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[RpgGamer]

I already forgot what my new country is called :oops:.

 

Stupid Africa.

 

Whatever it is (did it start with an 'm'? I should probly just look back 10 pages and find out) I'm improving it by updating it to the standards of the rest of the Luxembourg nation. Which has joined the New World Order via PM. I'm unsure as to what taht entales, but to hell with consequences.

 

 

 

Slow production on the first TerrAvenger continues.

 

 

 

This is costing me crap loads of money. :ohnoes:

 

Good thing I'm so good at producing in bulk for other countries

[The Dark Lord]

I already forgot what my new country is called :oops:.

 

Stupid Africa.

 

Whatever it is (did it start with an 'm'? I should probly just look back 10 pages and find out) I'm improving it by updating it to the standards of the rest of the Luxembourg nation. Which has joined the New World Order via PM. I'm unsure as to what taht entales, but to hell with consequences.

 

 

 

Slow production on the first TerrAvenger continues.

 

 

 

This is costing me crap loads of money. :ohnoes:

 

Good thing I'm so good at producing in bulk for other countries

 

 

 

Malawi.

[Wisp]

Can I just ask what this whole NWO thing actually is? And are we done with the hallucination? Because from that I think we can successfully say that Germania and I would be at a stalemate, basically, though he would have a bit of advantage in Africa and Europe, since that's his central area, and he would have more forces, but in the Americas I probably would have pushed him back eventually. We also learned that the only problem with the new system is that with a ton of wars going on at once that there aren't enough judges. But since I usually won't be concentrating on fighting my own war, I can judge pretty much everything.

 

 

 

So if the hallucination is over, both ships are completed, and are going to be sent away from earth. Their mission will be complete in approximately 7 years, and they will maybe return in another 5 or 6 after that.

 

The basic design is almost down for a new HISF plane, flight tests and further development will take a while though.

 

Even though we have one of the most advance targeting systems, we are working on improving even further with new computer capabilities that we didn't have a few years back.

 

 

 

Our global shield system is now completed, and in the process of being put into space. It consists of a few dozen satellites, and a larger hub station. These will orbit mostly over Africa and the Americas, but if we need we can move it so it covers the entire earth, though it wouldn't have a 100% rate of success when it's that spread out.

 

 

 

We're working on designing harvester ships. These will harvest gasses from the Gas Giants in our system. This should make some chemicals less pricey, and make it so we have more fuel for our ship's reactors.

 

 

 

The metro system connecting underground habitats in the US, and are making it connect to any new Habitats as well. We're also building several habitats for the sole purpose of food production, in order to make the underground system completely self sustaining.

[The Dark Lord]

Can I just ask what this whole NWO thing actually is? And are we done with the hallucination? Because from that I think we can successfully say that Germania and I would be at a stalemate, basically, though he would have a bit of advantage in Africa and Europe, since that's his central area, and he would have more forces, but in the Americas I probably would have pushed him back eventually. We also learned that the only problem with the new system is that with a ton of wars going on at once that there aren't enough judges. But since I usually won't be concentrating on fighting my own war, I can judge pretty much everything.

 

 

 

So if the hallucination is over, both ships are completed, and are going to be sent away from earth. Their mission will be complete in approximately 7 years, and they will maybe return in another 5 or 6 after that.

 

The basic design is almost down for a new HISF plane, flight tests and further development will take a while though.

 

Even though we have one of the most advance targeting systems, we are working on improving even further with new computer capabilities that we didn't have a few years back.

 

 

 

Our global shield system is now completed, and in the process of being put into space. It consists of a few dozen satellites, and a larger hub station. These will orbit mostly over Africa and the Americas, but if we need we can move it so it covers the entire earth, though it wouldn't have a 100% rate of success when it's that spread out.

 

 

 

We're working on designing harvester ships. These will harvest gasses from the Gas Giants in our system. This should make some chemicals less pricey, and make it so we have more fuel for our ship's reactors.

 

 

 

The metro system connecting underground habitats in the US, and are making it connect to any new Habitats as well. We're also building several habitats for the sole purpose of food production, in order to make the underground system completely self sustaining.

 

 

 

The NWO, or the New World Order, is an organisation created for the sole purpose of world peace. Some of its perks include joint-research and a General Fund for countries in need.

 

 

 

By the way, Doom. I am spending 8bn per destroyer (including railguns and all that 2050 tech), how long will it take to produce 100 of them? I'm also planning on building frigates and aircraft carriers. How much will the other ships take to produce, and how long?

 

 

 

Also, how much do modern fighter jets cost around the time period we're playing in? I'm looking for high-quality, but I also want to be able to mass-produce them.

[Wisp]

I'd say like 6 months to a year per destroyer. So if you have only 1 naval production place it'll take a while to build up a fleet. But, it's not like you can have hundreds of destroyers. 100 is a bit excessive, but if you really want to do that it depends how many production places you have.

 

Same time period for frigates, and maybe atleast a year or two per aircraft carrier.

 

 

 

And for a modern plane, if you mean just sort of take a 09 plane, add upgraded missiles, armor, etc. I'd say it would be the same price or a bit more as a raptor or whatever in real life, and you'd have to look up how long it takes to build a single plane. If you want a super-plane like I have, and latino has, you'd need to research for a while. I still think the fact that latino managed to make a plane that can fly at mach 15, has the armament of a ac-130 plus some, and only costs 200 million, and was developed in 4 years is incredibly stupid.

 

For a more realistic super-plane, I have HISF (Hypersonic intercontinental strike fighter) which pretty much function as a better aimed, more difficult to destroy icbm. They cost a few billion each and need to be repaired for a few days after each high speed flight.

[Furah]

Tbh, NWO would have trolled however many Christians there are at once. The name alone would have made them shat their pants as one.

[a_bert]

Yes, penguin, open borders is fine

 

 

 

No map :(

 

 

 

/sigh

 

 

 

I'll go trawl.

 

 

 

SUCCESS! I think I found the latest map, will update it

 

 

 

[hide=map][/hide]

 

 

 

Dusty said he hadn't included Armenia and Azerbaijan under Russia's control but I checked them against maps I found and I'm sure it's shown they're Russian states.

 

Added India

 

Added Nepal (I think it's to the right person :P)

 

Changed Malawi to Lux [i don't know if the border is all that correct though..]

 

 

 

Statistics about the Indian military [2005]

 

Army:

 

Total armed forces - 2,414,700

 

Active troops - 1,414,000

 

Total troops - 3,773,300

 

Paramilitary - 1,089,700

 

Conscription age - 18 years of age

 

Availability - 290 million

 

Fit for military service - 220 million

 

 

 

Navy:

 

It currently has approximately 55,000 personnel on active duty, including 5,000 members of the naval aviation branch and 2,000 marine commandos

 

 

 

Present Fleet (156 in Service)

 

 

 

inc. 1 aircraft carrier, 8 destroyers, 12 frigates, 16 submarines (I think diesel), 22 troop transports

 

 

 

Planned ships and submarines (Total 73)

 

 

 

inc. 2 aircraft carriers, 4 destroyers, 7 frigates, 16 corvettes, 12 nuclear submarines, 17 troop ships

 

 

 

Air force:

 

Size 170,000 personnel

 

1,700 aircraft (including 852 combat aircraft)

 

 

 

Among the various expansion plans is the MRCA program under which the IAF plans to induct 126 fighter jets at a cost of US$12 billion.

 

 

 

As of 2008, the Indian Air Force plans to induct 126 multi-role combat aircraft (with an option for an additional 74 aircraft), 230 Su-30MKI air superiority fighters (Ordered at cost of US$8.4 billion, 120 are already in service with the IAF), 220 HAL Tejas, 47 Jaguar combat aircraft.

 

 

 

Here's what I thought I'd do;

 

 

 

I'd take the armed forces from 2005, except to increase the size of the army from 3,773,300 to 4 million, with 1.8 million active troops.

 

I'd take the "planned" ships and submarines, add an extra 1 onto each class that I referenced - i.e.

 

3 aircraft carriers, 5 destroyers, 8 frigates, 17 corvettes and 13 nuclear submarines, 18 troop ships

 

For the air force, I'll just go ahead and use that latest quote as my figures.

 

 

 

Is that okay?

[Seraphi]

Wheres that page with predicted GPDs and population of countries?

 

I think its about time I calculated mine.

 

 

 

(Of course, if some kind soul were to do it for me.....*Cough*)

 

 

 

Lets see, my military:

 

16,560,500 Icarus drones

 

37,000 reaper drones

 

350 Atlas drones ( Still being tested)

 

4900 SFere drop pods

 

 

 

I think thats realistic enough.

 

 

 

Oh, and Navy.

 

11 Battleship type vessels, with latest tech and such.

 

14 frigates

 

12 submarines

 

3 aircraft carriers

 

 

 

EDIT: Two Rhadamanthus class battleships, if they count.

[a_bert]

If you post all the countries you own, I'll be able to do it for you Ross

[Seraphi]

If you post all the countries you own, I'll be able to do it for you Ross

 

Iran

 

40% of America

 

Pakistan

 

The other country between Iran and India (Name escapes me)

 

 

 

I have finished the testing of the Atlas drones.

 

They are now in production in a few of my factories.

 

 

 

The shields they use can withstand a point blank shot from a high powered rifle, so you can't just charge straight at them and hope to win, or you'll get slaughtered by the pistols they fire through holes in the shields

[a_bert]

2009 GDP of Iran is 820 billion

 

 

 

GDP growth 6.5%, real GDP growth (2008 est.)

 

note: 6.2% growth for 2009 projected

 

 

 

So 6% growth for 3 years, 4% for 5, 3% for 10, and 2.3% for 10, and 1.8% for final 10

 

 

 

Giving a final GDP of 2.396 trillion

 

 

 

20% of that is 476 billion

 

 

 

20% of that is 95 billion

 

 

 

2009 GDP of Pakistan is 439 billion

 

 

 

GDP growth 5.8% (2008 est.)

 

 

 

Growth of 5.5% for 4 years, 4% for 3, 3.8% for 1 year, 3.3% for 5, 2.4% for 15, 1.9% for 10

 

 

 

Giving a final GDP of 1.286 trillion

 

 

 

20% of that is 257 billion

 

 

 

20% of that is 51 billion

 

 

 

2009 GDP of Afghanistan is 12 billion

 

 

 

GDP growth 3.5% (2008 est.), 9.0% (2009 forecast)

 

 

 

9% growth for 2 years, 6% for 5 years, 4% for 6 years, 3% for 10 years, 2.7% for 5 years, 2% for 10 years

 

 

 

Giving a final GDP of 45 billion

 

 

 

10% of that is 4.5 billion

 

 

 

20% of that is 90 million

 

 

 

The 40% of the USA that you own is the weaker half, I think, so we'll call it 25% of America's 2009 GDP

 

 

 

GDP $14.441 trillion (2008)[1]

 

 

 

25% of this is 3.6 trillion

 

 

 

GDP growth 0.4% (2008)

 

-3.9% (Q2 2008-Q2 2009)[

 

 

 

-1% growth for 6 years, then 1.4% growth for 4 years, 2% growth for 8 years, 1.8% growth for 10 years, and then 2% growth for another 10 years

 

 

 

Giving a final GDP of 6.1 trillion

 

 

 

20% of that is 1.2 trillion

 

 

 

20% of that is 244 billion

 

 

 

Giving you final "spending" money of 390 billion, and a wonderful 90 million to spend on your second home. hurr.

 

 

 

[i think?]

[Seraphi]

390 billion is pretty nice.

 

Plenty of money to develop new ways to kill people.

 

And space exploration I guess.

 

 

 

Thanks Dungeon

[Hedgehog]

Why did everyone assume my fleet was spread all over the Baltic? I said several times that it was concentrated at the entrance to the Baltic so Dungeonal couldn't even enter. Like right between Denmark and Sweden. I think I said like 70% of my Baltic force was over there. Thats completely different than having my navy spread thin.

 

And Dungeonal can't even get 280,000 men into Ivalo. That's [developmentally delayed]ed. How did he get even half that many people into Ivalo? His country is half the world away, he can't simply just fly them there. He can't boat them there. He doesn't have the power to sub them there. And they certainly can't walk there.

 

 

 

The numbers were fairly off, so I demand that we replay the scenario, except with more accurate information.

[a_bert]

Why did everyone assume my fleet was spread all over the Baltic? I said several times that it was concentrated at the entrance to the Baltic so Dungeonal couldn't even enter. Like right between Denmark and Sweden. I think I said like 70% of my Baltic force was over there. Thats completely different than having my navy spread thin.

 

And Dungeonal can't even get 280,000 men into Ivalo. That's [developmentally delayed]. How did he get even half that many people into Ivalo? His country is half the world away, he can't simply just fly them there. He can't boat them there. He doesn't have the power to sub them there. And they certainly can't walk there.

 

 

 

The numbers were fairly off, so I demand that we replay the scenario, except with more accurate information.

 

 

 

i can't be bothered anymore

 

 

 

you rage too hard

 

 

 

war>

 

 

 

[The irony of this is BRILLIANT.]

[Wisp]

That's all good for ross's numbers, except for the US. Ignore all numbers for the US, since it was destroyed, and none of the gdp carries over. Whatever Ross has put there is subtracted from his other countries, so it would even out.

[Seraphi]

Ah yeah, I forgot about that.

 

 

 

I move more Aetherians into the US and send out mass propoganda telling people to reproduce, hopefully repopulating the US in a matter of about 20 years.

 

 

 

Doom, have you finished with that specialised set of drone weaponry?

[Wisp]

The population of the areas you have in the US was about 100 million, so if you sent ten million to repopulate, and 2 of them have a kid every year, you'd end up 10 million old people, like 10 million teenagers, and 80 million kids. That's not very sustainable, especially since the parents would have 20 kids each. I would stretch that time out a good amount more.

[The Dark Lord]

To be honest, I don't even have a clue how many naval facilities I have. :lol:

 

 

 

I can probably assume I have at least 3, considering I have the former Republic of Ireland, Great Britain, and Canada.

 

 

 

Assuming I have three naval production facilities would mean that I would produce ~6 destroyers a year, which isn't that bad.

 

 

 

It would be awesome if someone could look that up for me, since I have a hard time finding out that kind of stuff.

[Seraphi]

Okay, is 40 years long enough?

 

 

 

Mass production has begun on Atlas drones

 

They interlock on each other to form an essentially solid, 7 foot high wall. With guns.

 

That should help a ton if I'm ever in a defensive situation.

[a_bert]

Update for The Solomon Islands:

 

 

 

Tourism, particularly diving, is an important service industry for Solomon Islands. Growth in that industry is hampered, however, by lack of infrastructure, transportation limitations and security concerns.

 

 

 

We're going to invest back 40 million of the spare money the Solomon Islands produces to improve infrastructure and public transport.

 

 

 

Another 10 million will go on new schools.

 

 

 

The final 36 million will be invested in indigenous companies.

 

 

 

This is projected to increase GDP by up to 6% for the next 5 years [Added onto existing improvements from the base GDP? if not, 4%]

 

 

 

Update for the Philippines:

 

 

 

Important sectors of the Philippine economy include agriculture and industry, particularly food processing, textiles and garments, and electronics and automobile parts. Mining also has great potential in the Philippines, which possesses significant reserves of chromite, nickel, and copper. Recent natural gas finds off the islands of Palawan add to the country's substantial geothermal, hydro, and coal energy reserves.

 

 

 

The Philippines produces a spare 1 billion a year. We're going to use 100 million on the mining industry, 100 million on the renewable energy industry.

 

 

 

Education in the Philippines is mostly Westernized, based on the American education system. Philippine DepEd reports a functional literacy rate of 84.1% for 2003.

 

 

 

50 million will go towards Education, specifically gearing on getting the literacy rate up to 98%. We expect this goal to be achieved within 15 years.

 

 

 

The remaining 750 million will be spent on the building of military factories (5?), and then using money from the rest of the empire production will begin on the stealth bombers and guns I talked about a few pages ago. I'm going to guess that if I use 4 of these factories to produce this gun, then say it takes 5 hours to make in the production line, so that's 2 cycles per day, with probably around 3000 guns in each cycle, in 3 factories. I.e. 24000 a day, or, 6.24 million a year. Seems reasonable? Maybe cut it down a bit. I don't know how much one of these would cost, around 80$? So the cost would be 4992 million for the year, or 5 billion.

 

 

 

The gun will be called an XTF_4000.

 

 

 

Rough image:

 

 

 

 

Range is 400m, muzzle velocity of 3,800 ft/s, rate of fire is 600 rpm, weighs 6 pounds when loaded.

 

 

 

Will jam permanently after firing around 12000 rounds, with a 50% chance to jam at 7000 rounds.

 

 

 

Seems fair? [Also, I mainly drew the pic for the lols]

 

 

 

@Sere, a naval dock should have the facilities to make at least 2 ships at a time. I'd say that you have at least 6, but probably no more than 10.

[The Dark Lord]

I will go ahead and say that I produce 12 destroyers a year, considering that's basically all I'm willing to spend on them in a year.

 

 

 

By the way Dungeon, about how many people do I have fit for military service in Britannia?

[Furah]

Dungeonal, since we're such good friends, can you do me too? I only own Australia.

[a_bert]

I'll do them both, one sec;

 

 

 

GDP for Australia;

 

 

 

GDP US$824.9 billion (2008)

 

GDP growth 0.4% - Q1 2009

 

 

 

Let's say there's a small growth of 0.8 for the first 8 years, then due to infrastructure improvements being completed a growth of 1.6% for 12 years, 1.8% for 8 years and 2.4% for 10 years.

 

 

 

Giving a final GDP of 1.5 trillion

 

 

 

20% of that is 311 billion

 

 

 

20% of that is 62 billion spare change.

 

 

 

---

 

 

 

Projections for Britannia

 

 

 

Current(ish) population of Britannia:

 

Britain: 61,113,205

 

Canada: 33,770,000

 

Ireland: 4,422,100

 

 

 

Total of 99,305,000

 

 

 

Projections for UK's 2050 population are 63,977,000

 

Canada : 41,136,000

 

Ireland: 5,396,000

 

 

 

Total of 110,509,000. We'll say that due to extremely awesome government, this is pushed up to 115 million.

 

 

 

2009 stats:

 

 

 

Canada:

 

Fit for

 

military service 6,646,281 males, age 1660,

 

6,417,924 females, age 1660

 

 

 

(Total of around 13 million)

 

Britain:

 

Fit for

 

military service 12,046,268 males, age 1549,

 

11,555,893 females, age 1549

 

 

 

Total of 23.5 million

 

 

 

Ireland:

 

Fit for

 

military service 814,768 males, age 1549,

 

813,981 (2005 est.) females, age 1549

 

 

 

Total of 1.6 million

 

 

 

Total fit in 2009: 38.1 million (Just over 33% of your population)

 

 

 

With an increase of population by around 15 million, that probably gives you an extra 6.5 million people fit for military service.

 

 

 

Thus, in 2050~ your population fit for military service should be around 45 million.

 

 

 

(I think you realise that's pretty much who your labour force is, so you can't call them all up)

[The Dark Lord]

Yeah, I know. I currently have a military of 10,000,000 trained individuals, but even then, they aren't all full-time. They just live their normal civilian lives and report for training every 4-6 months or so. I just alternate them out. When one group gets back from training, another group reports for training. It keeps the labour force from going ka-put. It also helps reduce the obesity rates as well.

 

 

 

I just needed to know the number of people that were fit for military service so I could have an idea how many extra people I could draft during emergency situations.

 

 

 

By the way, we have 12 brand-new destroyers added to our navy! \

[ThurinEthir]

Yes, penguin, open borders is fine

 

Cool.

 

 

 

SUCCESS! I think I found the latest map, will update it

 

 

 

[map]

 

 

 

Dusty said he hadn't included Armenia and Azerbaijan under Russia's control but I checked them against maps I found and I'm sure it's shown they're Russian states.

 

Added India

 

Added Nepal (I think it's to the right person :P)

 

Changed Malawi to Lux [i don't know if the border is all that correct though..]

 

And cooler. (yep, you got Nepal right)

 

I'll work on the Pacific islands later (do you only have the Solomon Islands, or did you take any others?), as well as a few other minor fixes I suppose.

 

 

 

I think I messed up when calculating my GDP, mainly with the growth rates. Is there a good way to estimate future GDP growth rates, or should I simply gradually decrease it (or increase, if reasonable?) every few years?

 

Building schools, hospitals and roads all over Nepal and Bhutan, even in the remote mountainous areas. I'm not conscripting any males from those areas yet, but instead strongly recommending them to help with these projects. (for which they're paid, by the way - huzzah, opening up new jobs and lowering the unemployment rate)

 

I'm trying to grow a focus on education in those countries, hoping to boost literacy rates to at least 80% (only 50-60% now).

 

Also sending some technicians to look into ways to work on internet and cell phone services.

 

It seems like the people of Bhutan were already extremely happy (in reality, some sources say they're in the top 10% of the world :-s ), so I'm more or less letting them live their old lives.

 

As for Samoa and Tonga, my main goal right now is to improve tourism. People love tropical islands...

 

I don't feel like calculating my exact army, both for privacy reasons and because I'm too lazy. I'm conscripting in Samoa, Tonga and Brunei, and will start in Nepal and Bhutan once I get that infrastructure set up. Conscription is following the same format it does in Taiwan.