Laura Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The people who would go all the way are [in most cases] the people who follow speed limits and stop signs because "it's the law". ;) You dont follow stop signs?I'd compare it to a police officer telling you to run red lights and to go over the speed limit. But, meh. The experiment assumes that everyone in the experiment is clueless about electricity. Volts mean nothing when in contact with the human body, where the current and amperage is more of a needed factor. But I don't profess to be an expert electrician either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusqi Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 It's stupid to ask people what they'd do, because the whole point is that in the real experiment you don't know that it's a fake. Similiarly, in the Stanford Prison Experiment where people were randomly set up as guards or prisoners in a mock prison, and the guards ended up making the prisoners do bad things, people who know about it will say that they'd never ever do that because they're so moral, blah blah. Same thing with adverts - everyone says that they never pay attention to adverts and have never bought anything just because they've seen it advertised, but adverts obviously work and people do buy things because of them (perhaps without realising it). People think that the Nazi people must have somehow been different because they did terrible things to Jews, mostly because they don't like to admit that if they had been in the same situation they probably would have done the same thing. The same applies to soldiers more recently in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, who tortured prisoners and took pictures. The statistical fact is that you're probably more animalistic, less caring about other people, and more manipulable than you think. I think that at least if you start out with this assumption in mind, accepting that you are being manipulated all the time, you're more likely to pay attention to the worst situations where this occurs or may occur in future. For it is the greyness of dusk that reigns.The time when the living and the dead exist as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmanpur3 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The people who would go all the way are [in most cases] the people who follow speed limits and stop signs because "it's the law". ;) You dont follow stop signs?Not unless there's a reason to. May the presents of our lord and savior, Santa, be with you this holiday season!First annual Clausmas - 2009 December 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureprayer Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 If 40% of them stopped and 30% of them continued what happened to the other 30%? Pureprayer, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlskid Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Wasn't this also done under a different name? I remember my English teacher (yea I know weird, english teacher talking about psychology) and she was mentioning something like this where you had electrical voltage and you were torchering someone.But the person wasn't really there it was just a psyhology thing where the person was being tested to see how far they would go and everything was the exact same...But the person wasn't in the same room. idk if she was meaning the same thing as this, but she called it the level 32 experiment, 32 levels of voltage. It was set around the time of WWII and my teacher was getting sidetracked about the torture of some crazy scientist guy... idk really what it was all about. So is this the SAME experiment or a different one just REALLY similar? Summoning help:[hide=Wio, lol][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Reminds me of those shock games, like the one where you hold on to a metal handle as long as possible without letting go. The voltage keeps getting slightly heavier over time. I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel555555 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 i'd like to think that i wouldn't do it but you never know until it happens. any volunteers? :twisted: [spoiler=click you know you wanna]Me behave? Seriously? As a child I saw Tarzan almost naked, Cinderella arrived home from a party after midnight, Pinocchio told lies, Aladin was a thief, Batman drove over 200 miles an hour, Snow White lived in a house with seven men, Popeye smoked a pipe and had tattoos, Pac man ran around to digital music while eating pills that enhanced his performance, and Shaggy and Scooby were mystery solving hippies who always had the munchies. The fault is not mine! if you had this childhood and loved it put this in your signature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promise Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 I don't think I'd even start. I'd be too busy asking why the hell can't you do this yourself. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 It's stupid to ask people what they'd do, because the whole point is that in the real experiment you don't know that it's a fake. Similiarly, in the Stanford Prison Experiment where people were randomly set up as guards or prisoners in a mock prison, and the guards ended up making the prisoners do bad things, people who know about it will say that they'd never ever do that because they're so moral, blah blah. Same thing with adverts - everyone says that they never pay attention to adverts and have never bought anything just because they've seen it advertised, but adverts obviously work and people do buy things because of them (perhaps without realising it). People think that the Nazi people must have somehow been different because they did terrible things to Jews, mostly because they don't like to admit that if they had been in the same situation they probably would have done the same thing. The same applies to soldiers more recently in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, who tortured prisoners and took pictures. The statistical fact is that you're probably more animalistic, less caring about other people, and more manipulable than you think. I think that at least if you start out with this assumption in mind, accepting that you are being manipulated all the time, you're more likely to pay attention to the worst situations where this occurs or may occur in future. Exactly what I was going to say. There's no point asking people how far they'd go once they know it's an experiment. The people that took part in the actual experiement all those years ago surely didn't go into it thinking 'yeah, I'm going to go all the way.' It was a study into obedience; giving answers on a forum topic gives no actual indication of obedience. You have to unknowingly take part in the experiment itself for an answer to take any validity. On an other note; I take my hat off to Milgram, and to any other psychologist who's willing to push the stupid boundaries on ethics in order to get an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napalm Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 [hide=][/hide] 40% Didn't force the victim to place the hand on the shock plate. 30% DID What happened to the other 30%? But anwyays, I studied this experiment last year, and it pretty much shows how easily people can be manipulated. It's a shame people are willing to kill just like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earth_Poet Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 The study was inspired by the Nuremburg Trials, when high-ranking Nazi officials gave "we were just following orders" as a defense to the atrocities and crimes committed. As someone said earlier. The study demonstrated how far people are willing to go in deference of authority. As long as someone in charge was telling the participants, "It's my responsibility, not yours," then they were more willing to go all the way. I would like to say I couldn't do it, but look at the statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I'd leave the experiment, knowing that in psychological experiments I can choose to opt out at anytime as well as the person "being shocked". I would have caught on the second they said "go on... you have no choice" er.. actually I do by law lol but obviously I have no idea what would happen if I had no prior knowledge of the experiment. But you can apply this to anything in life that has leaders, such as the workplace or even this very forum. Sorry but if I don't think it's the right thing, I'm not going to shut up and nod. I've never been one to follow something that I disagree with (for valid reasons) just because someone with a rank in front of their name says so. So with that in mind, although unsure of how I would react I have a fair idea that I'd tell them to [bleep] off. I've done it many times before, so would hope I would react the very same way in this experiment. I don't believe in superiors, only equals with titles in front of their names. Some take it to their heads and others don't. But I'm not likely according to past events to shut up and do it because somebody with a rank says so. I'm more likely to tell them to [bleep] off - but I'm sure people know that by now. I'm more concerned about what's right for other people over what someone else thinks or wants from me. I guess you could say I'm not easily manipulated and pick up quite easily when someone is trying to do so. Btw I like Zierro's idea of gender and age differences. Probably add in different ethnics as well or even size! On a completely unrelated note I remember reading one study saying that if you sit next to an obese person in a group job interview that you're less likely to get hired :lol: Also Um bong - I agree with what you said about ethnics. People honestly believe IQ tests are intelligence indicators when they're ethnically biased. The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstain Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Hmm I wonder what the results would be if they changed up the learners. For example, have a pretty girl, a child, an elderly person, and a handicapped person fake being shocked and see how the teachers would react. They actually did change some stuff, one I remember is instead of doing it at Yale, they did it in some run down downtown office building and obedience dropped. You can likely find info on the variations of it he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 The people in that test who blindly followed 'authority' (which was a normal citizen) are a danger to society in any position of power. They should never be given responsibility or leadership in a company, etc., I've read extensively about the test as well, interesting study on how some people will do anything they're told even if it could cause agonizing or lethal pain to a completely innocent third party. There are many personality types which don't allow reasonable challenging of authority, which often stems from childhood. You don't have to follow illegal commands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I'd stop at 350. I don't think I could have the death of somebody hanging over me for the rest of my life. I don't believe that anything a little above 350 volts would actually harm someone. A taser uses 5000 volts to subdue a person, not kill them. Anyway, I don't believe I would do it either. I wouldn't know for sure if the person was in agony or not, unless they were terrible actors. SWAG Mayn U wanna be like me but U can't be me cuz U ain't got ma swagga on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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