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sorry for picking apart what you said, its just a matter of opinion really anyway(kinda)..

 

 

 

Wow, just wow :shock: .

 

 

 

I support animal rights in the sense that no one should just mutilate a dog's body, but this is just going too far...

 

Well, using PETA's logic:

 

 

 

 

We should stop eating ice cream because we forcibly make a cow do what they were literally designed to do, and kill and eat them because that's what they were also designed to become.

 

 

 

 

cows were NOT originally designed to produce milk everyday AT ALL, cows were originally like us and still our its just we're slowly manipulating the entire species so that we can get vast ammounts of milk. cows are forcibly inpregnated every 12 months to make them produce milk, then fed unnatural food, kept in cramped conditions etc.. its is NOT natural in the slightest. its just sick how humans have manipulated animals that have feelings and thoughts to become human milk producers..

 

 

 

 

Humans are beyond animals in many ways. Cows cannot solve math problems, much less actually have a conscience. This really is just the circle of life. Saying it is wrong to kill an animal means all animal to animal killing is morally wrong.

 

 

 

depends how you hudge a conscience. we can't communicate with animals, they CAN communicate with each other. no matter how many tests we do you can't tell how an animal feels(fully) without comunicating with it. we know that elephants get screwed over mentaly from seeing other elephants die. i beleive that animals do have a conscience, obviously a lot less advanced thn ours, but they can still think and feel in my opinion. humans didnt just evolve suddenly into really inteligent concious beings with consciences, obviously animals are going to have signs of this, it's just really really arrogant to think that jjust because we're insanely intelligent that animals cant feel sadness or pain or whatever..

 

 

 

at the end of the day we're still animals and we should never forget that, they day we do ( i think its already happening) is thw day of our downfall.

 

 

 

Yet, without said killing, the ecosystem would die, and all living things would die a horrible and painful starvation.

 

 

 

 

it isn't the fact that animals are killed more the way that they're bred to be killed and the fact that the conditions that they are bred in are becoming more and more discusting. look at some pictures of battery farms, which is where a large proportion of our meat comes from.

 

 

 

I wonder how they justify eating plants...

 

 

 

plants cannot move very far, mass farming of plants isn't excactly going to give it a terrible quality of life as that's how plants grow(kinda) and i very much doubt that plants can think.. so there isn't really anything wrong with producing and killing a plant?

 

 

 

Like I said above, I do support animal rights in that needlessly killing animals (hunting game for sport) is something that should not happen because mass killing could damage the ecosystem and eventually us. I do not believe that we should put some...how do I put this? Ugh, never mind, too awkward :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

at the end of the day we're still animals and we should never forget that, they day we do ( i think its already happening) is thw day of our downfall.

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cows were NOT originally designed to produce milk everyday AT ALL, cows were originally like us and still our its just we're slowly manipulating the entire species so that we can get vast ammounts of milk. cows are forcibly inpregnated every 12 months to make them produce milk, then fed unnatural food, kept in cramped conditions etc.. its is NOT natural in the slightest. its just sick how humans have manipulated animals that have feelings and thoughts to become human milk producers..

 

 

 

Good, now tell me how having humans do the exact same thing is better.

 

 

 

 

 

depends how you hudge a conscience. we can't communicate with animals, they CAN communicate with each other. no matter how many tests we do you can't tell how an animal feels(fully) without comunicating with it. we know that elephants get screwed over mentaly from seeing other elephants die. i beleive that animals do have a conscience, obviously a lot less advanced thn ours, but they can still think and feel in my opinion. humans didnt just evolve suddenly into really inteligent concious beings with consciences, obviously animals are going to have signs of this, it's just really really arrogant to think that jjust because we're insanely intelligent that animals cant feel sadness or pain or whatever..

 

 

 

at the end of the day we're still animals and we should never forget that, they day we do ( i think its already happening) is thw day of our downfall.

 

 

 

 

 

You are confusing feelings with conscience. A conscience is a moral trait in which an organism can differentiate between right and wrong. Elephants can't really differentiate right from wrong because to them, knocking down vast forests just to eat leaves (yes, they don't pick off leaves, they knock the tree down) is just an action. If a human were to cut down the forest without replanting trees, everyone would have a heart attack. Lions hunt. If they had a conscience, then they would not kill that innocent zebra. And if killing another animal is "the circle of life", then why is murder against the law since humans are animals?

 

 

 

 

 

it isn't the fact that animals are killed more the way that they're bred to be killed and the fact that the conditions that they are bred in are becoming more and more discusting. look at some pictures of battery farms, which is where a large proportion of our meat comes from.

 

 

 

I never said that animals are meant to have "horrible" conditions. Cows' udders are meant to be milked. Cows are not meant to live in a dirty environment. But really, milking is survival of the fittest. More milk means more bone density and higher birth rate for the human population. Even if farms were much cleaner, I would guess that a cow would rather like to be milked in exchange for nutritious food (since we drink the milk) than to have its neck broken by a predator or to be attacked by a predator without being given a fatal blow and left to suffer. We shouldn't make animals suffer, but killing is still the survival of the fittest. And before you try to rebuttal my argument with "forcibly impregnating IS suffering" can you really prove that? If the farm was cleaner, then this is what cows get: safe haven. Lots of children. Around similar species. Keeping the gene pool alive.

 

If we didn't breed certain animals specifically for the purpose of eating them, you would have had a point. We do, however - there is no biological need for us to hunt animals in the developed world anymore.

 

There's no biological need for many things in the world, yet we still have them or do them. Doesn't make them unnecessary at all.

 

Unless you're arguing that hunting in this day and age is an absolute necessity for survival, that's a completely redundant point.

 

 

 

Not even pro-hunting campaigners argue that it is a necessity. The closest they come, in general, is that it is necessary in order to "control the countryside".

 

Wha? It isn't a necessity for survival, although it does have a lot of good things about it - particularly population control. White-tail deer, some of the most commonly hunted animals here in the U.S, have exploded in population relatively recently, due to abundance in food and lack of predators. That's a good point, I guess.

 

 

 

But it's ridiculous for both sides for argue over whether or not it's a necessity. Just a fun (and particularly tasty) way to deal with animals' population.