Also you might want to rethink those rust-bucket subs you used retech. If I remembered correctly I killed a million soldiers with barely ten ships...

Well I brought those submarines over on a single ship...so they had to be pretty bad. Besides, I did help wipe out someone's fleet, before killing Doom's unarmed transports heading to South Africa. They did what they had to. Besides, back on my home world, there are thousands and thousands of submarines all over the place. I think that's decent enough for protection, considering no one else is aquatic.

I suppose so. I've diversified (incase of emergency) by growing mushrooms and algae. Also, there is probaly lots of kelp in the tunnels as storage. Besides, my kelp has undergone massive genetic enhancement, to be specially disease resistant. I grow lots of different kinds of kelp (some from Earth), so that diseases don't kill them all at once. I'd say that I have over a 100 different varieties, decendant from 25 original varieties.

If you're assuming that there's just enough kelp to feed all the people, then 5% drop in kelp production would kill off... 25 billion people. (Lol)

 

Of course, there's always a surplus, since most of the population grows their own food. Alright, imagine your house (I hope it's one story, or else this probaly won't work). In the amount of land equal to the land your house is sitting on in a fertile part of the planet, you could probaly grow enough kelp such that you could support the people who live in the house. Of course, most people actually live "on" their cultivated land. It's sorta like a treehouse, except that there are like gas sacks to push the house up, while a sturdy kind of wood kelp (not capable of being eaten, but carved into tables and such) keeps in anchored.

Whenever I think of your people, I keep thinking of the sand people from Star Wars... Anywho.

 

 

I'm continuing development of orbital and earth to orbit defences.

Haha, you biological lifeforms and your food issues. It amuses me.

Haha, you biological lifeforms and your food issues. It amuses me.

Haha, you machanical lifeforms and your limitations.

 

Tusken or Java?

I take offense to that. We have less limitations than real people <_<

When could a single piece of machinery traverse both sand, snow, water, ice and mountains without being modified? When could a machine heal cut wires and broken motors without doing anything? When could a machine survive in powerful, fluctuating EMFs? When could machines be prototyped without organic being creating them?

Retech we already worked out that, even going full tilt, your planets are not all self-sustaining.

Everyone has such friggin ridiculous populations. On Earth I have like a few billion people, and I control 3 full continents (minus a few small areas).

 

In my other planets I have maybe 10 billion in total. Regardless of how strong empires are, all my people have a far better life than any planet with 10s of 100s of billions of people.

Kelp is superior to other crops by a factor of ten or more, not to mention there's more space to grow that kelp in the sea. If the planet (Earth) can support six billion people, then assuming that my planets are the same size as Earth, my population sustaining planets should support thirty billion each. Now we factor in the fact that their radii are twice as large as Earth in most cases, the surface area is four times as large, so that's up to 120 billion. Then we note that the sea is so much larger than the land in surface area by at least two leads us to 240 billion. Then we note the the volume of the sea, though I'm not going to factor that in much. So then we come to the fact that normal kelp is far more nutritious than normal wheat, so with genetic enhancements and fertilizer, then the kelp I grow is at least four times better than normal wheat, when compared for calories per day. This leads me to conclude that my population is easily sustained by current resources.

 

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Well my females enjoy American-like excess. My males work in the Iridium mines and kelp fields all day. Iridium mines are fun. Lava is flying all over the place and people fall in and get incinerated. :thumbsup:

Hey I have a relatively small population... granted I have to really encourage industry as the government farms have driven down the price of plant based food in my empire to tiny amounts. But then again I also have 4-5 mining colonies to send the unemployed to....

Problem is that fetrilizer takes a ton of resources to create, and there aren't enough nutrients probably to support all that kelp.

When could a single piece of machinery traverse both sand, snow, water, ice and mountains without being modified? When could a machine heal cut wires and broken motors without doing anything? When could a machine survive in powerful, fluctuating EMFs? When could machines be prototyped without organic being creating them?

When could humans traverse those terrains without difficulty or modification in the way of clothing? When could a human not die from micro-organisms? When could a human survive in a toxic environment?

 

As for the last one, since I invented the first Mechos.

 

Also, I have a 1.5 trillion population. Yeah.

Most stay in stasis for a large amount of the time, to deal with space issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1OH7gBu55g&NR=1

 

Tests prove that the Magnate III is excellent for dropping supplies to troops.

 

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Everyone has such friggin ridiculous populations. On Earth I have like a few billion people, and I control 3 full continents (minus a few small areas).

 

In my other planets I have maybe 10 billion in total. Regardless of how strong empires are, all my people have a far better life than any planet with 10s of 100s of billions of people.

 

I think I only have about a 7 billion population, and I'm spread out across several planets.

I didn't mean Fertilizer. I meant "Fertilizer," like manure. Besides, if done sustainably, which it is, all nutrients are returned to the enviroment. Think in the box of kelp, stop thinking about the problems of today's agriculture! That's the fault of the land. :)

Retech you would still need some type of nutrients from which the kelp would grow... I myself have used dead bodies for quite some time (and you wondered were those 500 million dead bodies went... [kidding of course]).

Manure?

Where would you get that much manure?

I'd say my population is aproximately 12 billion, 3 or so on earth, then 8 or so in various Tefarn planets, 1 billion in Centauri, and then about 300 million people living in floating superstructures.

Hmmm....well there are five hundred billion people who have to go to the bathroom in specially created suction toilets, which pool the waste into a facility, which packages them into trucks for use in the farms. Of course the farmers smell like poop all the time, but that's a small loss.

Not all nutrients go into crap. In fact most of them stay in the body and are converted into energy of some source.

Crop rotation?

Yeah also another question is how high is your unemployment (we cannot support 500 billion people on one standard of living or even 50 billion for that matter).