Slayer..

[RayOxide]

Slayer [bleep]ed up lately in runescape if you didnt notice langer, people get stuck in loops :P

 

 

 

Not really contradicting myself, i am saying there is an average, but not a good one. There is officially no denying that an average can, and probably will be very far off from the max and/or minimums, so why do people give averages?

[Bauke]

It's an average which is 100% correct. Because average = average. Though, what you're aiming at, is that slayer xp has a relatively high variance. Therefore numbers may vary.

 

 

 

And I do think giving an average for slayer is good. It gives you an idea about how you'll do in the long term.

[langer]

Slayer [bleep] up lately in runescape if you didnt notice langer, people get stuck in loops :P

 

 

 

Not really contradicting myself, i am saying there is an average, but not a good one. There is officially no denying that an average can, and probably will be very far off from the max and/or minimums, so why do people give averages?

 

 

 

There's always been what you call a loop... Except before smoking kills you could not get the same task twice in a row.

 

People give average to make comparison between training combat trhough slayer or through monsters outside slayer, in the long run...

 

the average is only accurate on the long run.

[Troacctid]

because, after the 1000 hours or so you spend getting 99 slayer you get good 30 - 70 mil you wouldnt have gotten off zombie monkeys. Plus you got a 99 thats worth its weight in gold imo. Its one of those skills that if you dont train while leveling combat you wont want to bother after your maxed out. Of course this is the opinion of a non maxed out player..... But i see melee slaying as worthwhile for that reason.

 

 

 

Its kinda like getting maxed combat on chaos druids before they updated herblore *back when there was unids* you would spent a super long time leveling it up, but by the time your maxed out you would have made an unimaginable ammount of money. (given unids were 1k ea)

 

If 1000 hours gets you only 70m, you're either a free player who should have subscribed a long time ago, or you're doing something wrong. That's only 70k gp/hr. You get better cash training your combat at armoured zombies, and the experience is faster too.

 

 

 

It's more like getting 99 fishing at sharks. The total money you make is about twice that of what you'd make getting monkfish, but it's not because it's a better moneymaker, it's because it's slower experience and you need to spend twice as long to get the same level-up. If you spent the same amount of time catching monkfish as you spent catching sharks, you'd have the same amount of money and double the fishing experience.

[Lord_Shalaj]

If 1000 hours gets you only 70m, you're either a free player who should have subscribed a long time ago, or you're doing something wrong. That's only 70k gp/hr. You get better cash training your combat at armoured zombies, and the experience is faster too.

 

 

 

It's more like getting 99 fishing at sharks. The total money you make is about twice that of what you'd make getting monkfish, but it's not because it's a better moneymaker, it's because it's slower experience and you need to spend twice as long to get the same level-up. If you spent the same amount of time catching monkfish as you spent catching sharks, you'd have the same amount of money and double the fishing experience.

 

 

 

Only the teeniest of differences. You train 2 skills instead of one in that double time. :|

 

 

 

And anyway, its not like Slayer has any other way to train it (which I expect to change after Soul Wars comes out), so you have only one option. And by the way, training that Spiritual Mages beats Armoured Zombies by FAR. If we take Slayer as a skill, its rewards should count too (Spiritual mages, Abyssal Demons), not only the training methods.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Troacctid]

Only the teeniest of differences. You train 2 skills instead of one in that double time. :|

 

 

 

And anyway, its not like Slayer has any other way to train it (which I expect to change after Soul Wars comes out), so you have only one option. And by the way, training that Spiritual Mages beats Armoured Zombies by FAR. If we take Slayer as a skill, its rewards should count too (Spiritual mages, Abyssal Demons), not only the training methods.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

• [*:1e4qpn35]Actually, shark fishing to 99 also trains strength if you fish without a harpoon. So it isn't a difference, really.
   
  [*:1e4qpn35]If you're training on just spiritual mages, well then you aren't killing your slayer task, now are you? You're not training slayer at all. (Besides, I'm told that green dragons are faster profit than off-task spiritual mages anyway.)

[Lord_Shalaj]

Only the teeniest of differences. You train 2 skills instead of one in that double time. :|

 

 

 

And anyway, its not like Slayer has any other way to train it (which I expect to change after Soul Wars comes out), so you have only one option. And by the way, training that Spiritual Mages beats Armoured Zombies by FAR. If we take Slayer as a skill, its rewards should count too (Spiritual mages, Abyssal Demons), not only the training methods.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

• [*:1rdffc3h]Actually, shark fishing to 99 also trains strength if you fish without a harpoon. So it isn't a difference, really.
   
  [*:1rdffc3h]If you're training on just spiritual mages, well then you aren't killing your slayer task, now are you? You're not training slayer at all. (Besides, I'm told that green dragons are faster profit than off-task spiritual mages anyway.)

 

 

 

Spiritual Mages only get unlocked after extensive Slayer training. Surely, you would consider them as a reward from Slayer? Like for example, people keep talking about how Summoning is useful (it is), but once you get a Unicorn/Steel Titan, you don't actually use the familiar to train that skill. In the case of Summoning, the rewards and training is in 2 different directions. Slayer is about the same.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[Troacctid]

Spiritual Mages only get unlocked after extensive Slayer training. Surely, you would consider them as a reward from Slayer? Like for example, people keep talking about how Summoning is useful (it is), but once you get a Unicorn/Steel Titan, you don't actually use the familiar to train that skill. In the case of Summoning, the rewards and training is in 2 different directions. Slayer is about the same.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

Well no, not the same. If Spiritual Mages are worse for cash than green dragons anyway, then it's not exactly worth the trouble so much, is it?

[Obtaurian]

Spiritual Mages only get unlocked after extensive Slayer training. Surely, you would consider them as a reward from Slayer? Like for example, people keep talking about how Summoning is useful (it is), but once you get a Unicorn/Steel Titan, you don't actually use the familiar to train that skill. In the case of Summoning, the rewards and training is in 2 different directions. Slayer is about the same.

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

Well no, not the same. If Spiritual Mages are worse for cash than green dragons anyway, then it's not exactly worth the trouble so much, is it?

 

 

 

That depends on how much you value Slayer experience. Do you not care about your Slayer level? Then no, spiritual mages are not worth it. If you answered yes, then the mages are worth far than dragons.

[Troacctid]

That depends on how much you value Slayer experience. Do you not care about your Slayer level? Then no, spiritual mages are not worth it. If you answered yes, then the mages are worth far than dragons.

 

You don't get slayer experience from camping spiritual mages. #-o

[Obtaurian]

That depends on how much you value Slayer experience. Do you not care about your Slayer level? Then no, spiritual mages are not worth it. If you answered yes, then the mages are worth far than dragons.

 

You don't get slayer experience from camping spiritual mages. #-o

 

 

 

Obviously.

 

 

 

Slayer experience in itself, not experience gotten from mages.

[Troacctid]

That depends on how much you value Slayer experience. Do you not care about your Slayer level? Then no, spiritual mages are not worth it. If you answered yes, then the mages are worth far than dragons.

 

You don't get slayer experience from camping spiritual mages. #-o

 

 

 

Obviously.

 

 

 

Slayer experience in itself, not experience gotten from mages.

 

I thought we were talking about whether green dragons are better than spiritual mages.

[Obtaurian]

That depends on how much you value Slayer experience. Do you not care about your Slayer level? Then no, spiritual mages are not worth it. If you answered yes, then the mages are worth far than dragons.

 

You don't get slayer experience from camping spiritual mages. #-o

 

 

 

Obviously.

 

 

 

Slayer experience in itself, not experience gotten from mages.

 

I thought we were talking about whether green dragons are better than spiritual mages.

 

 

 

We are, and that depends on whether or not you place value on Slayer experience, and what your goals are. If you could care less about Slayer and you never plan on training it, go kill some dragons.

[Troacctid]

I thought we were talking about whether green dragons are better than spiritual mages.

 

 

 

We are, and that depends on whether or not you place value on Slayer experience, and what your goals are. If you could care less about Slayer and you never plan on training it, go kill some dragons.

 

If we're comparing green dragons to camping spiritual mages, then slayer experience doesn't enter into the equation, because when you camp spiritual mages, you don't get slayer experience.

 

 

 

If I recall, the subject came up because it was claimed that spiritual mages are a reward that makes training slayer worth it, because you can fight them once you get to a high enough level. And since the rewards are so good, it's worth going for the slayer experience so you can eventually kill spiritual mages.

 

 

 

However, the trouble with this line of thinking is that even with level 1 slayer, you can go to green dragons and make faster money than if you were killing spiritual mages, so the reward isn't very exceptional at all. (Actually, since this topic is about ranged slayer, aviansies would probably be a better comparison, but then again, chances are you'd be killing the mages with melee anyway, so maybe not.)

[Obtaurian]

I thought we were talking about whether green dragons are better than spiritual mages.

 

 

 

We are, and that depends on whether or not you place value on Slayer experience, and what your goals are. If you could care less about Slayer and you never plan on training it, go kill some dragons.

 

If we're comparing green dragons to camping spiritual mages, then slayer experience doesn't enter into the equation, because when you camp spiritual mages, you don't get slayer experience.

 

 

 

If I recall, the subject came up because it was claimed that spiritual mages are a reward that makes training slayer worth it, because you can fight them once you get to a high enough level. And since the rewards are so good, it's worth going for the slayer experience so you can eventually kill spiritual mages.

 

 

 

However, the trouble with this line of thinking is that even with level 1 slayer, you can go to green dragons and make faster money than if you were killing spiritual mages, so the reward isn't very exceptional at all. (Actually, since this topic is about ranged slayer, aviansies would probably be a better comparison, but then again, chances are you'd be killing the mages with melee anyway, so maybe not.)

 

 

 

I understand. I'm simply saying that the slayer experience required to get to level 83 slayer has a worth in itself, and should be consider.

 

 

 

EG: It'd be better to have 83 Slayer and kill green dragons than to have 1 slayer and kill green dragons.

 

 

 

Consider it a sidenote.

[Troacctid]

EG: It'd be better to have 83 Slayer and kill green dragons than to have 1 slayer and kill green dragons.

 

 

 

Consider it a sidenote.

 

Well no, because you'd get the same drops at the same speed. :?

[Obtaurian]

EG: It'd be better to have 83 Slayer and kill green dragons than to have 1 slayer and kill green dragons.

 

 

 

Consider it a sidenote.

 

Well no, because you'd get the same drops at the same speed. :?

 

 

 

Again, that depends on how much you value Slayer experience and total levels.

[Troacctid]

EG: It'd be better to have 83 Slayer and kill green dragons than to have 1 slayer and kill green dragons.

 

 

 

Consider it a sidenote.

 

Well no, because you'd get the same drops at the same speed. :?

 

 

 

Again, that depends on how much you value Slayer experience and total levels.

 

No, you'll get the same loot no matter how much you value total experience, actually. #-o

[Obtaurian]

EG: It'd be better to have 83 Slayer and kill green dragons than to have 1 slayer and kill green dragons.

 

 

 

Consider it a sidenote.

 

Well no, because you'd get the same drops at the same speed. :?

 

 

 

Again, that depends on how much you value Slayer experience and total levels.

 

No, you'll get the same loot no matter how much you value total experience, actually. #-o

 

 

 

Of course you will, but if you care about total levels, you're better off training Slayer to 83, then killing green dragons to your heart's content. If you don't care, as I've stated, stick to dragons. Not that you have a choice.

[mmmcannibalism]

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EG: It'd be better to have 83 Slayer and kill green dragons than to have 1 slayer and kill green dragons.

 

 

 

Consider it a sidenote.

 

Well no, because you'd get the same drops at the same speed. :?

 

 

 

Again, that depends on how much you value Slayer experience and total levels.

 

No, you'll get the same loot no matter how much you value total experience, actually. #-o

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The point is having 83 slayer is worth something because it is 82 total levels that you dont have at 1 slayer.

[langer]

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EG: It'd be better to have 83 Slayer and kill green dragons than to have 1 slayer and kill green dragons.

 

 

 

Consider it a sidenote.

 

Well no, because you'd get the same drops at the same speed. :?

 

 

 

Again, that depends on how much you value Slayer experience and total levels.

 

No, you'll get the same loot no matter how much you value total experience, actually. #-o

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The point is having 83 slayer is worth something because it is 82 total levels that you dont have at 1 slayer.

 

 

 

And also provides you an alternative to green dragons. Let's say we get another invasion from gold farmer and green dragon locations get crowded to the point where profits go down to about 200k per hour like it once was...

[Friendyboy]

I dont feel the need to debate cash per hour of mages vs greens, but with the 83 slayer, you are much closer to 85.....whips plox? Dont even think about suggesting greens out do abbys! I have noticed a lot on here how people COMPLETELY overstate rates to make them look superior.

 

 

 

Also, how many people at lvl 1 slayer (usually low level = low slayer) do you know can kill 100 greens an hour? in fact i doubt many 120s could to get that rate tbh.

 

 

 

 

 

Im going to do a test, melee mages vs greens

[Troacctid]

I dont feel the need to debate cash per hour of mages vs greens, but with the 83 slayer, you are much closer to 85.....whips plox? Dont even think about suggesting greens out do abbys! I have noticed a lot on here how people COMPLETELY overstate rates to make them look superior.

 

 

 

Also, how many people at lvl 1 slayer (usually low level = low slayer) do you know can kill 100 greens an hour? in fact i doubt many 120s could to get that rate tbh.

 

 

 

 

 

Im going to do a test, melee mages vs greens

 

This is all beside the point, because the topic is supposed to be about whether it's worth training slayer specifically as a method of training ranged. And on that subject, I feel I've made my point thoroughly enough.

 

 

 

Rather then go further out on this tangent, I'd direct you to the other slayer thread, which is a more appropriate one for discussing the profits you may get as a result of slayer training.

[SacredFlam3s]

i just got a slayer task of 30 red drags and im gonna range then. It all really depends on the task, and my stats are even, so it depends on the task...

[Owned_Nex]

EG: It'd be better to have 83 Slayer and kill green dragons than to have 1 slayer and kill green dragons.

 

 

 

Consider it a sidenote.

 

Well no, because you'd get the same drops at the same speed. :?

 

 

 

Again, that depends on how much you value Slayer experience and total levels.

 

No, you'll get the same loot no matter how much you value total experience, actually. #-o

 

 

 

Of course you will, but if you care about total levels, you're better off training Slayer to 83, then killing green dragons to your heart's content. If you don't care, as I've stated, stick to dragons. Not that you have a choice.

 

 

 

But that kills the whole purpose. Whats so good about a number?