Another one bites the dust

[llcoolguy972]

Survival of the fittest & technology.

 

 

 

Whats so important about a species anyways? As long as they aren't getting murdered and for the most part it's a natural thing, like them unable or not reproducing quick enough, then whats so wrong about it? It's just a species disappearing. Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?

 

 

 

So if a species doesn't contribute to human existence, it's deemed unworthy of existing? -.-

 

That's not what he's saying at all.

 

 

 

You can't leap to the protection of every species on the planet. Dozens die out each and every day, thousands haven't even been discovered let alone classified, but you don't seem to complain about that when we're chopping down the rainforests to grow food so prices remain low at the supermarkets.

 

It seems to me that is what he's saying. In the last sentence, he basically says 'yea, they contribute to the ecosystem, but what have they done for us?'

 

And I don't really appreciate the generalization in your last paragraph. I accept the fact that species' are going extinct. I realize that it's natural selection and that humans can't save everything, nor should we. But I don't condone or encourage the massive deforestation that's been happening. Keeping food prices down isn't worth sacrificing the rainforests and the animals that live in there.

[baron8000]

[hide=big old quote pyramid]

We don't need to save every single animal on this planet. Let nature take its course. Leave nature alone.

 

 

 

2nding this. If man fudged with it and killed it off directly or with a reasonable amount of undue interference then ok, theres a problem then, but some species are going to die out just because of natural selection, leave it alone.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but I could happily say with no proof that a DAMN lot of species are dying out becaause of us; deforestation, increasing temperature further than a lot can adapt(not too bad yet) and simply urbanising and farming a large percentage of land is going to kill off species, and is! obviously species die out naturally but humans are contributing to it SO much. its really sad.. and the worst bit is that we still don't do anthing (really) we don't adress the fundamental issues that are causing this. extinction is only going to get A LOT worse.

 

 

 

What we can do? make our governments go green, protests etc. it HAS to be done. cut down on using cars, i mean how many people drive to work with 1 person in the car EVERYDAY its caining off the atmosphere. stop furthering our medical capabilities, its kinda hard to say but when are we going to stop growing? far too many people and we still all want to live longer, tbh quite a lot of illnesses are blatently caused by our unhealthy and un nutritional lifestyles and diets. i have heard that in america many people dont even walk to the shops, i mean.. that aying something isn't it. we have to stop buying and consuming so much POINTLESS crap, its caining of the rainforests without us even realising. did you know that nutella used to support one of the largest agricultural deforestation for palm oil? many companies such as McDonalds, Cadburies, Nestle etc are all contributing to MAJOR deforestation. Stop complaining about food prices and gas prices, they can't be low because supply at the moment CAN'T meet demand, we all need to eat but we'll have to cut back on things to do so. in a capitalist world to have the super rich you have the super poor, to have the rich you need the poor, get what im saying? if you want the world to carry on like it is we can't all be well off and doing well for ourselves. continuous economic growth is not possible in a finite world. All in all we need a complete social reformation, which i think isn't going to happen, the way we all live is destructive, we all want more, we all want a "better" life, a new car, a new tv, to live longer. think about this, we all think on an individual level, and how much do YOU help screw over nature, now think about how many people are doing the same thing possibly on an even bigger scale. think about the "urbanisation"(americanisation) of india and china and think about how many people live there(billions). something has to happen but it won't.. even with these feelings im still on my compurter in my heated house, i try not to buy food that encourages deforestation and to bank in ethical banks but its not enough.

 

 

 

People look at the way you live, do you NEED that new computer or that new Xbox or that new DS. do you NEED those more fasionable clothes because the others are out of season, do you NEED that tacky key ring you got in Paris that you'll probally throw away after a few yers. Do you NEED a bigger car, better shoes etc.. the answer is NO but we all seem to THINK we do. life is 100% not about possetions and to be fair thats inarguable. now i know a lot of people are going to say that a lot fo stuff we need, but if you think about it we don't.

 

 

 

if you care about the enviroment and animals then why not do something, speak up to the governments that really can make a HUGE impact. we cant go on this way.. i know that im doing my bit, i WILL NOT let anymore coal stations be built in the uk, im willing to go to prison if i have to for this cause because it NOT ON!

 

 

 

peace out and think about what i said please

 

 

 

before i posted this i saw this

 

 

 

Survival of the fittest & technology.

 

 

 

Whats so important about a species anyways? As long as they aren't getting murdered and for the most part it's a natural thing, like them unable or not reproducing quick enough, then whats so wrong about it? It's just a species disappearing. Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?

 

 

 

an example of why we're dooming other animals and eventually ourselves. you litterally make me SICK skatedog..

 

 

 

they aren't reproducing quick enough or whatever because of us destroying their enviroment. ARGH you sick sick man.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Wow, for someone who seems to be agreeing with me you sure seem to be ranting at me. Did you miss the part where I said if humanity is at fault then we should prevent this happening? If you can give me some proof that humanity is to blame for the destruction of this species (and I mean solid proof, not general environazi statements about global warming or deforestation).

 

 

 

Also, even if there was a solid link between a declining species and human activity there would still need to be a detailed assessment of costs/benefits to ensuring their survival. Whilst I'm willing to make concessions generally I'm sure as hell not going to change my entire lifestyle just to keep 100 reptiles alive, sorry.

 

 

 

Also, before you call skatedog out on being SICK SICK I TELL YOU, you may want to actually find some evidence that environment destruction has actually had an effect on this particular case.

[Cyco_Reborn]

A lot of species go extinct everyday. What's even worse is that a lot of them probably haven't been discovered yet.

[silver_wits]

[hide=big old quote pyramid]

We don't need to save every single animal on this planet. Let nature take its course. Leave nature alone.

 

 

 

2nding this. If man fudged with it and killed it off directly or with a reasonable amount of undue interference then ok, theres a problem then, but some species are going to die out just because of natural selection, leave it alone.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but I could happily say with no proof that a DAMN lot of species are dying out becaause of us; deforestation, increasing temperature further than a lot can adapt(not too bad yet) and simply urbanising and farming a large percentage of land is going to kill off species, and is! obviously species die out naturally but humans are contributing to it SO much. its really sad.. and the worst bit is that we still don't do anthing (really) we don't adress the fundamental issues that are causing this. extinction is only going to get A LOT worse.

 

 

 

What we can do? make our governments go green, protests etc. it HAS to be done. cut down on using cars, i mean how many people drive to work with 1 person in the car EVERYDAY its caining off the atmosphere. stop furthering our medical capabilities, its kinda hard to say but when are we going to stop growing? far too many people and we still all want to live longer, tbh quite a lot of illnesses are blatently caused by our unhealthy and un nutritional lifestyles and diets. i have heard that in america many people dont even walk to the shops, i mean.. that aying something isn't it. we have to stop buying and consuming so much POINTLESS crap, its caining of the rainforests without us even realising. did you know that nutella used to support one of the largest agricultural deforestation for palm oil? many companies such as McDonalds, Cadburies, Nestle etc are all contributing to MAJOR deforestation. Stop complaining about food prices and gas prices, they can't be low because supply at the moment CAN'T meet demand, we all need to eat but we'll have to cut back on things to do so. in a capitalist world to have the super rich you have the super poor, to have the rich you need the poor, get what im saying? if you want the world to carry on like it is we can't all be well off and doing well for ourselves. continuous economic growth is not possible in a finite world. All in all we need a complete social reformation, which i think isn't going to happen, the way we all live is destructive, we all want more, we all want a "better" life, a new car, a new tv, to live longer. think about this, we all think on an individual level, and how much do YOU help screw over nature, now think about how many people are doing the same thing possibly on an even bigger scale. think about the "urbanisation"(americanisation) of india and china and think about how many people live there(billions). something has to happen but it won't.. even with these feelings im still on my compurter in my heated house, i try not to buy food that encourages deforestation and to bank in ethical banks but its not enough.

 

 

 

People look at the way you live, do you NEED that new computer or that new Xbox or that new DS. do you NEED those more fasionable clothes because the others are out of season, do you NEED that tacky key ring you got in Paris that you'll probally throw away after a few yers. Do you NEED a bigger car, better shoes etc.. the answer is NO but we all seem to THINK we do. life is 100% not about possetions and to be fair thats inarguable. now i know a lot of people are going to say that a lot fo stuff we need, but if you think about it we don't.

 

 

 

if you care about the enviroment and animals then why not do something, speak up to the governments that really can make a HUGE impact. we cant go on this way.. i know that im doing my bit, i WILL NOT let anymore coal stations be built in the uk, im willing to go to prison if i have to for this cause because it NOT ON!

 

 

 

peace out and think about what i said please

 

 

 

before i posted this i saw this

 

 

 

Survival of the fittest & technology.

 

 

 

Whats so important about a species anyways? As long as they aren't getting murdered and for the most part it's a natural thing, like them unable or not reproducing quick enough, then whats so wrong about it? It's just a species disappearing. Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?

 

 

 

an example of why we're dooming other animals and eventually ourselves. you litterally make me SICK skatedog..

 

 

 

they aren't reproducing quick enough or whatever because of us destroying their enviroment. ARGH you sick sick man.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Wow, for someone who seems to be agreeing with me you sure seem to be ranting at me. Did you miss the part where I said if humanity is at fault then we should prevent this happening? If you can give me some proof that humanity is to blame for the destruction of this species (and I mean solid proof, not general environazi statements about global warming or deforestation).

 

Also, even if there was a solid link between a declining species and human activity there would still need to be a detailed assessment of costs/benefits to ensuring their survival. Whilst I'm willing to make concessions generally I'm sure as hell not going to change my entire lifestyle just to keep 100 reptiles alive, sorry.

 

 

 

Also, before you call skatedog out on being SICK SICK I TELL YOU, you may want to actually find some evidence that environment destruction has actually had an effect on this particular case.

 

 

 

hmm.. over the millions of eras on our planet.. hasn't there been times when there was mass extinction? either by craters crashing, or acid rain, or large amounts of carbon released into the air by volcanoes [aka voncanic explosions]

 

 

 

What if it was meant to be that humans would be the next cause of a mass extinction? :shock: :?

 

 

 

*EDIT*

 

 

 

I'm not arguing against baron here!

[Freakyhair]

[hide=big old quote pyramid]

We don't need to save every single animal on this planet. Let nature take its course. Leave nature alone.

 

 

 

2nding this. If man fudged with it and killed it off directly or with a reasonable amount of undue interference then ok, theres a problem then, but some species are going to die out just because of natural selection, leave it alone.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but I could happily say with no proof that a DAMN lot of species are dying out becaause of us; deforestation, increasing temperature further than a lot can adapt(not too bad yet) and simply urbanising and farming a large percentage of land is going to kill off species, and is! obviously species die out naturally but humans are contributing to it SO much. its really sad.. and the worst bit is that we still don't do anthing (really) we don't adress the fundamental issues that are causing this. extinction is only going to get A LOT worse.

 

 

 

What we can do? make our governments go green, protests etc. it HAS to be done. cut down on using cars, i mean how many people drive to work with 1 person in the car EVERYDAY its caining off the atmosphere. stop furthering our medical capabilities, its kinda hard to say but when are we going to stop growing? far too many people and we still all want to live longer, tbh quite a lot of illnesses are blatently caused by our unhealthy and un nutritional lifestyles and diets. i have heard that in america many people dont even walk to the shops, i mean.. that aying something isn't it. we have to stop buying and consuming so much POINTLESS crap, its caining of the rainforests without us even realising. did you know that nutella used to support one of the largest agricultural deforestation for palm oil? many companies such as McDonalds, Cadburies, Nestle etc are all contributing to MAJOR deforestation. Stop complaining about food prices and gas prices, they can't be low because supply at the moment CAN'T meet demand, we all need to eat but we'll have to cut back on things to do so. in a capitalist world to have the super rich you have the super poor, to have the rich you need the poor, get what im saying? if you want the world to carry on like it is we can't all be well off and doing well for ourselves. continuous economic growth is not possible in a finite world. All in all we need a complete social reformation, which i think isn't going to happen, the way we all live is destructive, we all want more, we all want a "better" life, a new car, a new tv, to live longer. think about this, we all think on an individual level, and how much do YOU help screw over nature, now think about how many people are doing the same thing possibly on an even bigger scale. think about the "urbanisation"(americanisation) of india and china and think about how many people live there(billions). something has to happen but it won't.. even with these feelings im still on my compurter in my heated house, i try not to buy food that encourages deforestation and to bank in ethical banks but its not enough.

 

 

 

People look at the way you live, do you NEED that new computer or that new Xbox or that new DS. do you NEED those more fasionable clothes because the others are out of season, do you NEED that tacky key ring you got in Paris that you'll probally throw away after a few yers. Do you NEED a bigger car, better shoes etc.. the answer is NO but we all seem to THINK we do. life is 100% not about possetions and to be fair thats inarguable. now i know a lot of people are going to say that a lot fo stuff we need, but if you think about it we don't.

 

 

 

if you care about the enviroment and animals then why not do something, speak up to the governments that really can make a HUGE impact. we cant go on this way.. i know that im doing my bit, i WILL NOT let anymore coal stations be built in the uk, im willing to go to prison if i have to for this cause because it NOT ON!

 

 

 

peace out and think about what i said please

 

 

 

before i posted this i saw this

 

 

 

Survival of the fittest & technology.

 

 

 

Whats so important about a species anyways? As long as they aren't getting murdered and for the most part it's a natural thing, like them unable or not reproducing quick enough, then whats so wrong about it? It's just a species disappearing. Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?

 

 

 

an example of why we're dooming other animals and eventually ourselves. you litterally make me SICK skatedog..

 

 

 

they aren't reproducing quick enough or whatever because of us destroying their enviroment. ARGH you sick sick man.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Wow, for someone who seems to be agreeing with me you sure seem to be ranting at me. Did you miss the part where I said if humanity is at fault then we should prevent this happening? If you can give me some proof that humanity is to blame for the destruction of this species (and I mean solid proof, not general environazi statements about global warming or deforestation).

 

 

 

Also, even if there was a solid link between a declining species and human activity there would still need to be a detailed assessment of costs/benefits to ensuring their survival. Whilst I'm willing to make concessions generally I'm sure as hell not going to change my entire lifestyle just to keep 100 reptiles alive, sorry.

 

 

 

Also, before you call skatedog out on being SICK SICK I TELL YOU, you may want to actually find some evidence that environment destruction has actually had an effect on this particular case.

 

 

 

i get really pissed off about this because of human arogance. i can't find solid proof for this, do you need solid proof for everything? this individual case maybe not but skatedog said

 

'Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?'

 

that is what i find sick, that view. i also find it pretty screwed up how you can put a price on animals or species, we're losing touch with our roots and you prooved it. life shouldnt be about costs and money it should be about livving, but living the way we are is clearly affecting animals, maybe its hard for you to understand but think about how much land is now effectively our habitat, pretty much all animals find it extremely hard to survive in that enviroment that we're creating. at the same time we're destroying and shrinking their habitats so they have even less room to hunt, mate, just live! you don't need proof for everything, some things are just obvious, an increases in humans is going to damage other animals but we're completely ruining their world, polluting rivers, burning forests.

 

 

 

Look that isn't just general enviromental whatever(well it is) but those are the reasons that species are finding it hard and survive, that is the be all and end all. hunting obviously contributes as well but it all adds up.

 

 

 

i dunno i'm just pissed off that we're killing our natural world.. and seemingly not caring

need to be a detailed assessment of costs/benefits to ensuring their survival

 

 

 

we need action, not assessments..

[Bouwzie]

If we killed the other 996 of those turtles, sure, then we should intervene. But if we had nothing (or little) to do with it, then why should we? Those turtles couldn't adept to the current way to live, so they either need to find a way to reproduce quick, or they are doomed. I think they are doomed.

[Lenticular_J]

Yeah, trying to help them would probably end up all the worse.

[baron8000]

[hide=big old quote pyramid]

We don't need to save every single animal on this planet. Let nature take its course. Leave nature alone.

 

 

 

2nding this. If man fudged with it and killed it off directly or with a reasonable amount of undue interference then ok, theres a problem then, but some species are going to die out just because of natural selection, leave it alone.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but I could happily say with no proof that a DAMN lot of species are dying out becaause of us; deforestation, increasing temperature further than a lot can adapt(not too bad yet) and simply urbanising and farming a large percentage of land is going to kill off species, and is! obviously species die out naturally but humans are contributing to it SO much. its really sad.. and the worst bit is that we still don't do anthing (really) we don't adress the fundamental issues that are causing this. extinction is only going to get A LOT worse.

 

 

 

What we can do? make our governments go green, protests etc. it HAS to be done. cut down on using cars, i mean how many people drive to work with 1 person in the car EVERYDAY its caining off the atmosphere. stop furthering our medical capabilities, its kinda hard to say but when are we going to stop growing? far too many people and we still all want to live longer, tbh quite a lot of illnesses are blatently caused by our unhealthy and un nutritional lifestyles and diets. i have heard that in america many people dont even walk to the shops, i mean.. that aying something isn't it. we have to stop buying and consuming so much POINTLESS crap, its caining of the rainforests without us even realising. did you know that nutella used to support one of the largest agricultural deforestation for palm oil? many companies such as McDonalds, Cadburies, Nestle etc are all contributing to MAJOR deforestation. Stop complaining about food prices and gas prices, they can't be low because supply at the moment CAN'T meet demand, we all need to eat but we'll have to cut back on things to do so. in a capitalist world to have the super rich you have the super poor, to have the rich you need the poor, get what im saying? if you want the world to carry on like it is we can't all be well off and doing well for ourselves. continuous economic growth is not possible in a finite world. All in all we need a complete social reformation, which i think isn't going to happen, the way we all live is destructive, we all want more, we all want a "better" life, a new car, a new tv, to live longer. think about this, we all think on an individual level, and how much do YOU help screw over nature, now think about how many people are doing the same thing possibly on an even bigger scale. think about the "urbanisation"(americanisation) of india and china and think about how many people live there(billions). something has to happen but it won't.. even with these feelings im still on my compurter in my heated house, i try not to buy food that encourages deforestation and to bank in ethical banks but its not enough.

 

 

 

People look at the way you live, do you NEED that new computer or that new Xbox or that new DS. do you NEED those more fasionable clothes because the others are out of season, do you NEED that tacky key ring you got in Paris that you'll probally throw away after a few yers. Do you NEED a bigger car, better shoes etc.. the answer is NO but we all seem to THINK we do. life is 100% not about possetions and to be fair thats inarguable. now i know a lot of people are going to say that a lot fo stuff we need, but if you think about it we don't.

 

 

 

if you care about the enviroment and animals then why not do something, speak up to the governments that really can make a HUGE impact. we cant go on this way.. i know that im doing my bit, i WILL NOT let anymore coal stations be built in the uk, im willing to go to prison if i have to for this cause because it NOT ON!

 

 

 

peace out and think about what i said please

 

 

 

before i posted this i saw this

 

 

 

Survival of the fittest & technology.

 

 

 

Whats so important about a species anyways? As long as they aren't getting murdered and for the most part it's a natural thing, like them unable or not reproducing quick enough, then whats so wrong about it? It's just a species disappearing. Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?

 

 

 

an example of why we're dooming other animals and eventually ourselves. you litterally make me SICK skatedog..

 

 

 

they aren't reproducing quick enough or whatever because of us destroying their enviroment. ARGH you sick sick man.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Wow, for someone who seems to be agreeing with me you sure seem to be ranting at me. Did you miss the part where I said if humanity is at fault then we should prevent this happening? If you can give me some proof that humanity is to blame for the destruction of this species (and I mean solid proof, not general environazi statements about global warming or deforestation).

 

 

 

Also, even if there was a solid link between a declining species and human activity there would still need to be a detailed assessment of costs/benefits to ensuring their survival. Whilst I'm willing to make concessions generally I'm sure as hell not going to change my entire lifestyle just to keep 100 reptiles alive, sorry.

 

 

 

Also, before you call skatedog out on being SICK SICK I TELL YOU, you may want to actually find some evidence that environment destruction has actually had an effect on this particular case.

 

 

 

i get really pissed off about this because of human arogance. i can't find solid proof for this, do you need solid proof for everything? Yes, an argument without proof is useless, simple factthis individual case maybe not but skatedog said

 

'Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?'

 

that is what i find sick, that view. i also find it pretty screwed up how you can put a price on animals or species, we're losing touch with our roots and you prooved it. life shouldnt be about costs and money it should be about livving, but living the way we are is clearly affecting animals. Without a doubt the way we live is affecting other animals, but I'm not about to sacrifice human life for animal life anytime soon, lets take your example about coal stations in the UK, ok, lets use only renewable energy, a considerably more expensive type of energy - its obvious that energy companies arent going to pay that price tag themselves, so itll get passed onto the consumer, the elderly in this country in the UK are already struggling to pay winter heating bills and for the safety of 100 turtles potentially thousands of grandparents have been endangered, see, when you realise humans need looking after its not so easy. maybe its hard for you to understand but think about how much land is now effectively our habitat, pretty much all animals find it extremely hard to survive in that enviroment that we're creating. at the same time we're destroying and shrinking their habitats so they have even less room to hunt, mate, just live! you don't need proof for everything, some things are just obviousIf its that obvious, then it should be pretty easy to prove, an increases in humans is going to damage other animals but we're completely ruining their world, polluting rivers, burning forests.

 

 

 

Look that isn't just general enviromental whatever(well it is) but those are the reasons that species are finding it hard and survive, that is the be all and end all. hunting obviously contributes as well but it all adds up.

 

 

 

i dunno i'm just pissed off that we're killing our natural world.. and seemingly not caring

need to be a detailed assessment of costs/benefits to ensuring their survival

 

 

 

we need action, not assessments..

 

 

 

Some comments in bold, but I'm going to have one last crack at getting you to understand my viewpoint. There are 3 potential ways that a species can go extinct, each of which has a varying degree of human impact and various responses.

 

 

 

1) The species is going extinct solely because of irresponsible human activity. I suppose the best example of this would be say, the hunting of Siberian tigers, or maybe gorrilas. In this case I fully support any sanction that can prevent this kind of tragedy and you will find no evidence of me saying otherwise. If this viewpoint has come across to you from me then you have either misinterpreted, misunderstood, or somehow got confused about what I have written, or there has been a typo on my part. If you can find such an example I will be glad to correct it.

 

 

 

2) The species is going extinct and humanity has indirectly had an effect on it, I suppose a good example here would be a creature affected by habitat destruction, or global warming. In this case I would fully support an alteration of human activity if (and this is the important part that I've been trying to stress) the resulting impact on humanity is massively disproportionate. If all it will take to save the siberian hunting spider (that fakes a limp in 3 of its 8 legs to attract its trusting prey, the so called samaritan squirrel) is me recycling a newspaper then I will gladly do so. If however to save a turtle the entire energy system of the UK would need to be revamped at massive social and economic cost then sorry, no dice.

 

 

 

3) The species is going extinct regardless of humanity. I hope I don't have to explain natural selection but I'm pretty sure you know that, in layman's terms, its is a process of earth that is NOT TO BE FUDGED WITH. If a creature is dying out due to inferior genes then keeping it alive artificially would be the most unnatural thing to do. In this case I would support humanity leaving damn well alone.

 

 

 

Now, I'm not sure how our dear turtles fit into this analysis. If you can show me that human activity has put our turtles into places 1 or 2 (and just saying durrr global warming doesnt prove that, there are millions of species not affected by global warming) then sure, we can then move to the next stage of doing something about it.

 

 

 

Finally, your slogan of "we need action, not assessments" is, well, just a slogan, and thus useless. Having studied earth sciences and geography myself (and living with 5 degree level geography and earth science students) I can tell you that action without assessment is quite possibly the most stupid and worse possible route to take. Off the top of my head the "must take action now!!!" route lead to the cessation of spraying DDT (a poisonous insecticide) over crops in Africa, this made the crops marginally more healthy, but also resulted in a massive increase in mosquitoes and you guessed it, Malaria. Don't get me wrong, I don't want any animal to go needlessly extinct, but to try to save them all is unnatural, unachievable and pointless.

[Zox]

I always thought Turtles and Tortoises were going to be the first major species to get extinct, by Survival of the Fittest, because they're just too slow, while other animals can adapt to crush them/dig thier heads out of the shells and other gory means of killing turtles.

Siggied! \

 

 

 

Why..?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To whoever said to not bother with it and let nature play its course, we are part of nature.

[Lenticular_J]

With something like this, though, we can't exactly do very much in the wild, particularly since if we do the wrong thing, they'd be extinct, and people would think their (delicious?) turtley blood on our hands.

 

 

 

'Course, helping them breed in captivity isn't a terrible idea. Meh, I'm not the best with animals and helping them and whatnot.

[Kill_Thomas9]

We don't need to save every single animal on this planet. Let nature take its course. Leave nature alone.

 

 

 

2nding this. If man fudged with it and killed it off directly or with a reasonable amount of undue interference then ok, theres a problem then, but some species are going to die out just because of natural selection, leave it alone.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but I could happily say with no proof that a DAMN lot of species are dying out becaause of us; deforestation, increasing temperature further than a lot can adapt(not too bad yet) and simply urbanising and farming a large percentage of land is going to kill off species, and is! obviously species die out naturally but humans are contributing to it SO much. its really sad.. and the worst bit is that we still don't do anthing (really) we don't adress the fundamental issues that are causing this. extinction is only going to get A LOT worse.

 

 

 

What we can do? make our governments go green, protests etc. it HAS to be done. cut down on using cars, i mean how many people drive to work with 1 person in the car EVERYDAY its caining off the atmosphere. stop furthering our medical capabilities, its kinda hard to say but when are we going to stop growing? far too many people and we still all want to live longer, tbh quite a lot of illnesses are blatently caused by our unhealthy and un nutritional lifestyles and diets. i have heard that in america many people dont even walk to the shops, i mean.. that aying something isn't it. we have to stop buying and consuming so much POINTLESS crap, its caining of the rainforests without us even realising. did you know that nutella used to support one of the largest agricultural deforestation for palm oil? many companies such as McDonalds, Cadburies, Nestle etc are all contributing to MAJOR deforestation. Stop complaining about food prices and gas prices, they can't be low because supply at the moment CAN'T meet demand, we all need to eat but we'll have to cut back on things to do so. in a capitalist world to have the super rich you have the super poor, to have the rich you need the poor, get what im saying? if you want the world to carry on like it is we can't all be well off and doing well for ourselves. continuous economic growth is not possible in a finite world. All in all we need a complete social reformation, which i think isn't going to happen, the way we all live is destructive, we all want more, we all want a "better" life, a new car, a new tv, to live longer. think about this, we all think on an individual level, and how much do YOU help screw over nature, now think about how many people are doing the same thing possibly on an even bigger scale. think about the "urbanisation"(americanisation) of india and china and think about how many people live there(billions). something has to happen but it won't.. even with these feelings im still on my compurter in my heated house, i try not to buy food that encourages deforestation and to bank in ethical banks but its not enough.

 

 

 

People look at the way you live, do you NEED that new computer or that new Xbox or that new DS. do you NEED those more fasionable clothes because the others are out of season, do you NEED that tacky key ring you got in Paris that you'll probally throw away after a few yers. Do you NEED a bigger car, better shoes etc.. the answer is NO but we all seem to THINK we do. life is 100% not about possetions and to be fair thats inarguable. now i know a lot of people are going to say that a lot fo stuff we need, but if you think about it we don't.

 

 

 

if you care about the enviroment and animals then why not do something, speak up to the governments that really can make a HUGE impact. we cant go on this way.. i know that im doing my bit, i WILL NOT let anymore coal stations be built in the uk, im willing to go to prison if i have to for this cause because it NOT ON!

 

 

 

peace out and think about what i said please

 

 

 

before i posted this i saw this

 

 

 

Survival of the fittest & technology.

 

 

 

Whats so important about a species anyways? As long as they aren't getting murdered and for the most part it's a natural thing, like them unable or not reproducing quick enough, then whats so wrong about it? It's just a species disappearing. Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?

 

 

 

an example of why we're dooming other animals and eventually ourselves. you litterally make me SICK skatedog..

 

 

 

they aren't reproducing quick enough or whatever because of us destroying their enviroment. ARGH you sick sick man.

 

 

 

 

 

I think you need to reflect on the past few thousand years for a moment here.

 

 

 

What you're suggesting is that people quit striving for that bigger car, or for that new TV, or whatever they want. What you don't realize is that it is human nature to want more, and more, and more. Back during the time of "cave men" when people relied on hunting and gathering, humans could have easily survived solely on the herbs and plants they gathered, along with the squirrel or two they caught every day. And although they knew this, they still went hunting after mammoths and tigers, forcing them into extinction. Early farmers used a method known as "Slash and Burn" (which is still used today) in which the bark of trees was slashed off, and the tree then burnt. This method of farming brought nutrients to the topsoil, which meant improved harvests, and ultimately more wealth for the farmer. The downside of this was major deforestation. Later, large kingdoms such as Rome plundered and torched opposing cities, sometimes entire forests, and salted the nearby ground making it unsuitable for plants to grow. Domesticated cattle ate large fields until they were barren, causing erosion and making the area uninhabitable for local animal species

 

 

 

The Daoists believed that human striving (wanting a new car, more land, etc) was the cause of much human and creature suffering, and that people should be content with what they already have. But time and time again humans have shown that they will never be content with what they have, and will always strive for more.

 

 

 

 

 

My point here is that society as a whole can not stop striving anymore than they can stop wanting to live. It is human nature to do so, and we have been effecting the world more than we know since the time we lived in caves.

[Freakyhair]

We don't need to save every single animal on this planet. Let nature take its course. Leave nature alone.

 

 

 

2nding this. If man fudged with it and killed it off directly or with a reasonable amount of undue interference then ok, theres a problem then, but some species are going to die out just because of natural selection, leave it alone.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but I could happily say with no proof that a DAMN lot of species are dying out becaause of us; deforestation, increasing temperature further than a lot can adapt(not too bad yet) and simply urbanising and farming a large percentage of land is going to kill off species, and is! obviously species die out naturally but humans are contributing to it SO much. its really sad.. and the worst bit is that we still don't do anthing (really) we don't adress the fundamental issues that are causing this. extinction is only going to get A LOT worse.

 

 

 

What we can do? make our governments go green, protests etc. it HAS to be done. cut down on using cars, i mean how many people drive to work with 1 person in the car EVERYDAY its caining off the atmosphere. stop furthering our medical capabilities, its kinda hard to say but when are we going to stop growing? far too many people and we still all want to live longer, tbh quite a lot of illnesses are blatently caused by our unhealthy and un nutritional lifestyles and diets. i have heard that in america many people dont even walk to the shops, i mean.. that aying something isn't it. we have to stop buying and consuming so much POINTLESS crap, its caining of the rainforests without us even realising. did you know that nutella used to support one of the largest agricultural deforestation for palm oil? many companies such as McDonalds, Cadburies, Nestle etc are all contributing to MAJOR deforestation. Stop complaining about food prices and gas prices, they can't be low because supply at the moment CAN'T meet demand, we all need to eat but we'll have to cut back on things to do so. in a capitalist world to have the super rich you have the super poor, to have the rich you need the poor, get what im saying? if you want the world to carry on like it is we can't all be well off and doing well for ourselves. continuous economic growth is not possible in a finite world. All in all we need a complete social reformation, which i think isn't going to happen, the way we all live is destructive, we all want more, we all want a "better" life, a new car, a new tv, to live longer. think about this, we all think on an individual level, and how much do YOU help screw over nature, now think about how many people are doing the same thing possibly on an even bigger scale. think about the "urbanisation"(americanisation) of india and china and think about how many people live there(billions). something has to happen but it won't.. even with these feelings im still on my compurter in my heated house, i try not to buy food that encourages deforestation and to bank in ethical banks but its not enough.

 

 

 

People look at the way you live, do you NEED that new computer or that new Xbox or that new DS. do you NEED those more fasionable clothes because the others are out of season, do you NEED that tacky key ring you got in Paris that you'll probally throw away after a few yers. Do you NEED a bigger car, better shoes etc.. the answer is NO but we all seem to THINK we do. life is 100% not about possetions and to be fair thats inarguable. now i know a lot of people are going to say that a lot fo stuff we need, but if you think about it we don't.

 

 

 

if you care about the enviroment and animals then why not do something, speak up to the governments that really can make a HUGE impact. we cant go on this way.. i know that im doing my bit, i WILL NOT let anymore coal stations be built in the uk, im willing to go to prison if i have to for this cause because it NOT ON!

 

 

 

peace out and think about what i said please

 

 

 

before i posted this i saw this

 

 

 

Survival of the fittest & technology.

 

 

 

Whats so important about a species anyways? As long as they aren't getting murdered and for the most part it's a natural thing, like them unable or not reproducing quick enough, then whats so wrong about it? It's just a species disappearing. Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?

 

 

 

an example of why we're dooming other animals and eventually ourselves. you litterally make me SICK skatedog..

 

 

 

they aren't reproducing quick enough or whatever because of us destroying their enviroment. ARGH you sick sick man.

 

 

 

 

 

I think you need to reflect on the past few thousand years for a moment here.

 

 

 

What you're suggesting is that people quit striving for that bigger car, or for that new TV, or whatever they want. What you don't realize is that it is human nature to want more, and more, and more. Back during the time of "cave men" when people relied on hunting and gathering, humans could have easily survived solely on the herbs and plants they gathered, along with the squirrel or two they caught every day. And although they knew this, they still went hunting after mammoths and tigers, forcing them into extinction. Early farmers used a method known as "Slash and Burn" (which is still used today) in which the bark of trees was slashed off, and the tree then burnt. This method of farming brought nutrients to the topsoil, which meant improved harvests, and ultimately more wealth for the farmer. The downside of this was major deforestation. Later, large kingdoms such as Rome plundered and torched opposing cities, sometimes entire forests, and salted the nearby ground making it unsuitable for plants to grow. Domesticated cattle ate large fields until they were barren, causing erosion and making the area uninhabitable for local animal species

 

 

 

The Daoists believed that human striving (wanting a new car, more land, etc) was the cause of much human and creature suffering, and that people should be content with what they already have. But time and time again humans have shown that they will never be content with what they have, and will always strive for more.

 

 

 

 

 

My point here is that society as a whole can not stop striving anymore than they can stop wanting to live. It is human nature to do so, and we have been effecting the world more than we know since the time we lived in caves.

 

 

 

i don't want more. i want more in the sense of experiences, obviously when i was younger i did but like i've said we've managed to supress quite a lot of our instincts, i cant even be bothered to type anymore.

 

 

 

basicaly we NEED a complete social rehall, screw the econonomy, the economy in its current state is just making people more greedy and resulting in mass suffering. like i said to have rich you need poor, to have super rich you need super poor. to get super rich you pretty much need to be rich.. get what im saying? we need money to be a part of life not to be our life.

[Kenshinjapan]

Freakyhair, can you just take your hippie [cabbage] to 4chan and leave us alone?

 

 

 

Anywho, it's too bad for the species. Survival of the fittest.

[Dharockslayer]

 

i don't want more. i want more in the sense of experiences, obviously when i was younger i did but like i've said we've managed to supress quite a lot of our instincts, i cant even be bothered to type anymore.

 

 

 

basicaly we NEED a complete social rehall, screw the econonomy, the economy in its current state is just making people more greedy and resulting in mass suffering. like i said to have rich you need poor, to have super rich you need super poor. to get super rich you pretty much need to be rich.. get what im saying? we need money to be a part of life not to be our life.

 

 

 

Ok, so basically, you want to throw over the entire human system. Inorder for species to survive?

 

 

 

I don't mind if you think I am a sick, sick person. 3 billion people are just as sick as I am in your view, thats the world.

 

 

 

You say screw the economy? Good, sure, back to killing ourselves for food, mayor war for resources and loss of a justice system ( What lawyer would do anything for a piece of ham? ).

 

If you want to kill the planet, remove the economy.

 

 

 

If I had to choose right here between having to kill the final turtle in the world versus my family starving. I would gladly spitroast that turtle.

 

 

 

The needs of the masses outweigh the needs of the few. And yes, a lot of people are dumb. But we can't rewire the entire human race into living peacefully and getting along while helping the pretty birds and flora. As long as humans reproduce the planet will suffer, and I am not going to be sorry for all those thousands of animals and people dying because that would depress me more then anything.

 

 

 

Live day by day, and stop being stuck in an idealistic dreamland.

[Lenticular_J]

He just wants an idealistic utopian socialistic communistic capitalistic democratic fascist state where we're given millions of dollars but still live on grass because we don't need it.

 

 

 

Duh.

[fgfuyfyuiuy0]

 

i get really pissed off about this because of human arogance. i can't find solid proof for this, do you need solid proof for everything? this individual case maybe not but skatedog said

 

'Sure species contribute greatly to the ecosystem and other systems, but if the species is already at 100 left or so, they aren't doing much for the 4 billion humans?'

 

 

 

 

There's actually 9 billion to date.

 

 

 

Just felt like pointing that out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anywho, too bad for the species, but as it has been said many times it's survival of the fittest.

 

 

 

Go evolution. :

[Vansing]

Actually theres about 7 billion people ;)

 

 

 

I think its a shame they are near extinction but its not all our fault. We cause some species to die off but not all of them, its just nature.

[Sumpta]

There is a distinction between natural evolution and negative human interference in an ecosystem, be it out of stupidity or self-interest. Many like to forget about this distinction because they are too lazy to change their ways.

 

 

 

I'm not sure what caused these turtles to die out, but I often do feel like crying my eyes out when, for example, I read or hear stories of humans stupidly exporting/importing alien species into an ecosystem to the detriment of the whole of that system. It is easy to say the fittest survive and to say that it is not all our fault, but the heart of the matter is that our impact on this world is so deep and mostly destructive, that the least we can do is try to correct our own mistakes for the generations to come. But hey, as long as we ourselves have good lives, yeah? Meh.

[shivers21]

All species help humans in one way or the other, even in a minute way, the thing is, if we only keep the animals we 'Need' then we will have what.. cows?.