members noobs ftw...

[compfreak847]

Nowdays, F2P has such a bad rap. I'm sure that countless people looking at Runescape for the first time have read all sorts of garbage that's posted about the F2P version of the game. That being the case, we're getting more-and-more first-time players signing directly up for members. They haven't had time to "learn the ropes," if you will, and are unsure of what's accepted, mature behavior!

 

Excuse me? Since when does Runescape teach 'accepted, mature behavior', and how is a week or two of FTP going to change that? It's a simple matter of physical changes in the human body, with the brain maturing and judgment improving. I really don't think 'quicker to become members' is a huge reason, unless people were waiting a few years for themselves to mature before becoming PTP :|

[Tim_Tam_Tan_Tien]

Excuse me? Since when does Runescape teach 'accepted, mature behavior', and how is a week or two of FTP going to change that? :|

 

A few Weeks? I believe i stayed in non members for about 5 months, after that time i decided i wasn't going to get a whole lot better if i wasn't a member. One thing i do remeber though is that whenever a member appeared innon members, they would always be polite and couteous. No matter how many "Zomgfgjbfo!!!222 whats r thet pl8!??!?!" they would always answer in a simple and nice way. Thats how i learnt what was accepted generally by the community.

[compfreak847]

Excuse me? Since when does Runescape teach 'accepted, mature behavior', and how is a week or two of FTP going to change that? :|

 

A few Weeks? I believe i stayed in non members for about 5 months, after that time i decided i wasn't going to get a whole lot better if i wasn't a member. One thing i do remeber though is that whenever a member appeared innon members, they would always be polite and couteous. No matter how many "Zomgfgjbfo!!!222 whats r thet pl8!??!?!" they would always answer in a simple and nice way. Thats how i learnt what was accepted generally by the community.

 

So 5 months of FTP instead of members taught you moral values, respect, and maturity not only in runescape but the forums and any other facet of runescape? We should inform doctors of this new method of speeding frontal lobe development, which usually doesn't reach full maturity until 25 years of age or older. Amazing what playing FTP instead of PTP can do.

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

FTP isn't going to make you more mature any more then PTP is. So saying that the community is gone downhill because people become members faster is completely wrong.

[Serpent Eye]

Nowdays, F2P has such a bad rap. I'm sure that countless people looking at Runescape for the first time have read all sorts of garbage that's posted about the F2P version of the game. That being the case, we're getting more-and-more first-time players signing directly up for members. They haven't had time to "learn the ropes," if you will, and are unsure of what's accepted, mature behavior!

 

Excuse me? Since when does Runescape teach 'accepted, mature behavior', and how is a week or two of FTP going to change that? It's a simple matter of physical changes in the human body, with the brain maturing and judgment improving. I really don't think 'quicker to become members' is a huge reason, unless people were waiting a few years for themselves to mature before becoming PTP :|

 

 

 

:o This is shocking! You mean... you mean... I'll still grow older and more mature even if I don't play RS?! This is life-changing. To think, the entire time I was playing the game, I thought that I would stay forever young if I didn't get in my daily game play!

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

I was talking about behavior within the game. You can be a very mature person in real life, yet still show imature behavior while playing Runescape! I wasn't really talking about people being mature in real life.

 

 

 

What I was getting at was this: if you're new to the game, you're more likely going to run around asking people for free stuff, standing there and continually shouting "Anyone help plz anyone help plz," obnoxiously following higher-level players around, etc. etc. THIS is a sign of imaturity within the game. If you play for a few months or so, you're more likely to learn what's accepted (aka, NOT asking everyone with an orange-tinted level for 'free stuffz') behavior, and what is not.

 

 

 

More and more people are becoming members right off the bat, and hence, we are all experiencing their imature behavior while they learn the ropes of the game.

 

 

 

It's still so shocking... I can't believe I'll really grow older even if I don't play RS... :roll:

[compfreak847]

Nowdays, F2P has such a bad rap. I'm sure that countless people looking at Runescape for the first time have read all sorts of garbage that's posted about the F2P version of the game. That being the case, we're getting more-and-more first-time players signing directly up for members. They haven't had time to "learn the ropes," if you will, and are unsure of what's accepted, mature behavior!

 

Excuse me? Since when does Runescape teach 'accepted, mature behavior', and how is a week or two of FTP going to change that? It's a simple matter of physical changes in the human body, with the brain maturing and judgment improving. I really don't think 'quicker to become members' is a huge reason, unless people were waiting a few years for themselves to mature before becoming PTP :|

 

 

 

:o This is shocking! You mean... you mean... I'll still grow older and more mature even if I don't play RS?! This is life-changing. To think, the entire time I was playing the game, I thought that I would stay forever young if I didn't get in my daily game play!

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

I was talking about behavior within the game. You can be a very mature person in real life, yet still show imature behavior while playing Runescape! I wasn't really talking about people being mature in real life.

 

 

 

What I was getting at was this: if you're new to the game, you're more likely going to run around asking people for free stuff, standing there and continually shouting "Anyone help plz anyone help plz," obnoxiously following higher-level players around, etc. etc. THIS is a sign of imaturity within the game. If you play for a few months or so, you're more likely to learn what's accepted (aka, NOT asking everyone with an orange-tinted level for 'free stuffz') behavior, and what is not.

 

 

 

More and more people are becoming members right off the bat, and hence, we are all experiencing their imature behavior while they learn the ropes of the game.

 

 

 

It's still so shocking... I can't believe I'll really grow older even if I don't play RS... :roll:

 

I'm assuming you completely and utterly failed to comprehend my post, based on your last line. My point was: Being FTP instead of PTP isn't going to do anything to the rate you mature at.

 

 

 

And I wasn't talking about asking for free stuff; I haven't seen that in months in members. I'm talking about immature behavior. I consider it unlikely that a mature, reasonable adult is suddenly going to say 'dud i got mre ballz then u haha noob rofl', then after a few months of playing FTP instead of PTP learn to be a mature person in RS too.

[123_x_pac]

Define what noobs your talking about?Theres two different kinds:

 

 

 

Newb-New Person

 

Noob-Annoying Person

 

 

 

Now I don't know which ones your talking about since I've been f2p for a couple months now. But the last time I played on a members server, everyone was mature. I don't know where you see these "noobs" in p2p but I don't see alot. Except for the occasional arrogant pure.

[SwimmyTheDuck]

lol soap in the mouth over the internet.

 

 

 

sigged. :

 

 

 

 

Lucky you. It was the belt for me.

 

 

 

^ Yes.

[yanksrule]

i wake up at 6 in the morning. go to school until 2:10 go to work at 2:10 (at school) work until 7:30ish FOR NO MONEY (cue dun dun dun music). right now i put in more hours than my dad does. AND HE'S GETTING PAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:

 

 

 

i have to act serious through the entire day and have to show the sucking up person i sort of kinda am not.

 

 

 

i click world 27 and log on to get away from it all. if i should act immature in the game then, i'm sorry, that i might have offended you. i want to say childish things, slay dragons and light a green fire. are you saying that jagex is the most mature people in the world when it comes to our game content? have you ever done ONE SINGLE QUEST? it's a miracle they use correct punctuation with the dumb stuff they have you do and say.

 

 

 

i can understand when you want to talk to some one who's chill and doesn't throw the noob word every other sentence. i use commas, periods and i have firefox so i can spell check what i write. i think i've gone as far as i need to go with this maturity thing for internet.

 

 

 

take a gander at facebook, myspace, xanga etc. there's worse places than runescape 1337 speak my friend. unfortunately i'm friends with these people. as long as we'll have keyboards, we'll have immaturity and 1337 speak. i'm not saying get used to it because i acknowledge that this is a rant but i'm just stating- i know how you're feeling but know how WE feel.

[Skilling0wn]

 

UH OKAY!

 

 

 

I use my moms credit card. And i BET i get more balls than you do. :? Ranting about this.. *cough* childish *cough*

 

 

 

BTW, everyone that can and want to play runescape in a members world, should not have to ASK YOU to do it.

 

 

 

Point proven. Believe it or not, people enjoy being nostalgic every once in awhile. Comparing the way things used to be to what they've become, is actually very reasonable. I'm of the 20+ age category of people who can relate. If you talked like that when some of us were young, there'd be a belt or bar of soap with your name on it.

 

 

 

It's a simple lack of discipline in the current youth. Children think they can do what they want and don't have to worry about the ramifications. Doesn't leave much hope for the future, I'm afraid.

 

 

 

Another thing: It takes balls to play Russian roulette, but brains to know it's not worth the risk.

 

 

 

Im 19. And i have grew up with that kind of talk. Balls, meat and beer! :thumbsup:

[Serpent Eye]

I'm assuming you completely and utterly failed to comprehend my post, based on your last line. My point was: Being FTP instead of PTP isn't going to do anything to the rate you mature at.

 

 

 

And I wasn't talking about asking for free stuff; I haven't seen that in months in members. I'm talking about immature behavior. I consider it unlikely that a mature, reasonable adult is suddenly going to say 'dud i got mre ballz then u haha noob rofl', then after a few months of playing FTP instead of PTP learn to be a mature person in RS too.

 

 

 

The last line of my post was 400% sarcasm. /debate on that.

 

 

 

I see no point in continuing this. We clearly aren't getting our points through to each other clearly.

[ShadowTwisted]

 

UH OKAY!

 

 

 

I use my moms credit card. And i BET i get more balls than you do. :? Ranting about this.. *cough* childish *cough*

 

 

 

BTW, everyone that can and want to play runescape in a members world, should not have to ASK YOU to do it.

 

 

 

Point proven. Believe it or not, people enjoy being nostalgic every once in awhile. Comparing the way things used to be to what they've become, is actually very reasonable. I'm of the 20+ age category of people who can relate. If you talked like that when some of us were young, there'd be a belt or bar of soap with your name on it.

 

 

 

It's a simple lack of discipline in the current youth. Children think they can do what they want and don't have to worry about the ramifications. Doesn't leave much hope for the future, I'm afraid.

 

 

 

Another thing: It takes balls to play Russian roulette, but brains to know it's not worth the risk.

 

 

 

Im 19. And i have grew up with that kind of talk. Balls, meat and beer! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

I did say "some". Admittedly, there were a few lax parents out there. However, there wasn't much of the issue of discipline = child abuse that there is now. Nowadays, there's probably some parents out there that still use the old techniques, but the overall majority has changed.

[compfreak847]

I'm assuming you completely and utterly failed to comprehend my post, based on your last line. My point was: Being FTP instead of PTP isn't going to do anything to the rate you mature at.

 

 

 

And I wasn't talking about asking for free stuff; I haven't seen that in months in members. I'm talking about immature behavior. I consider it unlikely that a mature, reasonable adult is suddenly going to say 'dud i got mre ballz then u haha noob rofl', then after a few months of playing FTP instead of PTP learn to be a mature person in RS too.

 

 

 

The last line of my post was 400% sarcasm. /debate on that.

 

 

 

I see no point in continuing this. We clearly aren't getting our points through to each other clearly.

 

 

It's still so shocking... I can't believe I'll really grow older even if I don't play RS... :roll:

 

By that (obviously) sarcastic line, you inferred that I was saying that playing RS would make you older, the exact point I was arguing against. I'll state my point again:

 

Being FTP instead of PTP isn't going to do anything to the rate you mature at. Therefore, players becoming PTP 5 weeks earlier wouldn't do anything to the average maturity of RS players.

 

It's fine with me if you want to end this debate, but get your facts straight.

[Serpent Eye]

It's fine with me if you want to end this debate, but get your facts straight.

 

 

 

The whole point of a debate is for both parties to get their opinions out, and to have them be heard.

 

 

 

I disagree with you. But you're refusing to see my view as valid. I'm not wrong just because I disagree with you. Just because they're different than yours doesn't mean my facts aren't straight.

 

 

 

I believe that playing F2P for an extended period of time prior to signing up for P2P does cut back on the level of immaturity within the member servers.

 

 

 

People don't have to agree with my opinion, but they should certainly accept that it is a valid one.

[compfreak847]

It's fine with me if you want to end this debate, but get your facts straight.

 

 

 

The whole point of a debate is for both parties to get their opinions out, and to have them be heard.

 

 

 

I disagree with you. But you're refusing to see my view as valid. I'm not wrong just because I disagree with you. Just because they're different than yours doesn't mean my facts aren't straight.

 

 

 

I believe that playing F2P for an extended period of time prior to signing up for P2P does cut back on the level of immaturity within the member servers.

 

 

 

People don't have to agree with my opinion, but they should certainly accept that it is a valid one.

 

I wasn't talking about your opinion, I was talking about what you thought mine was.

 

 

 

My argument was this, for the 3rd time:

 

Player A plays for 5 weeks as FTP, then signs up for PTP

 

Player B plays for 5 weeks as PTP

 

 

 

Now, which one is more mature? Is player A suddenly going to be much more physically mature because he was FTP instead of PTP? You sarcastically said that you 'didn't know that you had to play runescape to mature', which was exactly the opposite of what I said; assuming, as you pointed out, that it was sarcasm, you agreed completely with me yet tried to argue.

[Serpent Eye]

I wasn't talking about your opinion, I was talking about what you thought mine was.

 

 

 

My argument was this, for the 3rd time:

 

Player A plays for 5 weeks as FTP, then signs up for PTP

 

Player B plays for 5 weeks as PTP

 

 

 

Now, which one is more mature? Is player A suddenly going to be much more physically mature because he was FTP instead of PTP? You sarcastically said that you 'didn't know that you had to play runescape to mature', which was exactly the opposite of what I said; assuming, as you pointed out, that it was sarcasm, you agreed completely with me yet tried to argue.

 

 

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

I believe Player A will be more mature.

 

 

 

I do not, however, believe either player will be more physically mature. This is a pointless suggestion. I CLEARLY know that sitting down at a computer and playing an online game does NOT make you mature physically at a greater speed. Physical maturity is all based off of biological factors. I understand this; I wasn't born yesterday.

 

 

 

Hence my sarcasm.

 

 

 

I suppose it all just got tangled up, because you seem to be talking about physical maturity, while I'm talking about emotional maturity.

[compfreak847]

I wasn't talking about your opinion, I was talking about what you thought mine was.

 

 

 

My argument was this, for the 3rd time:

 

Player A plays for 5 weeks as FTP, then signs up for PTP

 

Player B plays for 5 weeks as PTP

 

 

 

Now, which one is more mature? Is player A suddenly going to be much more physically mature because he was FTP instead of PTP? You sarcastically said that you 'didn't know that you had to play runescape to mature', which was exactly the opposite of what I said; assuming, as you pointed out, that it was sarcasm, you agreed completely with me yet tried to argue.

 

 

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

I believe Player A will be more mature.

 

 

 

I do not, however, believe either player will be more physically mature. This is a pointless suggestion. I CLEARLY know that sitting down at a computer and playing an online game does NOT make you mature physically at a greater speed. Physical maturity is all based off of biological factors. I understand this; I wasn't born yesterday.

 

 

 

Hence my sarcasm.

 

 

 

I suppose it all just got tangled up, because you seem to be talking about physical maturity, while I'm talking about emotional maturity.

 

I was talking about both, so I guess it was a double misunderstanding. You have your opinions, I have mine, now that that is straight. I still believe that you won't mature any faster in FTP vs PTP, not that 5 weeks is going to make a huge difference. RS isn't going to make a large impact on your emotional (or physical) maturity IMO.

[Lichking1]

idk maybe 2 years ago or so when i was playing last.. and was a member.. i loved having either the silent members or the down to earth guys.. everyone or mainly everyone had a great attitude tword.. much of everything... and with rs changing into a friggin lvl 99 speed race.. and little kids getting their mommas credit cards... we have n00bs in members now.. im sorry im still tryin to get hang of the change of the time gone...

 

 

 

Welcome back wa5t3d! Have some n00bs!!

 

 

 

You spoke my mind bro, I also wonder the same things.

[Kickthat]

My input on the debate currently going on between the two of you:

 

 

 

Maturity has nothing to do with it in my opinion, but knowledge does. Maturity of any "type" as compfreak847 says will not really be affected by playing the game. In my opinion, that will come with age.

 

 

 

However, with regards to your example, I think that it is much better to play as F2P first, as you steadily build up a knowledge of the game. To simply join members thrusts you into a game in which there are a massive range of choices, equipment and things to do. At least in F2p you are restricted and can take it slowly.

 

 

 

This is why new members can seem like noobs - they suddenly have a vast amount of things to discover and as a result always seem to know nothing - at least to those who have been members for a long time.

[compfreak847]

My input on the debate currently going on between the two of you:

 

 

 

Maturity has nothing to do with it in my opinion, but knowledge does. Maturity of any "type" as compfreak847 says will not really be affected by playing the game. In my opinion, that will come with age.

 

 

 

However, with regards to your example, I think that it is much better to play as F2P first, as you steadily build up a knowledge of the game. To simply join members thrusts you into a game in which there are a massive range of choices, equipment and things to do. At least in F2p you are restricted and can take it slowly.

 

 

 

This is why new members can seem like noobs - they suddenly have a vast amount of things to discover and as a result always seem to know nothing - at least to those who have been members for a long time.

 

See, the OP is complaining about immature noobs that just care about themselves and want to get 99s as fast as possible, not new players who don't know as much about the game. Your point is fair, though - but I'd guess that 5 weeks of PTP would teach them more about PTP armor\weapons then 5 weeks FTP.

[wa5t3dy0u7h]

It's fine with me if you want to end this debate, but get your facts straight.

 

 

 

The whole point of a debate is for both parties to get their opinions out, and to have them be heard.

 

 

 

 

 

*cough rants section cough* but i see the debate it sprawled into...

 

 

 

the OP is complaining about immature noobs that just care about themselves and want to get 99s as fast as possible, not new players who don't know as much about the game. Your point is fair, though - but I'd guess that 5 weeks of PTP would teach them more about PTP armor\weapons then 5 weeks FTP.

[compfreak847]

It's fine with me if you want to end this debate, but get your facts straight.

 

 

 

The whole point of a debate is for both parties to get their opinions out, and to have them be heard.

 

 

 

 

 

*cough rants section cough* but i see the debate it sprawled into...

 

 

 

the OP is complaining about immature noobs that just care about themselves and want to get 99s as fast as possible, not new players who don't know as much about the game. Your point is fair, though - but I'd guess that 5 weeks of PTP would teach them more about PTP armor\weapons then 5 weeks FTP.

 

All good rants do that, although this one is too opinion instead of fact based.

 

 

 

As for the last one, I'm not sure why your underling my words. I'm simply saying that his point, although valid, doesn't apply to this rant.

[The_Fray]

Ok I will say something first, kids will always be kids, often the best solution is to simply not deal with them at all. I do have a problem with supposedly older people who whenever they get into a debate with another person, often take things personally and attack others for their views. After drawing a few more people into this arguement, a perfectly normal conversation becomes a flame war with childish bickering. Yes the same supposedly mature people are out there flaming others and calling each other names. Such is a community that we have guys, tif is no longer anything but another representation of the RS community. I remember we use to value ourselves on being different than most of the community and back then we werent wrong but now days, there is no difference between us and the same majority of the RS community we used to laugh at back in the day. You may call out the kids as annoying but I find that i can forgive them a lot faster than the ones that actually understand the meaning of their insults.

[iurgh9u3gh98]

I think part of the problem is this: back in "our" day (I, too, am in the 20+ age group, and made my first character in 2001), we mostly started off as F2Pers. We played F2P until we got comfortable, and more knowledgable, with the game. Once we were confident enough in ourselves, we made the switch to members.

 

 

 

Nowdays, F2P has such a bad rap. I'm sure that countless people looking at Runescape for the first time have read all sorts of garbage that's posted about the F2P version of the game. That being the case, we're getting more-and-more first-time players signing directly up for members. They haven't had time to "learn the ropes," if you will, and are unsure of what's accepted, mature behavior!

 

 

 

Gone is the age of sophisticated, silent members!

 

 

 

And I actually don't see the issue that... uh, someone (forgetful, sorry!) brought up about people wanting you to add them when you show them the slightest bit of kindness. I'm always very helpful to other players, and give advice and items when I'm able. More than not, they in turn will ask me to add them to my friends list. I usually go ahead and do so! After a few days or so go by, if they just continue asking me for fr33 stuffz (one girl asked if I could give her 3k a day, every day) I'll add them to my ignore list.

 

 

 

However, on the rare occassion, these people stay on my friends list, and we become good buddies in-game!

 

 

 

This post almost completely covers everything I was going to say I also started out in f2p in 01 (maybe 02 cant ever remember) played for several years and didnt go members until I had learned about everything there was to about f2p and lots of stuff about p2p. I also usually add people when they ask me too and i had a similar experience about someone constantly asking for money until I added them to my ignore list. And I've met several people that have been nice and stayed my friends.

[Chicken102]

I apologize for my absence over the past few days, as I have forgotten to post on this thread (which I believe to have great

 

discussion capability).

 

 

 

I too, tend to add people to my friends list if they ask, and more than once, I am often the person asking to be added!

 

I find, that while runescape's intellectuality (as a population, not the game itself) is possibly degrading, and while I oppose

 

this, intellectuality isn't the only merit of ones being. I find, that even though some of the people I talk to, can't spell well,

 

and possibly ARE younger than they used to be (yes, I acknowledge I am a hypocrite), that doesn't mean they aren't friendly

 

people. Ones ability to spell and their grammatical correctness DOES NOT determine their maturity, which I find is becoming

 

the thoughts of many 'veteran' players so far.

 

 

 

Please note, I DO support the correctness of spelling and grammar, I am simply pointing out the other side of the story that

 

is often overlooked when dealing with new players/younger players.

 

 

 

Well.. thats my two cents, My apologies if you do not agree with me on this topic, however I believe you should learn to respect others

 

even if they don't have the same intellectual capacity as you.

 

 

 

(this does not mean I am siding with people with arrogant attitudes, simply defending those who are mixed between the two)

[jimmyjames227]

Yeah I am still a member and was 1 about a year ago but it has changed alot. I was always told to be ATLEAST combat level 60 before members and know you see level 20s running riot.