[TWR] Legendz Defeat Downfall

[DFWILL]

This is how I see it...I looked at the declaration topic and I do not see a rule says time is a rule. However DF is still at fault, not for been late, but for lack of planning. Arranging two wars so close to each other is not exactly a great idea. :?

 

 

 

As for the lower option and the multi-clanners. I can almost be positive that LGZ did not break those rules on purpose, as they certainly are not stupid. LGZ is at fault here for breaking the rule, but unintentionally. DF however did show general disrespect for walking out of the war. I would say DF did worse on this part because LGZ's mistakes are most likely unintentional and DF's decision to with threw was intentional.

 

 

 

I would say DF have won this war, but both clans showed disrespect. LGZ for breaking the rules for the second time, and DF for walking out of the portal and the lateness.

 

 

 

~~Umm how is not Dd'ing an unintentional rule break??? LGZ WAS SUPPOSE TO BE DD'ING IN THE FIRST PLACE~!~!... Lgz attacking first just adds to their rule breaking. :wall:

[infinitone]

This is how I see it...I looked at the declaration topic and I do not see a rule says time is a rule. However DF is still at fault, not for been late, but for lack of planning. Arranging two wars so close to each other is not exactly a great idea. :?

 

 

 

 

So, we have to say 'Don't be 45 minutes late' next time when declaring a war?

 

 

 

Hmm, also throw in, 'Don't forget common sense to the war'.

 

 

 

Its clear, even after the first match, they refused to rematch. I don't know about any other clans here, but TWR has been about warring clans, and whether your gonna teeter about 1 minute late or 1 bind thrown, lets get real here, WOULD that REALLY affect the match SO MUCH to give you the edge of winning the war?

 

 

 

Obviously df leaving and refusing to rm, means they didn't really come to war but came to evade the war and get an excuse to win.

 

 

 

Lgz stayed 45 minutes to war df, df sees a bind and they leave. Kinda defeats the purpose of the word WAR in TWR? I'd understand if this was a close matched opt war, but lets get real here, this is the 2nd time we war, and its the 2nd time you are defeated.

[pheonix1099]

uhmm infonite u guys attacked first not only the bind but right after it uffan got piled seeing as u wer supposed to be DDING!! we left and tbh it does make a difference being in dd and numbers dont count cause its quality over quantitiy. Being in a dd is the advantage to the clan with less opts because it could easily spread you causing us to get quick k0s

[Lukeeeeee]

This is how I see it...I looked at the declaration topic and I do not see a rule says time is a rule. However DF is still at fault, not for been late, but for lack of planning. Arranging two wars so close to each other is not exactly a great idea. :?

 

 

 

 

So, we have to say 'Don't be 45 minutes late' next time when declaring a war?

 

 

 

Hmm, also throw in, 'Don't forget common sense to the war'.

 

 

 

Its clear, even after the first match, they refused to rematch. I don't know about any other clans here, but TWR has been about warring clans, and whether your gonna teeter about 1 minute late or 1 bind thrown, lets get real here, WOULD that REALLY affect the match SO MUCH to give you the edge of winning the war?

 

 

 

Obviously df leaving and refusing to rm, means they didn't really come to war but came to evade the war and get an excuse to win.

 

 

 

Lgz stayed 45 minutes to war df, df sees a bind and they leave. Kinda defeats the purpose of the word WAR in TWR? I'd understand if this was a close matched opt war, but lets get real here, this is the 2nd time we war, and its the 2nd time you are defeated.

 

actually if you read the rules (link is on another page) you will see the higher opts dd (lgz didnt do) and lower opts att (lgz did when higher opts).

 

tbh there are no grounds for you to try and complain when you accepted to wait while df were warring. it is not a defeat if the other clan breaks rules

[Uffan5]

This is how I see it...I looked at the declaration topic and I do not see a rule says time is a rule. However DF is still at fault, not for been late, but for lack of planning. Arranging two wars so close to each other is not exactly a great idea. :?

 

Obviously df leaving and refusing to rm, means they didn't really come to war but came to evade the war and get an excuse to win.

 

 

 

Lgz stayed 45 minutes to war df, df sees a bind and they leave. Kinda defeats the purpose of the word WAR in TWR? I'd understand if this was a close matched opt war, but lets get real here, this is the 2nd time we war, and its the 2nd time you are defeated.

 

We already warred once, but because of the rule break then we decided to give it another shot today, which failed. We weren't evading anything just tired of constant rule breaks whent he rules were stated clearly. Again i don't really need to explain the time issue again as i did above.

[infinitone]

You seem to miss the point. TWR is about wars, minor rules such as first to attack, flames, etc. are fully acceptable in close matched opt wars (or in the flaming case, if the entire clan is doing it). But this is a full out, 64-48 man war.

 

 

 

So would you say, if a df recruit flamed lgz right before the war, would that make the ENTIRE war over and lgz wins?

 

 

 

It comes back to what i just said 2 lines ago. TWR is about WARS. Minor rules broken doesn't nullify the entire war because it takes TIME and EFFORT to schedule full outs. And the whole point of the war is to essentially see which clan supersedes the other at that time. And if it need be done, a rematch should be done. In this case, you clearly left the war and refused to rematch with the MINOR rules re-enforced.

 

 

 

Does that really make you the clan that supersedes the other? Or one that is looking for an excuse to win on the charts.

[Lukeeeeee]

You seem to miss the point. TWR is about wars, minor rules such as first to attack, flames, etc. are fully acceptable in close matched opt wars (or in the flaming case, if the entire clan is doing it). But this is a full out, 62-48 man war.

 

 

 

So would you say, if a df recruit flamed lgz right before the war, would that make the ENTIRE war over and lgz wins?

 

 

 

It comes back to what i just said 2 lines ago. TWR is about WARS. Minor rules broken doesn't nullify the entire war because it takes TIME and EFFORT to schedule full outs. And the whole point of the war is to essentially see which clan supersedes the other at that time. And if it need be done, a rematch should be done. In this case, you clearly left the war and refused to rematch with the MINOR rules re-enforced.

 

 

 

Does that really make you the clan that supersedes the other? Or one that is looking for an excuse to win on the charts.

 

if these "minor" rules were not broken then we wouldnt have this problem. this was your chance at a rematch seeings originally you broke these "minor" rules then too. if these rules arent to be followed then why bother warring if you know it is going to happen. we dont need excuses to win wars and also what you are saying seems to point towards you ignoring rules if they are "minor".

 

this is the 2nd time it has happened and you cant blame df for being fed up of dq's

[Tizi]

It does look like Lgz was about to rush DF, but on the other hand, someone from DF binded before Lgz attacked:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

haha lol look at the picture closely......the bind came from lgz , as the guy from there said l uff.

[Uffan5]

The matter has nothing to do with flaming, but the fact that the start of the war was again disrupted. Legendz was supposed to dd and Downfall expecting this were caught off guard again by the Legendz attack. This wasn't a minor rule, its one of the most important.

[infinitone]

 

if these "minor" rules were not broken then we wouldnt have this problem. this was your chance at a rematch seeings originally you broke these "minor" rules then too. if these rules arent to be followed then why bother warring if you know it is going to happen. we dont need excuses to win wars and also what you are saying seems to point towards you ignoring rules if they are "minor".

 

this is the 2nd time it has happened and you cant blame df for being fed up of dq's

 

 

 

If the way you are thinking is put into play, then this war is null since both clans exchanged flames? You were also 45 minutes late, this happened before the flames, so shouldn't you be 'DQed'?

 

 

 

But of course, that happens in full outs, your always gonna have a few bad apples or a bad time, does that mean the whole war is off. No, there is leniency towards such things unless they go out of hand or are done intentionally by the entire clan.

 

 

 

This leniency was what we had done when we saw you were still in a war with HP. So technically from your perspective you are already 'DQed' even before the war since you came 45 minutes late from the scheduled time. Yet again, I hit at my main point, we are a warring clan, note the word war. And not 'that rule is broken, war is off!'.

 

 

 

There still remains 1 question unanswered, even after both sides broke rules, LGZ still requested a rematch, not afraid of a few mishaps, we still wanted a real war...

 

 

 

 

Its too bad our requests were unanswered. So why didn't you rematch right there on the spot instead of having a forum post contest?

 

 

 

Assuming that the same was going to happen in a rematch is certainly NOT a good response, because we can simply just assume many things too.

[Plazaskater]

Lol...

 

Who cares about points tbh, we all know who the better clan is.. and that's what really counts.

[DFWILL]

You seem to miss the point. TWR is about wars, minor rules such as first to attack, flames, etc. are fully acceptable in close matched opt wars (or in the flaming case, if the entire clan is doing it). But this is a full out, 62-48 man war.

 

 

 

So would you say, if a df recruit flamed lgz right before the war, would that make the ENTIRE war over and lgz wins?

 

 

 

It comes back to what i just said 2 lines ago. TWR is about WARS. Minor rules broken doesn't nullify the entire war because it takes TIME and EFFORT to schedule full outs. And the whole point of the war is to essentially see which clan supersedes the other at that time. And if it need be done, a rematch should be done. In this case, you clearly left the war and refused to rematch with the MINOR rules re-enforced.

 

 

 

Does that really make you the clan that supersedes the other? Or one that is looking for an excuse to win on the charts.

 

 

 

 

 

62-48 now infin???? What ever happened to 70-50? :roll: 14 man advantage can easily be overcome....

[Lukeeeeee]

 

if these "minor" rules were not broken then we wouldnt have this problem. this was your chance at a rematch seeings originally you broke these "minor" rules then too. if these rules arent to be followed then why bother warring if you know it is going to happen. we dont need excuses to win wars and also what you are saying seems to point towards you ignoring rules if they are "minor".

 

this is the 2nd time it has happened and you cant blame df for being fed up of dq's

 

 

 

If the way you are thinking is put into play, then this war is null since both clans exchanged flames? You were also 45 minutes late, this happened before the flames, so shouldn't you be 'DQed'?

 

 

 

But of course, that happens in majority of full outs, your always gonna have a few bad apples or a bad time, does that mean the whole war is off. No, there is leniency towards such things unless they go out of hand or are done intentionally by the entire clan.

 

 

 

This leniency was what we had done when we saw you were still in a war with HP. So technically from your perspective you are already 'DQed' even before the war since you came 45 minutes late from the scheduled time. Yet again, I hit at my main point, we are a warring clan, note the word war. And not 'that rule is broken, war is off!'.

 

notice that we were already in a war and had to finish this before our next war started. the wait was unavoidable. ok sure there is always going to be minor little problems to sort out but that doesnt explain why you didnt dd and attacked first.

[Plazaskater]

You seem to miss the point. TWR is about wars, minor rules such as first to attack, flames, etc. are fully acceptable in close matched opt wars (or in the flaming case, if the entire clan is doing it). But this is a full out, 62-48 man war.

 

 

 

So would you say, if a df recruit flamed lgz right before the war, would that make the ENTIRE war over and lgz wins?

 

 

 

It comes back to what i just said 2 lines ago. TWR is about WARS. Minor rules broken doesn't nullify the entire war because it takes TIME and EFFORT to schedule full outs. And the whole point of the war is to essentially see which clan supersedes the other at that time. And if it need be done, a rematch should be done. In this case, you clearly left the war and refused to rematch with the MINOR rules re-enforced.

 

 

 

Does that really make you the clan that supersedes the other? Or one that is looking for an excuse to win on the charts.

 

 

 

 

 

62-48 now infin???? What ever happened to 70-50? :roll: 14 man advantage can easily be overcome....

 

 

 

 

 

Very true, numbers don't count for **** in a war with 40+ people on both sides, its the ability of how a clan can war.

[Uffan5]

The actual leniency was provided when we agreed to a rematch after the first war resulted in the same thing as today. We gladly suggested this rematch as we don't want to end a highly anticipated war with a DQ. But after today when the same thing happened again we drew the line and decided it was time to move on despite our urge to want a nice clean fight.

[Tizi]

Also keep in mind this isnt the first time this hapened.

 

 

 

Are first war, lgz broke rules and we had to reschedule the fight. I dont think it would be fair to us, that we have to give lgz a rm for everytime they break a rule.

 

 

 

Also atting first is not a ,minor rule break, as that can decide the whole fight. Say uff was are fall in leader and he wasnt looking for pile to att him(because they were suposed to att) and he got rushed. The whole DF pile would fall apart leading to easy kills. Also The first pile gives the clan with less ppl a way to climb up.

 

 

 

Also, another rule is multi clanning, as in the original post for this war, i replied to jc all the multy clanners, so he can take care of them. And now we war, and theres other multy clanners. I dont see how this can be a mistake, you should check if the person is on another ML. Its lgz's responcibility to check there ml, not fair to have some one check it for them. Example of multy: Jkasz.

 

 

 

As for the being late part, you guys could of left, but you didnt. That is not are fault, you guys agreed to stay. I'm pretty sure we lost around 6 people to cause of the delay, so i dont think that should come into play.

 

 

 

Overall, i see how both clans had some rough spots, about who had more, its up to TWR mods,

[Lukeeeeee]

also one thing about what inf said earlier:

 

DF wants wars that both clans respect and show their honour when warring.

 

some of this topic may show people without honour/respect for others which we in df keep as a high priority

[Laikrob]

The more you argue, the more any evidence will drown in posts. Just saying. :)

 

 

 

Mistakes were made on both sides, and that will be taken into consideration when a decision is made (very soon). Uffan, could you send me a PM explaining which Clan Mod told you that your clan should walk out of the war if LGZ attacked first, and the details surrounding this?

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

Laikrob,

 

Clan Staff.

[Tizi]

 

if these "minor" rules were not broken then we wouldnt have this problem. this was your chance at a rematch seeings originally you broke these "minor" rules then too. if these rules arent to be followed then why bother warring if you know it is going to happen. we dont need excuses to win wars and also what you are saying seems to point towards you ignoring rules if they are "minor".

 

this is the 2nd time it has happened and you cant blame df for being fed up of dq's

 

 

 

If the way you are thinking is put into play, then this war is null since both clans exchanged flames? You were also 45 minutes late, this happened before the flames, so shouldn't you be 'DQed'?

 

 

 

But of course, that happens in full outs, your always gonna have a few bad apples or a bad time, does that mean the whole war is off. No, there is leniency towards such things unless they go out of hand or are done intentionally by the entire clan.

 

 

 

This leniency was what we had done when we saw you were still in a war with HP. So technically from your perspective you are already 'DQed' even before the war since you came 45 minutes late from the scheduled time. Yet again, I hit at my main point, we are a warring clan, note the word war. And not 'that rule is broken, war is off!'.

 

 

 

There still remains 1 question unanswered, even after both sides broke rules, LGZ still requested a rematch, not afraid of a few mishaps, we still wanted a real war...

 

 

 

 

Its too bad our requests were unanswered. So why didn't you rematch right there on the spot instead of having a forum post contest?

 

 

 

Assuming that the same was going to happen in a rematch is certainly NOT a good response, because we can simply just assume many things too.

 

 

 

for the waiting 45minutes, you guys decide to wait, not are fault.

 

 

 

and for you guys breaking a rule its the second time that happend, what do you expect us to do? we already gave you guys a second chance.

[Lukeeeeee]

The more you argue, the more any evidence will drown in posts. Just saying. :)

 

 

 

Mistakes were made on both sides, and that will be taken into consideration when a decision is made (very soon). Uffan, could you send me a PM explaining which Clan Mod told you that your clan should walk out of the war if LGZ attacked first, and the details surrounding this?

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

Laikrob,

 

Clan Staff.

 

uhh just for ur info it was amateurnoob who got the message (page 2 on this thread he states it)

 

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[DFWILL]

The more you argue, the more any evidence will drown in posts. Just saying. :)

 

 

 

Mistakes were made on both sides, and that will be taken into consideration when a decision is made (very soon). Uffan, could you send me a PM explaining which Clan Mod told you that your clan should walk out of the war if LGZ attacked first, and the details surrounding this?

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

Laikrob,

 

Clan Staff.

 

 

 

 

 

Laik amate was told by dbz I believe, not uff.

[infinitone]

 

62-48 now infin???? What ever happened to 70-50? :roll: 14 man advantage can easily be overcome....

 

 

 

Hmm, if you took some time to read the first post instead of talking blindly you might just of avoided your situation..

 

 

 

We had 70 men at the scheduled time, your elite time skills led to some of our guys losing patience, so after 45 minutes we dropped to 64.

 

 

 

 

notice that we were already in a war and had to finish this before our next war started. the wait was unavoidable. ok sure there is always going to be minor little problems to sort out but that doesnt explain why you didnt dd and attacked first.

 

 

 

Oi? You disagreed with 'minor' rules earlier, and now you agree. I find it funny that you label your 45 minutes late issue a minor problem. But when we make an issue you make it a big problem.

[Laikrob]

My bad, posts were right on top of eachother. :oops: Again, too many people posting too much irrelevant stuff. Thanks for clearing it up anyway. :thumbup:

 

 

 

Can Amateurnoob PM me a short version of what happened and the conversation, then? :)

[Lukeeeeee]

 

62-48 now infin???? What ever happened to 70-50? :roll: 14 man advantage can easily be overcome....

 

 

 

Hmm, if you took some time to read the first post instead of talking blindly you might just of avoided your situation..

 

 

 

We had 70 men at the scheduled time, your elite time skills led to some of our guys losing patience, so after 45 minutes we dropped to 62.

 

 

 

 

notice that we were already in a war and had to finish this before our next war started. the wait was unavoidable. ok sure there is always going to be minor little problems to sort out but that doesnt explain why you didnt dd and attacked first.

 

 

 

Oi? You disagreed with 'minor' rules earlier, and now you agree. I find it funny that you label your 45 minutes late issue a minor problem. But when we make an issue you make it a big problem.

 

by the minor issues i meant by getting people into dd's etc i wasnt referring to time issues as i said the wait was unavoidable due to a war that was nearing its end

[DFWILL]

Infin in your earlier post you said 6 left if I remember correctly (typing this on itouch..cant really look back).. You never said anything about 8 people leaving..