[TWR] Legendz Defeat Downfall

[infinitone]

 

by the minor issues i meant by getting people into dd's etc i wasnt referring to time issues as i said the wait was unavoidable due to a war that was nearing its end

 

 

 

Goes back to my posts: leniency. If lgz acted the way df did, we would of simply spammed 'DQed' when you came 45 minutes late.

 

 

 

But we didn't, in fact, we warred, and were lenient for you to bend the minor time rule, even though it cost us 6 men.

 

 

 

Yet when we warred you , you didn't offer that sort of leniency. And when we asked for a rematch, you didn't offer that sort of leniency. Indeed it is our fault for being lenient and considerate for your lateness, it is a tad shame you didn't offer the same.

 

 

 

Nonetheless its evident which clan came to war and which one came for the points.

[Lukeeeeee]

 

by the minor issues i meant by getting people into dd's etc i wasnt referring to time issues as i said the wait was unavoidable due to a war that was nearing its end

 

 

 

Goes back to my posts, leniency. If lgz acted the way df did, we would of simply spammed 'DQed' when you came 45 minutes late.

 

 

 

But we didn't, in fact, we warred, and were lenient for you to bend the minor time rule, even though it cost us 6 men.

 

 

 

Yet when you warred you didn't offer that sort of leniency. And when we asked for a rematch, you still didn't offer that sort of leniency. Indeed it is our fault for being lenient and considerate for your lateness, it is a tad shame you didn't offer the same.

 

 

 

Nonetheless its evident which clan came to war and which one came for the points, simply because of this:

 

 

we were lenient the first time it came to this war as we nulled the result even after u were dq'ed and uff said ok to a rm. the leniency came the first time and if you keep expecting it while breaking rules you are going to get nowhere. the lateness was due to a war (already explained approx 10 times) and u cannot blame unexpected circumstances on why you dqed yet again

[Uffan5]

For the third time now, the time shouldn't even be considered, as i talked with Jc before accepting the war with HP for the same date which he said would be fine. However, it ran over completely out of our control and was very unpredicted.

[lordhotshot]

All downfall stop posting on this topic unless your a official please.

[infinitone]

the lateness was due to a war (already explained approx 10 times) and u cannot blame unexpected circumstances on why you dqed yet again

 

 

 

Oh, so sticking 2 wars on the same day, fully accept the time and day of the war 2 weeks prior. Give no notice of being late anytime prior the war time FULLY justifies being late?

 

 

 

rofl. Your leads chose the date and time, they accepted it, wouldn't that mean they will be on time? The war was planned TWO WEEKS before, how can it NOT be avoidable. You can simply say a day before the war, you aren't comfortable with the war time. You chose the time, and now you say its unavoidable to be late?

 

 

 

So let me get this straight, you planned being late? This keeps getting more interesting...

[Uffan5]

For the third time now, the time shouldn't even be considered, as i talked with Jc before accepting the war with HP for the same date which he said would be fine. However, it ran over completely out of our control and was very unpredicted.

[infinitone]

For the third time now, the time shouldn't even be considered, as i talked with Jc before accepting the war with HP for the same date which he said would be fine. However, it ran over completely out of our control and was very unpredicted.

 

 

 

So... your too tired to explain why 'the time shouldn't even be considered', you were also too tired to rm on the spot. When are you not tired?

[Uffan5]

When did i say i was tired? I have posted this four times now, the time shouldn't be an issure because I talked with Jc before accepting the HP war and cleared it with him. Also, when the time was approach 3 eastern (war time) i did pm Jc warning him about the current numbers in the war. I'm not sure how you can make these claims that we didn't or have knowledge of the past war when you havn't been active on RS.

[DFWILL]

Me and zq50 are pretty tight friends. :thumbsup: .. (gen in legendz/advisor on rh)... and i as well pmed him telling him that our war vs hp could run into our war with you guys... idk if he passed it on to you (infi) or jc... but there's another instance where we tried to prepare you guys that we could run over on time... now we didn't plan on having an hour and 45 min war vs hp... but there was substantial notification given to lgz that we could be late to your war.

 

 

 

~Rune

[Amateurnoob]

For the third time now, the time shouldn't even be considered, as i talked with Jc before accepting the war with HP for the same date which he said would be fine. However, it ran over completely out of our control and was very unpredicted.

 

 

 

So... your too tired to explain why 'the time shouldn't even be considered', you were also too tired to rm on the spot. When are you not tired?

 

 

 

please note. JC could have not agreed to wait. He did. I believe time is irrelevant and that argument is not on your side due to the fact that he warred anyways. Also Infinitone.. may I ask....were you there today? I didn't happen to see you, and if you weren't would it be a problem to get an actual LGZ leader that knows the true facts to begin posting please and thank you.

[Dfdarkpyro]

Ok, here's a recap, and I am not going to say anything to sway the topic either way.

 

 

 

A little while ago, Downfall warred Legendz in a war which Legendz won, abeit with multi-clanners. We made a compromise with Jc that we would have a rematch, instead of a possible null in the war if we had posted on TWR.

 

 

 

That's how this war came to happen.

 

 

 

This war, we had a war with HP to start (which was an amazing war), they tanked hard and we tanked hard, and the war dragged on and on. When we emerged victorious over them (by 3 people), we then restocked and warred Legendz, whose clan officials had agreed to wait. The war started like any normal war, though it took the clans like 5 minutes to find each other, and when they did, a rule break occured on behalf of Legendz. Downfall left the war at that point, and Legendz demanded a rematch. Downfall didn't want a rematch, since that war was supposed to be a rematch in the first place, so we walked away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's pretty much the story.

[Amateurnoob]

and quickly to add on... I see people saying one pile doesn't make the outcome of the war... When it is a sudden pile brought onto one of the main leaders. It effects the war greatly. Uffan5 was piled and K0 as he was not expecting it coming because we were supposed to attack first.

[Billy Key]

Honestly walking out because the other clan attacked first seems an over reaction. Whether it's a misunderstanding or intentional, I think it's worth having the fight even if you do decide to try to get them DQed afterwards. As far as rules go, who attacks first is a pretty minor thing and if you do get rushed unexpectedly then you need to try to regroup and keep on going.

 

 

 

As far as what tipit should decide, I am myself undecided. half an hour is a long time to wait for a clan. It's always a good idea to leave a bit of time between events to make sure that the one before has finished before the next is scheduled to start. In BK the rule is to leave atleast an hour I think. In the past BK has had wars that overlapped with BK cadet wars and BK cadet staff have been late/not been able to attend the BK wars because of the cadet war. It isn't nice to have anyone on your side miss a war but if it is your mistake that has caused the problem then I think you need to suck it up and leave the people still fighting behind in order to get to the next war on time.

 

 

 

LGZ did break the rule about who attacked first but in my experience which clan attacks is the type of rule you stick on at the end of negotiations just to stop any confusion at the start of the fight. It's not a major rule that would warrant a clan to walk out if it was broken or a disqualification.

 

 

 

The decision for tipit looks to me to be whether or not the rule that was broken is worthy of a clan walking out of the arena now that the question of who attacked first seems to have been answered in the video, if it is then DF gets the win and if not then LGZ are the winners.

 

 

 

I hope you can sort this out! :ohnoes:

[Dfdarkpyro]

one of the rules in the declaration topic is:

 

"Any rule broken will result in an automatic DQ"

 

 

 

Key words: ANY RULE.

 

 

 

also, we gave LGZ a SECOND CHANCE when they used multiclanners and cheated the runehead lock on the first war, we gave them the option for us not to post on Tip.It, just like their leaders gave us their understanding that we could be late.

[Billy Key]

Yeah, I read the bit about any rule being broken but like I said I am not sure it can be literally interpreted as a rule. To me deciding who attacks first is simply something that is done to avoid confusion when all the rules have been sorted.

 

 

 

I guess that if it was agreed as a rule then DF have DQ but I would have a problem enforcing that particular DQ simply because it is such a minor infringement no matter who they piled (maybe that is why I am not one of the people making this decision eh? :lol: ). Uffan managed to tank 60+ people half decently anyway and he would have been their first pile anyway. If you had a person you were ready to pile then click the mouse and get on with piling that person as far as I am concerned.

 

 

 

As for them allowing you to be as late as you were which they seem to deny so far, it is disrespectful to be that late to a fight for the sake of a few members whether or not the other clan agreed.

 

 

 

Anyway it is not my place to get involved in this debate, I hope the outcome is the best possible for all parties as unlikely as that is! :thumbsup:

[123456789why]

Yeah, I read the bit about any rule being broken but like I said I am not sure it can be literally interpreted as a rule. To me deciding who attacks first is simply something that is done to avoid confusion when all the rules have been sorted.

 

 

 

I guess that if it was agreed as a rule then DF have DQ but I would have a problem enforcing that particular DQ simply because it is such a minor infringement no matter who they piled (maybe that is why I am not one of the people making this decision eh? :lol: ). Uffan managed to tank 60+ people half decently anyway and he would have been their first pile anyway. If you had a person you were ready to pile then click the mouse and get on with piling that person as far as I am concerned.

 

 

 

As for them allowing you to be as late as you were which they seem to deny so far, it is disrespectful to be that late to a fight for the sake of a few members whether or not the other clan agreed.

 

 

 

Anyway it is not my place to get involved in this debate, I hope the outcome is the best possible for all parties as unlikely as that is! :thumbsup:

Thought i would let you know...We had 2 wars that day And our First war(Vs HP) took a bit too long like Kerrigo said that its is very Hard to Know how long a war is. Also like Uffan5 and Amateurnoob Said Before, They Spoke With LGZ Leaders Before war That they Might Be late to war

[infinitone]

From here, we are just going in circles...

 

 

 

- Planning 2 wars on the same day doesn't justify you being late since you accepted it in the first place, which inherently makes you responsible enough to make it on time.

 

 

 

- As stated by Steeny, minor rules such as lgz attacking first doesn't justify you walking out. And even if you walked out, you were offered an rm with these minor rules re-enforced, you still didn't accept.

 

 

 

- "Any rule broken will result in an automatic DQ". If that were taken literally then majority of wars will be nulled or would have disputes, since there is likely to be flaming/flame baiting between both sides. And in this specific case, there was. Would that make it null? No, there is something called leniency, as I stated earlier, such that minor rules can be bent to an extent.

 

 

 

And it goes back to my point, we were lenient with your late coming. Because we wanted a war, we don't simply walk out and say 'DQed'.

[Dfdarkpyro]

From here, we are just going in circles...

 

 

 

And it goes back to my point, we were lenient with your late coming. Because we wanted a war, we don't simply walk out and say 'DQed'.

 

 

 

first of all, i dont get why inf is discussing, he wasnt even there.

 

 

 

secondly, that war was the rematch, you already used multiclanners in the war a few weeks back.

 

 

 

so dont tell DF you were lenient with them, we GAVE YOU THE SECOND CHANCE. we could have posted and said gf lgz you cheated, but we didn't.

 

 

 

however, 2 times is more then were willing to compromise for, were not going to repeatedly rematch LGZ if they have no intention of abiding by the rules outlined.

[harnam]

AS TO SEEN TAT DARKPYRO SAID ANY RULS WERE BROKEN TAT IS DQ SO

 

BEFORE STARTIN THE WAR DFF CAME LATE SO TATS A BROKE RULE SO TATS FIRST DQSO IT SHOUDNT CONSIDRED THE BINDING THING FIRST DF CAME LATE SO TATS DQ... SO LATE WAS FIRST THEN THE BINDING THING

[Thehitman324]

AS TO SEEN TAT DARKPYRO SAID ANY RULS WERE BROKEN TAT IS DQ SO

 

BEFORE STARTIN THE WAR DFF CAME LATE SO TATS A BROKE RULE SO TATS FIRST DQSO IT SHOUDNT CONSIDRED THE BINDING THING FIRST DF CAME LATE SO TATS DQ... SO LATE WAS FIRST THEN THE BINDING THING

 

 

 

dude make some sense?

[Thehitman324]

since there is likely to be flaming/flame baiting between both sides. And in this specific case, there was. Would that make it null? No, there is something called leniency, as I stated earlier, such that minor rules can be bent to an extent.

 

 

 

excuse me sir, can u give me some proof of our flames before talking stuff that its not true please. thanks :^o

[nikhil71993]

We waited for you for 45minutes, still we fought with you. If there was some other clan other then Legendz, they may just ask for auto win. Most of our clan members were late because of war, even i left before the war... and yea i agree that was our mistake that we attacked you first.

 

But as we waited for you for 45minutes!... can't you compromise to do just 1 rm? You must not challenge 2 clans togather... even you start the fight against hp later then the time that was decided. You didn't think of the other clan waiting for you since 45 minutes to war you. Our clan members massed 1 hour earlier at bh and then waited for you for 45minutes. We all have a life and other things to do other then war.

 

 

 

Here is the sceen shot to show how much our clan members faced because of this war :-

 

 

 

[Clay_More12]

Look what Lita Chansey says, tell me why would we let HP auto win when we was winning? and I remember telling Uff "What happens if HP war is over an hour" he said "I already talked to that to Jc, no worrys." Looks like Jc hasn't been telling you lot the proper rules.

[LegendaryStu]

Right lets look at facts.

 

 

 

Downfall were late, it was unavoidable, live with it.

 

 

 

Lgz attacked first? Ok

 

 

 

 

 

IMO Downfall should of rematched, however since this WAS a rematch.. who knows.

 

 

 

 

 

But please just shut up about tip it points, it seems everyone is just hungry for points points points and not really caring who won.

[Scorrtty19]

Right lets look at facts.

 

Downfall were late, it was unavoidable, live with it.

 

Avoidable it is. DF don't need to war twice in a few hours. Do 1 war and u don't have that problem. It looks very annoying for LGZ to wait 47 minutes after the official wartime and 32 minutes after the allowed delay. Also rulebreaking imo. I know DF must finish the war but it's wrong to do 2 wars in a few hours.