3rd April 2009 - Forums for High level F2P'ers!

[Qeauxraline]

Personally, I am very glad that they are allowing high level F2Pers to have forum access, depending on what JAGEX calls "high level", which from past experience, is not very high. Truly high level F2Pers are some of the most dedicated players in the game, so it will be nice having their input.

 

 

 

Just please, no advertisements in the forums...

 

 

 

Oh! And for goodness' sake... Stop with the "we are paying for F2P servers. They don't deserve this." That is what advertisements are for. That is why there are everywhere except P2P areas of the game. You lease the advertising spot for a predetermined amount of time and money. That's how advertisements work. We pay for our own *advertisement free* servers.

[Maximusa]

I think they should have adverts on the forums for f2pers. Then I be happy with it. They could even have embedded adverts for the forums.

 

 

 

They should be given incentive to become members. Some people just prefer posting on the forums more than the actual gameplay so incentive is still needed to not just freeload - To become members.

 

 

 

edit: This is also a good idea if they ever decided to upgrade the forums and give members more benefits over f2pers. If they ever updated them to include this benefit.

[Great_one]

Truly high level F2Pers are some of the most dedicated players in the game, so it will be nice having their input.

 

and my opinion

 

i suppose i'm just kinda sour bc i player f2p for 4 months w/o any updates then transfered to members like a normal person would do, not taking pride out of being "f2p 4 leif!!1!!" ...seriously what is the glory in making your own life harder if it doesn't better anyone else?

 

 

 

thats like getting a job then forcing the boss to use the money you would earn to wipe his own [wagon] and throw it away, just so you can have a harder life and be p00r 4 lief . no glory in f2p

[champion]

*invisions f2p posts "i wAnt t0 g0 kpd n00b take me! i has 40 range and Maple b0w!!1"*

 

No one would do that.

[Great_one]

*invisions f2p posts "i wAnt t0 g0 kpd n00b take me! i has 40 range and Maple b0w!!1"*

 

No one would do that.

 

if they are alowed to post there, it will happen.

 

seriously why do you think the took the rsc part out for rs2 players.

 

-"buying d med 2.5m,not this is onyl rsc!"

 

~12 other posts~ "1 s3ll 2m pm me i'll be at the ge world 99!1!!"

[bluehooloovo]

*invisions f2p posts "i wAnt t0 g0 kpd n00b take me! i has 40 range and Maple b0w!!1"*

 

No one would do that.

 

if they are alowed to post there, it will happen.

 

seriously why do you think the took the rsc part out for rs2 players.

 

-"buying d med 2.5m,not this is onyl rsc!"

 

~12 other posts~ "1 s3ll 2m pm me i'll be at the ge world 99!1!!"

Well, considering that it's going to be high level f2p'ers, I can only hope that no one with 40 ranged will be invited. -.- Yes, there will be stupid posts. But honestly, given the complaints on tif about how much the RSOF sucks, I wouldn't think that they'd be noticed. :-#

 

 

 

Jagex (well, MMG, at least) has expressed a desire to upgrade all of Runescape to make it less annoying - and some annoying stuff overlaps members and f2p. They've (he's) also said that they don't consider f2p a demo, and they want to update it so that it doesn't feel as much like one. Who better to give input on that than those f2p'ers who've done it all a thousand (million) times?

[ddaanniiellh]

 

First of all, fullscreen vs. HD requires minimal rendering power - it's almost all scaled by the client. Secondly, your randomly guessing at the number of players in each world - unless you do a sample with the exact numbers of each world over a period of time, your just making random numbers up to suit whatever purpose you have. The truth is that Jagex has put the number of ACTIVE players at over 6,000,000, and the number of members as over 1,000,000. That means that for every active member there are 5 active FTPers - and while you can make the argument about playing time, the world populations shows that it doesn't outstrip the 5 to 1 disadvantage.

 

 

 

 

If you read my orginal post, you should've read at the time of that post, those were the numbers, I didn't add up the exact amounts, I simply took the lower limits of each subset (2k, 1-2k, and 500-1k), and I actually counted how many fell in each subset.

 

 

 

Also, ACTIVE players means nothing. Does active mean, played one hour a week, one hour a day, 8 hours a day, or something else. This is a highly ambiguous word that can be interpreted in many ways. The only accurate way of figuring out how much server space is actually used, is continuously taking samples of how many people are on all F2P and P2P worlds at time intervals, with the numbers being slightly skewed towards F2P (As P2Pers can go on F2P, but the reverse cannot happen). I do not have the time, nor the will to do this at the current time.

 

~Dan

[compfreak847]

 

If you read my orginal post, you should've read at the time of that post, those were the numbers, I didn't add up the exact amounts, I simply took the lower limits of each subset (2k, 1-2k, and 500-1k), and I actually counted how many fell in each subset.

 

Really, I missed the exact counting. Convenient how all those numbers fell precisely on even 100s, is it not :roll:

 

 

 

Not that it would matter, grabbing lower and upper limits means nothing, especially when the data set size varies. I'm afraid that Jagex's active player numbers are slightly more revealing then your completely made up 'data'.

[ddaanniiellh]

 

If you read my orginal post, you should've read at the time of that post, those were the numbers, I didn't add up the exact amounts, I simply took the lower limits of each subset (2k, 1-2k, and 500-1k), and I actually counted how many fell in each subset.

 

Really, I missed the exact counting. Convenient how all those numbers fell precisely on even 100s, is it not :roll:

 

 

 

Not that it would matter, grabbing lower and upper limits means nothing, especially when the data set size varies. I'm afraid that Jagex's active player numbers are slightly more revealing then your completely made up 'data'.

 

The actual numbers were all higher than that...the lowest populated world was at 600 persons at the time, and my data was all rounded down, for your benefit of the doubt. How about this, you go add them all up right now, and let me know what you get?

 

~Dan

 

 

 

[Edit]: Actually, I'll go add up exactly the amount right now.

[compfreak847]

 

The actual numbers were all higher than that...the lowest populated world was at 600 persons at the time, and my data was all rounded down, for your benefit of the doubt. How about this, you go add them all up right now, and let me know what you get?

 

~Dan

 

 

 

[Edit]: Actually, I'll go add up exactly the amount right now.

 

I'll be eaglery awaiting your response. Oh, and don't forget you'll have to get samples from several different time zones. For example, countries with lower average incomes located in certain regions could cause FTP numbers to rise and PTP numbers to fall for specific time zones, and so forth and so on with richer regions. It'll be interesting to see if my theory is correlated. Start with samples every 4 hours, it should be enough to indicate a pattern :P

[warren211]

I don't see why it's a bad idea as long as it's controlled. I would think a 100+ combat requirement or a rather high skill total requirement would be good.

 

 

 

The only thing I have a problem with is... what would f2p contribute to the forums? All they'd have is "f2p should get this update" and maybe some pking discussions. But the f2p system isn't so diverse where there can be hundreds of different discussions on training methods and monsters like in p2p.

[ddaanniiellh]

Smallest world has 377 People

 

There are currently 103,742 People Online

 

[hide=300-400]World 52: 377

 

World 54: 379

 

World 137: 382

 

World 124: 383

 

World 121: 385

 

World 67: 386

 

World 71: 387

 

World 117: 388

 

World 138: 389

 

World 84: 389

 

World 151: 390

 

World 68: 391

 

World 51: 391

 

World 148: 393

 

World 53: 395

 

World 133: 397

 

World 69: 397

 

World 82: 398

 

 

 

Total: 6997

 

Total up to Now: 6997[/hide]

 

[hide=401-500 People]World 23: 407

 

World 160: 422

 

World 83: 446

 

 

 

Total: 1275

 

Total up to Now: 8272[/hide]

 

[hide=501-600]World 92: 515

 

World 24: 537

 

World 156: 568

 

World 166: 572

 

 

 

Total: 2192

 

Total up to Now: 10464[/hide]

 

[hide=601-700]World 111: 603

 

World 110: 604

 

World 112: 623

 

World 143: 634

 

World 116: 664

 

World 157: 671

 

World 115: 671

 

World 18: 673

 

World 114: 675

 

 

 

Total: 5818

 

Total Up to Now: 16282[/hide]

 

[hide=701-800]World 12: 726

 

World 145: 791

 

 

 

Total: 1517

 

Total Up to Now: 17799[/hide]

 

[hide=801-900]World 132: 828

 

World 159: 877

 

World 15: 882

 

World 65: 893

 

 

 

Total: 3480

 

Total Up to Now: 21279[/hide]

 

[hide=901-1000]World 99: 911

 

World 48: 911

 

World 42: 911

 

World 72: 912

 

World 56: 912

 

World 46: 912

 

World 45: 912

 

World 59: 913

 

Wolrd 28: 913

 

World 130: 914

 

World 39: 914

 

World 36: 914

 

World 70: 915

 

World 98: 916

 

World 97: 916

 

World 79: 917

 

World 89: 919

 

World 76: 919

 

World 22: 920

 

World 27: 921

 

World 164: 923

 

World 77: 923

 

World 100: 925

 

World 88: 925

 

World 104: 926

 

World 103: 927

 

World 91: 930

 

World 60: 954

 

 

 

Total: 25723

 

Total Up to Now: 47002[/hide]

 

[hide=1001-1500]Note: I broadened the range, because there were very few worlds left

 

World 66: 1013

 

World 26: 1052

 

World 64: 1097

 

World 129: 1106

 

World 9: 1277

 

World 158: 1398

 

 

 

Total: 6943

 

Total Up to Now: 53945[/hide]

 

[hide=1501-2000]World 144: 1525

 

World 31: 1576

 

World 44: 1861

 

World 6: 2000

 

World 2: 2000

 

 

 

Total: 8962

 

Total Up to Now: 62907[/hide]

 

Total P2Pers on P2P Worlds: 62907

 

 

 

62907/103742 = ~60% of the online population is currently P2P

 

 

 

There you go.

 

 

 

[Edit]: Just found a site that keeps track of this stuff, and it validates what I am saying:

 

http://www.sercrui.com/popgraph

[compfreak847]

Good, my point is effectively proven. 7% of the revenue (minus what the main site earns for both FTP and PTP), vs. 42% of the bandwith\cpu power and 12,000% of the storage space. Thanks for verifying it, though.

[Forerunner]

Don't visit RSOF anymore. But good for you, experienced F2P.

 

 

 

Lol, since when did Jagex start calling themselves Jagex Game Studios? Is Microsoft buying them out or something?

[ddaanniiellh]

Ok, so what you have said is correct (Not...exactly sure how you came up with 12000% more storage space though...given that everything is simply stored as data, and most P2Pers have more data per than 3-4 F2Per)

 

 

 

However...since this is already happening, exactly how much of this is changed by allowing High-leveled F2Pers into the RSOF? You have been simply ranting the entire time about how much F2P has cost to maintain, exactly how does this relate to letting F2Pers into the RSOF? How much more server space will this require?

 

~Dan

[compfreak847]

It'll require extra bandwidth costs, cost money for mods to override forum mods, waste more server storage space, and provide that many more hassle for Jagex to deal with relating to hosting. Increasing maintenance costs means taking money away from members that would otherwise be used for updates, with no advantage - no ones going to become PTP because they can now access forums as a FTP player.

[Forerunner]

It'll require extra bandwidth costs, cost money for mods to override forum mods, waste more server storage space, and provide that many more hassle for Jagex to deal with relating to hosting. Increasing maintenance costs means taking money away from members that would otherwise be used for updates, with no advantage - no ones going to become PTP because they can now access forums as a FTP player.

 

 

 

I disagree with the last phrase. I highly doubt ANYONE pays for membership just so they can access the forums.

 

Obviously, it's not going to gain profit, but then again it's equally obvious that Jagex have thought about this & are willing to reach out further into the player community.

[compfreak847]

I disagree with the last phrase. I highly doubt ANYONE pays for membership just so they can access the forums.

 

Obviously, it's not going to gain profit, but then again it's equally obvious that Jagex have thought about this & are willing to reach out further into the player community.

 

Actually, I have 7 friends who pay for members for a month every now and then to post suggestions on the forum. So there goes your theory of no one.

 

 

 

And sorry, but the whole thing about Jagex 'not caring about money, they just want to reach out into the community and promote fairness and equality' is exactly the type of promotional crap they want you to believe while getting as much money as they can behind the scenes, just like every other company.

[mikeg0477]

I disagree with the last phrase. I highly doubt ANYONE pays for membership just so they can access the forums.

 

Obviously, it's not going to gain profit, but then again it's equally obvious that Jagex have thought about this & are willing to reach out further into the player community.

 

Actually, I have 7 friends who pay for members for a month every now and then to post suggestions on the forum. So there goes your theory of no one.

 

 

 

And sorry, but the whole thing about Jagex 'not caring about money, they just want to reach out into the community and promote fairness and equality' is exactly the type of promotional crap they want you to believe while getting as much money as they can behind the scenes, just like every other company.

 

Man, when your 7 friends pay for that month of membership, does that make your game experience better? Are there more updates that month? Because if not, the whole "FtP is draggin us down" argument is failed.

 

 

 

OT: I don't do RSOF, it's a frakkin' noob-o-rama, so I don't care.

[Sir_Kurity]

There might be a few people who go member just for forums, but i doubt they are many.

 

 

 

Also, with the subject of new players on forums, older players would generally be smarter. Even if they were dumb, jagex could hand out forum mod powers to more people to deal with the influx of f2p players.

[Forerunner]

I disagree with the last phrase. I highly doubt ANYONE pays for membership just so they can access the forums.

 

Obviously, it's not going to gain profit, but then again it's equally obvious that Jagex have thought about this & are willing to reach out further into the player community.

 

Actually, I have 7 friends who pay for members for a month every now and then to post suggestions on the forum. So there goes your theory of no one.

 

 

 

And sorry, but the whole thing about Jagex 'not caring about money, they just want to reach out into the community and promote fairness and equality' is exactly the type of promotional crap they want you to believe while getting as much money as they can behind the scenes, just like every other company.

 

 

 

You misunderstood me.

 

"I highly doubt ANYONE pays for membership JUST so they can access the forums." Note the bold word.

 

Unless you're actually employed by Jagex or have some sort of relation with a Jagex employee, you couldn't possibly know for a fact that in the end Jagex will expect money from this.

[compfreak847]

You misunderstood me.

 

"I highly doubt ANYONE pays for membership JUST so they can access the forums." Note the bold word.

 

What part did I misunderstand? I told you of 7 friends who paied for membership JUST so they can access the forum. Notice the capitalized word.

 

Unless you're actually employed by Jagex or have some sort of relation with a Jagex employee, you couldn't possibly know for a fact that in the end Jagex will expect money from this.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/business/career_and_jobs/best_100_companies/article1476967.ece

 

Notice how Jagex isn't listed as a 'non profit' organization? Yeah, that means they are interested in making money, not giving their customers a warm fuzzy feeling :roll:

[Wizz]

NOOOOOEEESSS!

[Sir_Kurity]

All this taken from

 

 

 

9th February 2009 - The Future of RuneScape

 

 

 

 

 

If anything, we see the members version as an expansion pack for those that really love the game and we feel both games are substantive in their own right. I want to apologise for habitually over-promoting the benefits of membership to our free players.

 

 

 

f you can't enjoy the free game in its own right then we're not doing our jobs properly. We will continue to improve the free game and, crucially, make it as fun as possible because we know that this is the way that everyone first discovers RuneScape.

 

 

 

but as one of our fundamental philosophies is that having fun is more important to us than making as much money as possible, we have removed video adverts from the game.

 

 

 

So, as you can see jagex wants free players to have fun as well, and having fun is more important to us than making as much money as possible.

 

 

 

Making forums f2p won't substantially reduce profits for jagex, and yet it will make the free play game alot funner.

[The Dark Lord]

Why don't they make a separate set of forums for F2P'ers? That way, the regular RSOF wouldn't have to worry about the amount of spam doubling due to the influx of F2Pers.