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[Hedgehog]

WRONG. We don't have any tea. The deal with Penguingeek never worked.

 

You can't walk on the frozen rivers, you would easily fall through and then drown/hypothermia.

 

Assuming you trained your troops at the top of Mt. Fuji, the only spot in Japan that gets even close to the temperatures in Ivalo, your troops would need to be using air tanks to breathe. You would spend a bunch of money. The site I looked at sells 125 breathes of oxygen for around $50. According to WikiAnswers, you breath 17,280 times a day. Assuming you only take a breath every minute to conserve oxygen, you would take 1440 breaths a day. That's worth about $576 day per person. If you train 400,000 men, that's $230 million dollars a day. You can't afford that.

 

 

 

So the only reasonable way to train them would be at much lower elevations, where oxygen tanks are not necessary. At that point, your soldiers would be really under trained for the climate.

 

 

 

Even if they were used to the climate, they can still get cold related injuries.

 

 

 

You can go ahead and put troops in submarines and try to get them by my coastal protection in the arctic ocean. Even if you got by my subs, you'd have to send troops through Norway to get to Finland, then through 250 kilometers (no idea how many miles) to Ivalo in freezing temperatures.

 

 

 

So 80,000 troops in submarines. Lets say you get 40,000 onto land. I'm not sure how many vehicles you can fit on a submarine, but I will assume you have enough to outfit 75% of your troops. The 25% that aren't in a vehicle would likely be dead with in a single day. So the leaves you with 30,000 troops. Then it will be around 4 hours to get your troops to Ivalo. That's plenty of time for my planes in Rovaniemi to come and harass your troops before they even reach my troops in Ivalo. So you would have around 27500 soldiers in Ivalo, not hard to defeat, especially since I'm defending.

 

 

 

I know this is a fake war. Your methods still fail. Why would you even attack a small city in northern Finland? Makes no sense.

 

 

 

EDIT: Dungeonal, please continue your assault, I want to test out my military.

 

 

 

 

 

Eh, just take some cargo boats and send them on a long route through the southern atlantic. My ships won't shoot at them if they don't attack me.

 

 

 

Wonderful!

 

 

 

300,000 troops, with 280,000 still fit to fight running rampage in Northern Finland because Hedgehog failed to post a counter. He just assumed my troops were ill prepared. Sigh.

 

 

 

plsrewrite your post :/

 

 

 

I see what you're saying about Mount Fuji - but I don't have to train them all at once. And all the same, extreme cold can be simulated.

 

 

 

So let's say that during the march to Ivalo another 15,000 troops were incapacitated [via cold] and 5,000 were picked off by your patrol parties. Seeing as you admitted you weren't defending Ivalo, we've been able to commandeer the city so our troops clothes and food have been replenished. We're fortifying the city as we await your counter attack.

 

You can't even get that many troops into Findenland. Its impossible. The most you could get into Finland is only around 100,000. And where did I say I wasn't defending Ivalo? I have 5 military bases within 100 miles of Ivalo. Why wouldn't I defend it? It would just be hard for you to get people there. Lets say you get 80,000 men to Ivalo. My 50,000 men there have taken up a defensive stance in Ivalo. You won't take the city, especially with your freezing cold soldiers that don't live in heated rooms. My soldiers are inside buildings, with hot water and heat. They can last a lot longer than you can.

 

 

 

And show me, where did I say I wasn't defending Ivalo, all I said on the matter was that you wouldn't have enough troops to attack, because I would outnumber you 2 or 3 to 1, with a defensive position. I've had troops there well before you even touched Finnish ice.

 

 

 

The Baltic sea has also been blocked of between Denmark and Sweden, only approved ships are allowed in. Germania can go through, so as not to anger him. But you can't approach me by sea. Around 70% of my Baltic fleet is now at the opening, ready to sink any Japanese ships attempting to enter. In case enough enemy troops get by, Stockholm, Helsinki, Tallinn, Riga, and Terku are keeping an eye out.

 

 

 

I'll post a pic of my Baltic defense in a minute or so.

 

 

The red are submarine patrol areas, the black is the patrol areas for my ships. If a contraband ship enters, it will quickly be sunk by my subs. More defenses are also by the Atlantic border of Sweden, so any forced entry will face heavy losses, due to my navy and my ground forces near the ocean.

 

I won't let you bring any soldiers into the Baltic Sea. All ships will be searched. Germanian ships will be allowed access, but still will be searched.

[Nero]

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The Baltic sea has also been blocked of between Denmark and Sweden, only approved ships are allowed in. Germania can go through, so as not to anger him. But you can't approach me by sea. Around 70% of my Baltic fleet is now at the opening, ready to sink any Japanese ships attempting to enter. In case enough enemy troops get by, Stockholm, Helsinki, Tallinn, Riga, and Terku are keeping an eye out.

 

 

 

I'll post a pic of my Baltic defense in a minute or so.

 

 

The red are submarine patrol areas, the black is the patrol areas for my ships. If a contraband ship enters, it will quickly be sunk by my subs. More defenses are also by the Atlantic border of Sweden, so any forced entry will face heavy losses, due to my navy and my ground forces near the ocean.

 

I won't let you bring any soldiers into the Baltic Sea. All ships will be searched. Germanian ships will be allowed access, but still will be searched.

[/hide]

 

You best re-do that map so that there aren't sub patrols in my waters.

[Hedgehog]

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The Baltic sea has also been blocked of between Denmark and Sweden, only approved ships are allowed in. Germania can go through, so as not to anger him. But you can't approach me by sea. Around 70% of my Baltic fleet is now at the opening, ready to sink any Japanese ships attempting to enter. In case enough enemy troops get by, Stockholm, Helsinki, Tallinn, Riga, and Terku are keeping an eye out.

 

 

 

I'll post a pic of my Baltic defense in a minute or so.

 

 

The red are submarine patrol areas, the black is the patrol areas for my ships. If a contraband ship enters, it will quickly be sunk by my subs. More defenses are also by the Atlantic border of Sweden, so any forced entry will face heavy losses, due to my navy and my ground forces near the ocean.

 

I won't let you bring any soldiers into the Baltic Sea. All ships will be searched. Germanian ships will be allowed access, but still will be searched.

[/hide]

 

You best re-do that map so that there aren't sub patrols in my waters.

 

My subs have orders only to take down Japan's ships. Your ships can go through for free, with only a quick search to make sure you aren't smuggling soldiers in. Don't get angry over this, its only defensive. If Japan is smart he'll call of his ships from trying to enter through the Baltic Sea.

[a_bert]

You can't even get that many troops into Findenland. Its impossible. The most you could get into Finland is only around 100,000.

 

 

 

Why is it "only" 100,000? I don't understand. Also, naval battles are incredibly "resultless" (can't think of the term) - most of the time only one or two ships are sunk, so if my fleet kept going full pelt towards it's drop point, we'd lose at most one cargo ship, I think.

 

 

 

And where did I say I wasn't defending Ivalo? I have 5 military bases within 100 miles of Ivalo. Why wouldn't I defend it?

 

 

 

I misread what you said, Sorry

 

 

 

It would just be hard for you to get people there. Lets say you get 80,000 men to Ivalo. My 50,000 men there have taken up a defensive stance in Ivalo. You won't take the city, especially with your freezing cold soldiers that don't live in heated rooms. My soldiers are inside buildings, with hot water and heat. They can last a lot longer than you can.

 

 

 

I see.

 

 

 

I don't like how you get to govern how many troops I've got in Finland.

[Nero]

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The Baltic sea has also been blocked of between Denmark and Sweden, only approved ships are allowed in. Germania can go through, so as not to anger him. But you can't approach me by sea. Around 70% of my Baltic fleet is now at the opening, ready to sink any Japanese ships attempting to enter. In case enough enemy troops get by, Stockholm, Helsinki, Tallinn, Riga, and Terku are keeping an eye out.

 

 

 

I'll post a pic of my Baltic defense in a minute or so.

 

 

The red are submarine patrol areas, the black is the patrol areas for my ships. If a contraband ship enters, it will quickly be sunk by my subs. More defenses are also by the Atlantic border of Sweden, so any forced entry will face heavy losses, due to my navy and my ground forces near the ocean.

 

I won't let you bring any soldiers into the Baltic Sea. All ships will be searched. Germanian ships will be allowed access, but still will be searched.

[/hide]

 

You best re-do that map so that there aren't sub patrols in my waters.

 

My subs have orders only to take down Japan's ships. Your ships can go through for free, with only a quick search to make sure you aren't smuggling soldiers in. Don't get angry over this, its only defensive. If Japan is smart he'll call of his ships from trying to enter through the Baltic Sea.

 

 

 

I doubt that, considering Germania's and Findenland's past history, my navy commanders would allow you on board my ships. I won't "sneak" troops in as it's pretty much impossible to sneak more then a handful of troops into another country, so you don't need to search my ships.

 

It looks like you two need a war judge.

[a_bert]

@ War Judge comment;

 

 

 

Let's just start from the beginning, this is a mess.

 

 

 

I have a fleet of 6 cruisers, 12 destroyers, 12 cargo ships, 1 aircraft carrier and 4 attack submarines. As he doesn't know where my fleet is perse, he can't field his "entire" navy to attack me, so it's likely that my fleet will be larger than whatever patrol finds me - if he stays still and groups up before engaging me, then it's more likely my fleet will be able to take up a defensive position around a Finnish port while our ground forces launch an assault; so another roll of the dice will be needed.

 

 

 

I think that during war, only the war judge can render "effects" on the players armies. It's unrealistic if the opponent can say "Oh, and disease is spreading through your army". I think some people already do (or don't, depending on how you look at it) this but it needs to be made clear.

[Hedgehog]

You can't even get that many troops into Findenland. Its impossible. The most you could get into Finland is only around 100,000.

 

 

 

Why is it "only" 100,000? I don't understand. Also, naval battles are incredibly "resultless" (can't think of the term) - most of the time only one or two ships are sunk, so if my fleet kept going full pelt towards it's drop point, we'd lose at most one cargo ship, I think.

 

 

 

And where did I say I wasn't defending Ivalo? I have 5 military bases within 100 miles of Ivalo. Why wouldn't I defend it?

 

 

 

I misread what you said, Sorry

 

 

 

It would just be hard for you to get people there. Lets say you get 80,000 men to Ivalo. My 50,000 men there have taken up a defensive stance in Ivalo. You won't take the city, especially with your freezing cold soldiers that don't live in heated rooms. My soldiers are inside buildings, with hot water and heat. They can last a lot longer than you can.

 

 

 

I see.

 

 

 

I don't like how you get to govern how many troops I've got in Finland.

 

Considering your resources, there's no way you're going to get 300,000 troops 100 something miles inland in extremely cold conditions. I don't know how many people/equipment your subs can hold, but you certainly don't have enough to get 300,000 into them. It is possible to get 80,000 men into the arctic ocean, but you wouldn't have enough equipment for them. That's where I got 100,000. That's rounding up.

 

Around 90% of my navy is situated in the Baltic sea, so if 70% is at the entrance to it then 63% of my navy is there to prevent you from entering. You will likely lose more than 1 ship just getting into the Baltic Sea. I don't know how many men your ships can hold, but you will likely only get 60% or so through my first line of defense. Any ships that make it through will be harassed by my air force and will be met by my ground forces when they reach land.

 

 

 

Dusty, I don't want to bring you into this. I just only want to make sure you aren't secretly helping Japan.

 

 

 

I have 5 coastal defence ships, 9 submarines, 8 gunboats, 14 motor torpedo boats, 3 destroyers 5 minelayers, 14 minesweepers, and 1 aircraft carrier.

 

I got these numbers from a list from 1939 for just Finland, so I spiced them up a bit to account for over 100 years of growth and the addition of other navies.

[The Dark Lord]

During my absence over the past few days (real life), we have produced another 200,000 Lancelots.

 

 

 

We have started the production of new naval vessels.

[Seraphi]

You two really need a war judge.

 

 

 

 

 

I need Grim to be back so I can finish my war :(

 

 

 

 

 

Non hallucination:

 

 

 

Rhadamanthus II is now completed, and in orbit above the earth.

 

I'm on that ship personally, and it shall be my flagship :

[Nero]

I meant that with how the subs power down, I guess I just forgot to say it. All that seems fair, I'll keep trying to get convoys to Portugal, but since you control all that area it will be hard.

 

Yea, I'm just going to keep harassing the Portuguese line, air force keep targeting supplies, idk what's a realistic time line for them to hold out for, another 2 or 3 years?

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough. Tanzania is pretty new to our empire, so they wouldn't be up in arms patriotic. I don't think they would actually fight against us though, maybe just not fight against you. We'll say that the public support against you is negligible.

 

Better then nothing :P

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't really do anything to stop those because it would spread my navy too thin, and I didn't see a way to do it.

 

I guess defending prince edward Island with what I have there isn't going to be too effective, so my soldiers are ordered to retreat, laying traps if possible. I'll also start evacuating Quebecois to safety in the US.

 

Alright, I take the island, but suffer around 2500 casualties due to defenders and booby traps laid all around the island.

 

 

 

I assume you mean Brazil owned territory (quebec in this case), not Brazil itself.

 

Since we've been catching a lot of troops trying to sneak through our lines, we're upping our searches for any that got through, using dogs, though I don't expect to be too successful. We're still just working on fortifying the perimeter around your beachhead, and not doing any counter-attacks just yet.

 

Yeah, sorry about that. Typing "Brazil" every few sentences means you're bound to insert it somewhere it shouldn't be haha. My troops in Quebec are digging in, as I doubt there will be reinforcements coming for some time, so they're hoping to hold for as long as possible. Around 700 Germanian troops have managed to sneak past your lines.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think I had more than a few hundred thousand in Norway, and not all of them went, so I'll say it was an attack of 50,000. We're holding the beachhead, and not trying to push forward. We hope to hold there as long as we can, until something can support them.

 

Alright, my 250,000 troops have arrived, and are staging huge attacks against Brazil's beachhead positions, hoping to force their retreat. The naval lines have been left open to transport ships, so as to give the Brazil forces a way out, but any other ships are shot at mercilessly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Extra troops have been moved in from our southern African colonies, and are waiting behind the lines for an opportune moment. We're upping the amount of guards for convoys, and giving them helicopter support where we can. I don't expect this to stop all of the attacks, but I hope to increase the number of successful convoys, if nothing else.

 

Good move. I don't think my troops in Tanzania have many (if any) anti-air weapons. My troops have been given orders not to engage convoys with helicopters as escorts, but have re-doubled efforts to hit convoys. They're taking heavy losses from the increased guards, but are maintaining consistent in the number of attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

Defenses in south america and central america are strong, and our blockade along the atlantic should prevent most sneak attacks.

 

:(

 

 

 

Non hallucination:

 

Border fortification project coming along nicely, Germania has completed its battlestation as well as its two giant ship magnets, and construction has begun on another colony ship able to hold 75,000 people.

[The Dark Lord]

I thought Prince Edward Island was part of Britannian Canada?

[a_bert]

Someone judge our comparative naval fleets and deign how many (if any) of my troops got to a Finnish port (and deign which one, if you would)

[paul191600]

Actual update: Bulgaria is on the verge of a breakthrough with its second largest project. Expect a release next year. Other research and testing goes as always.

[Hedgehog]

Dungeonal: I don't need to know where your navy is. My navy is waiting for your navy at the entrance to the Baltic Sea and at the Atlantic coast of Sweden. If you want to bring troops into Findenland, this is the best way to go. The only other options are to go through Russia, Germania, or Norway (the latter two would be bad, as wars are going on in both) or to go through Lapland, which completely failed. I think I would have the upper hand if you tried to enter the sea.

[Nero]

I thought Prince Edward Island was part of Britannian Canada?

 

 

 

Oh yeah. Hm. Alright, we'll just ignore that *hum de dum*.

 

Dungeonal: I don't need to know where your navy is. My navy is waiting for your navy at the entrance to the Baltic Sea and at the Atlantic coast of Sweden. If you want to bring troops into Findenland, this is the best way to go. The only other options are to go through Russia, Germania, or Norway (the latter two would be bad, as wars are going on in both) or to go through Lapland, which completely failed. I think I would have the upper hand if you tried to enter the sea.

 

No war in Norway or Russia actually.

[The Dark Lord]

I thought Prince Edward Island was part of Britannian Canada?

 

 

 

Oh yeah. Hm. Alright, we'll just ignore that *hum de dum*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

:P

[Hedgehog]

I thought Prince Edward Island was part of Britannian Canada?

 

 

 

Oh yeah. Hm. Alright, we'll just ignore that *hum de dum*.

 

Dungeonal: I don't need to know where your navy is. My navy is waiting for your navy at the entrance to the Baltic Sea and at the Atlantic coast of Sweden. If you want to bring troops into Findenland, this is the best way to go. The only other options are to go through Russia, Germania, or Norway (the latter two would be bad, as wars are going on in both) or to go through Lapland, which completely failed. I think I would have the upper hand if you tried to enter the sea.

 

No war in Norway or Russia actually.

 

I thought Brazil was using its troops in Norway to attack you. And I just said that you and Norway were having a war.

[Nero]

I thought Prince Edward Island was part of Britannian Canada?

 

 

 

Oh yeah. Hm. Alright, we'll just ignore that *hum de dum*.

 

Dungeonal: I don't need to know where your navy is. My navy is waiting for your navy at the entrance to the Baltic Sea and at the Atlantic coast of Sweden. If you want to bring troops into Findenland, this is the best way to go. The only other options are to go through Russia, Germania, or Norway (the latter two would be bad, as wars are going on in both) or to go through Lapland, which completely failed. I think I would have the upper hand if you tried to enter the sea.

 

No war in Norway or Russia actually.

 

I thought Brazil was using its troops in Norway to attack you. And I just said that you and Norway were having a war.

 

 

 

There's a battle going on in Denmark atm, yeah. But not in Norway.

[Hedgehog]

I thought Prince Edward Island was part of Britannian Canada?

 

 

 

Oh yeah. Hm. Alright, we'll just ignore that *hum de dum*.

 

Dungeonal: I don't need to know where your navy is. My navy is waiting for your navy at the entrance to the Baltic Sea and at the Atlantic coast of Sweden. If you want to bring troops into Findenland, this is the best way to go. The only other options are to go through Russia, Germania, or Norway (the latter two would be bad, as wars are going on in both) or to go through Lapland, which completely failed. I think I would have the upper hand if you tried to enter the sea.

 

No war in Norway or Russia actually.

 

I thought Brazil was using its troops in Norway to attack you. And I just said that you and Norway were having a war.

 

 

 

There's a battle going on in Denmark atm, yeah. But not in Norway.

 

Ok, but it will still be hard to get through Norway.

[The Dark Lord]

I wonder how well the NWO or the Eurasian Alliance would do against one or two major superpowers in a simulated war.

[a_bert]

Dungeonal: I don't need to know where your navy is. My navy is waiting for your navy at the entrance to the Baltic Sea and at the Atlantic coast of Sweden. If you want to bring troops into Findenland, this is the best way to go. The only other options are to go through Russia, Germania, or Norway (the latter two would be bad, as wars are going on in both) or to go through Lapland, which completely failed. I think I would have the upper hand if you tried to enter the sea.

 

 

 

Yes you do; the sea is big; you don't know which port I'm going to land at [Hence why it should be rolled?]

 

 

 

SOMEONE JUDGE. PLS.

[The Dark Lord]

Dungeonal: I don't need to know where your navy is. My navy is waiting for your navy at the entrance to the Baltic Sea and at the Atlantic coast of Sweden. If you want to bring troops into Findenland, this is the best way to go. The only other options are to go through Russia, Germania, or Norway (the latter two would be bad, as wars are going on in both) or to go through Lapland, which completely failed. I think I would have the upper hand if you tried to enter the sea.

 

 

 

Yes you do; the sea is big; you don't know which port I'm going to land at [Hence why it should be rolled?]

 

 

 

SOMEONE JUDGE. PLS.

 

 

 

I guess I can judge.

[a_bert]

Then... do it?

[The Dark Lord]

Assuming that they are trying to blockade their ports, their navy would be spread thin. Assuming that Japan is using a concentrated attack, they should probably be able to break through, invading Findenland.

 

 

 

Is that good?

[a_bert]

Assuming that they are trying to blockade their ports, their navy would be spread thin. Assuming that Japan is using a concentrated attack, they should probably be able to break through, invading Findenland.

 

 

 

Is that good?

 

 

 

Pretty much; though I suspect he'd argue that his fleet is all over the baltic. Which, ironically, may actually be detrimental.

 

 

 

wait was that your judgment?.. there are no numbers in there :P