Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

there are quite a few 12 year old tiffers who are smart, and mature enough to be able to do that.

 

also, at eleven I'd figured out my religious views fully, and was able to explain them, decently. not as well as I could now. but still./quote]

 

Are you/they the rule or the exception?

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs.

 

 

 

Then he should shut the heck up before posting controversial and ignorant opinions based on them or be prepared to suffer for it.

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

 

 

I was twelve two days ago. :cry:

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

there are quite a few 12 year old tiffers who are smart, and mature enough to be able to do that.

 

also, at eleven I'd figured out my religious views fully, and was able to explain them, decently. not as well as I could now. but still.

 

Are you/they the rule or the exception?

 

don't quite understand the question. the only thing I'd really formed an opinion on at a young age was religion, mainly because my family was so pushy about religion, and I was tired of them being so strict about it.

 

I was unbelievably ignorant about things at a younger age, and was until about a year, year and a half ago.

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

 

 

Stop defending the guy. The sort of stuff the guy is saying is not far off from what the anti gay marriage crowd actually say. They just say it more eloquently and with more spin and less obvious fallacies.

 

 

 

Plus, most people aren't that stupid when they're twelve. When I was 12 and at school we could at least write understandable sentences and think through an argument to the point where it actually made sense. It really isn't that much to ask.

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

there are quite a few 12 year old tiffers who are smart, and mature enough to be able to do that.

 

also, at eleven I'd figured out my religious views fully, and was able to explain them, decently. not as well as I could now. but still.

 

and take a video when the monkeys fly out please?

 

that is one reason that noone will listen to me beacause im a 14 year old boy to be exact yes im sure im 14 not 12 deathdrow and to tell you guys something i am smart maybe not to you guys but in my own kinda way and in school im in honors classes and all that and im actualy listening to you guys unlike you guys are listening to me and true noob if you want this to be an open discusion why do you want me to to shut up i mean it peoples these days no wonder are government sucks and is allowing same sex marriage because people elect people like you and true noob the reason i dont like typing right is becuase i hate typing and im just working on my typing skills while expressing something

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and guys im not 12 im ****ing 14 almost 15

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

 

 

Stop defending the guy. The sort of stuff the guy is saying is not far off from what the anti gay marriage crowd actually say. They just say it more eloquently and with more spin and less obvious fallacies.

 

 

 

Plus, most people aren't that stupid when they're twelve. When I was 12 and at school we could at least write understandable sentences and think through an argument to the point where it actually made sense. It really isn't that much to ask.

 

 

 

Actually, 12-13 year olds are that stupid. :wall: That, or it's just the area I live in.

Chill people, a couple of years ago he thought girls were nasty.

 

 

 

 

 

Yay for another state! Unfortunatly it may take DECADES for any Mexican state to recognize it, but people here are alot more tolerant now (atleast young people)

 

 

 

Maybe i should move to Iowa! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18034102/ = awesome

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

there are quite a few 12 year old tiffers who are smart, and mature enough to be able to do that.

 

also, at eleven I'd figured out my religious views fully, and was able to explain them, decently. not as well as I could now. but still.

 

and take a video when the monkeys fly out please?

 

that is one reason that noone will listen to me beacause im a 14 year old boy to be exact yes im sure im 14 not 12 deathdrow and to tell you guys something i am smart maybe not to you guys but in my own kinda way and in school im in honors classes and all that and im actualy listening to you guys unlike you guys are listening to me and true noob if you want this to be an open discusion why do you want me to to shut up i mean it peoples these days no wonder are government sucks and is allowing same sex marriage because people elect people like you and true noob the reason i dont like typing right is becuase i hate typing and im just working on my typing skills while expressing something

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and guys im not 12 im ****ing 14 almost 15

 

well then you just can't [bleep]ing write a sentence or use proper grammar.

 

and also, as stated before

 

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NATURAL.

 

homosexuality has nothing to do with god. so stop putting in the god argument, we already completely denounced it. so stop trying.

 

people as ignorant as you piss me the hell off.

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

there are quite a few 12 year old tiffers who are smart, and mature enough to be able to do that.

 

also, at eleven I'd figured out my religious views fully, and was able to explain them, decently. not as well as I could now. but still.

 

and take a video when the monkeys fly out please?

 

that is one reason that noone will listen to me beacause im a 14 year old boy to be exact yes im sure im 14 not 12 deathdrow and to tell you guys something i am smart maybe not to you guys but in my own kinda way and in school im in honors classes and all that and im actualy listening to you guys unlike you guys are listening to me and true noob if you want this to be an open discusion why do you want me to to shut up i mean it peoples these days no wonder are government sucks and is allowing same sex marriage because people elect people like you and true noob the reason i dont like typing right is becuase i hate typing and im just working on my typing skills while expressing something

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and guys im not 12 im ****ing 14 almost 15

 

 

 

 

 

PLEASE. Tell me why the [bleep] gay marriages are wrong? And don't give me some [cabbage] that god says it's wrong. -.-

Chill the [bleep] out guys, seriously. He's like twelve, he has no idea about his own beliefs. I formed my own beliefs less than a year ago, plus they're still evolving and changing constantly. If you can find me a twelve year old who has fully found their own beliefs, can explain them enough to satisfy themselves, monkeys will fly out of my [wagon]. I don't think there's a single person here who can do that. He might be broadcasting his ignorance, but plenty of adults do it on a larger level.

 

there are quite a few 12 year old tiffers who are smart, and mature enough to be able to do that.

 

also, at eleven I'd figured out my religious views fully, and was able to explain them, decently. not as well as I could now. but still.

 

and take a video when the monkeys fly out please?

 

that is one reason that noone will listen to me beacause im a 14 year old boy to be exact yes im sure im 14 not 12 deathdrow and to tell you guys something i am smart maybe not to you guys but in my own kinda way and in school im in honors classes and all that and im actualy listening to you guys unlike you guys are listening to me and true noob if you want this to be an open discusion why do you want me to to shut up i mean it peoples these days no wonder are government sucks and is allowing same sex marriage because people elect people like you and true noob the reason i dont like typing right is becuase i hate typing and im just working on my typing skills while expressing something

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and guys im not 12 im ****ing 14 almost 15

 

well then you just can't [bleep] write a sentence or use proper grammar.

 

and also, as stated before

 

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NATURAL.

 

homosexuality has nothing to do with god. so stop putting in the god argument, we already completely denounced it. so stop trying.

 

people as ignorant as you piss me the hell off.

 

 

 

How is it natural?

When you're 12-14 you usually have better things to worry about :lol:

 

I'm not sure there are many that are interested in formal debate as much as hanging out with friends and playing games.

I've always found it funny how gay marriage topics gets tons of pages which usually devolve into religious debates.

 

 

 

Oh, and rock on 12 year old dude (Minus the whole Satan thing).

When you're 12-14 you usually have better things to worry about :lol:

 

I'm not sure there are many that are interested in formal debate as much as hanging out with friends and playing games.

 

I must have no life then. I enjoy this kind of stuff. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is it natural?

 

Some people are just naturally attracted to the same sex. They aren't attracted to the opposite. It's just a natural state of mind they can't control.

 

 

 

Usually. In some cases, they just pretend to be homo because they think it's cool. But I don't think that's the majority here.

Stop defending the guy. The sort of stuff the guy is saying is not far off from what the anti gay marriage crowd actually say. They just say it more eloquently and with more spin and less obvious fallacies.

 

 

 

Plus, most people aren't that stupid when they're twelve. When I was 12 and at school we could at least write understandable sentences and think through an argument to the point where it actually made sense. It really isn't that much to ask.

 

So you could defend your personal beliefs against people up to ten years older than you who've pretty much found what they like, not to mention rabidly attack beliefs that they find ridiculous (I find it stupid too, but you'd find a similar answer from a five-year old) ... When you were twelve? It isn't like people are taking him seriously, you're demolishing him.

 

 

 

But, now that I know he's about as old as me, I can destroy him too. Need a team change button, because he's old enough to learn not to take dogma so ... dogmatically. So, I'm pretty much done. Not my fault he has less formulated beliefs than my eight year old cousin.

 

 

 

How is it natural?

 

Well, it naturally occurs for the most part, as all sexuality and fetishes, whatever, does. If you mean it's kinda wierd, I think so as well, but I guess they think we're wierd. That's why they're commonly referred to as queers. It wasn't exactly derogative, just a word for wierd that got rolled up as always.

I've always found it funny how gay marriage topics gets tons of pages which usually devolve into religious debates.

 

 

 

Oh, and rock on 12 year old dude (Minus the whole Satan thing).

 

 

 

I don't see any satanists here. :?

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

I've always found it funny how gay marriage topics gets tons of pages which usually devolve into religious debates.

 

 

 

Oh, and rock on 12 year old dude (Minus the whole Satan thing).

 

 

 

Cmon man, you know better.

 

 

 

Give the list a go*

 

 

 

 

1. Euthryphro dilemma

 

2. Evidence for the Bible being the word of God in the first place

 

3. Inconsistencies in enforcing certain Biblical passages and not others.

 

4. Evidence to support the claim that an objective moral standard can only exist if we posit a God

 

5. Homosexuality occurs throughout nature so by the same reasoning God created homosexuality. This isn't a case of the whole stupid free will thing anyway because as shown thousands of times to you morons, homosexuality isn't a conscious choice.

 

6. Evidence for the existence of God

 

7. If *faith* or *the scientific method and/or reason not being applicable to the question of God's existence* is the answer to 6, how this has any place in the laws of an officially secular country deemed so by the first amendment of the constitution.

 

8. Justification for allowing the Church to discriminate based on genetic traits and how this differs to the anti-miscegenation laws other than the fact that most people don't consider the denying of gays the right to marry as unconstitutional.

 

 

 

*i) No "there is no separation of Church and state"

There really isn't anything about modern society that IS 'natural' though. We're using high powered machines to speak to others halfway around the world while sitting in large, fairly permanent nests wearing manufactured fur.

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

 

 

What does marriage have to do with procreation?

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

Wrong. It is natural, but you can call it something that was not intented like this by nature (or the bearded guy, if you believe that crap). Surely, we wouldn't have come this far if everyone was gay, and it would be... rather awkward if EVERYONE was gay, but it still is a commonly observed feature in nature.

 

 

 

You could call being gay an "abnormality", also due to the fact that most homosexuals have a few parts of the brain that differ from the average (straight) person. But that is absolutely no judgement or moral qualification. It just is what it is. And it ain't wrong, doesn't hurt anyone.

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

It is natural. People just feel the attraction towards the same sex, rather than the opposite. It's just how you think.

 

 

 

Kind of like someone who finds pleasure in killing people. A minority enjoys seeing people suffer, the majority will think it's sickening. But the person who finds the pleasure in killing didn't really choose, "I think I'm going to start liking killing things."

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

It is natural. People just feel the attraction towards the same sex, rather than the opposite. It's just how you think.

 

 

 

Kind of like someone who finds pleasure in killing people. A minority enjoys seeing people suffer, the majority will think it's sickening. But the person who finds the pleasure in killing didn't really choose, "I think I'm going to start liking killing things."

 

Sure. But that's surely an abnormality. This clearly is something that isn't experienced often in our society. And, more importantly, that behaviour violates the rights of other people, while being gay does not.

It is natural. A lot of people are homosexual (6% in my country) so not quite an extremely rare thing. Also, a lot of animals can be gay. For example, fruit flies become increasingly homosexual if the temperature decreases. No, I'm not joking.

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Implying your (religious) morals on other people is just pathetic. Just keep it to yourself and don't bother other people with it.

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just isn't natural. The bilological purpose of sex is reproduction, the fact that it feels good is just an incentive.

 

homosexuality is natural though, it can happen by a gene, is naturally occurring in humans, and can be caused by traumas experienced in someone's life.

 

Reproducing feels good to you, but to homosexuals, it can be just as weird as you think it is for them to like it in a different sense. but do you realize the prostate is the male equivalent to the [bleep]oris, and it feels better for men when they have anal sex? and with lesbianism, woman can do pretty much the same men can do to them.

 

The fact is gay sex might seem weird to you, but to them it's normal, and your normal forms of intercourse, could be considered weird to them.

 

Also, if you look at the fetishes people have, It is deemed to be normal by society(to an extent of what the fetish itself is, but fetishes in general are accepted), it's the same thing with homosexuality, but most people don't think of it in the same way.

 

I know I screwed something I said in there up, but im not sure what.