Strip Searching A Thirteen Year Old

[EXToL]

Wow. Your mad about this? I suppose I would be too if i was the girl, but I would get over it because I know It's for the good of the country and it made sense. If they suspected her and had good reason too, go ahead, search. I would probably want to go into a restroom with a female officer, but nevertheless. You think they're reacting too strongly about ibuprofen? well, guess what? they would have to take it too a lab and test it (probably) to make sure it was ibuprofen. if it wasn't, and there was more in her underwear, then she would probably end up going into the restroom to smoke some meth on the airplane.

 

"For the good of the state" is not a good enough reason.

 

 

 

"Here, let me stick my hand in your pants for the good of the country...."

 

 

 

You're an idiot.

 

 

 

On the topic, that was extremely stupid to do. That was a major abuse of power. If I were the girl, though, I would've stood up for myself and refuse to let them do that.(Since I would've known I was innocent) But that's just me.

[Mr_Adam]

Well, it's good and bad (probably not the best adjectives though);

 

http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/search/3 ... 80303.html (source).

 

 

 

OK:

 

`The school holds a ZERO-TOLERANCE no drugs program, and the girl had been there for 3 years I assume.

 

`Why did girl A have the drugs alone but no container? Advil would make sense, but not perscription strength drugs. More detail would be nice, but that's the vibe I got.

 

`Apparently that school has the right to do that in their code of conduct, even though it had been highly advised not to do from others.

 

`The search was conducted by a school nurse (presumably female), and was 1 on 1.

 

`The girl was willing, to prove herself innocent, but it was "the most humiliating experience I've ever had."

 

 

 

NOT OK:

 

`Those friggin' moralists (to an extant).

 

`Parents were NOT notified prior.

 

`No detective work was done prior.

 

`Apparently the girl had a good record.

 

 

 

 

 

Also not that the girl did not take her underwear OFF. She took her bra off (which is fine, I say (not in a perverted way (in this case (I'm 14)))), but was only exposed to pull her undies out, like in the weight loss commercials.

 

 

 

Still, the school overreacted, and they should have called the parents. But everyone else is overreacting too.

[IGoddessI]

There were much more efficient ways to handle the situation, keeping the young girls dignity and privacy in tact. That's the problem. This girl could feel humiliated and violated and may never be able to look at the people involved again. At least if it were handled at the station by a female officer, it wouldn't feel as awkward. She may have been okay with the procedure but I doubt it considering it made paper headlines. Now she probably feels even more humiliated. If I were her, I would have left the school and begged the media to leave it alone so I could try to put the humiliation behind me and move on.

[mlskid]

Okay, let me just say anyone who's calling the VP a pervert over the strip search is wrong. The search was done by the nurse and the secretary and she didn't even take her underwear off.

 

 

 

"This strip search involved Savana taking all her clothes off besides her underwear, then pulling her bra out and to the side, while shaking her breasts back and forth. After that jiggling produced nothing, Savana was instructed to pull her underwear out at the crotch and shake it."

 

Now what exactly is wrong here?

 

 

 

Well oddly enough this subject came up in my social studies class the other day (we are just going over the protest days 60s and 70s where hippies were opposing government) and this subject was supplemented as a view point. Our teacher used it as an expanation of Liberal vs. conservative view point.

 

 

 

Btw, as we talked about this I thought to myself, this is all just pathetic. A single student who got caught with the drugs, CLAIMS that she got it from another female student. Now, where is the supporting evidence OTHER THAN HER WORD? That is what tweaks me off... I just don't get why you'd believe a kid who just got caught with it what they said they got it from another student... with no evidence other than what the girl who got in trouble said. However if there were sufficient evidence that the girl had been given the drugs by another student, they both should be in the same amount of trouble. They went against school policy and should recieve punishment. However the school also should have weighed the fact that doing a strip search on a thirteen year old student might be a little bit over the top for some medicine that most people can get their hands on anyway. Also if that does weigh out to be about even to you, think. Please for once, does it really make sense to do a strip search if you couldn't find it in her locker, backpack, or anywhere else? I don't think that since she is a clean slate girl that she would be stupid enough to carry around the drugs WITH HER... So why would you search HER? why not ask her where she got them from, and if she says she never saw them, let her go back to class... it's why she is here in the first place. :wall:

[IGoddessI]

They'd probably obtain accurate information by asking anyway. Conservatism on basic human rights makes me shudder. The psychology as you've probably learned in your social class behind thinking critically rather than emotionally in cases such as this has proven to be much more positive.

[My_Eggs]

If it were a stronger drug I wouldn't have a problem with this. But Ibuprofen? Come on...

 

Ibuprofen is a commonly abused drug. And it comes in up to 1000mg doses.

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, you can't get high off of ibuprofen. Ibuprofen is pretty much acetaminophen, which is what they put in actual opiate pain killers like hydrocodone to stop it from being abused. Trust me, people aren't going around popping a bunch of ibuprofen and feeling good off of it. If they do pop a bunch, they're just gonna feel like [cabbage] cause it'll cause liver damage and eventually death. I know what I'm talkin about here, I've had my fair share of experience with opiates. ;)

[mlskid]

They'd probably obtain accurate information by asking anyway. Conservatism on basic human rights makes me shudder.

 

 

 

By asking who? It's quite possible that only the girl who got in trouble, her friends were the only people to see the drugs, OR only the two girls. In either case it is very easy for someone to lie their way through it and it be plausible. I'm only saying this is wrong that they actually went that far just because somebody, or a couple somebodies said that it happened.... If there were video proof/an adult eye witness then I can see MAYBE the reason for them going all out in a body search...maybe. #-o

 

 

 

And indeed, the only real reason for the ibuprofen actually being banned and confiscated is that it's a drug in the sense of the word.... and not really that harmful unless your are incredibly stupid and young....(we already have one requirement fulfilled...)

[warren211]

First of all, it doesn't matter if it was "just ibuprofren". It's a drug, and believe it or not there are school rules that exist that prevent any drug use at school, even medicinal and less harmful drugs without doctor permission.

 

 

 

But as for the strip searching, there should be more restrictions on that. In my district they require that when security at my high school strip searches a person, it must be done in a private area with no bystanders (office or bathroom usually), and the principle, head of security, and student's parents are all present during the search to assure that no misconduct was being performed. School executives are not trained in strip searching and I don't think they have any right to do so regardless of the situation. And there was barely any evidence to support the strip search. The only thing that was pointing to her was another student ratting on her. Did the school officials involved even THINK for once second that maybe the student who blamed Savana just did it to pass the blame to someone else? There was NO reason for a strip search here.

[Rebdragon]

I've heard about this before. You know why I've heard about this before? BECAUSE IT HAPPENED SIX YEARS AGO. Talk about old news.

 

 

 

Also, stop with the stupid youthful idealism, all y'all. In response to such chatter about the morality of the search, may I quote a Professor Arum: Do we really want to encourage cases where students and parents are seeking monetary damages against educators in such school-specific matters where reasonable people can disagree about what is appropriate under the circumstances? You can't just go around making ambiguous cases like this. Reality requires rules within a court of law, and when you let ambiguity seap in to the system the court ends up getting bogged down even more than usual, and the usual is bad enough as it is. Realistically speaking, no, she should not receive monetary damages or anything of the sort. In a perfect world, maybe she should, but this isn't a perfect world, so stop acting like it is one.

 

 

 

Yes, this was extremely unjust and unreasonable. Thanks for circle-jerking about your great unaninimous morality. Now, if such a story is going to be necromanced, it can be only for one reason: to discuss the decision of the Supreme Court. So why is no one doing that?

 

 

 

This is why I hate shock news. Even if magekiller had the right intention (which I'd find plausible), everyone's just too busy talking about how awful it is to actually get to anything important.

[IGoddessI]

I'd argue that respect to any individuals privacy is an important matter. Strip searches in my opinion should be done by police not nurses, teachers, principals or other staff members where the student attends. Keep the law simple: "police only" and there won't be a need for ridiculous monetary cases. If there are susceptible drugs involved then it shouldn't be handled by the school to begin with. Their job is to run the school, not to act like a police officer. Hand the kid over to the cops to be investigated and dealt with appropriately in compliance to the law. It pisses me off when I hear that principals and teachers etc want to try and control children and take matters in to their own hands. Reminds me of a Dr Phil show I watched about teachers wanting guns in classrooms :wall: If Australia ever becomes like this, I want outsy.

[magekillr]

I've heard about this before. You know why I've heard about this before? BECAUSE IT HAPPENED SIX YEARS AGO. Talk about old news.

 

 

 

Right, but it continued to be appealed. As I said, what drove me nuts was Scalia's reasoning...I mean, I don't know how much more twisted an answer anyone could give :?

 

 

 

I'm not sure what you meant by youthful idealism, but this shouldn't have happened. It's almost as bad as that women who was forcibly stripped searched by those male police officers not long ago.

 

 

 

What should have happened six years ago after this happened is what would have happened in any other normal industrialized nation: fire the officials involved, and force them to apologize (although I don't think something quite this ridiculous and appalling would have happened in those countries in the first place). I don't think any law suit is in order, at least one about money; America is far too sue-happy as it is.

 

 

 

I didn't really post this for shock purposes...I posted it mainly because it finally has reached the Supreme Court, and I'd like for them to rule in favor of the ACLU/the girl. This is an important court case and an important precedent that will be set.

[Rebdragon]

Okay, good, I suppose I was right to assume you made this thread with the right intentions. I still have to disagree with you though- ruling in favor of her would result in too many negative consequences within the court system just to placate one girl. Although, if you're not looking for monetary compensations, what are you looking for? An apology? You don't need the court for that... And if you are looking to have the people fired, I'd have to say that they're just following policy. Now, I think zero-tolerance is a little dumb, but they were just doing their jobs.

 

 

 

And in regards to youthful idealism I'm referring to the court case; I agree that what happened was appalling.

[RichieMcD]

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Wow. Your mad about this? I suppose I would be too if i was the girl, but I would get over it because I know It's for the good of the country and it made sense. If they suspected her and had good reason too, go ahead, search. I would probably want to go into a restroom with a female officer, but nevertheless. You think they're reacting too strongly about ibuprofen? well, guess what? they would have to take it too a lab and test it (probably) to make sure it was ibuprofen. if it wasn't, and there was more in her underwear, then she would probably end up going into the restroom to smoke some meth on the airplane.

 

 

 

How did you jump from a 13 year old in possession of Ibuprofen to her lighting up in the toilet of an airplane? How is she supposed to get meth through customs and onto an airplane? I really do hate people with your attitude, how is strip searching a 13 year old for Ibuprofen "better for the country"? There is so many ways to handle the situation in question more careful and morally. I really do hope someday you experience a strip search for something so minor to know how embarrassing and aggravating the situation is.

 

it would be "better for the country" because of the possibility of plastic explosives. depending on how much drugs and the size of the container, she could be high and do anything someone told her to do. as for how she would get it on, let me tell you the already blinding flash of obviousness. THEY WOULDN'T STRIP SEARCH HER!

 

 

 

You really don't know much about anything you just mentioned there do you?

 

 

 

1. Plastic explosives....... On a 13 year old....... Attending school?

 

2. Do you know anything about an overdose on Ibuprofen, there is next to nothing similar to a high making a person easily gullible.

 

3. Let me tell you a blinding flash of obviousness, Drug dogs in all major airports, smoke alarms fitted in all aircraft throughout the plane, and most importantly, the highly unlikely chance of the common person taking meth on an airplane.

 

 

 

Your posts are coming across as so ignorant I wouldn't be surprised if you're trolling, otherwise please research before posting such stupidity. Are you even old enough to vote for the "better of the country"?

 

1: :wall: ok, another flash of the obvious, u can fit plastic explosives into a drug container.

 

2: :wall: They could put meth into it...

 

3: :wall: And yet people still manage to smuggle it.

 

And no, I'm not old enough to vote. if I was, I would probably get arrested for voting against Obama. And no, I'm not a troll.

 

 

 

1. You can fit plastic explosives in anything of a reasonable size, but what in the world are the likelihoods of a 13 year old possessing plastic explosives in school, hidden in their underpants, rigged up a detonation device?

 

 

 

2. They could put meth into anything, let me ask you again, what is the likelihood of a 13 possessing Methamphetamines in the shape and appearance of an Ibuprofen pill in school, who has never once has a disciplinary problem before?

 

 

 

3. Do you know anything about drug smuggling, don't respond with any smartass remarks to that, I.e "No, I'm not a drug smuggler". The most common way of drug smuggling is importation through corrupt delivery forms of truck drivers, van drivers or through smugglers using boats / private aircraft. Using domestic flights for drug smuggling? That's plain [developmentally delayed].

 

 

 

It is quite apparent you're not old enough to vote, I doubt your mental capacity at this stage to even know what is "for the better of the country", you only come across as the product of modern day media, where everyone is either on crack or meth and has some form of explosive hidden on them.

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1: see previous point of her being drugged up.

 

2: the person you should trust least is the person you trust most.

 

3: No, im not a drug smuggler. :) anyways, fine, u got me on that one.

 

 

 

1. And yet again I say, Ibuprofen doesn't give a "high" when you take over the presrcibed amount, it just makes you feel very sick. It in no way would make her gullible or "drugged up".

 

2. Please, stop with this "suspect everyone for anything", it's purely [developmentally delayed]ed in this situation.

 

3. Finally, you're showing some sense.

[mmmcannibalism]

Does anyone know approximately when this is going to be ruled on?

[Skeptical]

Wow, this is just laudable. A 13 year old girl being strip searched over some painkillers? Creepy, I mean normally they dont even search us for weed or E.

[Rebdragon]

3: No, im not a drug smuggler. :) anyways, fine, u got me on that one.

 

3. Finally, you're showing some sense.

 

For your sake I hope you aren't this much of a [puncture] off the internet.

[RichieMcD]

3: No, im not a drug smuggler. :) anyways, fine, u got me on that one.

 

3. Finally, you're showing some sense.

 

For your sake I hope you aren't this much of a [puncture] off the internet.

 

 

 

No I'm not like that, I said it because his ideas before that defied common sense and realism. By sense, I meant showing "common sense". Read through the past comments before slating me.

[Rebdragon]

He admitted fault. Common curtosy dictates you don't respond like a tool.

[Laura]

Let's change the story a bit.

 

 

 

Today, a 13 year-old girl became crippled at school, falling on the floor with her hand near her stomach. The teacher thought it was a bad stomach ache and called for the nurse. After the nurse had come, the young girl was screaming in agony and pain; an ambulance was called. Soon after being hauled off to the hospital, the girl went into hypovolemic shock and blood could not be transfused quick enough for the girl to be resumed. The prognoses was due to internal gastrointestinal bleeding. On her person, she was found to have ibuprofen in two ziplock bags.

 

 

 

Who is to blame in this scenario? I can say with utmost certainty that the parents would blame the school. This was necessary, regardless of whatever drug she was found to have.

[l0l0lpur34]

Let's change the story a bit.

 

 

 

Today, a 13 year-old girl became crippled at school, falling on the floor with her hand near her stomach. The teacher thought it was a bad stomach ache and called for the nurse. After the nurse had come, the young girl was screaming in agony and pain; an ambulance was called. Soon after being hauled off to the hospital, the girl went into hypovolemic shock and blood could not be transfused quick enough for the girl to be resumed. The prognoses was due to internal gastrointestinal bleeding. On her person, she was found to have ibuprofen in two ziplock bags.

 

 

 

Who is to blame in this scenario? I can say with utmost certainty that the parents would blame the school. This was necessary, regardless of whatever drug she was found to have.

 

Where the hell did that "changed story" come from? Are you implying that having ibuprofen with her in school meant she was going to overdose on it? [or that if she was planning to overdose on it, strip searching her for it in school would stop her from doing so?]

[Laura]

Let's change the story a bit.

 

 

 

Today, a 13 year-old girl became crippled at school, falling on the floor with her hand near her stomach. The teacher thought it was a bad stomach ache and called for the nurse. After the nurse had come, the young girl was screaming in agony and pain; an ambulance was called. Soon after being hauled off to the hospital, the girl went into hypovolemic shock and blood could not be transfused quick enough for the girl to be resumed. The prognoses was due to internal gastrointestinal bleeding. On her person, she was found to have ibuprofen in two ziplock bags.

 

 

 

Who is to blame in this scenario? I can say with utmost certainty that the parents would blame the school. This was necessary, regardless of whatever drug she was found to have.

 

Where the hell did that "changed story" come from? Are you implying that having ibuprofen with her in school meant she was going to overdose on it? [or that if she was planning to overdose on it, strip searching her for it in school would stop her from doing so?]

I created it and yes, she very well could have. But it doesn't matter what she was doing with it, someone that young, and bringing it to school, obviously has no idea that power of drugs.

[Will H]

I'd argue that respect to any individuals privacy is an important matter. Strip searches in my opinion should be done by police not nurses, teachers, principals or other staff members where the student attends. Keep the law simple: "police only" and there won't be a need for ridiculous monetary cases. If there are susceptible drugs involved then it shouldn't be handled by the school to begin with. Their job is to run the school, not to act like a police officer. Hand the kid over to the cops to be investigated and dealt with appropriately in compliance to the law. It pisses me off when I hear that principals and teachers etc want to try and control children and take matters in to their own hands. Reminds me of a Dr Phil show I watched about teachers wanting guns in classrooms :wall: If Australia ever becomes like this, I want outsy.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. No matter what the scenario is, this is not a job for school officials.

[fastortoise]

Let's change the story a bit.

 

 

 

Today, a 13 year-old girl became crippled at school, falling on the floor with her hand near her stomach. The teacher thought it was a bad stomach ache and called for the nurse. After the nurse had come, the young girl was screaming in agony and pain; an ambulance was called. Soon after being hauled off to the hospital, the girl went into hypovolemic shock and blood could not be transfused quick enough for the girl to be resumed. The prognoses was due to internal gastrointestinal bleeding. On her person, she was found to have ibuprofen in two ziplock bags.

 

 

 

Who is to blame in this scenario? I can say with utmost certainty that the parents would blame the school. This was necessary, regardless of whatever drug she was found to have.

 

Schools are responsible for educating children and teenagers. They don't have to mother them.. they have mothers for that stuff. They could of course send her home if she was high off the drug, since they could argue she couldn't concentrate in class.

[Laura]

Let's change the story a bit.

 

 

 

Today, a 13 year-old girl became crippled at school, falling on the floor with her hand near her stomach. The teacher thought it was a bad stomach ache and called for the nurse. After the nurse had come, the young girl was screaming in agony and pain; an ambulance was called. Soon after being hauled off to the hospital, the girl went into hypovolemic shock and blood could not be transfused quick enough for the girl to be resumed. The prognoses was due to internal gastrointestinal bleeding. On her person, she was found to have ibuprofen in two ziplock bags.

 

 

 

Who is to blame in this scenario? I can say with utmost certainty that the parents would blame the school. This was necessary, regardless of whatever drug she was found to have.

 

Schools are responsible for educating children and teenagers. They don't have to mother them.. they have mothers for that stuff. They could of course send her home if she was high off the drug, since they could argue she couldn't concentrate in class.

The school could be held liable for the death of the girl. They could also be held liable for the various other assortment of uses she could find with them. Ibuprofen lasts long enough to make it through school hours. Should the metabolism rate be too high for her, she can always go to the nurse. There is no excuse for having it on her person.

[l0l0lpur34]

Let's change the story a bit.

 

 

 

Today, a 13 year-old girl became crippled at school, falling on the floor with her hand near her stomach. The teacher thought it was a bad stomach ache and called for the nurse. After the nurse had come, the young girl was screaming in agony and pain; an ambulance was called. Soon after being hauled off to the hospital, the girl went into hypovolemic shock and blood could not be transfused quick enough for the girl to be resumed. The prognoses was due to internal gastrointestinal bleeding. On her person, she was found to have ibuprofen in two ziplock bags.

 

 

 

Who is to blame in this scenario? I can say with utmost certainty that the parents would blame the school. This was necessary, regardless of whatever drug she was found to have.

 

Where the hell did that "changed story" come from? Are you implying that having ibuprofen with her in school meant she was going to overdose on it? [or that if she was planning to overdose on it, strip searching her for it in school would stop her from doing so?]

I created it and yes, she very well could have. But it doesn't matter what she was doing with it, someone that young, and bringing it to school, obviously has no idea that power of drugs.

 

Why would she bring it to school to overdose on it if she was planning to? 13 isn't "that young" at all, it's ibuprofen for crying out loud...