Pjers-Ruining RS PVP

[gremmy]

To be honest you can just put on your protect from melee prayer, and it's fixed. Jagex even drops you food from the player you killed.

[3hitm4g3u]

To be honest you can just put on your protect from melee prayer, and it's fixed. Jagex even drops you food from the player you killed.

 

 

 

I take it you don't pk.

[ReapMe]

people pvp for loot, not to show off how good their skills are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I bet you could find over 100 videos on youtube just by putting in the acronym pk or pvp, let alone specifically looking for something.

 

 

 

haha do you find more satisfaction fighting each other in a 5 min fight and winning with no food left and getting like 20k worth of loot or spec'ing someone in first 10 seconds and getting 5M of loot? i'll be alot happier with the latter and i'm sure about 99% of rs would. most those pk vids have one thing in common, the drops at the end of the kills. most of them don't even have the whole fight on the vid. maybe 5% of the people go to bh and pvp worlds to show off their skill only to find themselves fighting against the other 95% made up of teamers/taggers, ags ,dds, claw, dbow pj'ers, ancients, tb'ers, safers, etc etc who are there to kill you and get your stuff

[muggiwhplar]

Anyone else think that PvP discussion on Tipit should be banned? lol

[toast647]

Back2boat

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sucks when void d bowers PJ me cuz I'm only 20 defence and I get beasted 7/10 times. But it's funny when they fight cuz they don't know how

[hanseneie]

So, why does everyone call PLAYER KILLING A.K.A PKING, Pvp now? That makes me slap my face more than pjers. Oh well, there has always been pjers and there will always be pjers.

 

 

 

It's their's choice of what to do, no one likes what they do, but obviously we can't stop them.

[Madmanpur3]

As someone has already mentioned, there is only one way to DECREASE your drop potential and that is by actually getting a kill. Standing in a safe zone or jumping in an out of a safe zone does not lower your drop potential.

 

 

 

Also this whole "it can be easily avoided, thus they should do nothing about it" argument has it's share of faults. Let me present to you the man armed with a knife. If he tries to attack you, he can be easily avoided with proper preperation, just like a pjer.

 

 

 

Just because we can deal with pjers ourselves doesn't mean that jagex shouldn't do anything about it since they are a major annoyance to any player trying to pk in the average manner and pjing isn't "in the spirit of the game". :P

 

 

 

Honestly, it's like me trying to argue that they should leave the GE shortcut the way it is (with the delayed/stacked damage) since you can easily avoid it.

[Madmanpur3]

haha do you find more satisfaction fighting each other in a 5 min fight and winning with no food left and getting like 20k worth of loot or spec'ing someone in first 10 seconds and getting 5M of loot? i'll be alot happier with the latter and i'm sure about 99% of rs would. most those pk vids have one thing in common, the drops at the end of the kills. most of them don't even have the whole fight on the vid. maybe 5% of the people go to bh and pvp worlds to show off their skill only to find themselves fighting against the other 95% made up of teamers/taggers, ags ,dds, claw, dbow pj'ers, ancients, tb'ers, safers, etc etc who are there to kill you and get your stuff

 

How often would it be the case that the drop from a 10 second pj is better than a 5 minute fight? Rarely. So let me ask you...would you rather go to a drop party in the party room and pop a balloon for a blue partyhat, or earn 400m from skilling? I'd be happier with the first and I'm sure about 99% of rs would.

[salim123]

Guys. Pking has no rules. The only rules it has are made up by people like you who dont want to lose their stuff.

 

If you dont want to lose your stuff DONT GO TO PKING WORLDS. Like it has been always, and like it will always be ANYTHING GOES.

 

 

 

Calling people prayer noobs, pjing noobs, def noobs, eaters are all ways you get your kill faster. You do it, then you complain when otheres do!

 

 

 

BAH

 

 

 

I MISS CLASSIC PKING BRING IT BACK :pray:

[ReapMe]

haha do you find more satisfaction fighting each other in a 5 min fight and winning with no food left and getting like 20k worth of loot or spec'ing someone in first 10 seconds and getting 5M of loot? i'll be alot happier with the latter and i'm sure about 99% of rs would. most those pk vids have one thing in common, the drops at the end of the kills. most of them don't even have the whole fight on the vid. maybe 5% of the people go to bh and pvp worlds to show off their skill only to find themselves fighting against the other 95% made up of teamers/taggers, ags ,dds, claw, dbow pj'ers, ancients, tb'ers, safers, etc etc who are there to kill you and get your stuff

 

How often would it be the case that the drop from a 10 second pj is better than a 5 minute fight? Rarely. So let me ask you...would you rather go to a drop party in the party room and pop a balloon for a blue partyhat, or earn 400m from skilling? I'd be happier with the first and I'm sure about 99% of rs would.

 

 

 

How often? Considering they have nearly the same drop potential, I wouldn't say rarely. I was just bringing out the point that people go to pvp worlds/bh mainly for drops.

[RSBDavid]

Its all part of the danger. Its like wanting to fight someone in a room filled with pillows and matresses. There is almost risk factor if you get a kill.

[Madmanpur3]

haha do you find more satisfaction fighting each other in a 5 min fight and winning with no food left and getting like 20k worth of loot or spec'ing someone in first 10 seconds and getting 5M of loot? i'll be alot happier with the latter and i'm sure about 99% of rs would. most those pk vids have one thing in common, the drops at the end of the kills. most of them don't even have the whole fight on the vid. maybe 5% of the people go to bh and pvp worlds to show off their skill only to find themselves fighting against the other 95% made up of teamers/taggers, ags ,dds, claw, dbow pj'ers, ancients, tb'ers, safers, etc etc who are there to kill you and get your stuff

 

How often would it be the case that the drop from a 10 second pj is better than a 5 minute fight? Rarely. So let me ask you...would you rather go to a drop party in the party room and pop a balloon for a blue partyhat, or earn 400m from skilling? I'd be happier with the first and I'm sure about 99% of rs would.

 

 

 

How often? Considering they have nearly the same drop potential, I wouldn't say rarely. I was just bringing out the point that people go to pvp worlds/bh mainly for drops.

 

And I was just pointing out that if you fight normally, you have a much better shot at a better drop. It's just that those who fail at pking normally have to resort to pjing, and since they make more money pjing than fail normal pking they deduce that pjing is more profitable than regular pking.

[n00bfiterpk6]

i agree, pvp is being wrecked by pjers.

 

 

 

couple days ago i lost a set of dh to a pjer, wouldnt of minded if it was to the person i was fighting.. but since it was a pjer that made me kinda angry :ohnoes:

 

 

 

:twss:

[warren211]

Food on the ground does nothing to help you when you're 10 hp and out of food yourself after winning a fight. It's just another major flaw in their game that they either don't realize or simply don't care about.

 

 

 

In that case, it's called thinking ahead :P

 

 

 

You could lose your chance of finishing off a player if you decide to eat when you're at 20% hp and he's at 5%. That's a tough decision in high pj areas: either try to finish him off when you have the perfect opportunity and then eat rapidly to survive pjers, or risk eating while he's low and hope that you'll get another opportunity later. That's why I quit no-armor fights back when I was f2p: the full runers would always sit there ready to jump on top of you as soon as you killed your foe or you stopped fighting to eat a little bit.

 

 

 

Guys. Pking has no rules. The only rules it has are made up by people like you who dont want to lose their stuff.

 

If you dont want to lose your stuff DONT GO TO PKING WORLDS. Like it has been always, and like it will always be ANYTHING GOES.

 

 

 

Calling people prayer noobs, pjing noobs, def noobs, eaters are all ways you get your kill faster. You do it, then you complain when otheres do!

 

 

 

BAH

 

 

 

I MISS CLASSIC PKING BRING IT BACK :pray:

 

 

 

Which is why it should STOP being "anything goes". You may be fine with any method of killing another player no matter how low and cheap. Believe it or not, some players don't like it when they work hard to get a kill worth quite a lot only for a 1-iteming coward with a dds to jump out and kill you with one spec. I'm against calling others "def noobs, prayer noobs, and eaters" because those are COMBAT tactics. Pjing isn't combat. It's one low player jumping on top of a much stronger player at low hp. Why should anyone stop complaining? If they want a change, they can speak up about it. They have every much of a right to voice their opinion as you do. If Jagex dislikes the idea then I guess it will never change. But I don't think they said anything about it yet, so why should we stop?

[Psycho_Robot]

I understand that PVP worlds have inherent risks and that there are no rules.

 

 

 

I understand that PJers aren't breaking any rules.

 

 

 

I understand that being PJed is relatively easy to avoid, and that you should be prepared for it.

 

 

 

But what I don't understand is why people seem to be opposed to this idea.

 

 

 

First of all, just because something that's been around for ages doesn't mean that it shouldn't be gotten rid of. And just because it CAN be avoided doesn't mean that it should still be allowed. Scamming could be avoided, but Jagex still made updates to get rid of it. Luring could be avoided, but that doesn't mean Jagex was wrong to stop it. And sometimes PJing is extremely difficult to avoid. A prime example is someone with a dark bow or dragon claws. They can hit very high. They hit faster than you can heal. So the "just eat the food you get as a drop" excuse doesn't hold water.

 

 

 

As for running to a safe zone and getting more food, then running to get your drop, this is invalid too. Are we really supposed to do something like that just to be able to pk without being PJed? It seems like the PJers should be the ones who should go through hassle like that, not the PKers that they prey on.

 

 

 

So to those of you who oppose this idea, I ask why? What harm could it do? Apart from taking away a spineless cowardly way to make money, that is.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

So to those of you who oppose this idea, I ask why? What harm could it do? Apart from taking away a spineless cowardly way to make money, that is.

 

 

 

RuneScape has always been soft when it came to dying or losing your stuff. Removing the PJers removes the danger associated with PvP, thus giving the "RS is for babies" fanclub more fodder to work with.

 

 

 

Guys. Pking has no rules. The only rules it has are made up by people like you who dont want to lose their stuff.

 

If you dont want to lose your stuff DONT GO TO PKING WORLDS. Like it has been always, and like it will always be ANYTHING GOES.

 

 

 

Calling people prayer noobs, pjing noobs, def noobs, eaters are all ways you get your kill faster. You do it, then you complain when otheres do!

 

 

 

BAH

 

 

 

I MISS CLASSIC PKING BRING IT BACK :pray:

 

 

 

Which is why it should STOP being "anything goes". You may be fine with any method of killing another player no matter how low and cheap. Believe it or not, some players don't like it when they work hard to get a kill worth quite a lot only for a 1-iteming coward with a dds to jump out and kill you with one spec. I'm against calling others "def noobs, prayer noobs, and eaters" because those are COMBAT tactics. Pjing isn't combat. It's one low player jumping on top of a much stronger player at low hp. Why should anyone stop complaining? If they want a change, they can speak up about it. They have every much of a right to voice their opinion as you do. If Jagex dislikes the idea then I guess it will never change. But I don't think they said anything about it yet, so why should we stop?

 

 

 

Whoa, stop right there. If you don't want it "anything goes", take your scaredy-[wagon] back to the Duel Arena. It's all about risk v. reward in PvP, old Wild, and Bounty Hunter. "Anything goes" is about as high risk as you can get. That's the reason why I admire PvP to a degree -- you can't arbitrarily make rules on how to fight someone just because you want to keep your whip. While I'll admit that PJing is at the same honor level as the old (and new) RC PKers, it doesn't make it wrong to do it, and it doesn't mean that the person is low. It simply means that there is an ever-present danger when PKing, and to be frank, I wouldn't have PKing any other way.

 

 

 

I don't really PvP often, but the experiences from my pures have taught me that you can't just say that such-and-such a style of PvP combat is wrong because it's doing this against me, or against honor. There is no honor in PvP. Kill or be killed.

[Psycho_Robot]

So to those of you who oppose this idea, I ask why? What harm could it do? Apart from taking away a spineless cowardly way to make money, that is.

 

 

 

RuneScape has always been soft when it came to dying or losing your stuff. Removing the PJers removes the danger associated with PvP, thus giving the "RS is for babies" fanclub more fodder to work with.

 

 

 

First of all, the fact that some people wouldn't like something is no reason to avoid doing it. Case in point, the Wilderness updates. Secondly, the danger in PVP should NOT be the PJers.... the danger in PVP should be the PVP ITSELF!

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

So to those of you who oppose this idea, I ask why? What harm could it do? Apart from taking away a spineless cowardly way to make money, that is.

 

 

 

RuneScape has always been soft when it came to dying or losing your stuff. Removing the PJers removes the danger associated with PvP, thus giving the "RS is for babies" fanclub more fodder to work with.

 

 

 

First of all, the fact that some people wouldn't like something is no reason to avoid doing it. Case in point, the Wilderness updates. Secondly, the danger in PVP should NOT be the PJers.... the danger in PVP should be the PVP ITSELF!

 

So are you arguing that PJing isn't a form of PvP? As far as I know, even if you're using the loosest definitions of PvP, you're still facing another player. And that's the type of danger that we both agree should be present, yes?

[Psycho_Robot]

So to those of you who oppose this idea, I ask why? What harm could it do? Apart from taking away a spineless cowardly way to make money, that is.

 

 

 

RuneScape has always been soft when it came to dying or losing your stuff. Removing the PJers removes the danger associated with PvP, thus giving the "RS is for babies" fanclub more fodder to work with.

 

 

 

First of all, the fact that some people wouldn't like something is no reason to avoid doing it. Case in point, the Wilderness updates. Secondly, the danger in PVP should NOT be the PJers.... the danger in PVP should be the PVP ITSELF!

 

So are you arguing that PJing isn't a form of PvP? As far as I know, even if you're using the loosest definitions of PvP, you're still facing another player. And that's the type of danger that we both agree should be present, yes?

 

 

 

Yes it is technically a form of PVP, but a dubious one at best. I don't think it should be a major part of PVP due to the fact that its sneaky and backhanded. I know they're not breaking a rule or doing anything wrong, but at one time, lurers were said not to be doing anything wrong, by a Jagex mod even.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

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So to those of you who oppose this idea, I ask why? What harm could it do? Apart from taking away a spineless cowardly way to make money, that is.

 

 

 

RuneScape has always been soft when it came to dying or losing your stuff. Removing the PJers removes the danger associated with PvP, thus giving the "RS is for babies" fanclub more fodder to work with.

 

 

 

First of all, the fact that some people wouldn't like something is no reason to avoid doing it. Case in point, the Wilderness updates. Secondly, the danger in PVP should NOT be the PJers.... the danger in PVP should be the PVP ITSELF!

 

So are you arguing that PJing isn't a form of PvP? As far as I know, even if you're using the loosest definitions of PvP, you're still facing another player. And that's the type of danger that we both agree should be present, yes?

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Yes it is technically a form of PVP, but a dubious one at best. I don't think it should be a major part of PVP due to the fact that its sneaky and backhanded. I know they're not breaking a rule or doing anything wrong, but at one time, lurers were said not to be doing anything wrong, by a Jagex mod even.

 

Okay, to begin with, you got me with the whole "unpopularity doesn't mean update" bit. Didn't know if that was implied, but there's no counterargument to that. Second, PJing isn't a major part of PvP, since not everyone has either the opportunity or desire to PJ another person. When it comes to combat, being sneaky and backhanded are part of some PKers strategies, and it's probably the only way that a significantly lower level can defeat a significantly high level at Fist of Guthix. Back when I was active on my Black pure, the "sneaky and underhanded" stunt was to immediately switch to a R2H if your opponent was low health to deliver an effective KO to them. No doubt that practice is still in effect, and many players don't really consider it so bad.

 

 

 

Lastly, you use an invalid comparison. Luring was debated so strongly because it fell in that fuzzy "Item Scamming" rule at the time. Jagex mods have also had a bad history of one person saying what the other person was contradicting, too. It can't be seen as comparable to Luring or in the same boat since the dangers are not only implied, but made extremely obvious to you everywhere you look - doesn't matter if you're unarmed, have some D Claws, or are decked out in full Bandos - danger is everywhere.

[FellonyNoob]

yeah i like the idea of 10 seconds after so that people might have the time to run to the bank or to at least heal themselves.

[H2PM]

Dosent anyone know the rule of player killing...?

 

 

 

[hide=The rules of Pking]There are no rules to player killing![/hide] -.-

[Psycho_Robot]

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So to those of you who oppose this idea, I ask why? What harm could it do? Apart from taking away a spineless cowardly way to make money, that is.

 

 

 

RuneScape has always been soft when it came to dying or losing your stuff. Removing the PJers removes the danger associated with PvP, thus giving the "RS is for babies" fanclub more fodder to work with.

 

 

 

First of all, the fact that some people wouldn't like something is no reason to avoid doing it. Case in point, the Wilderness updates. Secondly, the danger in PVP should NOT be the PJers.... the danger in PVP should be the PVP ITSELF!

 

So are you arguing that PJing isn't a form of PvP? As far as I know, even if you're using the loosest definitions of PvP, you're still facing another player. And that's the type of danger that we both agree should be present, yes?

[/hide]

 

 

 

Yes it is technically a form of PVP, but a dubious one at best. I don't think it should be a major part of PVP due to the fact that its sneaky and backhanded. I know they're not breaking a rule or doing anything wrong, but at one time, lurers were said not to be doing anything wrong, by a Jagex mod even.

 

Okay, to begin with, you got me with the whole "unpopularity doesn't mean update" bit. Didn't know if that was implied, but there's no counterargument to that. Second, PJing isn't a major part of PvP, since not everyone has either the opportunity or desire to PJ another person. When it comes to combat, being sneaky and backhanded are part of some PKers strategies, and it's probably the only way that a significantly lower level can defeat a significantly high level at Fist of Guthix. Back when I was active on my Black pure, the "sneaky and underhanded" stunt was to immediately switch to a R2H if your opponent was low health to deliver an effective KO to them. No doubt that practice is still in effect, and many players don't really consider it so bad.

 

 

 

Lastly, you use an invalid comparison. Luring was debated so strongly because it fell in that fuzzy "Item Scamming" rule at the time. Jagex mods have also had a bad history of one person saying what the other person was contradicting, too. It can't be seen as comparable to Luring or in the same boat since the dangers are not only implied, but made extremely obvious to you everywhere you look - doesn't matter if you're unarmed, have some D Claws, or are decked out in full Bandos - danger is everywhere.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that its like a plague on PVP worlds, I know that no everyone does it, but I do know that its common enough to be a problem to honest PKers. The R2H tactic is a valid PK tactic because you're in a battle with someone you choose to be in battle with. You accept the unsaid "terms" of the fight. But when you get PJed you get ambushed you don't want to fight, when your hp is low. Ordinarily if you don't want to fight, you can just run away to a safe zone. But in this situation you can't do that unless you abandon your drop, which is rightfully yours. No player should be put in the position where they have to do that.

 

 

 

As for my comparison to luring, I was not comparing PJing to luring, because there is no doubt that luring was much worse. I brought luring up because it was a "tactic" of questionable merit that was even given the OK by a Jagex mod, but then made against the rules in a news post. So just because Jagex hasn't made it clear one way or another which way they stand doesn't mean they will always continue to do so, nor does it mean that when they do come out to speak their opinion that it will be for it.

[Jaggerum]

Hang on, instead of whining about pjers, how about eating food in your bag just before you finish a fight? Pjers tend not to be able to hit 50+ in 1 hit. Works for me. Alternitavely, save some prayer for the end of a fight, stick it on, take the drops, and tele away.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

... But when you get PJed you get ambushed you don't want to fight, when your hp is low. Ordinarily if you don't want to fight, you can just run away to a safe zone. But in this situation you can't do that unless you abandon your drop, which is rightfully yours. No player should be put in the position where they have to do that.

 

 

 

No player is, if they think about it. Protection Prayers reduce the damage done by any attack by up to 50%, and I'm more than willing to believe that they have food, or have received it as a drop. Pick it up, eat, then run like crazy. Only reason that I think players feel like they're being forced to a fight-or-flight mentality is because they don't remember those oh-so helpful prayers that are still useful in PvP.

 

 

 

As for my comparison to luring, I was not comparing PJing to luring, because there is no doubt that luring was much worse. I brought luring up because it was a "tactic" of questionable merit that was even given the OK by a Jagex mod, but then made against the rules in a news post. So just because Jagex hasn't made it clear one way or another which way they stand doesn't mean they will always continue to do so, nor does it mean that when they do come out to speak their opinion that it will be for it.

 

 

 

Fair enough. But I think that you're attempting to place rules in a zone where rules aren't worth the keyboard they're typed on. Even if a player had a right to that drop, they also put themselves at great risk to get that drop, and they should accept the dangers that are everywhere. If someone's HP is low, or they're unarmed, it doesn't matter - they're in a zone in which they've accepted the danger to them, and if they can't cope with that, then they don't belong on PvP worlds.