Wouldn't a relaxed cow produce better meat?

 

 

 

I remember watching a show on venison farms before and when they slaughter the deer they always try to do it quickly to cause no stress, as stress makes the meat tougher and adrenaline is released by the deer giving the meat a somewhat acidic taste.

 

 

 

I assume the same goes for other agricultural meats such as cows or pigs.

 

 

 

Wouldn't the meat get tougher from the animal walking around (in a free-range environment) as well though?

 

 

 

Veal is all about soft baby cow that live in an environment like this:

 

 

 

 

*cough*south park*cough*If that's what it takes for my veal dinner to melt in my mouth, so be it. I do think deer meat would be very tough if it is free range :-k

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Wouldn't a relaxed cow produce better meat?

 

 

 

I remember watching a show on venison farms before and when they slaughter the deer they always try to do it quickly to cause no stress, as stress makes the meat tougher and adrenaline is released by the deer giving the meat a somewhat acidic taste.

 

 

 

I assume the same goes for other agricultural meats such as cows or pigs.

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Wouldn't the meat get tougher from the animal walking around (in a free-range environment) as well though?

 

 

 

Veal is all about soft baby cow that live in an environment like this:

 

 

 

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I know what Veal is and how it's made, I don't necessarily condone it but Veal is tasty.

 

 

 

I was asking in a far more general sense (ie. older animals and not just cows). The reason being that I vaguely remember seeing an experiment on TV (Richard & Judy I think) where they gave regularly farmed meat and a free-range option to members of the public. In the experiment, the 'normal' meat came out on top - many people claimed that the free-range was too tough.

if you cook it slowly... you can get the meat to be tender... :thumbsup:

if you cook it slowly... you can get the meat to be tender... :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Psst! She cooks her cats slowly ;)

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Haha, that's a picture of baby cow pens. They have to be kept there in a barn with numerous cows, or else they'll be trampled. While veal does come from them, they aren't kept like that until they're killed :lol:

 

 

 

EDIT: In case you didn't know, they're often separated from their mothers. Which is why they're placed in the pens, because sometimes they just lay down and hang out. My friend's calf in ag class got a broken leg from that.

I know you have a lot of options out there and I'm glad you chose 3rkid Flamebait, please choose me again :D

 

 

 

 

 

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I weren't trying to flame you, bucko. Just pointing out the picture being, well, bad.

I think if PETA wants them to switch. Who would suppy? PETA women, next thing you know PETA is half the size. :thumbsup: Really though if they are pushing for it, and I was the owner of Ben & Jerrys I would PETA "would you like to supply the milk?"

Excellent idea PETA. Let's force-impregnate women, cause them to go through excruciating labor every 9 months, not to mention getting squeezed dry around the clock. While we're at it, let's petition to start slaughtering humans to cause the cows less suffering. I support doing this only to PETA members as an effective way to make them realize that they aren't the most rational number in the calculator.

 

 

 

Cows go through much less suffering on dairy farms than one may think. They're treated quite comfortably, and can walk over to the milking machine whenever they feel they need to be milked. They live a much more luxurious life than almost any other animal in the industry. Pigs are crammed by the dozen into tiny stalls, and are fed just enough to keep them alive; many other animals live this life style too. If you compare dairy cows lives to any other animal, this is unbelievably rediculous.

 

 

 

PETA expects the same thing to happen, but with a more intelligent species? They also need to take into consideration the mass amount of ice cream consumed. People willing to go through hell like this don't come by the bushel.

 

 

 

Who cares, you know they'll do it in Africa, and who cares about them anyway.

Plants make milk too! it's called Silk!

 

 

 

 

*imagines ice cream made from soy*

 

 

 

er... maybe we should let the cows be! they look like they're having fun.. and plants have feelings too! :shame:

Huh, now I'm gonna be trying to milk my trees for the next few days.

Hey, there's an animal-friendly solution, put curds in the ground and grow milk trees! ;)

*whispers* milk from trees is the plant sap! [maple syrup!]

 

 

 

and milk from snakes is the snake venom

*whispers* milk from trees is the plant sap! [maple syrup!]

 

 

 

and milk from snakes is the snake venom

 

when I saw 'milk from snakes' and the emoticon I almost imploded from laughter.

PETA's views on the earth:

 

 

 

Animals > People

Wow, just wow :shock: .

 

 

 

I support animal rights in the sense that no one should just mutilate a dog's body, but this is just going too far...

 

Well, using PETA's logic:

 

We should stop eating ice cream because we forcibly make a cow do what they were literally designed to do, and kill and eat them because that's what they were also designed to become.

 

 

 

Humans are beyond animals in many ways. Cows cannot solve math problems, much less actually have a conscience. This really is just the circle of life. Saying it is wrong to kill an animal means all animal to animal killing is morally wrong. Yet, without said killing, the ecosystem would die, and all living things would die a horrible and painful starvation.

 

 

 

I wonder how they justify eating plants...

 

 

 

Like I said above, I do support animal rights in that needlessly killing animals (hunting game for sport) is something that should not happen because mass killing could damage the ecosystem and eventually us. I do not believe that we should put some...how do I put this? Ugh, never mind, too awkward :oops:

Like I said above, I do support animal rights in that needlessly killing animals (hunting game for sport)

 

 

 

Not trying to flame here, but what's wrong with hunting? Hunted animals are often eaten.

 

 

 

If you meant hunting as in killing elephants just for their ivory or cases like that I agree with you.

Like I said above, I do support animal rights in that needlessly killing animals (hunting game for sport)

 

 

 

Not trying to flame here, but what's wrong with hunting? Hunted animals are often eaten.

 

If we didn't breed certain animals specifically for the purpose of eating them, you would have had a point. We do, however - there is no biological need for us to hunt animals in the developed world anymore.

If you meant hunting as in killing elephants just for their ivory or cases like that I agree with you.

 

That's one case.

 

If you're going to eat the deer, then go ahead, but don't just leave it there or just have killed it for fun.

PETA= really stupid, who would use breast milk besides the children of the mother? :wall: Peta sends you like a trillion veggie stickers, it pisses me off.

If we didn't breed certain animals specifically for the purpose of eating them, you would have had a point. We do, however - there is no biological need for us to hunt animals in the developed world anymore.

 

There's no biological need for many things in the world, yet we still have them or do them. Doesn't make them unnecessary at all.

I personally don't like hunting, but I can see why people do it though. Humans had to hunt for their food in days long gone, so it comes as a survival instinct.

 

 

 

By the way, there are some non-dairy ice cream made (Trader Joe's sells them out here), and it's pretty good. o.O But I'd still like my regular milk please... Next thing you know PETA will propose us to drink human breast milk instead of cows' milk. :wall: I know there are some people who do that (a report a few years ago was on a woman who still breast-fed her children, one of them if I recall correctly being around 9 years old), and I won't try to judge them, but me personally it'd make me feel as though I haven't passed infancy. :| And that being in ice cream won't make me feel any better either. I'll be thinking I'm eating baby food 24/7. o_O'

If we didn't breed certain animals specifically for the purpose of eating them, you would have had a point. We do, however - there is no biological need for us to hunt animals in the developed world anymore.

 

There's no biological need for many things in the world, yet we still have them or do them. Doesn't make them unnecessary at all.

 

Unless you're arguing that hunting in this day and age is an absolute necessity for survival, that's a completely redundant point.

 

 

 

Not even pro-hunting campaigners argue that it is a necessity. The closest they come, in general, is that it is necessary in order to "control the countryside".

I personally don't like hunting, but I can see why people do it though. Humans had to hunt for their food in days long gone, so it comes as a survival instinct.

 

 

 

By the way, there are some non-dairy ice cream made (Trader Joe's sells them out here), and it's pretty good. o.O But I'd still like my regular milk please... Next thing you know PETA will propose us to drink human breast milk instead of cows' milk. :wall: I know there are some people who do that (a report a few years ago was on a woman who still breast-fed her children, one of them if I recall correctly being around 9 years old), and I won't try to judge them, but me personally it'd make me feel as though I haven't passed infancy. :| And that being in ice cream won't make me feel any better either. I'll be thinking I'm eating baby food 24/7. o_O'

 

I remember that program, but I can't recall it's name. The mother believed it was natural to do so, and the children still craved their mother's milk. I agree with you, the reason why we choose cow juice over human milk while it's theoretically possible to obtain the latter is that we would feel like infants.

 

 

 

Should women be capable of producing a bountiful supply of milk, PETA's argument would hold much more ground. But they aren't, so it doesn't.

sorry for picking apart what you said, its just a matter of opinion really anyway(kinda)..

 

 

 

Wow, just wow :shock: .

 

 

 

I support animal rights in the sense that no one should just mutilate a dog's body, but this is just going too far...

 

Well, using PETA's logic:

 

 

 

 

We should stop eating ice cream because we forcibly make a cow do what they were literally designed to do, and kill and eat them because that's what they were also designed to become.

 

 

 

 

cows were NOT originally designed to produce milk everyday AT ALL, cows were originally like us and still our its just we're slowly manipulating the entire species so that we can get vast ammounts of milk. cows are forcibly inpregnated every 12 months to make them produce milk, then fed unnatural food, kept in cramped conditions etc.. its is NOT natural in the slightest. its just sick how humans have manipulated animals that have feelings and thoughts to become human milk producers..

 

 

 

 

Humans are beyond animals in many ways. Cows cannot solve math problems, much less actually have a conscience. This really is just the circle of life. Saying it is wrong to kill an animal means all animal to animal killing is morally wrong.

 

 

 

depends how you hudge a conscience. we can't communicate with animals, they CAN communicate with each other. no matter how many tests we do you can't tell how an animal feels(fully) without comunicating with it. we know that elephants get screwed over mentaly from seeing other elephants die. i beleive that animals do have a conscience, obviously a lot less advanced thn ours, but they can still think and feel in my opinion. humans didnt just evolve suddenly into really inteligent concious beings with consciences, obviously animals are going to have signs of this, it's just really really arrogant to think that jjust because we're insanely intelligent that animals cant feel sadness or pain or whatever..

 

 

 

at the end of the day we're still animals and we should never forget that, they day we do ( i think its already happening) is thw day of our downfall.

 

 

 

Yet, without said killing, the ecosystem would die, and all living things would die a horrible and painful starvation.

 

 

 

 

it isn't the fact that animals are killed more the way that they're bred to be killed and the fact that the conditions that they are bred in are becoming more and more discusting. look at some pictures of battery farms, which is where a large proportion of our meat comes from.

 

 

 

I wonder how they justify eating plants...

 

 

 

plants cannot move very far, mass farming of plants isn't excactly going to give it a terrible quality of life as that's how plants grow(kinda) and i very much doubt that plants can think.. so there isn't really anything wrong with producing and killing a plant?

 

 

 

Like I said above, I do support animal rights in that needlessly killing animals (hunting game for sport) is something that should not happen because mass killing could damage the ecosystem and eventually us. I do not believe that we should put some...how do I put this? Ugh, never mind, too awkward :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

at the end of the day we're still animals and we should never forget that, they day we do ( i think its already happening) is thw day of our downfall.