Owned_Nex Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 . Guide to Efficiency Some notes before the bulk of the guide: 1: This guide has no pictures. Everything is self-explanatory. No hide tags either. 2: I will try to be as unbiased as possible. 3: This guide is focused on the most money/exp. You might not be after money, but money buys everything. Plus it will give you an idea of what you need to do. 4: A lot of examples are given. Be smart. Figure it out. Table of Contents: 1. Introduction 2. What is efficiency? 3. What is self sufficient 4. Some common mistakes 1. Introduction You are probably in this guide to find out what is mathematically the most efficient way to do something. Weather it is making money, skills, or both, you will find this in this guide. Some of this stuff may seem like common sense, but most people need reminding. 2: What is efficiency? The definition is competency in performance. The most effective way of doing something. In the guide, we are focusing on the most money and EXP. The first step in understanding efficiency is the saying time is money. Time is the BIGGEST factor in efficiency. Another is your level in skills, money, and combat level/stats. Another thing you must overcome is to ALLOW spending. Sometimes, you will make back even more money. Something that is efficient for one person MAY not be efficient for everybody. It depends on the account. (Money made per hour from method 1 - method 2)(Amount of experience gained from method 2/ method 1) Thanks for the formula. Easier to understand then mine. THE THREE FACTORS OF EFFICIENCY ARE :::TIME:::INCOME:::STATS::: A simple example: You are a lvl 133. You decide to get a nice cool house, you have hundreds of millions, and a very reliable money source. To get 99 construction, the person can either a) chop trees, turn into planks, build larders to 99 B) buy logs, turn into planks, build larders to 99 c) buy planks, build larders to 99. The answer here is c, buy the planks an build larders. Why? Well, in the time you save from a or b, you could have made even more money in that time. It would have taken MUCH more time chopping and planking yourself even though you saved money. Remember, you are a lvl 133. You have a very high money source. Another example: You are a level 25. You are f2p, and are just starting out, with not much income. You want some food to train with. After calculating the most efficient food, you decide to go for salmon. You can either a) fish and cook B) buy fish and cook In this example, the answer is a, fish and cook. Sure, you would save time buying the fish, but you will spend more money then the money you could have made with the time saved. This way, you get more exp and save more cash. 3: What is self sufficient Self-sufficiency is just what it sounds like. Being completely self-sufficient. Someone who is self-sufficient would do EVERYTHING for themselves, and not spending any money. Now, this sounds like a good idea. You are making money and not spending. obviously the way to goright? WRONG. Look at the first example. You are making money, and saving money, but you use more of TIME. Time=Money. In the time you wasted, you could have made more money. Example #1 You are a lvl 91 Rcer. SAY you can mine 1k pure essence a hour. SAY you can craft 1k nature runes a hour. SAY the price of Natures:300 P Ess: 100 Would you: a) Mine ess, craft natures B) Buy ess, craft natures The answer is b, buy the ess and craft natures. Why? Ess is worth less than nature runes. So every hour, you spend 1k*(price of pure essence). For the natures you craft, subtract the cost of pure essence from them. You still make a profit! And one thats bigger than the price of pure essence. Doing this, in two hours, you would make 400k. You make 600k worth of natures, but spend 200k worth of pure essence. Now, what if you mined and then crafted: In two hours, you would make 300k. But wait! Why not 400k. You mined the ess yourself. That is 100k right there!! Wrong. You USED the essence to make the nature runes. They are gone. So by mining, you get half the RC experience, and make less money. You be the judge. So is self-sufficiency stupid and useless? No. Say you wanted to get 99 fletch and prove you are a no-lifer. You could either a) cut logs, pick flax, spin flax, make bows, string bows B) buy logs, pick lax, spin flax, make bows, string bws c) buy log, buy flax, spin flax, make bows, string bows d) buy logs, buy bow string, make bows, string bows Because you loose money(logs are worth more than bows), you might not have enough money to buy the logs, and cannot make much money. IF you cant make more money normally then the time it takes to gather all the supplies, then go right ahead. In this case, get some of all of the materials yourself. Calculate what you can and cannot afford depending on your income. 4: Common mistakes There are many mistakes people can make while calculating efficiency. Here are just a few. 1: Math error. Did you multiply, divide, add, subtract, or something wrong? Be SURE to double check. It could hurt you in the future. A calculator to check helps. 2: Deciding your income could be a hard thing. You might make 400k an hour, then make 100k the next. You must find the average. Average is total profit/ total time. Consider if what you are doing can be kept up CONSTANTLY. You cant be constantly at Arma getting hilts every hour. 3: Prices. Prices WILL fluctuate. Always check them, as something efficient to you one day might not be the next. Be especially careful to those near your efficiency line. 4: Demand and production. If you are buying something, make sure you can easily buy it. Dont calculate something at middle price then find out you can only buy it at max. For cheaper items, go to the Grand Exchange, and put a offer in at minimum, middle, and max. See how long it takes to get the buy. That should tell you about how much you should estimate it to be. 5: Grand Exchange. Having an offer in the in game queue to buy is good. When an offer is posted, you will be ahead. Buy items a few percent of GP ahead of what you are buying at. A single GP could be the difference between getting it instantly and a week later. 6: Buyablility. Can you buy that item at middle or less GE prices? Don't spent 10 min calculating then realize you have to buy at max. Buy a couple(1-3) and see if you can actually buy at the price you think. That is all I can think of at the moment. Pease leave CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. I probably need it. Pointing out mistakes helps as well. If you want to talk to me, PM me in game pantim. My PM is usually on. I also AM a nerd who plays chess, so dont be surprised to see that as my world. I kindly ask you NOT to PM me if I am playing chess. I will not answer, as I am concentrating on the game. Any flame will be reported.[/size] BTW: If you are using terrorbird, and want to use a scroll while running, click the button to activate the scroll, THEN click on "call pet". Guarenteed to work unless the bird gets trapped or you are too slow. Kinda off topic, but I am bothered by the people that have to stop, call pet, and scroll. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 9, 2008 Author Share Posted November 9, 2008 Almost 100 views and no posts :P Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Ryan20 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 nice guide, common knowedge to some, but to others this is some great info to learn \ edit: i just noticed we join on the same day 1 year apart 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdtaereo Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Well, most of here is common sense, but it is really good to the most. Efficiency ftw 9/10 @santana_raphaelI'm retired from Runescape due to my really bad connection, maybe coming back soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 It is true most is common sense, but some people can't apply it to anything. I laugh at those 91 RCers that mine their own ess. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tijger2099 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 All very obvious but apparently to many of my friends this seems to make no sense to them whenever I try to explain to them they'd be better of using their best money source and then buy the supplies for something they want to train rather then getting it themselves. Very nice guide and helpful for those who are too tunnelvisioned about self sufficiency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 So true. I will probably be adding tidbits of info in the future. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halo475 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 It would be more efficient to buy and cook salmon for cooking even for a level 25 since you only lose 4gp a salmon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 But you must factor in burns and such. Plus, for a lvl 25, making even a little money is hard. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meme79 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 on top of that the fish xp, and free to play lvl 25 you probly wont have any more then 20k then, unless you have played before or a friend gives you cash... XBL gamertag: SeismicTriangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 12, 2008 Author Share Posted November 12, 2008 Thats true too. To most 5k-10k won't seem like much, but I remember getting past the 10k mark very late into my leveling. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inuashakent Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 A lot of it is common sense, but this could be useful to those who ignore math. You seem to have forgotten the most important part of the guide, which is the formula. (Money made per hour from method 1 - method 2)(Amount of experience gained from method 2/ method 1) If you make more money per hour than that, go to the location with the higher xp income. If Method 1 or 2 gives higher efficiency in both experience and xp, then the other location is useless, and should not be used in any occasion. This took a bit of thinking, beleive it or not... You don't have to quote it, you can just put it in your guide if you want. [Summoning guide (AOW)] [Slayer guide] [Melee & Brawl player] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayOxide Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 It took a bit of thinking to say that training at a place that has epic xp if you want a level is better than training at a place with bad xp but nice drops? Say the quick way will take 2 hrs, Slow way will take 5 hrs, You make ~250k by the Slow way, You make ~000k by the Quick way. I think its kinda easy to make 250k in 3 hours! :D I dont need a siggy no moar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Jay99 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Making a guide about efficiency isn't efficient at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 12, 2008 Author Share Posted November 12, 2008 Not for me, no. Sure I could have been doing something instead, but I feel like there is a need. But there are little kids out there that don't understant this stuff. There are also adults who don't think about it in the correct way. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 12, 2008 Author Share Posted November 12, 2008 A lot of it is common sense, but this could be useful to those who ignore math. You seem to have forgotten the most important part of the guide, which is the formula. (Money made per hour from method 1 - method 2)(Amount of experience gained from method 2/ method 1) If you make more money per hour than that, go to the location with the higher xp income. If Method 1 or 2 gives higher efficiency in both experience and xp, then the other location is useless, and should not be used in any occasion. This took a bit of thinking, beleive it or not... You don't have to quote it, you can just put it in your guide if you want. Thanks. I'll just quote it anyways. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 500+ views...and little comments make me sad. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danqazmlp Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Just pointing out you read efficiency wrong, missed the 'i' before the 'e' in the title. You forgot to factor fun into the equation though, which kinda rules me out of anything this guide says. Good guide none-the-less though. Want to be my friend? Look under my name to the left<<< and click the 'Add as friend' button!Big thanks to Stevepole for the signature!^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 Just pointing out you read efficiency wrong, missed the 'i' before the 'e' in the title. You forgot to factor fun into the equation though, which kinda rules me out of anything this guide says. Good guide none-the-less though. I spelled it correctly. Maybe you misread? Although the fun factor does overrule everything, this guide is for people who want to do things more efficiently, and worry about fun later Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2004_artemis Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Unless I misread, it looks like you made a mathematical mistake in example 1. You said that a person with 91 runecrafting would make 600k worth of nature runes in two hours crafting 1k natures an hour. I assumed that by crafting 1k natures you meant 1k pure essence EARNING you 2k natures. If so, then that person would make 1200k worth of nature runes in two hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danqazmlp Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Pantim's Simple Guide to Efficency Nope you spelt it wrong in the title, in the main body you spelt it right but i guess you made a typo in the title. Want to be my friend? Look under my name to the left<<< and click the 'Add as friend' button!Big thanks to Stevepole for the signature!^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted November 22, 2008 Author Share Posted November 22, 2008 Oh title NVM. I thought u ment in the text. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubercatz Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 20 attk 25 str any training suggestions f2p? I 1 hit Chuck Norris with MY BARE HANDS!98% of rs players have attempted a scam. If your one of the 2% who havent, copy this into your sig..hi guyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walka92 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 nice guide, but pretty much common knowledge 20 attk 25 str any training suggestions f2p? not exactly the place for that kinda question but....id say cows. or monks in edgy monastary coz they can heal you between fights I'm gonna be walking down an alley in varrock, and walka is going to walk up to me in a trench coat and say "psst.. hey man, wanna buy some sara brew"walka92- retired with 99 in attack, strength, defence, health, magic, ranged, prayer and herblore and 137 combat. some day i may return to claim 138 combat, but alas, that time has not yet come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned_Nex Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Agreed. Train Atk Str and Def to 5 at chickens. Move on to cows until 10 in all. Monks or things is SoS until 25. Dungeoneering isn't a skill. I'm faster than bots at Sorceress Garden. PM me if you want to chat. My PM is always off. My keyboard is on fire. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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