F2p prayer is unreasonable

[langer]

I'd like to see members survive one week without freeplay servers. See how you guys stack up against changes in the economy. Some things like yews would skyrocket cause there aren't as many people cutting them anymore. There's probably more examples, but my mind is buzzing on me.

 

 

 

That would be an incentive to train your woodcutting. I don't see a problem here. If yew logs skyrocket, I won't complain, I'll just woodcut.

 

 

 

And you said since you pay, they should update in your favor. Well if they make money off freeplay, don't you think its only fair that they'd use some of the funds from that area toward something that could benefit freeplayers? And even if there wasn't profit from freeplay sever ads, don't you think that if they can pay a team of people to create/update a pub, that they could afford something, to help out freeplay?

 

 

 

One more thing, can you mention some of the freeplay updates for us in 2009 other than the PvP features? (Not to be an assh*le, but just cause to reiterate them for me quickly).

 

 

 

They make money off ads, which can be found on the main page (so yes even members contribue to revenues from ads) and from the game page. Last I heard, F2P was getting 1-2 updates a year for free plus all the patch notes (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that relates to the F2P world. This is from my point of view, pretty nice for a free online game.

 

 

 

And lastly, even though we don't pay, we deserve to be able to rant. If someone allows others to play for free, the players can criticize that game if they want to. People rant about CrossFire all the time cause it's so repetitive, if they can do that for CF, people bored of RS can do the same. Right, you can say, "Oh, you want more, pay for it". I hate saying that MMG called F2p a game of its own, but if it is like that, then players do deserve to rant.

 

 

 

Sure you can rant, but I can also rant back. The difference is Jagex will most likely listen to members ranting than to F2Pers because the members actually pay for their services.

 

 

 

That is 70K for every 1M, and you know they make more than 1M in just 1 month. But even so, say they make 1M a month. That is 70k per month, which is 840k a year. Almost a million a year from F2P alone using those numbers.

 

 

 

Like mentionned in this post, these are revenues from ads, which are found on the main page that everyone go to log in, members included. Every time I go to the knowledge base, I have to bear these ads. Saying all ads revenues are attributed to F2P is incorrect. The thing is, Jagex might have said that F2P is its own game, but in the grande scheme of things, it's nothing more to them than a recruiting playground for membership.

 

They are aware that not everybody from F2P will become members but they still need these people in-game to attract new players. To keep them playing, they give the annual 1-2 updates.

[Darkblade20]

I just can't stay away from this thread, the debate is so tantalizing!

 

 

 

I'd really like to point out how ridiculous the "consumer is always right" theory is. The consumer is not right, they never were right, and probably won't be right in the near future. You may think you're bending the will of the economy around yourself, but it's the other way around! It's just a generally false economic psychology. Sure, you're paying the company, but it's such an inflated rate, the profit margin for whatever company is in question, is astronomical. Taking computers for example, PC power doubles every 8-10 months at virtually no cost, Japan's CEATEC convention showcasing a 256GB SD-RAM device (Yes, that's gigabytes). Upon an excursion to the local electronics store, you'll probably find that graphics card you purchased for $280 a while ago, for $140 on the bottom shelf, while a processor of two to three times more power has taken it's place for the same price, it could even be more expensive. These are just the companies "you're" paying, making what I like to call "mad bank". Don't think because you're paying, you're entitled to the world, as much as I like to toy with that theory.

 

 

 

Now, drifting back into reality, while that 7% may not seem like a lot, it adds up. As someone already stated, 840,000 a year.. may not seem like much compared to their total revenue, but that amount alone is probably enough to cover server costs alone, for all servers. It may even go on to cover wages. This leaves more money to devote to other projects, don't underestimate numbers just because they're small.

 

 

 

Now, at the very end, I'm gonna light another fire by bringing up, yet again, that F2P is simply just not the full game. If you were to remove f2p, p2p could go on as usual, as was generously pointed out a couple posts ago. Any game expansion, if the full game is removed, you cannot play it. This is why I win =D> :geek: :ugeek: :ohnoes:

[quelmotz]

I'd like to see members survive one week without freeplay servers. See how you guys stack up against changes in the economy. Some things like yews would skyrocket cause there aren't as many people cutting them anymore. There's probably more examples, but my mind is buzzing on me.

 

 

 

That would be an incentive to train your woodcutting. I don't see a problem here. If yew logs skyrocket, I won't complain, I'll just woodcut.

 

 

 

And you said since you pay, they should update in your favor. Well if they make money off freeplay, don't you think its only fair that they'd use some of the funds from that area toward something that could benefit freeplayers? And even if there wasn't profit from freeplay sever ads, don't you think that if they can pay a team of people to create/update a pub, that they could afford something, to help out freeplay?

 

 

 

One more thing, can you mention some of the freeplay updates for us in 2009 other than the PvP features? (Not to be an assh*le, but just cause to reiterate them for me quickly).

 

 

 

They make money off ads, which can be found on the main page (so yes even members contribue to revenues from ads) and from the game page. Last I heard, F2P was getting 1-2 updates a year for free plus all the patch notes (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that relates to the F2P world. This is from my point of view, pretty nice for a free online game.

 

 

 

And lastly, even though we don't pay, we deserve to be able to rant. If someone allows others to play for free, the players can criticize that game if they want to. People rant about CrossFire all the time cause it's so repetitive, if they can do that for CF, people bored of RS can do the same. Right, you can say, "Oh, you want more, pay for it". I hate saying that MMG called F2p a game of its own, but if it is like that, then players do deserve to rant.

 

 

 

Sure you can rant, but I can also rant back. The difference is Jagex will most likely listen to members ranting than to F2Pers because the members actually pay for their services.

 

 

 

That is 70K for every 1M, and you know they make more than 1M in just 1 month. But even so, say they make 1M a month. That is 70k per month, which is 840k a year. Almost a million a year from F2P alone using those numbers.

 

 

 

Like mentionned in this post, these are revenues from ads, which are found on the main page that everyone go to log in, members included. Every time I go to the knowledge base, I have to bear these ads. Saying all ads revenues are attributed to F2P is incorrect. The thing is, Jagex might have said that F2P is its own game, but in the grande scheme of things, it's nothing more to them than a recruiting playground for membership.

 

They are aware that not everybody from F2P will become members but they still need these people in-game to attract new players. To keep them playing, they give the annual 1-2 updates.

 

 

 

Members don't see advertisements, so I honestly don't know what you're talking about when you say "all ads revenue are attributed to f2p is incorrect". Read the members' benefit list and you'll see that there's one point saying "no advertisements".

 

 

 

So what's stopping Jagex from making this a patch/side update? It would affect members and f2p. This wouldn't take half a day to do, as I already said. Or even if this was one of the "annual 1-2 updates", many people would be happy. So stop being greedy and selfish.

 

 

 

Would it affect you so much? If so, how?

 

If you can't answer this question reasonably, what's making you become so strongly against any form of f2p updates?

[Tim_Tam_Tan_Tien]

 

Do you have another single, I have heard the "pay like the rest of us" single WAY to much.

 

 

 

I can guarantee every time any body says f2p should get an update atleast 1 person will play this single (see how I kept the metaphor going?) called "pay like the rest of us".

 

 

 

 

1. Wtf is a single? seriously dude?

 

 

 

2. That is not a metaphor, even a similie...

 

 

 

3. The reason people say this is because it's true. Nothing is free, and Imo F2P has been incredibly lucky these past years with the implement of content such as the duel arena, FoG, GoP and much more.

[quelmotz]

 

Do you have another single, I have heard the "pay like the rest of us" single WAY to much.

 

 

 

I can guarantee every time any body says f2p should get an update atleast 1 person will play this single (see how I kept the metaphor going?) called "pay like the rest of us".

 

 

 

 

1. Wtf is a single? seriously dude?

 

 

 

2. That is not a metaphor, even a similie...

 

 

 

3. The reason people say this is because it's true. Nothing is free, and Imo F2P has been incredibly lucky these past years with the implement of content such as the duel arena, FoG, GoP and much more.

 

 

 

I don't demand for more stuff for f2p, its you selfish snobs that demand for LESS stuff for f2p. See the contradiction? Demanding for less...hmm... :?

[langer]

Hehe yeah this debate is really interesting.

 

First off, I'll go back to mention that I never said the customer is always right, I said he is king. Meaning any company that wants to keep earning money has to sell out to what the customer wants. Sure they can screw them over under the table, but when the customer comes back complaining, you have to listen to him.

 

 

 

An example : you are a customer at Starbucks and you buy something that was not really fresh and go to complain, you'll probably be listened to right? Your opinion will matter to the manager.

 

Do you think the guy that found a sandwich in the trash bin in the back alley of a starbucks and goes in to complain will get the same listening time and compassion as the paying customer by the manager? I don't think so.

 

 

 

I said I have no idea what these 7% revenues numbers cover. For all I know, no ones on these boards do. What I mentionned is that these ads revenues are not 100% from F2P players. There are ads on the main page and various part of the main site. Saying it covers all the wages and the server costs is a real shot in the dark. Since no one here knows those costs, I suggest we don't bring back that subject since I could say that they are making a 75% gross margin from F2P and nobody could deny this without proof.

[Tim_Tam_Tan_Tien]

 

Do you have another single, I have heard the "pay like the rest of us" single WAY to much.

 

 

 

I can guarantee every time any body says f2p should get an update atleast 1 person will play this single (see how I kept the metaphor going?) called "pay like the rest of us".

 

 

 

 

1. Wtf is a single? seriously dude?

 

 

 

2. That is not a metaphor, even a similie...

 

 

 

3. The reason people say this is because it's true. Nothing is free, and Imo F2P has been incredibly lucky these past years with the implement of content such as the duel arena, FoG, GoP and much more.

 

 

 

I don't demand for more stuff for f2p, its you selfish snobs that demand for LESS stuff for f2p. See the contradiction? Demanding for less...hmm... :?

 

 

 

Demanding for less stuff? Im not demanding from anyone. All im saying is that F2P don't deserve to get new content because they don't pay, then when they DO get new content they whine and ask for more.

[langer]

Well well, Mr. cheap F2P whinner is back.

 

 

 

here goes:

 

 

 

I don't demand for more stuff for f2p, its you selfish snobs that demand for LESS stuff for f2p. See the contradiction? Demanding for less...hmm...

 

 

 

Show me one post where I said Jagex should remove stuff or give less updates... I said things are perfect as they are right now with the 1-2 updates a year. If you support this thread and the one with the F2P skill capes, you are demanding more. See the contradiction here?

 

 

 

Members don't see advertisements, so I honestly don't know what you're talking about when you say "all ads revenue are attributed to f2p is incorrect". Read the members' benefit list and you'll see that there's one point saying "no advertisements".

 

 

 

There are ads on the main website, so yes I do contribute to these advertisements revenues. Therefore, saying all ads revenues are provided by F2P is indeed incorrect.

 

 

So what's stopping Jagex from making this a patch/side update? It would affect members and f2p. This wouldn't take half a day to do, as I already said. Or even if this was one of the "annual 1-2 updates", many people would be happy. So stop being greedy and selfish.

 

 

 

Nothing is stopping them from implementing this except this not being a priority for their game. You already said this wouldn't take half a day, you must have experience in programming and project management because I have no idea how long that would take. I said it would dumb of Jagex to waste the annual 1-2 update on a feature like this. Stop whinning and start playing the real game where you can train prayer with the feature you ask for faster and better experience.

 

 

 

Would it affect you so much? If so, how?

 

If you can't answer this question reasonably, what's making you become so strongly against any form of f2p updates?

 

 

 

The point I'm making is that it would not benefit me at all. I don't pay Jagex so they can improve their trial game. I'll repeat this again, I'm not against the annual 1-2 updates F2P gets. I just think this bury-x feature is not needed and should not be a priority.

 

How many times do I need to repeat myself?

[Darkblade20]

In an absolute monarchy, from which king's are generally derived, the king is always right. Nothing changed with that comment. :shame:

[langer]

In an absolute monarchy, from which king's are generally derived, the king is always right. Nothing changed with that comment. :shame:

 

 

 

Well that's twisting it a little and taking my analogy at face figure and way off topic!

[quelmotz]

Well well, Mr. cheap F2P whinner is back.

 

 

 

here goes:

 

 

 

I don't demand for more stuff for f2p, its you selfish snobs that demand for LESS stuff for f2p. See the contradiction? Demanding for less...hmm...

 

 

 

Show me one post where I said Jagex should remove stuff or give less updates... I said things are perfect as they are right now with the 1-2 updates a year. If you support this thread and the one with the F2P skill capes, you are demanding more. See the contradiction here? You're saying they DO NOT deserve more updates. Which is the same in essence. I support this thread, but does it take half a day or so much time that it affects the quality of your precious updates? No. So stop being a selfish snob.

 

 

 

Members don't see advertisements, so I honestly don't know what you're talking about when you say "all ads revenue are attributed to f2p is incorrect". Read the members' benefit list and you'll see that there's one point saying "no advertisements".

 

 

 

There are ads on the main website, so yes I do contribute to these advertisements revenues. Therefore, saying all ads revenues are provided by F2P is indeed incorrect.

 

 

 

 

So what's stopping Jagex from making this a patch/side update? It would affect members and f2p. This wouldn't take half a day to do, as I already said. Or even if this was one of the "annual 1-2 updates", many people would be happy. So stop being greedy and selfish.

 

 

 

Nothing is stopping them from implementing this except this not being a priority for their game. You already said this wouldn't take half a day, you must have experience in programming and project management because I have no idea how long that would take. I said it would dumb of Jagex to waste the annual 1-2 update on a feature like this. Stop whinning and start playing the real game where you can train prayer with the feature you ask for faster and better experience. I don't know what you're talking about. Anyone with common sense would know that it wouldn't take that long to make a simple update like this. 1-2 annual updates? How did you get that? Small updates don't count in your so-called "1-2 updates". So why can't Jagex just give them some updates. It wouldn't take a long time nor would it affect your gameplay, so stop complaining.

 

 

 

Would it affect you so much? If so, how?

 

If you can't answer this question reasonably, what's making you become so strongly against any form of f2p updates?

 

 

 

The point I'm making is that it would not benefit me at all. I don't pay Jagex so they can improve their trial game. I'll repeat this again, I'm not against the annual 1-2 updates F2P gets. I just think this bury-x feature is not needed and should not be a priority.

 

How many times do I need to repeat myself? Who says so? It would benefit you. You mean you don't bury bones at all?

 

 

 

You think it isn't a priority, so stop trying to influence others with your opinion. I think its important for f2p to get this. You're not even an f2p player, so what right do you have to dictate what f2p should get? Go ahead and boycott the game; see if your measly $5 would matter so much compared to the other thousands of $5 Jagex is receiving. Most people don't even care how much f2p gets, as long as it is reasonable. And getting this bury-x option wouldn't matter much. Nor would giving f2p an small extra update.

[langer]

This is definitely not the same. I say the state of the game is perfectly fine this way : several members updates a year versus the 1-2 annual updates for F2P. What you are doing is asking for more, quit being such a cheap whinner and either upgrade to the full game or simply keep dreaming that Jagex will offert you a real complete game for free.

 

 

 

If you don't like your updates, you really have 2 choices: pay up or quit (not some whinny semi-retirement like you try to do, man up and make up your mind!). It's also funny to see a semi retired player being so passionate about a trial game.

 

 

 

You certainly don't know much about members because the only way an efficient player will bury bones is with brawlers and we certainly don't want a macro to do that for us when we are watching out for pkers. All other burying bones are not playing efficiently.

 

 

 

I won' t boycott this game, why would I? I don't dictate whaf F2P should get, I only give my opinion. I don't think it's important for RS in general to add this feature. I have every right to influence others with my opinion, why couldn't I? If this 5$ is so measly, why don't you pay it?

 

 

 

This feature wouldn not benefit RS, it would make life easier for F2P high levels, those who will never be members, those who fill the servers without contributing to the growth of the game in financial terms, the freeloaders. Don't have the arrogance to beg for more when you have a properly complete free trial game to have fun with.

[The_Fray]

I'll say this again, we have no need for bury-x because we have already worship-x at both houses altars and the ecto-thingy.

 

 

 

If you keep insisting that F2P is a full game on its own and have no link to P2P whatsoever, then keep this is mind: it's a free game with limited updates, what you propose is something so very few players have a use for (the crippled account players who wants to max out F2P), the majority of F2Pers would have a better use of updates to the combat triangle than anything else.

 

 

 

A free game should be rant-free.

 

Umm what? Anybody who is ftp will have a use for this update. I remember getting from 43-60 prayer took forever in f2p because burying bones was so slow. Why dont you go ahead and get 200k experience in prayer burying big bones and tell me that it was easy and you have the will to continue doing it. Clicking on every single bone, waiting for the animation to finish and then banking and withdrawing more is extremely tedious. A bury-X option would be wecolmed by f2p as an extremely useful update that makes the skill much more convienient to train.

[langer]

I'll say this again, we have no need for bury-x because we have already worship-x at both houses altars and the ecto-thingy.

 

 

 

If you keep insisting that F2P is a full game on its own and have no link to P2P whatsoever, then keep this is mind: it's a free game with limited updates, what you propose is something so very few players have a use for (the crippled account players who wants to max out F2P), the majority of F2Pers would have a better use of updates to the combat triangle than anything else.

 

 

 

A free game should be rant-free.

 

Umm what? Anybody who is ftp will have a use for this update. I remember getting from 43-60 prayer took forever in f2p because burying bones was so slow. Why dont you go ahead and get 200k experience in prayer burying big bones and tell me that it was easy and you have the will to continue doing it. Clicking on every single bone, waiting for the animation to finish and then banking and withdrawing more is extremely tedious. A bury-X option would be wecolmed by f2p as an extremely useful update that makes the skill much more convienient to train.

 

 

 

I agree with everything you said except I'm not stupid enough to train prayer the F2P way just to feel how it's slow. Seriously, once you've played the full game, you have no reason except the inability to pay to revert to the trial game.

[quelmotz]

I'll say this again, we have no need for bury-x because we have already worship-x at both houses altars and the ecto-thingy.

 

 

 

If you keep insisting that F2P is a full game on its own and have no link to P2P whatsoever, then keep this is mind: it's a free game with limited updates, what you propose is something so very few players have a use for (the crippled account players who wants to max out F2P), the majority of F2Pers would have a better use of updates to the combat triangle than anything else.

 

 

 

A free game should be rant-free.

 

Umm what? Anybody who is ftp will have a use for this update. I remember getting from 43-60 prayer took forever in f2p because burying bones was so slow. Why dont you go ahead and get 200k experience in prayer burying big bones and tell me that it was easy and you have the will to continue doing it. Clicking on every single bone, waiting for the animation to finish and then banking and withdrawing more is extremely tedious. A bury-X option would be wecolmed by f2p as an extremely useful update that makes the skill much more convienient to train.

 

 

 

I agree with everything you said except I'm not stupid enough to train prayer the F2P way just to feel how it's slow. Seriously, once you've played the full game, you have no reason except the inability to pay to revert to the trial game.

 

 

 

That's the point. You're commenting on something you've never tried.

 

 

 

How the [bleep] can you generalise and say something is not useful if you've never played f2p at all? (or played a bit only?)

 

 

 

Stop dictating that f2p shouldn't get this because its not useful/whatever. You might be able to stop f2p from getting updated, but you definitely don't have a right to tell Jagex HOW to update f2p should it be updated. So quit acting like the $5 you pay allows you to control the f2p game as well. It entitles you to more benefits, but not control over Jagex's updates.

[perfetc]

Probably enough to maintain the servers and thats it.

 

 

 

So as you can see f2p still brings in alot of money, compared to p2p it is nothing but atleast £70k is a fair bit of money.

 

That is 70K for every 1M, and you know they make more than 1M in just 1 month. But even so, say they make 1M a month. That is 70k per month, which is 840k a year. Almost a million a year from F2P alone using those numbers.

 

 

 

That graph was by the year, not by the month

 

 

 

Now, at the very end, I'm gonna light another fire by bringing up, yet again, that F2P is simply just not the full game. If you were to remove f2p, p2p could go on as usual, as was generously pointed out a couple posts ago. Any game expansion, if the full game is removed, you cannot play it. This is why I win

 

 

 

Why did you have ruin your post with this crap?

 

 

 

Members don't see advertisements, so I honestly don't know what you're talking about when you say "all ads revenue are attributed to f2p is incorrect". Read the members' benefit list and you'll see that there's one point saying "no advertisements".

 

 

 

Members would contrribute about 0.5% towaards the ads lol

 

 

 

 

Do you have another single, I have heard the "pay like the rest of us" single WAY to much.

 

 

 

I can guarantee every time any body says f2p should get an update atleast 1 person will play this single (see how I kept the metaphor going?) called "pay like the rest of us".

 

 

 

 

1. Wtf is a single? seriously dude?

 

 

 

2. That is not a metaphor, even a similie...

 

 

 

3. The reason people say this is because it's true. Nothing is free, and Imo F2P has been incredibly lucky these past years with the implement of content such as the duel arena, FoG, GoP and much more.

 

 

 

It is a metaphor! The single is an argument, it being played is you keep saying it.

 

 

 

Yes we get it they dont pay directly but by playing the game they are helping to run runescape, I have proven that!

 

 

 

The point I'm making is that it would not benefit me at all. I don't pay Jagex so they can improve their trial game. I'll repeat this again, I'm not against the annual 1-2 updates F2P gets. I just think this bury-x feature is not needed and should not be a priority.

 

How many times do I need to repeat myself?

 

 

 

It doesn't matter if it doesn't effect you, did duel arena going f2p effect you?

 

 

 

As I have said before jagex could always give f2p 5 or 6 updates this year, it is not for you or any body else but jagex to decide.

 

 

 

I agree with everything you said except I'm not stupid enough to train prayer the F2P way just to feel how it's slow. Seriously, once you've played the full game, you have no reason except the inability to pay to revert to the trial game.

 

 

 

Just when I thought you had relised this was wrong you say it again :shame:

 

 

 

No hope for some people.

[langer]

That's the point. You're commenting on something you've never tried.

 

 

 

How the [bleep] can you generalise and say something is not useful if you've never played f2p at all? (or played a bit only?)

 

 

 

Stop dictating that f2p shouldn't get this because its not useful/whatever. You might be able to stop f2p from getting updated, but you definitely don't have a right to tell Jagex HOW to update f2p should it be updated. So quit acting like the $5 you pay allows you to control the f2p game as well. It entitles you to more benefits, but not control over Jagex's updates.

 

 

 

I sure did play F2P 5 years ago, when it had less content than today.

 

It is a cripple game compared to P2P. I never said it would not be useful for F2P, I said it wasn't useful for RS. I never told Jagex how to run their game, you are really having delusions right now. I only commented of a player rant and suggestion.

 

 

 

Members would contrribute about 0.5% towaards the ads lol

 

 

 

made up numbers are not really a good argument.

 

It doesn't matter if it doesn't effect you, did duel arena going f2p effect you?

 

 

 

As I have said before jagex could always give f2p 5 or 6 updates this year, it is not for you or any body else but jagex to decide.

 

 

 

They could, I don't see why they would though. To please ungrateful players that do not pay?

 

 

 

Just when I thought you had relised this was wrong you say it again

 

 

 

No hope for some people.

 

 

 

Don't worry, the feeling is mutual.

[perfetc]

How long are those ads on your screen, I an click on members before they even appear.

 

 

 

Seriously ... WALL!

 

 

 

I KNOW THEY DO NOT PAY ... they contribute towards the game. No matter what you say from now on that reason is nullified cos if it wasn't for them there would be less money for updates, even if the money is only running the servers it means the members money isn't getting spent doing that.

 

 

 

Incase you didn't get the reason why I put "wall" there it is a saying that we have round here when some body is ignoring you or not listening to what you are saying, you say it is like talking to a wall but to shorten it down I just say wall. :

[langer]

I knew I was arguying with a child even before I saw you use the Wall meme. I never said the ads that members have to view contribute to a lot. I just said that you can't argue that the revenues from ads are a 100% contribution from F2Pers.

 

 

 

They contribute towards the game by having ads on the top of their screen... and that entitle them to a qurter of members update?

 

 

 

We currently have 2 updates a months. I saw some of you throw the 5-6 updates a year around. I could call that greed also.

[perfetc]

I knew I was arguying with a child even before I saw you use the Wall meme. I never said the ads that members have to view contribute to a lot. I just said that you can't argue that the revenues from ads are a 100% contribution from F2Pers.

 

 

 

They contribute towards the game by having ads on the top of their screen... and that entitle them to a qurter of members update?

 

 

 

We currently have 2 updates a months. I saw some of you throw the 5-6 updates a year around. I could call that greed also.

 

 

 

I don't know what a meme is it is just something I picked up from college (when I used to go I mean).

 

 

 

You are just nit picking with they don't contribute 100% of the ads. Jesus.

 

 

 

I don't know what game your playing but runescape isn't updated twice a month.

 

 

 

Memebers get atleast 1 update a week thats 51/52 updates a year, a quater of 51 is 12.75 so even with 10 updates a year they are still not even getting a quater of our updates and your pissed at the number 5 or 6!?!?!

 

 

 

Now your selfishness is really coming through, isn't it.

[Guest]

Okay I am going to point out several mistakes, by which I first have to point out I occasionally program stuff, just for the fun of it, and I do know something about programming.

 

 

 

First off I'd like to show how my "bury x or all" should work. It should be accessible by right clicking leaving the left click option still available for those who want to train it the other way. This reduces the amount of clicks from 28 to 2 (14 times less a click). It should be broken if you are under attack and it should stop if you click 1 or 2 times away, whichever Jagex feels would be the best option (you can either click away accidentally or really want to move). In this way the old gameplay will not be modified and it will be an addition to all players both f2p & p2p. I wouldn't mind if the automatically burying would be slower, since you can choose either option.

 

 

 

Okay now to the programming part of this. I bet these skills are programmed in a similar way and thus I expect that previously installed codes like "offer x" and the part where they cut all your gem stones etc. are already existent . So this means part of the coding is already done and can be copied and modified which may take less time than you know. However I am not going to make assumptions as to how long exactly it would take and how many people would be working on it. I think they got enough spare time ever since they removed the part where you could contact Jagex, and post reports are getting automated. (True that these people don't do the same job, and probably aren't inter exchangeable but still).

 

 

 

Then the next point, I am not sure where the graphics of the % where f2p-ers came from (please post a reference). I do hope they came from Jagex. With percentages it doesn't matter if they are on a monthly base, or a yearly base, since they will be both the same (7% of 100 per month is still the same as 7% of 1200 a year (a year has 12 months)).

 

Also if p2p-ers are pushed to also watching these adds I am going to have to make a gross estimation on the amount of p2p-ers and f2p-ers that play the game (still active)

 

 

 

I just saw there where roughly 88k players playing, and by addition of the amount of p2p-ers; 51259, so that means at this certain point p2p population is 58% of rs (I know I counted some p2p-ers playing in f2p as free, but they hardly do this and by such I can say an estimation from 50-60% is a good estimation for the amount of p2p-ers)

 

 

 

Also Jagex said there where more than 10 million accounts created, of which I am sure there are at least 2 million member accounts. This also includes noob accounts which usually stay f2p.

 

 

 

Okay now we have to get another value, the chance of a p2p-er watching an advertisement and the average time he does that (f2p watches an add 100% of the time) and yes this will be another estimation, but that is because I lack data to input. If adds revenue where totally given to f2p than this correction should be taken in place, if not then really 7% of Jagex incomes comes from adds in f2p. Okay so now to the adds. Adds are watched by p2p-ers when going to f2p worlds, watching tales about updates and several other pages on the Runescape site has got standard advertisement. However I find it very unlikely a p2p-er access the knowledge base, since - en general - they are the more experienced player and have no need for it. so I don;t thing I wold be off much if less than 0.0001% of that 7% was "generated" by p2p watching adds, since f2p watches adds CONTINUOUSLY, making the 7% of Jagex revenue from the f2p part still an adequate measurement.

 

 

 

Now let's say Jagex has 1 million full memberships in a year, No idea how many pounds or euro you have to pay right now for membership, but I can remember it was 5 euro or 5 pounds pr month, that makes 60 euro a year and thus an income of 60 million euro a year, making the gross revenue of f2p 4.2 million a year. I know this was not contributed by the players itself but for sure that it is enough to sustain server costs as well as minor updates.

 

 

 

Now to come clean with the p2p-ers I am nt saying f2p doesn't get enough updates I am just saying there are some hard needed updates to make it a better game. Let me list a few idea's of myself and others below;

 

 

 

F2p skillcapes (I am oppose to this myself, because skill capes makes new members, and we have no need for it)

 

Bury X feature (for which p2p already have an alternative, though implementing this feature could bring many benefits to f2p)

 

Nerving revenants as they are overpowered in F2p ( will help both p2p & f2p rune miners)

 

 

 

Another 2 suggestions I have made;

 

 

 

Creating random storage event boxes, even though p2p already have thee in their POH they could benefit from this feature when they would lose membership. It would provide up to 30 bank spaces on f2p, by which Jagex won't have to increase bank space in f2p in a very long time and thus reducing the costs. Coding for this is already available in the GE, so implementing this feature would not cost much time

 

 

 

When people lose their membership, all p2p items should go on a p2p "ghost tab" which should become inaccessible (or all f2p items should be moved to the oo part). Then they can not access their member items, but these items will not be counting for the # of items hold by your bank, and thus making it available for everyone who lost it's membership to play the f2p game normally until they pay again to unlock their p2p storage. This will be good for many players as they won't have to drop wares worth millions when (temporarily) returning to f2p.

 

 

 

By all these "suggestions" I hope I can make Runescape a happier place for everyone, and I think you should not be angry that some updates will be implemented that will not benefit you (but also will not hurt you). Some of these suggestions should be high in priority since it should not be Jagex focus to make RS an unhappy place right?

 

 

 

Also do not forget the vital role f2p might have in the entire economy, this is our real physical contribution and you can respect that.

[perfetc]

If you quote the graph/pie chart it shows it source as mechscape.

 

 

 

Members in pounds for me is £3.50.

 

 

 

I would say a whole lot more than 2 million accounts are members. I would say 4 million members, that would still leave over 6 million f2p and throw away accounts. (remember jagex said over 10 million accounts had been made)

[langer]

I knew I was arguying with a child even before I saw you use the Wall meme. I never said the ads that members have to view contribute to a lot. I just said that you can't argue that the revenues from ads are a 100% contribution from F2Pers.

 

 

 

They contribute towards the game by having ads on the top of their screen... and that entitle them to a qurter of members update?

 

 

 

We currently have 2 updates a months. I saw some of you throw the 5-6 updates a year around. I could call that greed also.

 

 

 

I don't know what a meme is it is just something I picked up from college (when I used to go I mean).

 

 

 

You are just nit picking with they don't contribute 100% of the ads. Jesus.

 

 

 

I don't know what game your playing but runescape isn't updated twice a month.

 

 

 

Memebers get atleast 1 update a week thats 51/52 updates a year, a quater of 51 is 12.75 so even with 10 updates a year they are still not even getting a quater of our updates and your pissed at the number 5 or 6!?!?!

 

 

 

Now your selfishness is really coming through, isn't it.

 

 

 

A meme is a childsih behavior someone picks up from the internet, that wall thing is a perfect example. I seriously doubt you ever had college education, unless you are acting like a kid on purpose.

 

 

 

51/52 updates a year?? are you serious? You either are clueless or you seriously can't keep up with updates lately. If you count adding servers, letters from the postbag and the players gallery as updates, then you really are not worth arguying against.

[Guest]

Langer I bet he took minor and major updates in account, minors can also be tweaks n such

[langer]

@ Mauriniaus

 

 

 

Excellent post I might say.

 

 

 

The suggestion for a storage box for ex members is actually an excellent idea. One I would support 100%.

 

 

 

As for the countless tweaks and such, since the beginning of the year, we usually get 2 updates per month. If you count a quest as an update and the dozen features in the patch notes as several updates then yeah, we are getting at least 100 updates a year. Then so are F2P for the same point of view.

 

 

 

As for the revenues from ads, I know that a great majority comes from F2Pers, I was just pointing out that you can't say it is 100%.

 

 

 

revenants are indeed way overpowered and the combat triangle is not balanced at all,

 

these should be corrected before a bury-x feature.

 

 

 

From my perspective, F2P is a training ground for P2P and a game for those who do not have the means and time to play the full game.

 

I would not be angry at all if Jagex started implementing F2P updates only, I'd be puzzled at first and probably would re consider my membership if the trend continued.

 

I love this game and who be pretty pissed off if the company making it started givinig too much attention to the players that don't pay to maintain it.