit at the bottom of your post and make you look cool :P

 

 

 

However, someone could just grab a bunch of their friends and give them positive ratings all the time. The only way something like this cannot be abused (in which I stated in my other post), is if only staff members can give this out. (Not just moderators so that if someone submits stuff to the crew a lot, they can get some rating from them.)

[Errdoth]

 

However, someone could just grab a bunch of their friends and give them positive ratings all the time. The only way something like this cannot be abused (in which I stated in my other post), is if only staff members can give this out. (Not just moderators so that if someone submits stuff to the crew a lot, they can get some rating from them.)

 

But here's the thing: The ratings do _nothing_ There's no real motivation for people to go around doing that, and if they do, it's not like it makes a difference..

[InkofDeath]

However, someone could just grab a bunch of their friends and give them positive ratings all the time. The only way something like this cannot be abused (in which I stated in my other post), is if only staff members can give this out. (Not just moderators so that if someone submits stuff to the crew a lot, they can get some rating from them.)

 

Common argument but really, whose going to do that for every single post? As well, if people see there's a large amount of 'agrees' on a post about America Dying, it's quite obvious what has happened.

 

 

 

To be honest not doing something because a small minority of 'the suggestion' may be abused for a short time isn't in the best interest in users, and it would become non-existent except for in a few cases.

 

 

 

As well since the ratings has no effect at all on the user, or other users, there's no harm going to come from it. There won't be an elitist group for getting more ratings in the majority of their posts, since everyone can ignore them. Another thing most users will know that the rating isn't there to make people better than others, but to individually rate each post. Once the community learns the rules and ways to act around the rating system, similar to posting etiquette, the scary issues we predict won't happen. And when that happens a 'Disagree' option wouldn't be a bad idea...

 

 

 

How Errdoth stated it, it really sounded like it wasn't going to cause any harm, and it would be a fun thing to have.

[The Observer]

 

However, someone could just grab a bunch of their friends and give them positive ratings all the time. The only way something like this cannot be abused (in which I stated in my other post), is if only staff members can give this out. (Not just moderators so that if someone submits stuff to the crew a lot, they can get some rating from them.)

 

But here's the thing: The ratings do _nothing_ There's no real motivation for people to go around doing that, and if they do, it's not like it makes a difference..

 

 

 

Yes, but people will do it for the "reputation". Once they have a lot of it, they will think that other people will respect them more.

 

 

 

However, what I'm thinking of is a rating system (similar to Zybez's but slightly different) where mods, admins and crewbies can give rating to a user and it will be seen in their profile. Why give crewbies the ability to? If someone submits something to the website, they can give them credit in their account notes for it. Maybe to prevent "elitism" or whatever, it can only be seen by the user and staff. The good thing about this is that this can be for anything, rather than a fixed set of ratings.

[Dragontotem]

 

However, someone could just grab a bunch of their friends and give them positive ratings all the time. The only way something like this cannot be abused (in which I stated in my other post), is if only staff members can give this out. (Not just moderators so that if someone submits stuff to the crew a lot, they can get some rating from them.)

 

But here's the thing: The ratings do _nothing_ There's no real motivation for people to go around doing that, and if they do, it's not like it makes a difference..

 

 

 

Yes, but people will do it for the "reputation". Once they have a lot of it, they will think that other people will respect them more.

 

 

 

 

This is when post count steps in.

 

 

 

IMO the rating system would act as new post count, some people think the higher post count i have, the more friends i'll have.

 

Would the rating system be the same? I think so, yes.

 

I also can imagine how some people would bash other players with 'LULZ UR RATIN IS LYK LAME LOL!!! NO1 BELIIVS JUU!!', which isn't necessary, nor wanted.

[stevepole]

A point system would increase spam posts dramatically, which would in end weaken the community and ruin many topics that require a meaningful discussions.

[InkofDeath]

IMO the rating system would act as new post count, some people think the higher post count i have, the more friends i'll have.

 

Would the rating system be the same? I think so, yes.

 

I also can imagine how some people would bash other players with 'LULZ UR RATIN IS LYK LAME LOL!!! NO1 BELIIVS JUU!!', which isn't necessary, nor wanted.

 

Well besides like 4-5 users in Off-Topic (and even then it wasn't even this bad), I have not seen anyone write, or say that in a serious manner. Unless you've seen that, I think the majority are mature enough to not do that, and respect the system. It's a far out example. And to be honest in topics where the first 10 people have disagreed with the OP , there was still 20+ more who agreed with him after those 10 people. And if you're relating it to post count, not many are going to think about the post count with the opinion presented. Sure it'll be neat to see how the community likes it, but not by how you like it.

 

 

 

Also the rating system isn't a global thing. It's per post. The amount of ratings you get do not add up publicly in your profile, or shown. So unless someone is going through each of that users post to add up the overall ratings, it's not going to be an issue.

 

 

 

As well since there is no negative ratings as suggested by Errdoth, how would anyone insult someone over the topic? Even with a 'Disagree' option, the community is mature enough to not do that. And if it does happen? It would be counted as spam/flame and the post removed, and appropriate action taken on the user.

 

 

 

Nothing that couldn't be controlled would exist from this system.

 

 

 

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The spam posting probably would increase with the other system suggested, the point one. But with the one Errdoth suggested, it's doubtful...

[Kill_Life]

What Errdoth suggested is about popularity aswell.

 

People will give friends a good rating, no matter how bad it is.

 

And people they don't like may make the best post this forum has ever seen, they won't give him/her a good rating.

[Dragontotem]

Well, blogscape is about popularity aswell in my opinion.

 

If people dont know you, no one posts in your blog :P

 

 

 

Off topic, i know and im sorry bout it :P

[InkofDeath]

What Errdoth suggested is about popularity aswell.

 

People will give friends a good rating, no matter how bad it is.

 

And people they don't like may make the best post this forum has ever seen, they won't give him/her a good rating.

 

The forums already have popularity issues within every single topic.

 

 

 

Users will probably agree, or not bother disagreeing openly with a friends post.

 

 

 

A user who makes the best post in the world is still going to go ignored even if they are correct, and have the best opinions. Examples? DVD, Abyssal, or even when Bubsa was around this did happen on occasion.

 

 

 

So really new issues aren't going to arise, the same attitude and personality of the community is still going to be transferred over to the rating system.

 

 

 

"They won't give him/her a good rating."

 

 

 

So let's not have negative ratings, would solve every problem except for mass rating by friends (which would be obvious anyways, and rules can be enforced if this is caught/suspected).

 

 

 

Even with negative ratings, is one person going to make such an impact on the user where 20 others 'agreed' with the post? Unless 50 users come together and then just go all out abusing the system nothing is going to happen that can't be controlled. Put a tracking system on the ratings, where the IP's and username are stored per rating. Would stop a lot of people from abusing it as it now becomes mod+ available information. If this was done, negative ratings or a simple Disagree can be done.

 

 

 

Also it's not about popularity, it's about seeing straight facts without having to read. It's seeing that 40 people agreed, and 5 people disagreed with the topic. Now you don't need to read the topic to see the community's feel towards the topic. I read tons of topics I'm not interested in, so I don't read them. I'd love to know though what the community thought of such topics but I can't be bothered to read such a 'boring' or 'annoying' topic. Perfect example is the religion topics, like 'The Bible', or 'Is God Real?', 30 pages of debate, or one post that would have the communities opinion already in them via a rating system. Convenience.

 

 

 

Though one thing, not having a disagree rating to protect the user from negative emotions is kind of pathetic. If you aren't strong enough to withstand 4-7 negative ratings, why are they even on the internet?