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EDIT: This post has been majorly redefined in the responses; items like Armored Zombies and refining of numbers have been mixed in, much of it the result of a 400 page argument between me and ydrasil. It would be a good idea to read the last few responses before you post something.



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Slayer. The longest, and hardest, 99. The skill loved by all. The skill proclaimed to be the greatest thing since RS2. In short, it sucks.



Widely regarded as the best way to train combat, slayer simply isn't. Every thread I see asking about combat goes something like this:

*Post about training combat*

*Post saying X monster is good*

*Post saying Y monster is good*

*Post saying slayer is good*

*Post saying 'the above guy is right'*

*Post saying 'yeah train slayer"* X 8



Same with combat money makers.

Reality time:

Slayer isn't a good way to train. Slayer isn't a good way to make money.



XPwise, slayer is a nightmare. At near maxed stats, you are lucky to get 50K xp\hour. I used to train slayer, but I started to get fed up with it after the new release. I'm on my 49th task, and I should get 50th just so I can buy runes and make a bit of money, but I can't stomach it any more. My tasks went something like: Iron dragons, for the 1000th time, (skip, 41 points left), 60 steel dragons (skip, 11 points left), Mithril Dragons (Can't skip, 11 points left). I spent way too much time trying to kill mith dragons before realizing that it really wasn't worth it.



XP per hour with slayer: 50k

XP per hour with Zombie Monkies: 110k



Yeah. But slayer earns money, you say? Zombies cost too much, you say?



Slayer is LUCKY to earn 50k per hour before level 80 (I can't vouch for after 83, but from what I hear it really doesn't pick up a whole lot). A few tasks make a little money, but most tasks I consider myself lucky to break even. Subtract prayer pots\armor repair\Summoning pouches\scrolls\super set costs, and your left with a pittance.Zombie monkies, with my invo and outfit, costs 5 prayer pots per hour, + 1.5 pure sets.



XP per hour with slayer: 50k, Profit per hour: 50k

XP per hour with monkies: 110k, Profit per hour: (-40k)



1 hour at Zombie Monkies = 110k xp

2 hours at slayer = (If your lucky) 110k xp



You turn out 100k (profit from slayer) + 40k (loss from monkies) = 140k ahead with slayer. Hopefully most of us can make more then that in 1 hour.



Ah, but slayer is easier, right? No, zombie monkies is standing there clicking a prayer pot every couple of minutes, and running a few squares away and back so that the monkies are aggressive again. You can literally read a book and turn your attention to RS for a few seconds every couple of minutes. Slayer means constantly running around and attacking monsters, or piety switching if you want to train prayer.

Danger: Slayer is fairly dangerous; I've lost several dozen million to it, quite a bit from metal dragons. Not paying attention and letting your prayer run out can result in nasty things happening to you.



Zombie monkies, on the other hand, and incredibly safe. Your prayer drains very slowly, and in the off chance that it runs out, the monkies hit very slowly. If you do manage to die, you lose proslyte and not much else. Not that it matters; your grave is less then a minute away from any bank with Ape Atoll tele.



Slayer is 'fun' - I can't really argue against this one; everyone's idea of fun varies. I do zombie monkies during times I can't pay much attention or don't really feel like playing; when I 'play' runescape, I do whatever I find fun, usually PVP games like CW\Fight Pits, or else get some real training done with chinchompas and whatnot. If, for you, the funnest thing in the game is killing various monsters, you could just as well train at monkies during downtime, and kill random monsters not on task when 'playing'. You'd still end up ahead of just slayer, although if you want to train the best would be to kill monkies steadily. Like I said, opinions of 'fun' vary.



The last argument I hear is that if some new item comes out with a high slayer requirement, you can make a lot of money. Which is sort of true, but not a viable argument. Whips were one exception; no one had the slayer level when they came out, and the first people to 85 slayer made a massive amount of money. Dark bows did OK, but few people really had a good strategy for killing dark beasts, the bows were rare, and they dropped like a rock. Put the letters two, eight, and seven in the first three digits of your reply to prove you actually read what I typed. Dragon boots had the same problem, and dropped very quickly, but they remained a decent money maker until recently. However, those perks for the first day or two that items come out will never come close to making up for the fact that you were earning 50k an hour for all those hundreds of hours of training - you could have made more money then you would ever spend by doing something other then slayer for the time.



Slayer is downright horrible for training range. I can earn 65k XP an hour right now at level 50 spiders while clicking on my range potion once every 7 minutes, at a minuscule cost. When I have time and feel like doing something, I can get 220k XP\hour at Ape Atoll for 450k an hour with grey chinchompas. With slayer, I can get 30k XP\hour, getting lucky to break even when using decent ammo so my XP rates are acceptable. Meaning that I get 7.3x the XP at chinchompas, for a cost of 450k an hour more. So, I would be spending an extra 6.3 hours to save 450k - 71k an hour. I can find a few ways of making more then 71k an hour, thank you very much. At level 50 spiders, I'm losing 20k an hour to get 65k XP, vs 30k XP for free with slayer. I can make more then 9k per hour, so I like spiders better. Besides that, I can do spiders while paying virtually no attention whatsoever.



Training magic using combat, in any way, unless your bursting rock lobsters, is a bad idea. No need to argue that point.



In short, slayer is bad for any form of training. The only possible way slayer would be a good thing would be if you really enjoy the skill, and are willing to sacrifice huge amounts of XP and GP just so you have variety in training.



I'm welcome to any opinions against this, and I'm sure there will be plenty. But don't post any arguments of the following kind, which I have already covered:



'Slayer is better XP then you say, because I get X xp with Y task' No. Slayer is 50k melee XP at the most, and 30k range XP if you are lucky. With banking time and the time spent getting tasks, the XP rates go down dramatically. And for every 'good' tasks, there is several bad ones.

'Slayer is easier\less clicking\requires less attention and is less dangerous then X method of training' No. I already covered that. Zombie monkies for melee and giant spiders for range, the two methods I use in comparison, require a couple of clicks per minute at the most, and both have virtually no risk. Slayer, on the other hand, requires constant attention for most tasks, and some tasks carry a significant risk.

'Slayer is funner' Fair enough, if you find it fun then that's that. However, read my section on 'slayer is fun'.


In short, saying 'slayer is the best way to train combat' is a horribly wrong statement. A correct version would be 'slayer is a slow and unprofitable way to train combat, but if you enjoy the skill it is worth training. Just know that you will be losing out on a large amount of XP and GP.' I have nothing against slayer, but I get tired of people saying that it is the best way to train combat...





READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE POSTING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PATIENCE\TIME\ATTENTION SPAN TO READ IT, PLEASE DO NOT ARGUE AGAINST IT.




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Since you posted a bit too much for me to read for 18 hrs of no sleep I'll just tell you that



The reason people say slayer is good xp is because when you're slaying, you generally want to focus on the slayer xp, drops, and sometimes clan chat.

If it was normal melee training you would look at your skill every 10 mins or so. In slayer you usually look at slayer xp and whatever you're training at the end of the task to see how much you got.

But I do agree its technically not the greatest xp, since its random you can have a good task with good xp or bad. Its just what people call random.



Sorry, i'll be fair and not flame about anything else i wont (cant) read :P



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Slayer's a great way to train. You never really get bored, and you basically get free total levels. I know this is going to read as an insult, but to see someone with your stats. Almost all 99 melees with 76 slayer, it really disgusts me.
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What about me, Robin? :lol: 61 here. I've been slaying lately but stopped for a while @ 130 blue drags.



Anyway, Comp,

please tell me you took into context what I said.



If you havent you'll get flamed alot :|
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Slayer's a great way to train. You never really get bored, and you basically get free total levels. I know this is going to read as an insult, but to see someone with your stats. Almost all 99 melees with 76 slayer, it really disgusts me.


You... Get... Free... Total.. Levels...



I can't really argue there, I guess.



But the comment about my melee stats vs. slayer level - That's another thing I'm sick of. I choose to get far better XP and drops using methods other then slayer; why does that matter to you?



The fact that you were dumb enough to waste 100s of hours training slayer disgusts me. (Sarcastic irony, by the way... I realize that some people enjoy training slayer, and like I said I have no problem with that. I just don't like them saying that it is the best way to train combat) The same argument could be used for anything - to see someone with your stats only having 70 cooking, it disgusts me.



Since you posted a bit too much for me to read for 18 hrs of no sleep I'll just tell you that



The reason people say slayer is good xp is because when you're slaying, you generally want to focus on the slayer xp, drops, and sometimes clan chat.

If it was normal melee training you would look at your skill every 10 mins or so. In slayer you usually look at slayer xp and whatever you're training at the end of the task to see how much you got.

But I do agree its technically not the greatest xp, since its random you can have a good task with good xp or bad. Its just what people call random.



Sorry, i'll be fair and not flame about anything else i wont (cant) read :P



Ray




Thanks for the last line, but I would like to point out that focusing on the slayer XP does nothing for you XP\hour rate, unless you mean it forces you to pay closer attention. However, my 'argument method', Zombie monkies, requires zero attention - meaning that the XP is still far better then slayer, even if your paying very little attention and not focusing on XP at all. It frees up a lot more time for talking to friends without losing XP, also.
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What about me, Robin? :lol: 61 here. I've been slaying lately but stopped for a while @ 130 blue drags.



Anyway, Comp,

please tell me you took into context what I said.



If you havent you'll get flamed alot :|


I tried, feel free to correct me if I haven't. Oh, and forget Robin - any argument based on criticizing a person's levels is meaningless.



Flaming doesn't really bother me, I'm expecting a lot of it over this post. Earlier today at Spiders I was arguing with a level 77 about slayer. He said it was the best money maker, and you could make 'millions' with 99 with abby demons. I said that it was 300k an hour if you were lucky. He replied with 'yeah but u can get a wip'. I tried all sorts of arguments, and he repeated that line several times until I gave up. Some people I'd rather not waste my time arguing with. :|
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Slayer's a great way to train. You never really get bored, and you basically get free total levels. I know this is going to read as an insult, but to see someone with your stats. Almost all 99 melees with 76 slayer, it really disgusts me.






But the comment about my melee stats vs. slayer level - That's another thing I'm sick of. I choose to get far better XP and drops using methods other then slayer; why does that matter to you?



The fact that you were dumb enough to waste 100s of hours training slayer disgusts me. (Sarcastic irony, by the way... I realize that some people enjoy training slayer, and like I said I have no problem with that. I just don't like them saying that it is the best way to train combat) The same argument could be used for anything - to see someone with your stats only having 70 cooking, it disgusts me.






The thing is that a hard skill(hard being it takes a while) like slayer commands some respect. Cooking on the other hand can be trained insanely easily. If you have 76 slayer with 99 melees, it just shows you stayed in a spot and clicked your pots. Hell, you even said zombie monkeys requires "zero attention". I don't think parking at zombie monkeys, opening up another screen and watching family guy is worth anything.
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Slayer's a great way to train. You never really get bored, and you basically get free total levels. I know this is going to read as an insult, but to see someone with your stats. Almost all 99 melees with 76 slayer, it really disgusts me.






But the comment about my melee stats vs. slayer level - That's another thing I'm sick of. I choose to get far better XP and drops using methods other then slayer; why does that matter to you?



The fact that you were dumb enough to waste 100s of hours training slayer disgusts me. (Sarcastic irony, by the way... I realize that some people enjoy training slayer, and like I said I have no problem with that. I just don't like them saying that it is the best way to train combat) The same argument could be used for anything - to see someone with your stats only having 70 cooking, it disgusts me.






The thing is that a hard skill(hard being it takes a while) like slayer commands some respect. Cooking on the other hand can be trained insanely easily. If you have 76 slayer with 99 melees, it just shows you stayed in a spot and clicked your pots. Hell, you even said zombie monkeys requires "zero attention". I don't think parking at zombie monkeys, opening up another screen and watching family guy is worth anything.


So your insulting me for not having a high slayer level? L0L nice runecrafting level nub. And hunter. And smithing. And agility. And herblore. And prayer. And total level. And blah blah blah. Just because someone chooses to train a faster, easier way does NOT mean you should insult them.



Sorry, I'm off my high horse. Seriously, using my 76 slayer as an insult kind of annoys me. I choose to train my combat faster and with less effort; you chose to train it more slowly and work harder for it. It's your choice; I'm not saying anything bad about it, and you shouldn't be insulting mine. New subject, please. :?
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Ha i knew you were going to attack my total. It's what I would've done. :thumbup: That wasn't an insult though. Here's the thing though, I admit, my total is disgusting. I fully admit that. But so is a low slayer with high melees.
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two, eight, and seven. Interesting post, reminds me of why I used to post in rants so much more ;)



It's hard to pick where to start with this TBH, but I'll say first off that I'm a huge slayer fan and will remain so probably until I max melee. I HAVE tried zombie monkies with prayer pots, the exp is incredible, yes, I got 96-99 attack in ~5 days there. But I don't play this game to see my stats increase, I play for fun and slayer provides that for me. You addressed that, so I won't continue on it.



My tasks went something like: Iron dragons, for the 1000th time, (skip, 41 points left), 60 steel dragons (skip, 11 points left), Mithril Dragons (Can't skip, 11 points left). I spent way too much time trying to kill mith dragons before realizing that it really wasn't worth it.


I've had a similar thing happen to me before, it's irratating but avoidable. Firstly, the obvious blacklist is there and helps plenty if you use it well. Many people blacklist tasks they hate the most, such as wyverns. This is actually quite stupid - lets say you have 5 certain tasks that you hate and will not do under any circumstance, for the ease of reference lets say they're gargoyles, wyverns, steel drags, iron drags and bronze dragons. Which do you blacklist? The immediate reaction would be to black list the ones you hate the most (lets say you hate gargoyles the MOST), leaving the one you hate the least, lets say iron drags, to be skipped with points. The most effective thing to blacklist are GARGOYLES because they are MUCH more frequent tasks then iron dragons (even if it's not true in your experience, it's just an example). This will save you many many slayer points and in turn much money. You were in the mistake of not keeping a safe cushion of points to skip tasks, thus you had to pay the price of completing some unwanted tasks.



Ah, but slayer is easier, right? No, zombie monkies is standing there clicking a prayer pot every couple of minutes, and running a few squares away and back so that the monkies are aggressive again. You can literally read a book and turn your attention to RS for a few seconds every couple of minutes. Slayer means constantly running around and attacking monsters, or piety switching if you want to train prayer.

Danger: Slayer is fairly dangerous; I've lost several dozen million to it, quite a bit from metal dragons. Not paying attention and letting your prayer run out can result in nasty things happening to you.


I'd argue that slayer is much much safer. I haven't died to a monster for over 2 years (estimate) but just a few weeks ago I dc'ed at monkies and died. DC's at monkies are a big threat because they will eat you alive if your prayer doesn't last. I lost 500k-ish worth of pots and nearly lost my berserker ring and god cloak (my pile disappeared just as I got to it - no gravestone when you DC).



The last argument I hear is that if some new item comes out with a high slayer requirement, you can make a lot of money. Which is sort of true, but not a viable argument. Whips were one exception; no one had the slayer level when they came out, and the first people to 85 slayer made a massive amount of money. Dark bows did OK, but few people really had a good strategy for killing dark beasts, the bows were rare, and they dropped like a rock. Put the letters two, eight, and seven in the first three digits of your reply to prove you actually read what I typed. Dragon boots had the same problem, and dropped very quickly, but they remained a decent money maker until recently. However, those perks for the first day or two that items come out will never come close to making up for the fact that you were earning 50k an hour for all those hundreds of hours of training - you could have made more money then you would ever spend by doing something other then slayer for the time.


I'll agree with this on the terms of hoping for new monsters. While I'd really like a new slayer monster I know getting my hopes up is just asking for a disappointment. However many people fail to see that the real profit from slayer comes not from the fancy whip & dragon boot drops but from the monsters that you kill in training slayer. The slayer mask makes certain profitable monster viable to train on. For example (a pretty bad one, but I can't be bothered thinking of a good one), abby demons are usually horrid xp but a slayer makes them decent exp while also good money (people seem to act like the only way to profit from abby demons is getting a whip drop, which is very much so wrong). I like to keep loot from 10-20 tasks in my bank and then sell it to see how much money I gain each time - I normally make nearly 1m from those 10-20 tasks and if I get lucky (a whip drop or multiple spirit mage tasks) I can make upwards of 2m. For casual training, that's quite a nice reward.



Slayer is downright horrible for training range.


No argument here, slayer highly favours melee, which can be a big downside to any rangers out there.



Lastly there's the arguement that levels are levels and if you're a maxed player who has lvl ~50 slayer, it's really going to hurt you badly if your going to try to get the highest total level you can. When people compare exp at a spot such as zombie monkies vs. slayer, they almost ALWAYS forget to add in the slayer exp which is worth it's weight in gold.
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I love you. Your completely right.



I hate slayer. Always did, always will. I agree with everything in the post. It just sucks for XP.
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two, eight, and seven. Interesting post, reminds me of why I used to post in rants so much more ;)



It's hard to pick where to start with this TBH, but I'll say first off that I'm a huge slayer fan and will remain so probably until I max melee. I HAVE tried zombie monkies with prayer pots, the exp is incredible, yes, I got 96-99 attack in ~5 days there. But I don't play this game to see my stats increase, I play for fun and slayer provides that for me. You addressed that, so I won't continue on it.



My tasks went something like: Iron dragons, for the 1000th time, (skip, 41 points left), 60 steel dragons (skip, 11 points left), Mithril Dragons (Can't skip, 11 points left). I spent way too much time trying to kill mith dragons before realizing that it really wasn't worth it.


I've had a similar thing happen to me before, it's irratating but avoidable. Firstly, the obvious blacklist is there and helps plenty if you use it well. Many people blacklist tasks they hate the most, such as wyverns. This is actually quite stupid - lets say you have 5 certain tasks that you hate and will not do under any circumstance, for the ease of reference lets say they're gargoyles, wyverns, steel drags, iron drags and bronze dragons. Which do you blacklist? The immediate reaction would be to black list the ones you hate the most (lets say you hate gargoyles the MOST), leaving the one you hate the least, lets say iron drags, to be skipped with points. The most effective thing to blacklist are GARGOYLES because they are MUCH more frequent tasks then iron dragons (even if it's not true in your experience, it's just an example). This will save you many many slayer points and in turn much money. You were in the mistake of not keeping a safe cushion of points to skip tasks, thus you had to pay the price of completing some unwanted tasks.



Ah, but slayer is easier, right? No, zombie monkies is standing there clicking a prayer pot every couple of minutes, and running a few squares away and back so that the monkies are aggressive again. You can literally read a book and turn your attention to RS for a few seconds every couple of minutes. Slayer means constantly running around and attacking monsters, or piety switching if you want to train prayer.

Danger: Slayer is fairly dangerous; I've lost several dozen million to it, quite a bit from metal dragons. Not paying attention and letting your prayer run out can result in nasty things happening to you.


I'd argue that slayer is much much safer. I haven't died to a monster for over 2 years (estimate) but just a few weeks ago I dc'ed at monkies and died. DC's at monkies are a big threat because they will eat you alive if your prayer doesn't last. I lost 500k-ish worth of pots and nearly lost my berserker ring and god cloak (my pile disappeared just as I got to it - no gravestone when you DC).



The last argument I hear is that if some new item comes out with a high slayer requirement, you can make a lot of money. Which is sort of true, but not a viable argument. Whips were one exception; no one had the slayer level when they came out, and the first people to 85 slayer made a massive amount of money. Dark bows did OK, but few people really had a good strategy for killing dark beasts, the bows were rare, and they dropped like a rock. Put the letters two, eight, and seven in the first three digits of your reply to prove you actually read what I typed. Dragon boots had the same problem, and dropped very quickly, but they remained a decent money maker until recently. However, those perks for the first day or two that items come out will never come close to making up for the fact that you were earning 50k an hour for all those hundreds of hours of training - you could have made more money then you would ever spend by doing something other then slayer for the time.


I'll agree with this on the terms of hoping for new monsters. While I'd really like a new slayer monster I know getting my hopes up is just asking for a disappointment. However many people fail to see that the real profit from slayer comes not from the fancy whip & dragon boot drops but from the monsters that you kill in training slayer. The slayer mask makes certain profitable monster viable to train on. For example (a pretty bad one, but I can't be bothered thinking of a good one), abby demons are usually horrid xp but a slayer makes them decent exp while also good money (people seem to act like the only way to profit from abby demons is getting a whip drop, which is very much so wrong). I like to keep loot from 10-20 tasks in my bank and then sell it to see how much money I gain each time - I normally make nearly 1m from those 10-20 tasks and if I get lucky (a whip drop or multiple spirit mage tasks) I can make upwards of 2m. For casual training, that's quite a nice reward.



Slayer is downright horrible for training range.


No argument here, slayer highly favours melee, which can be a big downside to any rangers out there.



Lastly there's the arguement that levels are levels and if you're a maxed player who has lvl ~50 slayer, it's really going to hurt you badly if your going to try to get the highest total level you can. When people compare exp at a spot such as zombie monkies vs. slayer, they almost ALWAYS forget to add in the slayer exp which is worth it's weight in gold.


Sir, you have just regenerated my faith in Tip.it's community. You need to post here more.



I've had a similar thing happen to me before, it's irratating but avoidable. Firstly, the obvious blacklist is there and helps plenty if you use it well. Many people blacklist tasks they hate the most, such as wyverns. This is actually quite stupid - lets say you have 5 certain tasks that you hate and will not do under any circumstance, for the ease of reference lets say they're gargoyles, wyverns, steel drags, iron drags and bronze dragons. Which do you blacklist? The immediate reaction would be to black list the ones you hate the most (lets say you hate gargoyles the MOST), leaving the one you hate the least, lets say iron drags, to be skipped with points. The most effective thing to blacklist are GARGOYLES because they are MUCH more frequent tasks then iron dragons (even if it's not true in your experience, it's just an example). This will save you many many slayer points and in turn much money. You were in the mistake of not keeping a safe cushion of points to skip tasks, thus you had to pay the price of completing some unwanted tasks.


See, I had just bought my slayer mask, which I found almost imperative - I thought a cushion of 71 points would be reasonable, seeings how I already had 3 blacklisted tasks and the next task would be my 50th, with the corresponding points bonus =P~



There are really a lot of garbage slayer tasks, though. I won't go into details, but I hate many of the slayer monsters - black demons, kalphites, dagganoths - the ones that are considered 'good', I can hardly stand.



I'd argue that slayer is much much safer. I haven't died to a monster for over 2 years (estimate) but just a few weeks ago I dc'ed at monkies and died. DC's at monkies are a big threat because they will eat you alive if your prayer doesn't last. I lost 500k-ish worth of pots and nearly lost my berserker ring and god cloak (my pile disappeared just as I got to it - no gravestone when you DC).


I can't agree with you there. I have died numerous times at slayer, including from reasons as stuipd as bringing a zammy book instead of dragonfire shield to metal dragons when maging (Bye bye ahrims, infinity boots, and several million in runes). Keep your prayer near its highest level, drinking whenever you're down however many points your prayer pots heal makes DCing mean nothing, and even if you do die it's not that bad. Your items DO stay the full 5 minutes when you DC, and you should be able to get back in well under a minute - all you have to do is withdraw the runes for ape atoll tele + the teleport of your choice, tele there, and pray melee while you run down and grab your stuff. If I die in my outfit, I lose rune defender (ouch), nezinot helm + proslyte, dragon boots, and HP cape, along with a few various and sundry items worth very little. Rune defender is painful, but so far I haven't had a problem, and I've got plenty of spares. All the rest are easily earned back in under an hour. Oh, and I carry a ring of life - which makes the chances of dying upon DC, prayer runout, and constant hitting less then 1/2, as the monkey's max hit is 14 and my ROL will tele me out at 9 hp or lower. Taking berserker is a big no no, in my opinion. Ring of life has saved me roughly 30m over the years, I'm a big fan :<img src=:' />





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two, eight, and seven. Interesting post, reminds me of why I used to post in rants so much more ;)



It's hard to pick where to start with this TBH, but I'll say first off that I'm a huge slayer fan and will remain so probably until I max melee. I HAVE tried zombie monkies with prayer pots, the exp is incredible, yes, I got 96-99 attack in ~5 days there. But I don't play this game to see my stats increase, I play for fun and slayer provides that for me. You addressed that, so I won't continue on it.



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My tasks went something like: Iron dragons, for the 1000th time, (skip, 41 points left), 60 steel dragons (skip, 11 points left), Mithril Dragons (Can't skip, 11 points left). I spent way too much time trying to kill mith dragons before realizing that it really wasn't worth it.



I've had a similar thing happen to me before, it's irratating but avoidable. Firstly, the obvious blacklist is there and helps plenty if you use it well. Many people blacklist tasks they hate the most, such as wyverns. This is actually quite stupid - lets say you have 5 certain tasks that you hate and will not do under any circumstance, for the ease of reference lets say they're gargoyles, wyverns, steel drags, iron drags and bronze dragons. Which do you blacklist? The immediate reaction would be to black list the ones you hate the most (lets say you hate gargoyles the MOST), leaving the one you hate the least, lets say iron drags, to be skipped with points. The most effective thing to blacklist are GARGOYLES because they are MUCH more frequent tasks then iron dragons (even if it's not true in your experience, it's just an example). This will save you many many slayer points and in turn much money. You were in the mistake of not keeping a safe cushion of points to skip tasks, thus you had to pay the price of completing some unwanted tasks.



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Ah, but slayer is easier, right? No, zombie monkies is standing there clicking a prayer pot every couple of minutes, and running a few squares away and back so that the monkies are aggressive again. You can literally read a book and turn your attention to RS for a few seconds every couple of minutes. Slayer means constantly running around and attacking monsters, or piety switching if you want to train prayer.

Danger: Slayer is fairly dangerous; I've lost several dozen million to it, quite a bit from metal dragons. Not paying attention and letting your prayer run out can result in nasty things happening to you.



I'd argue that slayer is much much safer. I haven't died to a monster for over 2 years (estimate) but just a few weeks ago I dc'ed at monkies and died. DC's at monkies are a big threat because they will eat you alive if your prayer doesn't last. I lost 500k-ish worth of pots and nearly lost my berserker ring and god cloak (my pile disappeared just as I got to it - no gravestone when you DC).



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The last argument I hear is that if some new item comes out with a high slayer requirement, you can make a lot of money. Which is sort of true, but not a viable argument. Whips were one exception; no one had the slayer level when they came out, and the first people to 85 slayer made a massive amount of money. Dark bows did OK, but few people really had a good strategy for killing dark beasts, the bows were rare, and they dropped like a rock. Put the letters two, eight, and seven in the first three digits of your reply to prove you actually read what I typed. Dragon boots had the same problem, and dropped very quickly, but they remained a decent money maker until recently. However, those perks for the first day or two that items come out will never come close to making up for the fact that you were earning 50k an hour for all those hundreds of hours of training - you could have made more money then you would ever spend by doing something other then slayer for the time.



I'll agree with this on the terms of hoping for new monsters. While I'd really like a new slayer monster I know getting my hopes up is just asking for a disappointment. However many people fail to see that the real profit from slayer comes not from the fancy whip & dragon boot drops but from the monsters that you kill in training slayer. The slayer mask makes certain profitable monster viable to train on. For example (a pretty bad one, but I can't be bothered thinking of a good one), abby demons are usually horrid xp but a slayer makes them decent exp while also good money (people seem to act like the only way to profit from abby demons is getting a whip drop, which is very much so wrong). I like to keep loot from 10-20 tasks in my bank and then sell it to see how much money I gain each time - I normally make nearly 1m from those 10-20 tasks and if I get lucky (a whip drop or multiple spirit mage tasks) I can make upwards of 2m. For casual training, that's quite a nice reward.


See, it's covered - I firmly believe that 50k an hour is a good estimate of the profit, and have figured that into my calculations.





Lastly there's the arguement that levels are levels and if you're a maxed player who has lvl ~50 slayer, it's really going to hurt you badly if your going to try to get the highest total level you can. When people compare exp at a spot such as zombie monkies vs. slayer, they almost ALWAYS forget to add in the slayer exp which is worth it's weight in gold.




That's true, if your going for total levels it is probably worth it to train slayer in the mid 70-80s. However, the XP from slayer is only 1/4th that of melee XP, or 12.5k an hour - making the total 62.5k per hour, still far short of zombie monkies 110k.



As for the first part of your post, I can hardly believe my eyes. I would have sworn no one would put that in their post. No one, and I mean no one, reads the whole post these days. You really need to spend more time on Tip.it :shock:
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I love you. Your completely right.



I hate slayer. Always did, always will. I agree with everything in the post. It just sucks for XP.


This is a record. The first postive post of yours I've ever seen on one of my threads :-# (Nothing personal, you like to point out faults :) )



Oh, and the first part of your post also stuns me.
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Range is easy peasy on fire giants and turoths, and ive had rangeable tasks for my last 5 tasks!

Turoth, fire giant, turoth, turoth, blue drags.



Anyway, it makes you focus on the xp you get in slayer so you basically tell yourself, hmm its not that much i'll get the slayer level; and this is how its 'quick'. Probably because it occupies you so you dont get bored, hence the "you go kill these thingz nao"



I guess for some they dont see it that way :/



@Robin, dude, dont go round bashing cooking and saying slayer is hard. Its killing things, which is the same thing as melee, range and certain mage.



Its basically not even a skill, more like an occupant to combat, to help you be un-bored. :lol:



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What you say is totally contradicting yourself.



You have high melee stats and high summoning and low slayer. The amount of time it takes to train melee and summoning separately at the fastest rates is almost as fast as training slayer.



And as far as money-making goes, abbysals are pretty much one of the best non-boss monsters for cash.


No, it's not. Slayer is very very bad summoning XP.



Abyssals are OK for cash, I guess, if your counting non boss monsters for combat. Still nowhere near the best, though. I get 40k melee XP and 600k profit from green dragons, plus a decent amount of charms. Avansies are ~400k profit and ~40k range XP an hour. From what I hear, abyssals really are not good for camping, but a nice perk on task. Good point about the summoning, but you really don't get that many charms for slayer. Some tasks drop a lot, but most only drop a few, and the ones that do are mostly gold. (Bleh at higher levels)
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Range is easy peasy on fire giants and turoths, and ive had rangeable tasks for my last 5 tasks!

Turoth, fire giant, turoth, turoth, blue drags.



Anyway, it makes you focus on the xp you get in slayer so you basically tell yourself, hmm its not that much i'll get the slayer level; and this is how its 'quick'. Probably because it occupies you so you dont get bored, hence the "you go kill these thingz nao"



I guess for some they dont see it that way :/



@Robin, dude, dont go round bashing cooking and saying slayer is hard. Its killing things, which is the same thing as melee, range and certain mage.



Its basically not even a skill, more like an occupant to combat, to help you be un-bored. :lol:



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Please, do yourself a favor and don't range slayer :wall:

I'm at Spiders as I type this post, getting 65k XP an hour for virtually no cost. It's not boring at all.

That's an interesting argument, I guess. But your saying the XP 'seems' faster; in reality it isn't, your just not looking at it as often. From the 'hours to 99' standpoint, your XP is still way slower then other methods. An interesting argument, though.
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I tank turoths, and safe fire giants AND safe sometimes melee blue drags



Turoths < Range

Turoths > Melee

soz



i know in reality it isnt but it gives the effect. You wanna keep slaying to get the level/s, thus getting more xp in process right? so you stay training longer i guess...



Lots of people dont have the patience to stay at 1 place for ages to get xp so they do slayer to keep a variety.



And if you didnt know, slayer monsters are the things that drop heaps of charms. ;)
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I tank turoths, and safe fire giants AND safe sometimes melee blue drags



Turoths < Range

Turoths > Melee

soz



i know in reality it isnt but it gives the effect. You wanna keep slaying to get the level/s, thus getting more xp in process right? so you stay training longer i guess...



Lots of people dont have the patience to stay at 1 place for ages to get xp so they do slayer to keep a variety.



And if you didnt know, slayer monsters are the things that drop heaps of charms. ;)


I guess... I have the patience though, seeings how I just hit logon and let my character do the work for me, so that when I actually play I can do the fun stuff =P~



Slayer is bad charms. I did a LOT of testing before deciding to barrage rock lobsters for 88 summoning, and the horrible XP and drops from slayer make the measly amount of charms pale in comparison. And at 180k mage and 80k HP XP\Hour, I maxed out mage and HP quite nicely. Which was great, considering that I hated training mage before that.
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Well grats on finding the biggest cash drain in magic.



I never did say slayer was good for charms. I said that the monsters are the ones who supposedly drop lots of charms



(which they do)?
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