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[Wisp]

Ok, here's what apparently happened. All of Russia, minus 2 million people pledged allegiance to the country they've been at odds with for the entire game. And before you say only western Russia did, look at a population density map. All of Russia's population is there practically.

How about a real war?

[a_bert]

Ross asked for someone to act as a war judge, it was ignored. None of us were against a real war, we were against Dusty trying to get a default win.

 

I haven't commented on this anti-war-league-thing, but I don't think it makes the most sense in the world. I never expected to take Russia in a bloodless diplomatical triumph.

[Hedgehog]

I give up, this game is pointless to play. Hopefully the Kingdom thread will be better, and we won't have some super-mega whiny alliance that can't see reason at all.

 

To prevent the inevitable grab for my lands that Sere will put forth, every single part of the Federation (including Russia) will go to Indy.

I was going to celebrate, then I realized this thread is stupid and that you're right.

[archimage_a]

Who is going to fight this 'real war' ?

Dusty has said that he is not playing any more. If he wants to come back then I am happy to negotiate on the premise of a civil war, but otherwise there is little I can do.

So it would be the forces of Norway verses the Forces of Asia Major and Britain.

 

I haven't commented on this anti-war-league-thing, but I don't think it makes the most sense in the world. I never expected to take Russia in a bloodless diplomatical triumph.

Indeed I agree. Just went for this idea to see what my limits were in so far as the neutral player.

[Wisp]

Well, given that Norway is my ally I'll be in any war. And I can't war judge since my forces are moving into Russia from the south (not to capture the land, but prevent it's capture at all)

[The Dark Lord]

I guess Archimage could be a war judge for us, since practically nobody that's active will be neutral now.

[Wisp]

Brazilian navy deployed to form it's standard bi-continental perimeter.

[The_Mather1]

I just noticed one thing...

So how many of you guys read page two of the article that was used to give "solid ground" for warp travell? ...Thought so.

...it was mentioned that the ammounts required to power a warp-drive would be astronomical, making a stargate look like it could be powered by a hand-generator in comparison, far beyond what we would be able to generate in even thousands of years from now. Wouldn't this actually make it too improbable for us to use.

 

Need evidence?

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/07/28/warp-speed-engine-02.html

[Seraphi]

Stop trying to screw with the damn system just because you want stargate stuff Mather.

[Wisp]

Mather, I still have yet to figure out how you calculated the amount of energy needed for one of your warp holes.

[The_Mather1]

Stop trying to screw with the damn system just because you want stargate stuff Mather.

There I did not request stargates, I merely compared it to them. I just pointed out a huge fault according to the main part of this "game"; keeping it plausible, 10⁴⁵+ joule just doesn't even seem like something even twenty dyson spheres could harvest.

 

And Doom, no need to strain yourself, I have done the math on an excel document, just change any variable you'd like(like speed of light, size, value of pi):

http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/71193/Stargate_energy_req..xlsx

[archimage_a]

Oh but the point is that Nquadah doesn't exist where as Warp Drives could exist.

Further Star gate actively undermines the laws of physics by creating generators that are 130% efficient, where as Warp is inside the laws of Physics entirely.

So, basically...You need to get over this thing because Star Gate is not based in Physics where as Star Trek, largely, is.

 

But if you want some cool sounding Physics....

Warp drives(These ones anyway) work on the principle of refractive gravity. As you know gravity exists in all parts of the universe but in very small amounts because of distance from the source. What a warp drive does is turns the ship into a metaphorical ice cube which can then 'slide' towards the desired gravity source. The reason it takes so long to speed up and slow down is that the 'Ice Cube' is drawn towards all of the sources of gravity simultaneously and so it takes a twenty seconds of engine power to push the ship in the right direction. However they are moving at relativistic velocity and so for the rest of the universe it takes 1 year. When they come to slow down it is simply a case of synchronizing with normal time again otherwise generating a fourth dimension(Time) event, rendering the entire ship in temporal phase with the universe. A ship could come back from temporal phase but would need to jump to warp to do so, which it cannot do since the gravity acting on it is so small because the stars are not in temporal sync with it, only small amounts of splash over caused by Temporal Mass Particles being created by the decay of Higgs Bosons at the start of the big bang and the end of the universe. If a ship was ever able to jump to warp it would come out at one of these two times, and thus be destroyed by the cataclysmic energies.

 

Any questions? No? Oh wait, yes, the energy consumption...

Well quite simply it is very low. Why is it very low, well that is simple, the drive does very little, all it does is tap into the spacial dimension (The fifth for anyone wondering) like a train slotting into train tracks. Further the ship, which, while moving at relativistic speeds, experiences a time dilation effect, slowing the relative speed of light to near 0, thus E=mc2 is now equal, for a 100 gram pinapple, to E=(100*0.00001)2=0.001 Joules. So, scaling that up 1 Tonne is equal to 1 Joule, which is easily within the generational capacity of any normal ship.

 

 

All of this without screwing up the laws of physics I hear you say, well its true. The warp drive is like an electric train... most of the energy is provided by the track itself.

 

 

Application to be War Judge of the Future.

Now then I am presently making a slightly different World map to aid me in judging so I will ask people to fill in a copy with their defensive mights and PM it to me.

I hereby promise to never invade another system or planet except if it is uninhabited. I do not promise not to raid ships. =D But I do promise never to enter the Sol(Earth's) System. I also promise, if ever called on to be the 'neutral' nation, not to fight an offensive war, except to regain the territory of that nation. If this nation(somehow) manages to survive the war then it will remain neutral until someone wants to pick up the gauntlet... is that fair?

[The Dark Lord]

Sounds good to me. I'll go ahead and work on the defensive stuff since it gives me something to do, but you probably won't have it until sometime tomorrow, considering that Dungeonal knows more about his defences.

[The_Mather1]

The "material used" in the gate-energy calculation was not naquadah, it was a normal superconductive material, change the Ohm value to that of silver, copper or tungsten if you'd like but I doubt it will pass the energy requirement of a warp-drive.

What the scientists were able to estimate was the amount of energy necessary, if the technology was available, to change these dimensions: about 10^45 joules.

 

"That's about the amount of energy you'd get if you converted the entire mass of Jupiter into pure energy via E = mc^2," said Cleaver, an energy far beyond anything humanity can currently envision creating.

 

While the challenges to creating a warp drive are quite formidable, the concept is intriguing, says Tufts University theoretical physicist Lawrence Ford.

 

"If there are extra dimensions and we could manipulate them, that would open up all sorts of exciting possibilities," said Ford.

 

"I don't see this leading immediately to a warp drive, but I could see it leading to other interesting possibilities in basic scientific research," said Ford.

 

Cleaver agrees that the creation of a real warp drive is still far away.

 

"Warp drive isn't doable now, and probably won't be for the next several millenia," said Cleaver.

 

And two more things, 1. Stargates does not create anything unatural like the warp-drives do, but it generates and sustains artificial wormholes.

 

2. StarGate SG-1, StarGate Atlantis, and StarGate Universe all are made in a way that allow every part and tech(with a fewexeptions) to be plausible or even possible within the normal physical laws.

[archimage_a]

There is only one answer to that:

When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in 0 gravity. To combat this problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, under water, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300C. The Russians used a pencil.

 

Lets be realists, scientists tend to know squat about what the future will hold. In 1950 they claimed that robots were, at most, 10 years away, they also claimed that Y2K would kill us all and that Nuclear Weapons would end all war.

The truth may be out there, but it certainly isn't in there....

[Grim_]

Okay then well I am simply deploying my navy in a defensive position around my country and priming all ion cannons.

[Wisp]

There is only one answer to that:

When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in 0 gravity. To combat this problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, under water, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300C. The Russians used a pencil.

 

Lets be realists, scientists tend to know squat about what the future will hold. In 1950 they claimed that robots were, at most, 10 years away, they also claimed that Y2K would kill us all and that Nuclear Weapons would end all war.

The truth may be out there, but it certainly isn't in there....

And there's only one answer to that.

http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

 

Mather, we decided to break realism in a way that would keep the game still fair, without breaking physics too much. Live with it.

[archimage_a]

Haha, knew it was too good to be true, but you get the point, Star Gates are far too complex, in the terms of game mechanics, compared with warp drives.

 

Though I would say a more flexible system should be introduced...Maybe 1 day for trips under 10 light years, 2 days for trips under 20 light years, 3 days for trips under 30 light years, 4 days for -40 light years and 5 for over 40. At the moment it is between 2 and 3 days for crossing relatively short distances AND relatively massive distances.

 

I still think my sliding theory would be a good way to bring it in... and we could use the pen example... it was developed by someone outside of any government and freely available to use... Lets call in Linarps. You can still use normal warp though. Yes no?

[Retech]

Fine by me!

 

I just want to colonize those two planets! With this system, I get my transports. :)

[Retech]

Current Changes to the Lichtes since making contact with humans:

 

Research:

Basalt Sea Floor mining (0/5)

Volcanic Vent Power Stations (0/5)

Financial Products (0/5)

Basic Warp Drives (1/5) (Bonus from Reverse Engineered transports)

 

Classified Research:

MDU (MORE INFORMATION FORTHCOMING) (?/?)

 

Private Corporation Research:

Genetic Kelp Engineering (0/10)

Biological Studies of foreign organisms (ONGOING)

 

Government changes:

 

Gold Standard adopted as National Currency

Lichtes and Kelp National Bank opened

Magistrate of Commerce has been fired for speaking in first person.

Widesweeping taxes cause resentment among populace

A new birth program has been instituted (every individual must produce one male heir every 5 years to raise for themselves, 1 year to give to the government, or 1 female heir.2,

2,000,000 recorded births < record high

500,000 recorded deaths < lowest since end of the war

[Retech]

*rumble rumble*

 

The sound of distant thunder far away was loud enough to wake the citizens of Lichtes. Except that they are already awake, cheering the procession as they follow with their flags and photo recorders. The Lichtes Queen, who rarely spoke in public, sat in the front. She activated the voice amplifier and began to speak.

 

"Today is a great day for all of Lichtes, for soon we shall become an empire."

 

The crowd stood there, puzzled. The procession continued down the lane and disappeared around the corner. No one understood what she meant, including the spy of the human nations that had planted himself there. However, the informant knew there was trouble. He raced through the tangle of streets to tell his superiors on Earth, an invasion might be coming.

 

Meanwhile, the experimental warp drive roared and sputtered along as it reached the atmostphere, and headed towards the Sol star system. It sent out an almost telepathic message as it traveled along.

 

"The seas belong to those who live in it. For far too long have you polluted our oceans and trashed our lakes. Cease and you will be spared. We have no need for the land, but seas.. no matter where they inhabit, are our domain."

[Wisp]

*rumble rumble*

 

The sound of distant thunder far away was loud enough to wake the citizens of Lichtes. Except that they are already awake, cheering the procession as they follow with their flags and photo recorders. The Lichtes Queen, who rarely spoke in public, sat in the front. She activated the voice amplifier and began to speak.

 

"Today is a great day for all of Lichtes, for soon we shall become an empire."

 

The crowd stood there, puzzled. The procession continued down the lane and disappeared around the corner. No one understood what she meant, including the spy of the human nations that had planted himself there. However, the informant knew there was trouble. He raced through the tangle of streets to tell his superiors on Earth, an invasion might be coming.

 

Meanwhile, the experimental warp drive roared and sputtered along as it reached the atmostphere, and headed towards the Sol star system. It sent out an almost telepathic message as it traveled along.

 

"The seas belong to those who live in it. For far too long have you polluted our oceans and trashed our lakes. Cease and you will be spared. We have no need for the land, but seas.. no matter where they inhabit, are our domain."

Go into Brazilian controlled waters (See: All around the americas.) and things will not go well for you.

[Retech]

Well, maybe you won't be able to stop what will happen. :)

 

You will find out when it reaches Sol.

 

Note: This is not a biological super weapon.

[archimage_a]

Dear Queen of the Lichtes

 

We request and demand special dispensation to continue living on Neptune, a planet within our system which is 90% water. While we would offer you accommodation on this planet it is covered entirely with Water Fruit, making it uninhabitable to sea species. The other planets in our solar system are not to your taste and so we believe that beginning a war with us over this matter would not be sensible, as I am sure you already know.

 

Leader of the System of Free Worlds, Anti-War League and your friend,

Ernest Winthrope

[Retech]

To the Foreign powers involved,

 

Earth's waters has a wide variety of kelp and other life suited for farming.

We are not invading the land that you so cherish, our intention is underwater. We are just colonising the oceans of Earth. Why would I attack you? You're our first and only ally.

 

Signed,

The New Magistrate of Commerce