Strip Searching A Thirteen Year Old

[Racheya]

A search of a bag, sure... pat me down if you need to, even... but do you guys think that people don't deserve some decency? Would you willingly go naked in front of some people you don't know? You can say that it's for the greater good, so to speak, but isn't it cruel to the people that it happens to? If I'd been force to strip, even in private, at an airport... trust me I wouldn't be going back to an airport in a hurry.

[Riku3220]

A search of a bag, sure... pat me down if you need to, even... but do you guys think that people don't deserve some decency? Would you willingly go naked in front of some people you don't know? You can say that it's for the greater good, so to speak, but isn't it cruel to the people that it happens to? If I'd been force to strip, even in private, at an airport... trust me I wouldn't be going back to an airport in a hurry.

 

Seriously, how much different would it be from going to your gynecologist?

[Racheya]

A search of a bag, sure... pat me down if you need to, even... but do you guys think that people don't deserve some decency? Would you willingly go naked in front of some people you don't know? You can say that it's for the greater good, so to speak, but isn't it cruel to the people that it happens to? If I'd been force to strip, even in private, at an airport... trust me I wouldn't be going back to an airport in a hurry.

 

Seriously, how much different would it be from going to your gynecologist?

 

One's a doctor who you would generally put some sort of trust in to and you'd generally be alone. A security guard or police man/woman would be a bit different. I do get what you mean and it isn't like they're parading you around naked, but it's still an invasion of your privacy and would probably be upsetting.

[EdgedThesis]

Sigh.

 

 

 

This is why all airports should just employ the cloth-deep x-rays...

 

 

 

Though I guess people would still be upset that someone somewhere saw them naked. -.-

[Kiriyama]

People like you make me sick.

 

 

 

They were doing their [bleep] job, they had a reason to suspect you were attempting to smuggle drugs.

 

 

 

dude they didn't even pat me down, which is mandatory before strip search.

 

so your in your little strip search world and im just telling my stroy, i dont need you flaming me over something

 

im still quite upset about. this only happend 4months ago btw

 

You got embarassed so you sued. It's not like they tackled you to the ground and broke something, you were just embarassed, and to some people getting embarassed doesn't mean you should be getting large amounts of money.

 

 

 

Yeah, but hey! We can make money sueing anything today!

 

 

 

Its such a great way, why not sue over the littlest thing?

 

 

 

I mean, lets say you take a bus, on that bus you have say... coffee. The bus has to stop suddenly, and you spill your coffee on yourself. SUE! Even though it was clearly your fault, you can still sue.

 

So if someone forced you to strip in front of a public crowd because there was a buldge in your pants, you wouldn't mind? After undressing completely, stark naked in front of all the people, you would just tell the officer "hey no problem man, you're just doing your job. I'll even come back tomorrow and strip down naked for you because I enjoyed it so much".

 

 

 

[wagon] like the ones that made Milk strip naked in an airport deserve to be sued. Also, if you take a cup of hot coffee on the bus, it's your own fault if you don't cover it with a lid.

 

What are you talking about? They don't strip search people in the middle of the airport! They take them to a room somewhere.

 

That may be true, but I can hardly see the difference of emotional abuse in either case. People still have feelings behind closed doors :?

 

 

 

What the [bleep]? No difference in emotional abuse?

 

 

 

You don't have the all the people walking past looking for [bleep]'s sake! It'd be alot more emotionally traumatic if it was out in the open and not in a room where your average person can't see.

[Zierro]

What the [bleep]? No difference in emotional abuse?

 

 

 

You don't have the all the people walking past looking for [bleep]'s sake! It'd be alot more emotionally traumatic if it was out in the open and not in a room where your average person can't see.

 

 

 

It's psychological so it's different for everybody. The idea of the public not being able to see you might make you feel a little better, but then again the idea of stripping down in a secluded area in the presence of only one human being with no witnesses can cancel that out.

 

 

 

It should also be taken into account that not everybody is comfortable with their body. I am cause I'm sexy, but like I said these psychological factors are different for everyone. You might consider the fear of having others see you in your underwear as completely irrational, but the same could be said about fear of needles.

[Riku3220]

What the [bleep]? No difference in emotional abuse?

 

 

 

You don't have the all the people walking past looking for [bleep]'s sake! It'd be alot more emotionally traumatic if it was out in the open and not in a room where your average person can't see.

 

 

 

It's psychological so it's different for everybody. The idea of the public not being able to see you might make you feel a little better, but then again the idea of stripping down in a secluded area in the presence of only one human being with no witnesses can cancel that out.

 

 

 

It should also be taken into account that not everybody is comfortable with their body. I am cause I'm sexy, but like I said these psychological factors are different for everyone. You might consider the fear of having others see you in your underwear as completely irrational, but the same could be said about fear of needles.

 

But it's never just one person. There's always more than one person in the room to make sure that the person doing the search isn't aiding the suspect or assulting him/her.

[venomai]

It's pathetic to see a society so fixated on attacking recreational drug users that they are willing to humiliate a little girl just to ensure that she is not "getting high." Depending on the individual, the lasting psychological effects of being unjustly strip searched (and the incident being widely publicized) may be much more significant than those attributed to drug abuse.

[Riku3220]

It's pathetic to see a society so fixated on attacking recreational drug users that they are willing to humiliate a little girl just to ensure that she is not "getting high." Depending on the individual, the lasting psychological effects of being unjustly strip searched (and the incident being widely publicized) may be much more significant than those attributed to drug abuse.

 

If she was emotionally scarred from this then she probably would've committed suicide after her first trip to the gynecologist. Also it wasn't publicised by the school it was publicised by her parents being outraged.

[Zierro]

But it's never just one person. There's always more than one person in the room to make sure that the person doing the search isn't aiding the suspect or assulting him/her.

 

 

 

I realize I probably shouldn't have specified the number of people, but the fact that it is enclosed does not automatically make it less a psychologically traumatic experience. My point wasn't really about the chance of them raping or assaulting them, but more of the nervousness they will still be experiencing. Some people are already uneasy when they're in a room alone with a handful of strangers and add partial nudity into the equation and you get a mess.

 

 

 

If she was emotionally scarred from this then she probably would've committed suicide after her first trip to the gynecologist.

 

 

 

They are two different things. You go into the gynecologist fully knowing the purpose of it and what is going to happen. When she went to school that day, she had absolutely no idea what she was going to have to go through. It was unexpected and not even for a good reason at that, unlike gynecologists. It was also against her rights. I'm not sure about this or not, but are women ever forced to go to one?

[Laura]

It's pathetic to see a society so fixated on attacking recreational drug users that they are willing to humiliate a little girl just to ensure that she is not "getting high." Depending on the individual, the lasting psychological effects of being unjustly strip searched (and the incident being widely publicized) may be much more significant than those attributed to drug abuse.

She was supposedly handing them out.

 

It was also against her rights. I'm not sure about this or not, but are women ever forced to go to one?

The article never stated that she was forced to strip.

[Furah]

It's pathetic to see a society so fixated on attacking recreational drug users that they are willing to humiliate a little girl just to ensure that she is not "getting high." Depending on the individual, the lasting psychological effects of being unjustly strip searched (and the incident being widely publicized) may be much more significant than those attributed to drug abuse.

She was supposedly handing them out.

 

It was also against her rights. I'm not sure about this or not, but are women ever forced to go to one?

The article never stated that she was forced to strip.

 

I believe he is referring to going to a gynaecologist.

[mmmcannibalism]

It's pathetic to see a society so fixated on attacking recreational drug users that they are willing to humiliate a little girl just to ensure that she is not "getting high." Depending on the individual, the lasting psychological effects of being unjustly strip searched (and the incident being widely publicized) may be much more significant than those attributed to drug abuse.

She was supposedly handing them out. this isnt a police state, I demand something better then hearsay to violate someones right to privacy

It was also against her rights. I'm not sure about this or not, but are women ever forced to go to one?

The article never stated that she was forced to strip. Only partially relevant, its been held up that minors have to be protected, they never got her a lawyer/child rep and did not call her parents.

[Riku3220]

It's pathetic to see a society so fixated on attacking recreational drug users that they are willing to humiliate a little girl just to ensure that she is not "getting high." Depending on the individual, the lasting psychological effects of being unjustly strip searched (and the incident being widely publicized) may be much more significant than those attributed to drug abuse.

She was supposedly handing them out. this isnt a police state, I demand something better then hearsay to violate someones right to privacy

 

If a bank robber reveals the name of an accomplice are we not going to search his house based on his accusation?

 

It was also against her rights. I'm not sure about this or not, but are women ever forced to go to one?

The article never stated that she was forced to strip. Only partially relevant, its been held up that minors have to be protected, they never got her a lawyer/child rep and did not call her parents.

 

She wasn't even touched. I don't understand why minors have to be protected from something that didn't hurt them. The only thing the school should've done is call the parents and the parents could've decided if they wanted their lawyer or not.

[Racheya]

 

If she was emotionally scarred from this then she probably would've committed suicide after her first trip to the gynecologist.

 

 

 

They are two different things. You go into the gynecologist fully knowing the purpose of it and what is going to happen. When she went to school that day, she had absolutely no idea what she was going to have to go through. It was unexpected and not even for a good reason at that, unlike gynecologists. It was also against her rights. I'm not sure about this or not, but are women ever forced to go to one?

 

Nope, not as far as I know. I've never been/plan to go to one. It's just like any medical treatment I guess where you can't physically be forced into it really.

[Robert_de_Sable]

this isnt a police state, I demand something better then hearsay to violate someones right to privacy

 

So if the police get an anonymous tip that there's a man with C4 in his vest somewhere in the New York subway system, they shouldn't be able to close it down and search the people inside?

[venomai]

She was supposedly handing them out.

 

Exactly... The mere accusation warrants a strip search inside of school (and of all drugs, ibuprofen).

 

 

 

The article never stated that she was forced to strip.

 

There is little difference between not being able to refuse and not knowing you can refuse.

 

 

 

Imagine if the participants in Milgram's experiments were aware that they could stop the experiment immediately by saying "no" four times. Many of the participants continued because they felt they had no other choice. They were forced, or compelled, albeit not physically.

 

 

 

If she was emotionally scarred from this then she probably would've committed suicide after her first trip to the gynecologist.

 

Being forced to strip down in front of a strange authority figure is not the same as having a professional doctor check your genitals in a visit to the gynacologist. :idea:

 

 

 

So if the police get an anonymous tip that there's a man with ibuprofen in his vest somewhere in the New York subway system, they shouldn't be able to close it down and search the people inside?

 

Fixed.

[Zierro]

So if the police get an anonymous tip that there's a man with C4 in his vest somewhere in the New York subway system, they shouldn't be able to close it down and search the people inside?

 

 

 

Does the average person own C4 in their bathroom cabinet? -.-

[mmmcannibalism]

this isnt a police state, I demand something better then hearsay to violate someones right to privacy

 

So if the police get an anonymous tip that there's a man with C4 in his vest somewhere in the New York subway system, they shouldn't be able to close it down and search the people inside?

 

 

 

a. the police usually have supporting evidence on all tips they take seriously, this was taken solely on hearsay with no corroborating evidence

 

 

 

b. the situations are extremely different. With someone handing out medication the only people harmed are people who took drugs from a non authorized person(doesnt justify bad pills but puts some blame on the recieving party), in the case of c4 there is a serious risk of death to many persons. Secondly, the school didnt have a student ill from medication reporting it just a student so they had no reason to believe the pills were a severe threat.