NO.

 

 

 

PLAYERS set the prices. Not JaGeX.

 

 

 

Imagine if whips could only be sold 40k each. Barrows 2k each.

 

 

 

High Alch values reflect what Jagex thought they should be worth.

 

 

 

Removing trading removes trading.

Removing trading removes trading.

 

 

 

I'm not even gonna comment on that, it's so insanely stupid. Hey look, I did anyway :lol:

NO.

 

 

 

PLAYERS set the prices. Not JaGeX.

 

 

 

Imagine if whips could only be sold 40k each. Barrows 2k each.

 

 

 

High Alch values reflect what Jagex thought they should be worth.

 

 

 

Removing trading removes trading.

 

No ge values reflect what jagex thinks they are worth, you have to understand if the only method of trading is the ge, people will have to use it, and the ge price will become players price regardless, prices will rise to what people are willing to pay.

Okay, this may be getting off topic, but I don't care. The matter is decided imo. Where is this so called topic? I wanna go flame someone so bad :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

lets...not flame others. :shame:

 

 

 

while i do agree with removing the limits (its a first i've actully agreed with you too :shock: )

 

there should still be some sort of limit on it, otherwise people with max Gp (and there are quite a few now) will literally control the market, making whatever item they want rise or drop. Want d chain to hit 20m? they'll do it (and i'll kill them) want robins to hit 1m? they'll do it. while the limits at the moment (in the appropiate word) "Suck" there should be a limit depeneding on quality and item, rather then the god forsaking quest point/timer system. :wall:

Removing trading removes trading.

 

 

 

I'm not even gonna comment on that, it's so insanely stupid. Hey look, I did anyway :lol:

 

 

 

Ain't it the point?

i agree but leave trading so players can price check and trade within their trade limit so they cannot sell an item worth over their trade limit this wouldnt affect trades other than junk trades

there is a lot of things i agree with but you have to travil alllllllllllll the way back to varrok, now that would suck. so i disagree :roll:

Sorry, but that's not going to happen. Junk trading is a symptom, not a cause. Items like whips and barrows gear, or even expensive luxury items like dragon chainbodies and bandos armor, are never junk traded with or for because they are priced correctly. If Jagex would get off their lazy [wagon] and fix what only they can fix, junk trading would disappear completely.

 

 

 

I mean, take a look at the new Dragon Claws. A rare drop like that, in as high as demand as they are, and Jagex sets the starting price at 150k? It's not the player's fault that they have to resort to other methods to get their fair value for the newest must have weapon, which is selling right now for 20m street value (at last check). You want to fix that price? Suit yourself, it's only going to take a loss equaling several billion to fix the company's mistake.

 

 

 

Fix the prices on 3rd age. Fix the prices on the phats and the other messed up items, and junk trading will disappear on its own, for good, without removing more game freedom.

 

 

 

And I find it ironic that you, one of the people that contributed to the steaming [cabbage] controls Jagex placed on this game, are trying to get yet another part of the game removed. Go back to your quitting.

Hey lets just remove player chat while we're at it. :wall:

I also agree to remove non ge trades, mainly because there are currently way too many options when you right click a player. Especially if you are wielding a Rubber Chicken. #-o If players trades eventually did get removed, it would be the own players fault anyhow. No autoers or bots to blame this time, just their own greed.

 

 

 

To those who would be mad about this, Jagex would obviously do something in return such as they did with Item Lending. They'd make some limit or something for how many items you can player trade per hour or something.

Sorry, but that's not going to happen. Junk trading is a symptom, not a cause. Items like whips and barrows gear, or even expensive luxury items like dragon chainbodies and bandos armor, are never junk traded with or for because they are priced correctly. If Jagex would get off their lazy [wagon] and fix what only they can fix, junk trading would disappear completely.

 

 

 

I mean, take a look at the new Dragon Claws. A rare drop like that, in as high as demand as they are, and Jagex sets the starting price at 150k? It's not the player's fault that they have to resort to other methods to get their fair value for the newest must have weapon, which is selling right now for 20m street value (at last check). You want to fix that price? Suit yourself, it's only going to take a loss equaling several billion to fix the company's mistake.

 

 

 

Fix the prices on 3rd age. Fix the prices on the phats and the other messed up items, and junk trading will disappear on its own, for good, without removing more game freedom.

 

 

 

And I find it ironic that you, one of the people that contributed to the steaming [cabbage] controls Jagex placed on this game, are trying to get yet another part of the game removed. Go back to your quitting.

 

The money i made off rs ran out so i came back to play >.>

I'm not so sure that Junk trading needs to be completely obliterated, but rather get rid of the main benefactor of it - junk. Figure out a way for us to actually send it off someplace, so we can earn a little more profit for our time, and you'll have less junk traders, less junk trades, and more GE users.

 

 

 

Sorry, but that's not going to happen. Junk trading is a symptom, not a cause. Items like whips and barrows gear, or even expensive luxury items like dragon chainbodies and bandos armor, are never junk traded with or for because they are priced correctly. If Jagex would get off their lazy [wagon] and fix what only they can fix, junk trading would disappear completely.

 

 

 

I mean, take a look at the new Dragon Claws. A rare drop like that, in as high as demand as they are, and Jagex sets the starting price at 150k? It's not the player's fault that they have to resort to other methods to get their fair value for the newest must have weapon, which is selling right now for 20m street value (at last check). You want to fix that price? Suit yourself, it's only going to take a loss equaling several billion to fix the company's mistake.

 

 

 

QUESTION: Why the hell would I pay 20M for a pair of claws? Claws?? And why do you think that this is Jagex's inability to update the GE? You can't think of this as just some idiot phase that *every* new item goes through? Remember when the Dragon Spear went through something similar? Prices won't stay high for those claws forever, you know, and 350K may be reasonable for them.

 

 

 

Fix the prices on 3rd age. Fix the prices on the phats and the other messed up items, and junk trading will disappear on its own, for good, without removing more game freedom.

 

 

 

Let's see. No demand and a high price for items that require only level 65 defense, rarer than a Shield Left from Skeletons, and has worse stats than Barrows. Hmm. What's wrong with again? Did you want them cheaper? Because that would devalue the point of getting them from clue scrolls in the first place. Think about it - I'd be pretty upset if I got a 3A kite from a clue, and the highest I could sell it for on the GE was 4M.

 

 

 

As far as Partyhats goes, they've been falling for over a year now. Over a year ago, Blue partyhats were "worth" over 500M; now they're at a much more reasonable 343M.

 

 

 

In terms of "fixing" items, the players have to decide to (finally) use the GE to actually get the price to move. If they don't do that, then they're essentially complaining about a problem that they themselves have every ability to fix, but are either unwilling or stubborn to fix for themselves.

QUESTION: Why the hell would I pay 20M for a pair of claws? Claws?? And why do you think that this is Jagex's inability to update the GE? You can't think of this as just some idiot phase that *every* new item goes through? Remember when the Dragon Spear went through something similar? Prices won't stay high for those claws forever, you know, and 350K may be reasonable for them.

 

 

 

I doubt it. They nerfed the drop rate on dragon claws yet again. They're intended to be a highly sought after, pricey weapon. Sure, maybe in 3 years the price will drop to 350k. (and believe me, it's going to take that long, easily, unless something drastic changes.) If the GE works so well, why not set the starting price at something reasonable, like 30m, with 10% margins to accommodate new item unstableness for the first month or so, and let the system work? Just watch the prices drop as the demand does. After all, you should give the system a chance...

 

 

 

Instead, they set the most unreasonable price on an item yet, and force everybody to either rip themselves off for a freakin' 16,000% loss, or higher, or junk trade and bypass the system, starting a vicious cycle that will take months to correct, if at all.

 

 

 

Let's see. No demand and a high price for items that require only level 65 defense, rarer than a Shield Left from Skeletons, and has worse stats than Barrows. Hmm. What's wrong with again? Did you want them cheaper? Because that would devalue the point of getting them from clue scrolls in the first place. Think about it - I'd be pretty upset if I got a 3A kite from a clue, and the highest I could sell it for on the GE was 4M.

 

 

 

As far as Partyhats goes, they've been falling for over a year now. Over a year ago, Blue partyhats were "worth" over 500M; now they're at a much more reasonable 343M.

 

 

 

So you are the only person who can determine "reasonable"? Some random price that only you find acceptable? Sorry, markets don't work like that, no matter how big you think you are.

 

 

 

If I remember correctly, 3rd was mispriced the opposite way, undervalued on the ge, much like claws are now. I had a offer standing at max for a 3rd age mage top for over 2 months without a sale. If the GE is hurting anybody, it's hurting the new players that get lucky on a level 3 and get ripped off by prices that have been faulty since release almost a year ago.

 

 

 

I don't like junk trading. It's a pain. Nobody that uses junk trading really likes it - but when even the most basic rules of supply and demand are stifled by unreasonable controls, you have to branch out into other methods. I don't see why people are so mentally disabled and insist on removing the symptom rather than fixing the problem.

 

 

 

I mean seriously, when the "change oil" light comes on, it's time to tear out the warning light, right?

 

 

 

In terms of "fixing" items, the players have to decide to (finally) use the GE to actually get the price to move. If they don't do that, then they're essentially complaining about a problem that they themselves have every ability to fix, but are either unwilling or stubborn to fix for themselves.

 

 

 

Exactly. But seriously, would you sell your rare pair of dragon claws for 490k on the GE when it's worth easily over 50 times that, just to fix a mistake you had nothing to do with?

 

 

 

Your argument would only hold weight if the prices started at something reasonable for a new, powerful weapon release, but they didn't, and this mess is what you get.

QUESTION: Why the hell would I pay 20M for a pair of claws? Claws?? And why do you think that this is Jagex's inability to update the GE? You can't think of this as just some idiot phase that *every* new item goes through? Remember when the Dragon Spear went through something similar? Prices won't stay high for those claws forever, you know, and 350K may be reasonable for them.

 

 

 

I doubt it. They nerfed the drop rate on dragon claws yet again. They're intended to be a highly sought after, pricey weapon. Sure, maybe in 3 years the price will drop to 350k. (and believe me, it's going to take that long, easily, unless something drastic changes.) If the GE works so well, why not set the starting price at something reasonable, like 30m, with 10% margins to accommodate new item unstableness for the first month or so, and let the system work? Just watch the prices drop as the demand does. After all, you should give the system a chance...

 

 

 

Instead, they set the most unreasonable price on an item yet, and force everybody to either rip themselves off for a freakin' 16,000% loss, or higher, or junk trade and bypass the system, starting a vicious cycle that will take months to correct, if at all.

 

 

 

Let's see. No demand and a high price for items that require only level 65 defense, rarer than a Shield Left from Skeletons, and has worse stats than Barrows. Hmm. What's wrong with again? Did you want them cheaper? Because that would devalue the point of getting them from clue scrolls in the first place. Think about it - I'd be pretty upset if I got a 3A kite from a clue, and the highest I could sell it for on the GE was 4M.

 

 

 

As far as Partyhats goes, they've been falling for over a year now. Over a year ago, Blue partyhats were "worth" over 500M; now they're at a much more reasonable 343M.

 

 

 

So you are the only person who can determine "reasonable"? Some random price that only you find acceptable? Sorry, markets don't work like that, no matter how big you think you are.

 

 

 

If I remember correctly, 3rd was mispriced the opposite way, undervalued on the ge, much like claws are now. I had a offer standing at max for a 3rd age mage top for over 2 months without a sale. If the GE is hurting anybody, it's hurting the new players that get lucky on a level 3 and get ripped off by prices that have been faulty since release almost a year ago.

 

 

 

I don't like junk trading. It's a pain. Nobody that uses junk trading really likes it - but when even the most basic rules of supply and demand are stifled by unreasonable controls, you have to branch out into other methods. I don't see why people are so mentally disabled and insist on removing the symptom rather than fixing the problem.

 

 

 

I mean seriously, when the "change oil" light comes on, it's time to tear out the warning light, right?

 

 

 

In terms of "fixing" items, the players have to decide to (finally) use the GE to actually get the price to move. If they don't do that, then they're essentially complaining about a problem that they themselves have every ability to fix, but are either unwilling or stubborn to fix for themselves.

 

 

 

Exactly. But seriously, would you sell your rare pair of dragon claws for 490k on the GE when it's worth easily over 50 times that, just to fix a mistake you had nothing to do with?

 

 

 

Your argument would only hold weight if the prices started at something reasonable for a new, powerful weapon release, but they didn't, and this mess is what you get.

 

If you don't want the 400k for the claws, hang on to them and wait, price rises every day because other people don't care about the low price.

Removing trading removes trading.

 

 

 

I'm not even gonna comment on that, it's so insanely stupid. Hey look, I did anyway :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

Please read my whole post. This only shows you can't read.

 

 

 

But I do agree with you, you are indeed

it's so insanely stupid

NO.

 

 

 

PLAYERS set the prices. Not JaGeX.

 

 

 

Imagine if whips could only be sold 40k each. Barrows 2k each.

 

 

 

High Alch values reflect what Jagex thought they should be worth.

 

 

 

Removing trading removes trading.

 

No ge values reflect what jagex thinks they are worth, you have to understand if the only method of trading is the ge, people will have to use it, and the ge price will become players price regardless, prices will rise to what people are willing to pay.

 

 

 

Look at dragon claws. What are then in the GE? Under 300k?

 

 

 

They are (last I checked which was yesterday) 40m+. Who is going to either

 

1. Sell they claws for about a 39m rip, to increase it's price

 

2. Beg JaGeX to change their prices?

i havnt read although the forum so this is basically just a reply to the first person...

 

that would b so stupid because iif says my friends wants to buy some worth a bit off me, and we do mates rate and the price goes up or down by 10k... we can do that with non ge trading not on the ge. and another thing if they took out non ge trade they would probably take it out all togerther and that would be horrible. g2g

i havnt read although the forum so this is basically just a reply to the first person...

 

that would b so stupid because iif says my friends wants to buy some worth a bit off me, and we do mates rate and the price goes up or down by 10k... we can do that with non ge trading not on the ge. and another thing if they took out non ge trade they would probably take it out all togerther and that would be horrible. g2g

 

Too bad.

If you don't want the 400k for the claws, hang on to them and wait, price rises every day because other people don't care about the low price.

 

 

 

Which doesn't answer the question; why the [bleep] weren't the prices set at something reasonable from the start? I mean, look at the dragon platebody, it was set at a relatively reasonable starting price, and it's buyable on the GE and as the "new itemness" of it wears off the price drops naturally. If I want to buy a pair of claws now for a fair 20m, why should I have to junk trade when Jagex could have set the damn thing up right in the first place?

 

 

 

THE GE WORKS. When Jagex allows it to. It's not our problem, it's Jagex's, so honestly why should we lose more of the game to cover a supposedly "professional" company's [wagon]?

 

 

 

And the fact that you couldn't answer a single part of my argument but to say "well just wait" only reinforces it. Thanks.

If you don't want the 400k for the claws, hang on to them and wait, price rises every day because other people don't care about the low price.

 

 

 

Which doesn't answer the question; why the [bleep] weren't the prices set at something reasonable from the start? I mean, look at the dragon platebody, it was set at a relatively reasonable starting price, and it's buyable on the GE and as the "new itemness" of it wears off the price drops naturally. If I want to buy a pair of claws now for a fair 20m, why should I have to junk trade when Jagex could have set the damn thing up right in the first place?

 

 

 

THE GE WORKS. When Jagex allows it to. It's not our problem, it's Jagex's, so honestly why should we lose more of the game to cover a supposedly "professional" company's [wagon]?

 

 

 

And the fact that you couldn't answer a single part of my argument but to say "well just wait" only reinforces it. Thanks.

 

I did not disagree about the claws, as a matter of fact im with you, and jagex needs to hire a team that has a clue about the rs economy (They should hire a team from high level in game players, no one knows the game better then its own players).

 

But outside ge trades still need to be limited.

...Instead, they set the most unreasonable price on an item yet, and force everybody to either rip themselves off for a freakin' 16,000% loss, or higher, or junk trade and bypass the system, starting a vicious cycle that will take months to correct, if at all.

 

 

 

How is 150K for a pair of claws unreasonable again? What person wants to pay over 10M, let alone any price on the forums, just for a pair of claws? And you still haven't addressed my question - you really think that 10M+ is the correct price for those claws?

 

 

 

As far as Partyhats goes, they've been falling for over a year now. Over a year ago, Blue partyhats were "worth" over 500M; now they're at a much more reasonable 343M.

 

 

 

So you are the only person who can determine "reasonable"? Some random price that only you find acceptable? Sorry, markets don't work like that, no matter how big you think you are.

 

 

 

A Partyhat serves no purpose to the blunt majority of players in the game, nor does any rare. "Reasonable" can be seen as a price that a player is willing to pay for this rare item that has absolutely no use to them whatsoever. I'm not determining it, I'm just giving a decent ballpark. Do you think 500M to buy a Partyhat is reasonable? Do you really?

 

 

 

 

 

In terms of "fixing" items, the players have to decide to (finally) use the GE to actually get the price to move. If they don't do that, then they're essentially complaining about a problem that they themselves have every ability to fix, but are either unwilling or stubborn to fix for themselves.

 

 

 

Exactly. But seriously, would you sell your rare pair of dragon claws for 490k on the GE when it's worth easily over 50 times that, just to fix a mistake you had nothing to do with?

 

 

 

Your argument would only hold weight if the prices started at something reasonable for a new, powerful weapon release, but they didn't, and this mess is what you get.

 

 

 

For the last time. They're claws. Just claws. Their drop rate wasn't nerfed or anything. It's not something that Jagex can fix when it's the fault of merchants, who happily jack the price up on every new item release. I'd pay 450K for the claws, but that's about as high as it goes - it's not a Dragon plate.

 

 

 

Which doesn't answer the question; why the [bleep] weren't the prices set at something reasonable from the start? I mean, look at the dragon platebody, it was set at a relatively reasonable starting price, and it's buyable on the GE and as the "new itemness" of it wears off the price drops naturally.

 

 

 

Comparing Dragon Claws to the Dragon Plate is like comparing a cloud to a buffalo. Claws aren't hard to get, and the plate requires three separate pieces + 92 Smithing to put back together. Why shouldn't the item with more effort command a significantly higher price?

 

 

 

Again, it's not Jagex's fault that merchants can't get enough of junk trades to jack prices up on items. Talk to the merchants if you want that fixed, but it isn't likely you'll get through to them unless you're holding something of value.

 

Again, it's not Jagex's fault that merchants can't get enough of junk trades to jack prices up on items. Talk to the merchants if you want that fixed, but it isn't likely you'll get through to them unless you're holding something of value.

 

On topic: Your the last person i expected to come back me up.

 

Off topic: That Verve sig is sweet.

That is a great idea! i think it would make this game much funner the only thing that junk trading does for the game is make the rich richer,And make this game a whole lot less fun for ppl who cant afford to buy 60m junk with a cool item they want.

How is 150K for a pair of claws unreasonable again? What person wants to pay over 10M, let alone any price on the forums, just for a pair of claws? And you still haven't addressed my question - you really think that 10M+ is the correct price for those claws?

 

 

 

Please don't tell me you're that ignorant. Have you seen the spec on those claws? The damage they put out? That, coupled with the fact that they are a rare drop are a recipe for a high price. I mean, look at the dragon chain - worthless in every aspect, much easier to get, and they're still fairly pricey.

 

 

 

I would pay 10m for a pair of those, easy, the ko factor on those claws are more than reason enough. And those merchants wouldn't be getting those prices if people like me didn't think it was worth it. Guess what? Apparently enough other people agree with me and are willing to pay a pretty damn reasonable price for a rare dragon drop with a whoopass spec.

 

 

 

A Partyhat serves no purpose to the blunt majority of players in the game, nor does any rare. "Reasonable" can be seen as a price that a player is willing to pay for this rare item that has absolutely no use to them whatsoever. I'm not determining it, I'm just giving a decent ballpark. Do you think 500M to buy a Partyhat is reasonable? Do you really?

 

 

 

Honestly dude, it doesn't matter you don't think it's worth it. Do you under a single thing about economics? A seller will ALWAYS try to get as much as he can for his item. A buyer will ALWAYS try to get the item for as little as he can. Both parties are willing to compromise to a certain degree, depending on how many people are willing to buy and how many people are willing to sell. That's what sets a price, and no matter what Jagex thinks, setting arbitrary "this is what we believe it should be worth" controls can't change what players are willing to pay or sell for. That's called supply and demand, and you fail at it.

 

 

 

And really, do you know a single thing about the RS market in general? The GE prices on phats are overpriced, not underpriced. If the prices were to get fixed, they'd be lower than they are now. I'm not trying to rip anybody off by selling for exorbitant prices, I just want to be able to use a great concept effectively rather than forcing the hard working players that want to buy my hats to gather junk so they don't rip themselves off because the GE says party hats are worth more than they actually are.

 

 

 

For the last time. They're claws. Just claws. Their drop rate wasn't nerfed or anything. It's not something that Jagex can fix when it's the fault of merchants, who happily jack the price up on every new item release. I'd pay 450K for the claws, but that's about as high as it goes - it's not a Dragon plate.

 

 

 

No, it's not a dragon plate. Like you said, "comparing dragon claws to the dragon plate is like comparing a cloud to a buffalo". The claws actually have a purpose. The claws are the best ko weapon to date, while the dragon plate is just a poor man's 3rd age melee set, worthless for anything but looks. The claws are rare and incredibly effective, and if you can't recognize the KO power in that weapon you must have the IQ of a chipmunk.

 

 

 

I'm going to give you some slack and assume you didn't know about the claws spec, but really, when you're taking electives for credits, pick up economics 101.

Good thinking but, really it's because of the GE that this problem was caused. It allowed for no free market. Nobody can make money from merchanting. Merchanting is an essential part of any economy. Just look for example: United States, China, Etc. Basically when JAGeX made the GE people attempted to find a loophole in the system where "Merchanting" could take place. Originally we had to go to trade worlds and forums to find the items we were looking for. Im not completely against the GE, but when they made it they completely eliminated all conversion type skills profit. Conversion meaning: Herblore, Crafting, Smithing, and Cooking. The one's that were left were time based skills: Farming, Fishing, Mining and Woodcutting.

 

 

 

I dont think the problem is free trading, I think thats great. The "junk" trading however is a way to bypass the trade limit. I think your ideas were very good but poorly put together, since you demanded a solution but honestly; Do you really expect only GE trading to actually happen? And how hard would it affect RS?

 

 

 

This is what JAGeX needs to do:

 

 

 

Observe trades trades from certain players. The quest point system should be where for each quest point you obtain it increases a % of your total wealth which can be transfered. For example aplayer with all the quest points would be able to distribute 40% of his wealth. Now think about it. 40% of millions is pretty good regulation. I dont know what the exact percent of what it should be but just for an example i used 40%. But Seriously what you said is just plain ridiculous, I dont see how it would do anything but make people mad.[stats][/stats]