The BNP - Nazis or just misunderstood?

[Housepig]

They want to legalize rape.

 

Rape is just sex, women like sex, therefore women should just like rape!

 

 

 

 

Uhh...the guy who said that was withdrawn as a mayoral candidate. And he never said it should be legalised; he just suggested that rape is not a problem. I don't agree of course, but saying they want to legalise it is just ever so slightly misleading.

[meol]

Uhh...the guy who said that was withdrawn as a mayoral candidate. And he never said it should be legalised; he just suggested that rape is not a problem. I don't agree of course, but saying they want to legalise it is just ever so slightly misleading.

 

You'll have to excuse him. Far leftists tend to think ethics and legality should be bound.

 

 

 

 

 

By the way, Zierro, do you understand they're basically indulging their racism on the basis of "they started"? Even if you don't agree with them, you can't say that is a good justification.

[Zierro]

Racism is never a good justification. My point is that it's silly to attack this group when you have no problem whatsoever with the others.

[Brad25891]

The only policy i support of the BNP is:

 

 

 

Immigrants.

 

 

 

I don't know how people are gonna take this but this is my views. Every day there are people illegally being brought to england from various areas of the world, such as from poland, the middle east, etc. Whilst I don't have a problem with the people, I have a problem with their attitude. (For future referance, when i say "They" I mean the minority with the bad attitude) They come into our country and complain about English patriotism(Sp?) If you look at Americans, they have built their contry on patriotism. Heck, We can't even fly a st. georges cross out our window anymore.

 

Many of these illegal immigrants get access to all the hospitality they need, cars, houses, etc. And who's paying for it? UK Tax Payers. Whilst there are many single mothers, who have been forced out of their homes (I know, I have been there as a child) and the waiting list for a house is ridiculous. I lived in a hotel for 1.5 years.

 

Note - I am aware not all immigrants are like this. Fair play to the immigrants who actually pay for all their hospitality and work hard as citizens in England. As far as I'm concerned, immigration is fine. But we need to be more harsh with the illegal immigrants. And for the immigrants do come to england and complain about the way we run our country, considering they have probably come from a worse place, Why? Would you rather be back in your home country plagued by war or disease?

[1_man_army]

 

Many of these illegal immigrants get access to all the hospitality they need, cars, houses, etc. And who's paying for it? UK Tax Payers.

 

 

 

 

Illegal immigrants aren't afforded cars or council houses at all that is nonsense - if they applied for these things the authorities would be aware that they were here and deportation proceedings would begin. You're a good example of why I don't like the majority of people who complain about immigration because your opinions are not based on accurate information.

[Brad25891]

 

Many of these illegal immigrants get access to all the hospitality they need, cars, houses, etc. And who's paying for it? UK Tax Payers.

 

 

 

 

Illegal immigrants aren't afforded cars or council houses at all that is nonsense - if they applied for these things the authorities would be aware that they were here and deportation proceedings would begin. You're a good example of why I don't like the majority of people who complain about immigration because your opinions are not based on accurate information.

 

Kinda shot myself in the foor there right? K, I'll rephrase it.

 

 

 

The Negative minority of immigrants are about as much use as single chav mothers sponging off the council.

 

 

 

EDIT: Hmm, realisation has hit that I have shot myself in the foot again.

 

 

 

I'm just trying to say that I don't see why immigrants who dont work or contribute anything to the country, economy wise, should be able to live off the council when many of them are perfectly fit to work. Ok maybe extreme cirumstances can be taken into consideration, but I personally don't think that the immigrants who sponge off of the council year after year without any efforts to look for work should be spoon fed by the Tax payers.

[l0l0lpur34]

 

Many of these illegal immigrants get access to all the hospitality they need, cars, houses, etc. And who's paying for it? UK Tax Payers.

 

 

 

 

Illegal immigrants aren't afforded cars or council houses at all that is nonsense - if they applied for these things the authorities would be aware that they were here and deportation proceedings would begin. You're a good example of why I don't like the majority of people who complain about immigration because your opinions are not based on accurate information.

 

Kinda shot myself in the foor there right? K, I'll rephrase it.

 

 

 

The Negative minority of immigrants are about as much use as single chav mothers sponging off the council.

 

 

 

EDIT: Hmm, realisation has hit that I have shot myself in the foot again.

 

 

 

I'm just trying to say that I don't see why immigrants who dont work or contribute anything to the country, economy wise, should be able to live off the council when many of them are perfectly fit to work. Ok maybe extreme cirumstances can be taken into consideration, but I personally don't think that the immigrants who sponge off of the council year after year without any efforts to look for work should be spoon fed by the Tax payers.

 

Most of these "immigrants" you are talking about were born in Britain or are asylum seekers

[Brad25891]

 

Most of these "immigrants" you are talking about were born in Britain or are asylum seekers

 

Asylum seekers are fine with me as long as they are actually contributing as a citizen in England. I just don't think it's fair that people should sponging off of the government without any effort to look for work, that's all I'm trying to say. I completely agree with the BNP when they ask for deportation of the criminal or illegal immigrants. Our prisons are overcroweded enough as it is, without them being filled to the brim with immigrants who just come over and cause trouble.

 

 

 

Summery - If you are an immigrant/asylum seeker and coming to England looking for work and a better life, fair play. But if you come here looking to sponge off of the government without any contribution or to complain or become a criminal then just leave.

[l0l0lpur34]

 

Most of these "immigrants" you are talking about were born in Britain or are asylum seekers

 

Asylum seekers are fine with me as long as they are actually contributing as a citizen in England. I just don't think it's fair that people should sponging off of the government without any effort to look for work, that's all I'm trying to say. I completely agree with the BNP when they ask for deportation of the criminal or illegal immigrants. Our prisons are overcroweded enough as it is, without them being filled to the brim with immigrants who just come over and cause trouble.

 

 

 

Summery - If you are an immigrant/asylum seeker and coming to England looking for work and a better life, fair play. But if you come here looking to sponge off of the government without any contribution or to complain or become a criminal then just leave.

 

The BNP wants to halt all immigration, ban all asylum seekers and to generally isolate Britain from the rest of the world.

[Brad25891]

The BNP wants to halt all immigration, ban all asylum seekers and to generally isolate Britain from the rest of the world.

 

I understand but I didn't say I completely agreed with the BNP, I said I agreed with certain aspects.

 

For example, I'm completely against thier policy for re-criminalisation of homosexuality.

[Talset65]

 

The BNP wants to halt all immigration, ban all asylum seekers and to generally isolate Britain from the rest of the world.

 

 

 

No, they want to preserve British (or English, if you prefer) heritage. They are just a tad extreme in some cases. I sure as hell agree with not letting any more immigrants in the UK though. This country is already way too crowded - I guess like the entire World.

 

 

 

As for isolating Britain from the World? Not really. Britain is a key part of the European Union, which will be further expanded - if you believe the 'one world order' talk.

 

 

 

ALSO, I may ask you.. What is so bad about isolating Britain from the rest of the World? Why should we in our own Sovereign state abide by rules of somebody in another country?

 

 

 

inb4 trade.

[l0l0lpur34]

 

The BNP wants to halt all immigration, ban all asylum seekers and to generally isolate Britain from the rest of the world.

 

 

 

No, they want to preserve British (or English, if you prefer) heritage. They are just a tad extreme in some cases. I sure as hell agree with not letting any more immigrants in the UK though. This country is already way too crowded - I guess like the entire World.

 

 

 

As for isolating Britain from the World? Not really. Britain is a key part of the European Union, which will be further expanded - if you believe the 'one world order' talk.

 

 

 

ALSO, I may ask you.. What is so bad about isolating Britain from the rest of the World? Why should we in our own Sovereign state abide by rules of somebody in another country?

 

 

 

inb4 trade.

 

The BNP's website states that they want to remove Britain from the EU, ban all immigration, "seletively exclude" "foreign made goods" and "voluntarily resettle" all immigrants currently in Britain, I consider that to be isolating Britain from the rest of the world. Why is this bad? Britain simply can't exist as a self-sufficient state isolated from the rest of the world. (If you quote the times before international trade was as large as it is now - it still existed, and the population wasn't as large as it is now).

[Will H]

 

Most of these "immigrants" you are talking about were born in Britain or are asylum seekers

 

Asylum seekers are fine with me as long as they are actually contributing as a citizen in England. I just don't think it's fair that people should sponging off of the government without any effort to look for work, that's all I'm trying to say. I completely agree with the BNP when they ask for deportation of the criminal or illegal immigrants. Our prisons are overcroweded enough as it is, without them being filled to the brim with immigrants who just come over and cause trouble.

 

 

 

Summery - If you are an immigrant/asylum seeker and coming to England looking for work and a better life, fair play. But if you come here looking to sponge off of the government without any contribution or to complain or become a criminal then just leave.

 

I agree that deportation where possible and appropriate is the right course of action. But it's not only immigrants that leech off the government system anyway, there's plenty of British born-and-bred citizens who also live off benefits when they could perfectly well do a job, and that's the priority that needs fixing.

 

On another note, I reckon we should leave the EU, but it's not because we want to isolate ourselves. It's because we don't want to lose money with no equivalent return and we want to govern ourselves. That is a perfectly reasonable request for a country that is not unstable. It was a trade agreement, that that is all it should be.

 

Finally, British culture is worth preserving, but we should be tolerant of other cultures as long as they are faced with the same level of restriction as everyone else. For example, a Christian should be allowed to wear a crucifix at work if a different person is allowed to wear a turban at work in the same place. It should be about equality, everyone should treat everyone else how they want to be treated themselves.

 

Affirmative action should be equivalent to racism in law and should be dealt with accordingly. I could go on.

 

 

 

I reckon there is a way of being somewhat nationalist without collapsing into racism, it's just that the BNP goes over the top and does it the wrong way.

[1_man_army]

What is this British identity and culture that keeps getting mentioned? I don't think it exists. Geographically, I'm British but I don't feel any strong link with the other parts of Britain other than the fact that we share a language. I don't think there is a real semblance of British culture considering that much of our history is as separate nations with separate customs. It isn't that I dislike like England or Wales, I just don't feel the connection and I feel that many people in Britain may feel the same way.

 

 

 

British identity and British culture seem, to me, to be bywords for English identity and English culture and these seem to be things that England has had difficulty defining since WW2. If you go to Scotland, Wales or NI - they seem to have strong opinions about what their identity is and what their culture is (although in NI is split between republicans and loyalists they are still clear in their beliefs) - I don't think it is the same in England.

[Will H]

What is this British identity and culture that keeps getting mentioned? I don't think it exists. Geographically, I'm British but I don't feel any strong link with the other parts of Britain other than the fact that we share a language. I don't think there is a real semblance of British culture considering that much of our history is as separate nations with separate customs. It isn't that I dislike like England or Wales, I just don't feel the connection and I feel that many people in Britain may feel the same way.

 

 

 

British identity and British culture seem, to me, to be bywords for English identity and English culture and these seem to be things that England has had difficulty defining since WW2. If you go to Scotland, Wales or NI - they seem to have strong opinions about what their identity is and what their culture is (although in NI is split between republicans and loyalists they are still clear in their beliefs) - I don't think it is the same in England.

 

If you go to somewhere like America or Canada for at least a week, you'll realise how British culture has shaped you; and it's not just the language. Generally you don't notice it in your home country.

[1_man_army]

How do you separate what is British culture from what is, in my case, Scottish culture though? I notice and can appreciate what being Scottish is about, how our culture is unique. I can even appreciate and understand the cultural curiosities of being Welsh or from Northern Ireland but I don't see what being British is. There seems to be no strong cultural link between the between the nations that make up Britain.

[Will H]

How do you separate what is British culture from what is, in my case, Scottish culture though? I notice and can appreciate what being Scottish is about, how our culture is unique. I can even appreciate and understand the cultural curiosities of being Welsh or from Northern Ireland but I don't see what being British is. There seems to be no strong cultural link between the between the nations that make up Britain.

 

Ah right, I get your point. We're not a single culture, I agree. We just have a 'family resemblance' (cookie if you know the quote), but there's no single thing common with all of us that's exclusive to Britain. Still, the Welsh, Scottish, Irish and English cultures are worth preserving, even if the term 'British culture' is a bit misleading. Even separate counties have their own mini-cultures that are worth preserving, what's normal for Norfolk is sometimes far from normal anywhere else.

[Jernlov]

Misunderstood.

 

 

 

I myself am often misunderstood as a nationalist; although, all I want is for socialism to cease to exist in the United Kingdom.

[OldJoe]

On the question about immigration: Sweden

 

Why doesn't the government acknowledge the fact that our finacial minister has predicted that 12% (550k) in 2011 will be unemployed, yet, they don't have a problem with bringing in over 100k (2008) a year. It seems like it's a holy-shrine you can't touch. I'm getting god damn fed up with it.

 

Every day they talk about unemployment, higher crime rates, too few apartments/houses for people to live in... Yet no one every says a single word about immigration.

 

 

 

I have a quite long email that i wrote a couple of weeks ago, i can post it here if someone would want to read it.

[RichieMcD]

There's quite a difference though, BNP isn't a "community" group getting together to socialize. They're a political party with pretty outrageous views on immigrants and immigration in general. The difference being, many of the groups mentioned are get together groups or sites for minorities so they can discuss things relating to their general likes, culture, happenings etc.

 

 

 

The other sites are about as racist as me moving to say, Boston and forming an Irish community group where we can get together discuss the Irish sports, have a bit of fun, discuss what's going on at home and other Irish related things in general. The BNP, they get together to discuss how to throw every person who isn't British into the back of a lorry and onto a boat.

 

 

 

Yes, there is a big difference. BNP is a lot more hateful and intolerant than those groups but they are still exercising racism. What can black cops discuss that has no relevance to a white cop? And also, I am 99.99% sure that if a white cop committee was organized it would be labeled racist and be prohibited. Society is somehow fine with the idea of an all black organization though and this is hypocrisy.

 

 

 

The problem isn't like-minded people joining together to discuss their general likes - the problem is refusing to accept someone because of their race.

 

 

 

Yes, technically it is racism, but be realistic here, what's the point of me joining an African interests group? What's the point of a Chinese person joining an Irish interests group? It's rather stupid.

[Zierro]

Yes, technically it is racism, but be realistic here, what's the point of me joining an African interests group? What's the point of a Chinese person joining an Irish interests group? It's rather stupid.

 

 

 

What's the point of having an African interest group? I can understand a bunch of blacks getting together to establish a group that is modified and fixated towards black interests but when they make an official rule where only blacks are allowed then it is racist.

[gongusan]

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