Frustrations of a regular miner...

[Kietaro1]

Call me foolish and naive, but I'm sorry if a little common courtesy is too much for you online, I'd hate to know what you are like in real life. Now before you flame me for this being a rant (which I suppose it can qualify as) my question to you is: do you, or would you spot steal? and if so what motivates you to do so, when it only takes 45 seconds to switch worlds.

 

You bring up a very interesting point here. I think that you have looked into the heart of the internet, seen what it has to offer, and are disappointed. While things like courtesy, honor, and spelling well seem to be strong suits of yours, you are a small minority in a place where detachment allows for the type of actions that you have described. If that same person were to stumble upon a person mining in real life, I am sure that some sort of reservation would keep them from trying to mine from the same spot. That analogy is not completely acurate as the rules of mining differ immensely, but the mechainics of that person's actions are the same. The internet offers people the opportunity to act in ways congruent to those you described above. In fact I conjecture that the only thing that keeps people from acting in similar ways all the time is perhaps the fear of having that attitude and behavior reciprocated. It leads to the Golden Rule of "treat[ing] others the way that you want them to treat you". On the internet however that fear and responsiblity disolves leaving the person to be what they truly are, an [wagon].

[NJE03]

"Treat others how you would want to be treated."

 

 

 

The golden rule. I would not like people to steal my spots thus I do not do it to others. If someone does it to me, whatever. They will not make many friends that way though...

[krugtheorc]

"Treat others how you would want to be treated."

 

 

 

The golden rule. I would not like people to steal my spots thus I do not do it to others. If someone does it to me, whatever. They will not make many friends that way though...

 

 

 

One simple problem though...it's a game.

 

 

 

Sure, people 'should' act all gentlemanly when playing, offering spots and giving hints whenever possiable. And for most skills, such as fishing, woodcutting, and cooking, this isn't a problem. But the thing is, there are x amount of worlds, which contain y amount of spots, and (y-g) amount of spots you want to mine at. So theoretically, the game can only handle x(y-g) players mining at the best spots(assuming you don't want to mine copper and tin).

 

 

 

So, when p amount of players is greater than the x(y-g) choice mining spots, the only possiable choice is to steal resources and fight for training and profit. Of course, the line for describing this goes into the moral decision of whether or not stealing resources from another person is right or wrong. In the real world, it is fairly easy to say that this is the wrong thing to do, and earning or having resources given to you is morally right.

 

 

 

But in the view of a game driven by anomynous avatars given only name and profession, morals can be 'relaxed' as there is no definable victim of the crime. Needless to say, being killed in runescape holds less of a grudge than being killed in real life, as all you lost was the time invested in the game in the first place. Some would even argue that this is a good thing, as it would give them a chance to earn the money to re-equip their character.

 

 

 

So, needless to say, when resources are tight and you have the skill to gain resources, even at a reduced rate, that will be taken as the product of choice over not gaining resources at all. So when i come in and steal your spot at the gold ore, keeping a silent vigelence to those thin yellow lines, know that it is not to attack your rights to be there, but to enforce that i have every right to be there as well.

 

 

 

Who knows, if you're not a [cabbager] about it and make a post saying how horriable it is, we can actually make amends and split the spot so i won't 'pwn' you with my 'epic' mining level. Courtousy should not come at the disregard of one person but at the compromise of the two.

 

 

 

One last thing:

 

 

 

in the spirit of the post above me. there will always be a winner and a loser . its up to the loser to deal with it really..

 

IMO anybody with a high mining level is cheating themselves, if they switch servers merely to be so-called polite. so for closing words i quote myself and SCREW COURTESY - ME WANT MORE ORE!!!

 

 

 

No. It is a lose-lose situation in which both parties get reduced gains. Its simple common sense, but seems beyond the limited intelligence of spot crashers.

 

 

 

And if everyone thinks like you and the rest who so direly claim that a spot is only for ONE person, there wouldn't be enough worlds for Jagex to create, if everyone is to have their own little spot.

 

 

 

Thats simple common sense.

 

 

 

So fight for a spot and win it, or lose the spot and whine. The circle continues.

 

 

 

The "I-came-here-first-its-my-spot" idealism is getting pretty old, especially since there are over 200.000 online people at a time. And how many worlds to share?

 

 

 

If you really wanted a spot all to yourself to earn more money for an online game, might i suggest a single player game to relieve the stress of OTHER [CABBAGING] PEOPLE playing a game with you.

[NJE03]

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"Treat others how you would want to be treated."

 

 

 

The golden rule. I would not like people to steal my spots thus I do not do it to others. If someone does it to me, whatever. They will not make many friends that way though...

 

 

 

One simple problem though...it's a game.

 

 

 

Sure, people 'should' act all gentlemanly when playing, offering spots and giving hints whenever possiable. And for most skills, such as fishing, woodcutting, and cooking, this isn't a problem. But the thing is, there are x amount of worlds, which contain y amount of spots, and (y-g) amount of spots you want to mine at. So theoretically, the game can only handle x(y-g) players mining at the best spots(assuming you don't want to mine copper and tin).

 

 

 

So, when p amount of players is greater than the x(y-g) choice mining spots, the only possiable choice is to steal resources and fight for training and profit. Of course, the line for describing this goes into the moral decision of whether or not stealing resources from another person is right or wrong. In the real world, it is fairly easy to say that this is the wrong thing to do, and earning or having resources given to you is morally right.

 

 

 

But in the view of a game driven by anomynous avatars given only name and profession, morals can be 'relaxed' as there is no definable victim of the crime. Needless to say, being killed in runescape holds less of a grudge than being killed in real life, as all you lost was the time invested in the game in the first place. Some would even argue that this is a good thing, as it would give them a chance to earn the money to re-equip their character.

 

 

 

So, needless to say, when resources are tight and you have the skill to gain resources, even at a reduced rate, that will be taken as the product of choice over not gaining resources at all. So when i come in and steal your spot at the gold ore, keeping a silent vigelence to those thin yellow lines, know that it is not to attack your rights to be there, but to enforce that i have every right to be there as well.

 

 

 

Who knows, if you're not a [cabbager] about it and make a post saying how horriable it is, we can actually make amends and split the spot so i won't 'pwn' you with my 'epic' mining level. Courtousy should not come at the disregard of one person but at the compromise of the two.

 

 

 

One last thing:

 

 

 

in the spirit of the post above me. there will always be a winner and a loser . its up to the loser to deal with it really..

 

IMO anybody with a high mining level is cheating themselves, if they switch servers merely to be so-called polite. so for closing words i quote myself and SCREW COURTESY - ME WANT MORE ORE!!!

 

 

 

No. It is a lose-lose situation in which both parties get reduced gains. Its simple common sense, but seems beyond the limited intelligence of spot crashers.

 

 

 

And if everyone thinks like you and the rest who so direly claim that a spot is only for ONE person, there wouldn't be enough worlds for Jagex to create, if everyone is to have their own little spot.

 

 

 

Thats simple common sense.

 

 

 

So fight for a spot and win it, or lose the spot and whine. The circle continues.

 

 

 

The "I-came-here-first-its-my-spot" idealism is getting pretty old, especially since there are over 200.000 online people at a time. And how many worlds to share?

 

 

 

If you really wanted a spot all to yourself to earn more money for an online game, might i suggest a single player game to relieve the stress of OTHER [CABBAGING] PEOPLE playing a game with you.

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So what if it is a game? The people you deal with are just that... PEOPLE. They are not npc's and sometimes people seem to forget that. Sure, you can continue trying to justify being 100% self motivated in game, or you can accept that everyone would be better of if they had courtesy and you can set a good example; the choice is yours. I have never, I repeat NEVER encountered all worlds and mining spots to be full.

[Zaaps1]

I try to be as kind as possible. Like if I'm going on a Bloodveld slayer task I'd gladly switch worlds, same at the Granite mines.

 

 

 

But in some cases it's just not happening. For example Hellhounds. I'm sorry if this happens to any of you, but if I'm slaying Hellhounds and anyone else is there, I'm sorry but I AM laying down my cannon and I AM going to let it fire, and NO I WILL NOT stop. 2-3 world hops are fine with me, but when I gotta hop like 10 times just to find a world with 2 people in it, I'm sorry but I'm going to use all the firepower I have with me.

 

 

 

Same goes when I'm Rune Mining. Hell there's barely any rune in the entire Runescape, if I log into a world and someone else is mining the rock, I'm gonna fight them. I expect any rune miner with half a brain to do the same to me.

[kunasako]

Every person that's responded has a valid point, but only about half of you actually understood fully what I was getting at =S I don't think I was clear enough...

 

 

 

With granite mining there are 3 good spots to mine that are nearly equivalent, spot stealers usually ignore this fact and go for the ONE SPOT that's already taken instead of being courteous and going for one of the other two near equivalent spots.

 

 

 

So its not a matter of fighting for limited resources in this case, as it is in a lot of other cases where I wouldn't consider it spot stealing but competition, ie as in rune mining.

 

 

 

EDIT: Just an FYI for a few people, there are currently 169 worlds available, 3 spots each, so 507 granite mining spots available at any given time. I'd be surprised if even 20% of those are being used at the same time at any given moment, even the most peak times on RS.

[Zaaps1]

Actually some of those 169 are f2p, and therefore do not have available granite spots.

[stutgrtguy]

"Treat others how you would want to be treated."

 

 

 

The golden rule. I would not like people to steal my spots thus I do not do it to others. If someone does it to me, whatever. They will not make many friends that way though...

 

 

 

Amen!

 

 

 

I never spot steal, I think its just plain rude.

 

 

 

Theres plenty of worlds and spots for all. Why use lame excuses just to be a jerk?

[Bauke]

 

So what if it is a game? The people you deal with are just that... PEOPLE. They are not npc's and sometimes people seem to forget that. Sure, you can continue trying to justify being 100% self motivated in game, or you can accept that everyone would be better of if they had courtesy and you can set a good example; the choice is yours. I have never, I repeat NEVER encountered all worlds and mining spots to be full.

 

Yeah it's people... in a game. You can't apply the whole "treat others how you would want to be treated" in a game. Well, you can, but come on. I'm honestly not going to comply with irl morals and ethics while I'm playing a game. I'll do whatever I please to do. If spot stealing was immoral and/or wrong, Jagex would have it made impossible. That's not the case.

 

 

 

Spot stealing is fine. Sure, a mutual agreement that both parties won't steal might benefit, but you can't confine spot stealers with morals and ethics. That's just not right in a game setting.

 

 

 

It's all play. Applying real life on it makes it a bit scary.

[Kilo]

i dont steal

 

 

 

reminds me of barrows

 

 

 

its common courtesy to move off of someone instead of having 2 people on square it takes 2 seconds to do....

 

 

 

if you were there first they should move not you

 

 

 

edit:i remember seeing a topic in questionaires just like this one lol

 

 

 

People move off barrows fights like true gentlemen. Barrows is the 1950's of runescape etiquette.

[NJE03]

 

So what if it is a game? The people you deal with are just that... PEOPLE. They are not npc's and sometimes people seem to forget that. Sure, you can continue trying to justify being 100% self motivated in game, or you can accept that everyone would be better of if they had courtesy and you can set a good example; the choice is yours. I have never, I repeat NEVER encountered all worlds and mining spots to be full.

 

Yeah it's people... in a game. You can't apply the whole "treat others how you would want to be treated" in a game.

Your kidding right? I can and do, and I am not alone in this. Just because you don't care about people because it's "in a game" doesn't mean we all share that view. A little kindness can go a long way, even in a game. :shame:

[pulli23]

"treat others how you want to be treated" - Well that's exactly what I do: I'm actually happy if someone tries to spot steal... It's called "friendly competition", and it really does sharpen the mind, keeps you motivated ("I want to beat that guy"). We're not playing hug-scape, some direct competition is something this game greatly needs with skilling!

 

 

 

And about honour: Well I rather have a honourable fight and loose than be afraid and run away like a dog with its tail between the legs....

 

 

 

Of course if there's another spot available I'll move there, but world hopping: no I won't do that! (Mostly also because I hate loading, and worlds take about 1-2 minutes to load at my pc).

[PlanetX]

Personally, like the majority of the players have posted, I have not stolen any spots of any kind. I don't even complain if they "steal my spot". If I'm mining and a play continuously mines back and forth from "my rock" to another rock, I just go on mining until my inventory is full and leave it for them and switch worlds. I usually keep quiet as to not start anything with any players. I don't run into any arguments either way.

[luker2d2]

This is just like stealing a spot on any other loacation, if your training against fire giants and someone decides to steal your kill. Veryyy annoying.

[Sir_Kurity]

Not only dose switching worlds take to long, it dosen't guarantee that the other world is empty, i used to just switch worlds, but in popular spots, there is almost always someone there.

 

 

 

So what am i gonna do, simply quit mining? Or spot steal, It has nothing to do with "common courtesy" People can say, i was here first so its myne, but people can rebutt with, Youve had your turn its my turn.

 

 

 

See, theres no way to make everyone happy.

[bmnp]

This is why I like being a high level doing shilo slayer tasks. Believe it or not, high level people are nice. The only problems I have with people that don't hop are at places like bloodvelds and kalphites.

[kudos6969]

Sounds like your annoyed because someone has interuppted your powerleveling/grinding, try looking at it in a good way and train one of the other 23 skills

[Bloodkay]

I never spot-steal. And I'm F2P, so the task is somewhat difficult. The mining guild is particularly bad for people who mine what you're mining already, but I don't complain. I may be stubborn and play only on one world, but that's my choice and I'll live with all the nooblets who want to get their coal faster. :P

 

 

 

It's just a game to me ^^"