Simple as that.. Debate.

 

 

 

Personally I am a firm believer in using the Alter, as not only do you spend much less time gaining the prayer exp, with that saved time you can go remake the money you spent. All this can be done with the time it takes to ecto the bones + remake the money.. with even more time to spare to profit or gain more exp in a different skill.

 

 

 

It's called efficiency people.. try it.

 

 

 

I would like to see anyone with calculations and facts (not opinions and false numbers) to prove me wrong about thinking an alter is the better choice.

 

 

 

Again I say, debate.

Fictional numbers. 280 bones/hour used at ectofuntus, 1k at altar.

 

 

 

252k xp in 1 hour at altar. Cost - 2050k + 25k for teletabs

 

80.6k xp in 1 hour at ecto. Cost - 574k

 

 

 

To get 252k xp at ecto takes 188 minutes, 128 minutes more than using an altar. The cost for 252k xp at ecto is 1795k.

 

 

 

So, at ecto, you save 280k, but spend 128 minutes more. So, if you make over 131k/hour (anyone can do this, pure essence makes you more), you should use the altar.

 

 

 

There.

 

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I fear my bones/hour used at ecto number is a bit high, can anyone confirm or disprove it?

 

To get 252k xp at ecto takes 188 minutes, 128 minutes more than at ecto. The cost for 252k xp at ecto is 1795k.

 

 

 

 

I cannot confirm nor disprove that number.. but I can confirm that you need to fix the bolded/underlined in the quote above.

I just use altar because it's annoying grinding/getting buckets of slime.

Altar wins, the time you save more than makes up for the slight extra cost.

if you really want efficiency, then dagganoth bones on a gilded altar is the way forward, as although it costs almost twice as much as dragon bones, you get almost twice the xp per hour = Win.

 

 

 

never mind, fast xp at altars just got owned. 150k max per hour.

if you really want efficiency, then dagganoth bones on a gilded altar is the way forward, as although it costs almost twice as much as dragon bones, you get almost twice the xp per hour = Win.

 

 

 

never mind, fast xp at altars just got owned. 150k max per hour.

 

I tested it with normal bones (those are still buyable :/), and did a full run of 42 bones with tort in 142 seconds. You can do that around 25 times an hour, which is 265k xp/hour. That's not bad in my opinion, and I never really bothered to use mousekeys so I bet it's even faster than without pray x for me.

 

 

 

Now I just have to hope bones don't stay at like 2500ea after their initial price rise, or my 90 pray will be a whole lot more expensive :|

 

What do you mean? :P

 

 

 

Altars just got afk and faster xp than most people including me previously got (excluding those using mouse keys). Only problem might be bones rising in price a lot and being unbuyable, but that goes for both altars and ecto I guess.

 

 

 

My house needs a really long time to load (around 15 seconds), so that number can even be higher if you have a nearly empty house.

if you really want efficiency, then dagganoth bones on a gilded altar is the way forward, as although it costs almost twice as much as dragon bones, you get almost twice the xp per hour = Win.

 

 

 

never mind, fast xp at altars just got owned. 150k max per hour.

 

Uh. Ourg bones=GG.

Ourg bones are twice the price of dagannoth bones for barely more xp. I call that less efficient.

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if you really want efficiency, then dagganoth bones on a gilded altar is the way forward, as although it costs almost twice as much as dragon bones, you get almost twice the xp per hour = Win.

 

 

 

never mind, fast xp at altars just got owned. 150k max per hour.

 

I tested it with normal bones (those are still buyable :/), and did a full run of 42 bones with tort in 142 seconds. You can do that around 25 times an hour, which is 265k xp/hour. That's not bad in my opinion, and I never really bothered to use mousekeys so I bet it's even faster than without pray x for me.

 

 

 

Now I just have to hope bones don't stay at like 2500ea after their initial price rise, or my 90 pray will be a whole lot more expensive :|

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What do you mean? :P

 

 

 

Altars just got afk and faster xp than most people including me previously got (excluding those using mouse keys). Only problem might be bones rising in price a lot and being unbuyable, but that goes for both altars and ecto I guess.

 

 

 

My house needs a really long time to load (around 15 seconds), so that number can even be higher if you have a nearly empty house.

 

 

 

i have 1 summoning and 50 construction, i dont use bone runners or 'those mouse keys' and i have 54 agility, yet i can manage 300k xp an hour

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if you really want efficiency, then dagganoth bones on a gilded altar is the way forward, as although it costs almost twice as much as dragon bones, you get almost twice the xp per hour = Win.

 

 

 

never mind, fast xp at altars just got owned. 150k max per hour.

 

I tested it with normal bones (those are still buyable :/), and did a full run of 42 bones with tort in 142 seconds. You can do that around 25 times an hour, which is 265k xp/hour. That's not bad in my opinion, and I never really bothered to use mousekeys so I bet it's even faster than without pray x for me.

 

 

 

Now I just have to hope bones don't stay at like 2500ea after their initial price rise, or my 90 pray will be a whole lot more expensive :|

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What do you mean? :P

 

 

 

Altars just got afk and faster xp than most people including me previously got (excluding those using mouse keys). Only problem might be bones rising in price a lot and being unbuyable, but that goes for both altars and ecto I guess.

 

 

 

My house needs a really long time to load (around 15 seconds), so that number can even be higher if you have a nearly empty house.

 

 

 

i have 1 summoning and 50 construction, i dont use bone runners or 'those mouse keys' and i have 54 agility, yet i can manage 300k xp an hour

 

What exactly is your point? You didn't even read what you quoted properly ('those mouse keys'), agility doesn't have anything to do with it and 1 summoning isn't exactly something to brag about either.

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if you really want efficiency, then dagganoth bones on a gilded altar is the way forward, as although it costs almost twice as much as dragon bones, you get almost twice the xp per hour = Win.

 

 

 

never mind, fast xp at altars just got owned. 150k max per hour.

 

I tested it with normal bones (those are still buyable :/), and did a full run of 42 bones with tort in 142 seconds. You can do that around 25 times an hour, which is 265k xp/hour. That's not bad in my opinion, and I never really bothered to use mousekeys so I bet it's even faster than without pray x for me.

 

 

 

Now I just have to hope bones don't stay at like 2500ea after their initial price rise, or my 90 pray will be a whole lot more expensive :|

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What do you mean? :P

 

 

 

Altars just got afk and faster xp than most people including me previously got (excluding those using mouse keys). Only problem might be bones rising in price a lot and being unbuyable, but that goes for both altars and ecto I guess.

 

 

 

My house needs a really long time to load (around 15 seconds), so that number can even be higher if you have a nearly empty house.

 

 

 

i have 1 summoning and 50 construction, i dont use bone runners or 'those mouse keys' and i have 54 agility, yet i can manage 300k xp an hour

 

What exactly is your point? You didn't even read what you quoted properly ('those mouse keys'), agility doesn't have anything to do with it and 1 summoning isn't exactly something to brag about either.

 

 

 

agility is for when you are running and gaining run back, the 1 summoning i am not bragging about, i thought that it would be easy for someone of your clearly high intelligence to work out, but i'll break it down for you:

 

 

 

Some summoning familiars let you hold more bones, or in the case of the spirit terrorbird let you regain run energy.

 

People training prayer may want to use more bones per trip, or be able to run more.

 

People with 1 summoning cannot do this.

 

The people with 1 summoning therefore get slower xp.

 

I manage to get over 150k/h with low agility and no summoning and not using my own house

 

Therefore in theory, it is possible for pretty much everyone to.

Pray is better than ever now, Offer X wins, infact i would use bones on an oak altar just to save me from clicking on 28 bones.

 

What exactly is your point? You didn't even read what you quoted properly ('those mouse keys'), agility doesn't have anything to do with it and 1 summoning isn't exactly something to brag about either.

 

agility is for when you are running and gaining run back, the 1 summoning i am not bragging about, i thought that it would be easy for someone of your clearly high intelligence to work out, but i'll break it down for you:

 

 

 

Some summoning familiars let you hold more bones, or in the case of the spirit terrorbird let you regain run energy.

 

People training prayer may want to use more bones per trip, or be able to run more.

 

People with 1 summoning cannot do this.

 

The people with 1 summoning therefore get slower xp.

 

I manage to get over 150k/h with low agility and no summoning and not using my own house

 

Therefore in theory, it is possible for pretty much everyone to.

 

Hmm, you are right about the summoning. But it seemed like you were saying 'you suck, look at the xp I get even without using those things'.

 

Besides, you shouldn't even be running, better to use house teleport. Agility doesn't matter even when you're running, if you manage to run out of energy you should bring an energy potion.

 

To me it seems like you just messed up old and new xp rates, w/e

 

To get 252k xp at ecto takes 188 minutes, 128 minutes more than at ecto. The cost for 252k xp at ecto is 1795k.

 

 

 

 

I cannot confirm nor disprove that number.. but I can confirm that you need to fix the bolded/underlined in the quote above.

 

 

 

Numbers are correct. I got ~the same result from 52-60 Prayer.

 

 

 

Its more efficient to alter.

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if you really want efficiency, then dagganoth bones on a gilded altar is the way forward, as although it costs almost twice as much as dragon bones, you get almost twice the xp per hour = Win.

 

 

 

never mind, fast xp at altars just got owned. 150k max per hour.

 

I tested it with normal bones (those are still buyable :/), and did a full run of 42 bones with tort in 142 seconds. You can do that around 25 times an hour, which is 265k xp/hour. That's not bad in my opinion, and I never really bothered to use mousekeys so I bet it's even faster than without pray x for me.

 

 

 

Now I just have to hope bones don't stay at like 2500ea after their initial price rise, or my 90 pray will be a whole lot more expensive :|

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What do you mean? :P

 

 

 

Altars just got afk and faster xp than most people including me previously got (excluding those using mouse keys). Only problem might be bones rising in price a lot and being unbuyable, but that goes for both altars and ecto I guess.

 

 

 

My house needs a really long time to load (around 15 seconds), so that number can even be higher if you have a nearly empty house.

 

 

 

i have 1 summoning and 50 construction, i dont use bone runners or 'those mouse keys' and i have 54 agility, yet i can manage 300k xp an hour

 

What exactly is your point? You didn't even read what you quoted properly ('those mouse keys'), agility doesn't have anything to do with it and 1 summoning isn't exactly something to brag about either.

 

 

 

agility is for when you are running and gaining run back, the 1 summoning i am not bragging about, i thought that it would be easy for someone of your clearly high intelligence to work out, but i'll break it down for you:

 

 

 

Some summoning familiars let you hold more bones, or in the case of the spirit terrorbird let you regain run energy.

 

People training prayer may want to use more bones per trip, or be able to run more.

 

People with 1 summoning cannot do this.

 

The people with 1 summoning therefore get slower xp.

 

I manage to get over 150k/h with low agility and no summoning and not using my own house

 

Therefore in theory, it is possible for pretty much everyone to.

 

 

 

Well, Agility doesn't really matter. If you can use bones more than 2k each, you can buy Super Energies ~1k ea

I guess it just depends on whether you value your money or your time more.

^NO. Time is money; you cannot value time over time nor money over money. It depends on how much money per hour you can make; and judging from the general consensus that altars are better, the moneymaking requirement must be fairly low.

It's a clear fact that altar is the way to go in terms of experience aswell as money spent in the long run.However,it all comes down to whichever method you prefer,assuming some like grinding away at bones.Other than that,there is no reason (logical or otherwise) to choose Ectofunctus over Gilded Altar.

Gilded Alter is much faster!

I prefer cost over time. As someone who's stingee with money, Using the Ecto is best because I dont need to buy as much bones, and if your patient enough (after all the grinding etc) it saves money. But I do need to say Altar is at least 3x - 5x faster so I must go with that.

I prefer cost over time.

 

 

 

You're acting as if it's based on personal preference. It's not.

Altar wins, the time you save more than makes up for the slight extra cost.

 

This. After trying both, gilded altar is by far the best because its about 4 times faster from only -50% of the exp.