John Halo Chief Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Wow. Your mad about this? I suppose I would be too if i was the girl, but I would get over it because I know It's for the good of the country and it made sense. If they suspected her and had good reason too, go ahead, search. I would probably want to go into a restroom with a female officer, but nevertheless. You think they're reacting too strongly about ibuprofen? well, guess what? they would have to take it too a lab and test it (probably) to make sure it was ibuprofen. if it wasn't, and there was more in her underwear, then she would probably end up going into the restroom to smoke some meth on the airplane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrow Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 what dose of ibuprofen was it? was it normal ibuprofen, or prescription hardcore painkiller level ibuprofen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmcannibalism Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 wow I agree with mage :shock: This whole situation was rather ridiculous a. 4th amendent while limited in schools should still have some limitations; feel free to search my locker any time you want but your not searching me without a good reason b. her parents were never called; remember they said she might have had ibuprofen, there was no imminent threat that couldnt have been handled by keeping her in the school office for half an hour to allow her parents to come to the school. c. the search was conducted on purely hearsay, while it would have been acceptable for them to look through her purse and such, the statement "she gave me the drugs" from a student is hardly justification for a search of this nature. d. the school's justification for needing to search is innacurate; a girl having potentially unsafe ibuprofen is not exactly a ticking time bomb, take the girl to the office if you want and call her parents if you want to continue e. If we arent going to bar school officials from strip searching without cause, why dont we just give them the authority to do anything as long as they can say it was a threat? Seriously, if the 4th amendment doesnt protect against this we might as well throw it out of the constitution; the fact the court appears its going to rule the school was justified is fairly sickening. While the school would have been fully justified with searching her purse locker etc. if they thought she had something potentially dangerous; this hardly rises to the level of violating fundamental rights without self restraint. Orthodoxy is unconciousnessthe only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_de_Sable Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 If it were a stronger drug I wouldn't have a problem with this. But Ibuprofen? Come on... [English translation needed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrow Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 If it were a stronger drug I wouldn't have a problem with this. But Ibuprofen? Come on... Ibuprofen is a commonly abused drug. And it comes in up to 1000mg doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 School teachers and officials are so sad. They think they have such authority ... Stuff like this keeps me on my toes. I mean, seriously. Ibuprofen is for headaches anyways, and I'm pretty sure it's relatively safe. And they should at least have looked more into the subject than, on one student's word, blame the girl who apparently has never had a discipline problem. If I'm taking my underwear off for a teacher, it better be a story I'll tell to my friends and get a high-five for. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryjoe Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 good plan that, will have to remember it if i ever work in a school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinoking Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Shouldn't they have call the parent for her mother to do this? I am Teh_King[My dA][My Last.FM][My Twitter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Just wow. All this [cabbage] over ibuprofen? Come on. Stupid conservative courts ruling in favor of the accusers. I'm disgusted at this, they should've had a police officer search her, as opposed to school officials. I don't know, but there might be a law that requires officers, not school officials, to conduct a search. I was going to eat hot dogs for dinner tonight. I think I will settle for cereal. OPEN WIDE HERE COMES THE HELICOPTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furah Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I cannot believe they did such a thing, the VP doesn't deserve to be a VP if he is told by a girl that she got ibuprofen from her friend, and then has the girl strip searched. Not only was it acting on unreliable evidence, but that girl must have felt so violated and powerless which will scar her for life. :cry: Steam | PM me for BBM PIN Nine naked men is a technological achievement. Quote of 2013. PCGamingWiki - Let's fix PC gaming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavi Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Wow. Your mad about this? I suppose I would be too if i was the girl, but I would get over it because I know It's for the good of the country and it made sense. If they suspected her and had good reason too, go ahead, search. I would probably want to go into a restroom with a female officer, but nevertheless. You think they're reacting too strongly about ibuprofen? well, guess what? they would have to take it too a lab and test it (probably) to make sure it was ibuprofen. if it wasn't, and there was more in her underwear, then she would probably end up going into the restroom to smoke some meth on the airplane. Yes. It is for the good of the country. So is the Iraq war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I cannot believe they did such a thing, the VP doesn't deserve to be a VP if he is told by a girl that she got ibuprofen from her friend, and then has the girl strip searched. Not only was it acting on unreliable evidence, but that girl must have felt so violated and powerless which will scar her for life. :cry: I'm not sure it would scar her for life, but it would probably have quite an effect on her school life. It's so unprofessional... teachers are supposed to teach and support, not perform strip searches. Isn't that the police's job? And for such a trivial thing too? That's absurd. and they didn't even call her parents first? :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housepig Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I do think the school were a bit over-zealous considering the circumstances, but I don't see why teachers shouldn't be able to do this kind of thing with good reason. The problem with education is lack of discipline; we should be empowering school authortities, not backing of from doing things like this because of worries about the student's rights. If absolute power corrupts absolutely, where does that leave God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housepig Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Sorry--double post. If absolute power corrupts absolutely, where does that leave God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriyama Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I do think the school were a bit over-zealous considering the circumstances, but I don't see why teachers shouldn't be able to do this kind of thing with good reason. The problem with education is lack of discipline; we should be empowering school authortities, not backing of from doing things like this because of worries about the student's rights. It was something used for [bleep]ing headaches for [bleep]'s sake. And she was only [bleep]ing 13. School is a place where you are supposed to feel safe, it must have been [bleep]ing embarrassing for her to have to do that infront of adults. Adults who shouldn't and don't have that kind of power. Why do you think they keep child abusers out? Even if its for child porn, they are not allowed in because it puts the children at risk. People can get in trouble for taking pictures of school children, without the parental permission of course. So why the [bleep] should these [wagon] get aways with something this bad? Denizen of Darkness| PSN= sworddude198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastortoise Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Errr, why don't people stand up for their rights? I know she's thirteen, but by then I remember being able to stand up for myself. In fact, I remember refusing to let the principal search my school bag when he thought I had drugs in them. School authority has no business doing any sort of searches, students are responsible for letting them know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housepig Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I do think the school were a bit over-zealous considering the circumstances, but I don't see why teachers shouldn't be able to do this kind of thing with good reason. The problem with education is lack of discipline; we should be empowering school authortities, not backing of from doing things like this because of worries about the student's rights. It was something used for [bleep] headaches for [bleep]'s sake. And she was only [bleep] 13. School is a place where you are supposed to feel safe, it must have been [bleep] embarrassing for her to have to do that infront of adults. Adults who shouldn't and don't have that kind of power. Why do you think they keep child abusers out? Even if its for child porn, they are not allowed in because it puts the children at risk. People can get in trouble for taking pictures of school children, without the parental permission of course. So why the [bleep] should these [wagon] get aways with something this bad? What if she had had the drug and he'd backed out of searching her for fear of being sued? She'd get away with breaking the rules and the school's discipline would have been undermined. If absolute power corrupts absolutely, where does that leave God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriyama Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Oh yeah, she supposedly had a drug that is prescribed for medical purposes. Its teh end of teh [bleep]ing world! Any sick [bleep] like that who DOES NOT have the power to do that deserves to be classed alongside those who are found with child porn. Denizen of Darkness| PSN= sworddude198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma2035 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Oh yeah, she supposedly had a drug that is prescribed for medical purposes. Its teh end of teh [bleep] world! Any sick [bleep] like that who DOES NOT have the power to do that deserves to be classed alongside those who are found with child porn. Schools have strict rules. If it's a prescribed drug, you are required to notify the school before bringing it onto campus. Heck, even some over the counter drugs need to be announced. I take allergy pills, and the school security guard told me that I needed to notify the nurse I was bringing them onto campus (we got along fairly well so he didn't really get too upset over it). I think the real problem here is that they conducted the search based on what was said by another 13 year old. That part is pretty ridiculous, that's hardly good evidence at all. Or did the school honestly think 13 year olds would never lie? Oh wait, that can't be right, since they didn't believe her when she said she didn't have them... Anyhow, I agree with Riku. It seems to be blown waaaaaay out of proportion... Want to learn to Nex? The Nex Hunters are recruiting! Click for more information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriyama Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Oh yeah, she supposedly had a drug that is prescribed for medical purposes. Its teh end of teh [bleep] world! Any sick [bleep] like that who DOES NOT have the power to do that deserves to be classed alongside those who are found with child porn. Schools have strict rules. If it's a prescribed drug, you are required to notify the school before bringing it onto campus. Heck, even some over the counter drugs need to be announced. I take allergy pills, and the school security guard told me that I needed to notify the nurse I was bringing them onto campus (we got along fairly well so he didn't really get too upset over it). I think the real problem here is that they conducted the search based on what was said by another 13 year old. That part is pretty ridiculous, that's hardly good evidence at all. Or did the school honestly think 13 year olds would never lie? Oh wait, that can't be right, since they didn't believe her when she said she didn't have them... Anyhow, I agree with Riku. It seems to be blown waaaaaay out of proportion... I'll admit, since it hadn't been declared if she had had it on her, I would have agreed to the search as far as her locker/bag/pockets/lining of some clothing. But its the fact they took it as far as a strip search that has me outraged. 1) Because they don't have that sort of power, and 2) She's a [bleep]ing minor. Denizen of Darkness| PSN= sworddude198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma2035 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Oh yeah, she supposedly had a drug that is prescribed for medical purposes. Its teh end of teh [bleep] world! Any sick [bleep] like that who DOES NOT have the power to do that deserves to be classed alongside those who are found with child porn. Schools have strict rules. If it's a prescribed drug, you are required to notify the school before bringing it onto campus. Heck, even some over the counter drugs need to be announced. I take allergy pills, and the school security guard told me that I needed to notify the nurse I was bringing them onto campus (we got along fairly well so he didn't really get too upset over it). I think the real problem here is that they conducted the search based on what was said by another 13 year old. That part is pretty ridiculous, that's hardly good evidence at all. Or did the school honestly think 13 year olds would never lie? Oh wait, that can't be right, since they didn't believe her when she said she didn't have them... Anyhow, I agree with Riku. It seems to be blown waaaaaay out of proportion... I'll admit, since it hadn't been declared if she had had it on her, I would have agreed to the search as far as her locker/bag/pockets/lining of some clothing. But its the fact they took it as far as a strip search that has me outraged. 1) Because they don't have that sort of power, and 2) She's a [bleep] minor. 1) It wasn't a strip search... they did take it a bit far, but really not past the line where it needs to be made a big deal of. If they had any better evidence, like having found evidence of drug distribution or such, then I feel it would've been fully justified. Albeit, it would've been better to find a police officer to perform the search... 2) So what...? Every student on a middle school campus should be a minor. Does that mean the rules should not be enforced? There are rules against drug possession and use for very good reasons, and strict limitations on how drugs should be used. These are all meaningless if you can't enforce them on the grounds that "the students are minors." As someone already said, hiding the drugs in more intimate locations is fairly common, hence, why strip searches exist... Also, we are talking about a middle school right? Like, they have a gym and all, where they have a female coach who walks by every day with 12-13 year old girls changing, probably seeing them in their underwear at one time or another? Like someone else already stated, this was the nurse and another female staff member... Want to learn to Nex? The Nex Hunters are recruiting! Click for more information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Wow. Your mad about this? I suppose I would be too if i was the girl, but I would get over it because I know It's for the good of the country and it made sense. If they suspected her and had good reason too, go ahead, search. I would probably want to go into a restroom with a female officer, but nevertheless. You think they're reacting too strongly about ibuprofen? well, guess what? they would have to take it too a lab and test it (probably) to make sure it was ibuprofen. if it wasn't, and there was more in her underwear, then she would probably end up going into the restroom to smoke some meth on the airplane. For the good of our country?! The authority are only human like the normal citizens - they're not some kind of omniscient gods that can do whatever they please, yet for some reason they have the right to tell us to strip in order to find something which they probably all have in their cabinets at home anyways... and in school where it's mandatory (not a privilege) to be there. When we're dealing with absolute corruption, it is not for the good of our country. The purpose of government is to ensure justice and make our lives easier - not to ensure injustice and make our lives more hectic which seems to be the most prevalent path amongst the authority figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I would be completely distressed if that had happened to me... It's just disgusting. :( I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel555555 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 i make a post in the 4th amendment thread about this and all i get is one reply but now that its a new thread people complain that its a violation of their rights? :? i especially love how the princaple told the press that since they found nothing the girl should have nothing to complain about. [spoiler=click you know you wanna]Me behave? Seriously? As a child I saw Tarzan almost naked, Cinderella arrived home from a party after midnight, Pinocchio told lies, Aladin was a thief, Batman drove over 200 miles an hour, Snow White lived in a house with seven men, Popeye smoked a pipe and had tattoos, Pac man ran around to digital music while eating pills that enhanced his performance, and Shaggy and Scooby were mystery solving hippies who always had the munchies. The fault is not mine! if you had this childhood and loved it put this in your signature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Halo Chief Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Wow. Your mad about this? I suppose I would be too if i was the girl, but I would get over it because I know It's for the good of the country and it made sense. If they suspected her and had good reason too, go ahead, search. I would probably want to go into a restroom with a female officer, but nevertheless. You think they're reacting too strongly about ibuprofen? well, guess what? they would have to take it too a lab and test it (probably) to make sure it was ibuprofen. if it wasn't, and there was more in her underwear, then she would probably end up going into the restroom to smoke some meth on the airplane. Yes. It is for the good of the country. So is the Iraq war. u bet. keep those people blowing themselves up AWAY FROM US! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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